The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - Candid Analysis

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  • @AnthonyJohnson-yo8xy
    @AnthonyJohnson-yo8xy 6 місяців тому +3

    Just my opinion on your points on the Stormcloaks.
    They aren't obsessed with race, it is made pretty clear they're cause is dedicated to religion in regards to the Empire outlawing Talos worship and allowing Thalmor operatives to abduct and murder Nords at will as well as the Empire's cultural creep on the country with the Imperial patheon replacing the Nordic pantheon, Imperial law replacing Nordic law and economic power like the east empire company further gaining power. It is even said as well that the Emperor hand picks the High King. If you read Cicero's journal, you will learn that Cyrodil and High Rock are both struggling under Imperial rule with Corsairs raiding the city of Wayrest, Bravil becoming a war zone between drug lords and Cheydinhal erupting into violence. The Empire has since it's inception been unstable having constant civil wars and succession crisis's. Listen to the intro of Daggerfall - ua-cam.com/video/A0WQ4cxDf74/v-deo.html
    Why should the Nords want to be a part of that?
    The only 3 npcs in Windhelm that openly discriminate against Dark Elves are Rolf, Angrenor and the Inn owner (which is just directed at the player character). For Angrenor he was an ex Stormcloak soldier who was maimed and effectively lost everything for the cause. He never has any other prejudiced encounter with Dark Elves and has nothing negative to say to a Dark Elf player character and can even marry them. In the other Stormcloak holds, there is little if any racial prejudice. The Dark Elf's living area being a "slum" is not concrete evidence of racial prejudice either. The gray quarter was formed rapidly out of a mass influx of refugees from them fleeing Morrowind after the red mountain explosion and Argonian invasions which the Windhelm Dark Elf population comes from, it makes obvious sense why they are less wealthy than the Nordic population. It should be mentioned too that Nords gave the Dark Elves the entire island of Solsteim, allowed them to build a statue to one of their Gods and allowed Dunmer in Windhelm tax exemptions - en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Decree_of_Monument. Also it should be mentioned too that the war with the Argonians is over, the country has relative stability under House Rederon and Vvardenfell is actively being resettled - elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Balmora#Fourth_Era
    Why aren't the Dunmer refugees returning from a war torn Skyrim where they are supposedly mass discriminated against?
    For your point about the Stormcloaks not being prejudiced against a High Elf Dragonborn, you ignore that there are 2 High Elf vendors in Windhelm who have a high status (what's funny too is that High Elves outright set up a crime gang in Eastmarch), in fact one of as well as a Dark Elf farmer who has a positive opinion of the Nords. For the reason why they would recruit a High Elf Dragonborn, pragmatism, Ulfric needs all the soldiers they can get especially one like the Dragonborn who Ulfric would recognize from Helgen. There are random encounters too of the player encountering Redguards traveling to Windhelm to join the fight.
    On that point about pragmatism and brunwulf's point about Ulfric not sending forces after Khajitt caravans or Dark Elf refugees. Ulfric has limited resources, the city guard during the butcher quest outright say they do not have the forces to patrol the city. Dark Elves and Argonians explicitly say they do not partake in the war because they view it as not their fight. Khajiit caravans are in Skyrim solely to profit from horrors of the civil war. Why should Ulfric with his limited and ever decreasing resources help them as opposed to Nord farmers and villagers who contribute food and soldiers to his cause? brunwulf is not in that position of power and doesn't have to face those decisions. He is also an Imperial sympathizer and eventual collaborator, his opinion on Ulfric's policies is going to be massively biased.
    In regards to Argonians not being allowed into Windhelm, that possibly is too an extent motivated by racial bias/prejudice (however is contradicted by an Argonian Dragonborn being let in, perhaps it only apply's to the dock workers?). However there is a logical reason for it, the Dunmer population in Windhelm being direct refugees from the war are probably going to have massive bitterness towards Argonians for the invasion this could potentially lead to clashes. For an example IRL, in the city of Leicester in the UK, there was massive unrest in 2022 between Indians and Pakistanis. In Windhelm with the city guard not having the resources to fully control the city, what's to say (at least from Ulfric/the government's POV) there wouldn't be massive clashes that would harm Ulfric's legitimacy as Jarl and cause economic damage that he couldn't afford during the civil war? brunwulf doesn't even let Argonians in likely for the same reasons (although he does try to blame Nords for it which is a pretty interesting mirror to something IRL that isn't relevant to the topic).
    The only real solid case you could make for Ulfric/the Stormcloaks being racially prejudiced is in regards to the Reachmen however that situation is extremely complex and nuanced. The Forsworn do not do themselves any favours by being Daedra worshipers and militant terrorists who attack the player character and innocent civilians on sight.

    • @alchemistalkor5167
      @alchemistalkor5167  6 місяців тому

      👏👏👏👏 My friend, thank you so much for taking the time to write this comment. I always love learning more about The Elder Scrolls lore, and you are clearly well-versed in it. Perhaps the sentence "Obsessed with race" is a wrong term in this context. Clearly, the situation is more complex. After all, the civil war in Skyrim is much more than just "Skyrim for the Nords," and I just want to emphasize that in no way was I trying to say that the Stormcloaks are worse than the Empire for that reason. I always thought that the three NPCs that discriminate in Windhelm are placed there as a representation that there are racial tensions in the city. Even Suvaris Atherion (the dark elf that gets bullied when you first enter the city) says to the player, "Windhelm's a haven of prejudice and narrow thinking, unworthy of one such as you," so after hearing and witnessing such an event, I think it is easy to conclude that there is a concerning amount of racist views among the population of Windhelm.
      As for your point about the caravans, I guess you made a good point on that one. However, is Ulfric motivated by the logistics of war or by racism? I don't think we can say for sure. On the other hand, I do think it's weird that Ulfric would recruit a high elf, but not because I think he is racist. It just seems strange that some random high elf he only saw once before now wants to join their war cause. For me, it would seem like a security concern, as a person like that might as well be a Thalmor spy.
      While I do believe that prejudice is a big part of the Stormcloaks, I do not think they want to outright cleanse the north of all races, more like they want to call the shots. That's why the two high elf vendors are tolerated in the city. Expelling people who are integral to your economy just doesn't make sense (no matter what race they are). At the end of the day, any piece of art is subjective, so I think there is enough weight for both sides of the argument. There are a lot of points in your comment that made me think about statements, so perhaps I should rethink some of my arguments. Again, thanks so much for dropping by and writing this comment. I hope you are having a great day. 👏👏👏👏

    • @AnthonyJohnson-yo8xy
      @AnthonyJohnson-yo8xy 6 місяців тому

      @@alchemistalkor5167 Thank You for reading and understanding my points. It could be possible as well that the disdain from npcs like Angrenor is towards the Dark Elf population of Windhelm and not the race as a whole. Like I mentioned the Dark Elf refugees were given Solsteim, tax exemptions and an entire quarter of the city yet they refuse to help Ulfric's cause (not saying they are obliged too) which to someone like Angrenor who was severely wounded and lost almost everything for Ulfric's cause would come across as a betrayal. Windhelm is the only city that had to deal with a significant refugee influx, afaik the Imperial aligned holds did nothing to help ease the burden. Morrowind and Skyrim have also had significant tensions throughout the lore of the series with numerous wars and clashes for thousands of years.
      On the point about Ulfric being concerned over security regarding a High Elf joining. I think the initiation quest for the Stormcloaks where the player is sent to the freezing far North to kill a dangerous legendary creature is a kinda loyalty test as well as that Ulfric has a semi personal relationship with the player from being with them at Helgen and witnessing the Legion sentence them to death for absolutely nothing. What's funny too is that the player can backstab Ulfric at the first go by turning the Jagged Crown over to the Legion.
      As a final question, do you think Ulfric/the Nords are the villains of the Markarth incident and the entire Forsworn crisis? I do find it kinda strange how rarely it is brought up in the argument that Ulfric is racially prejudiced compared to the Dark Elves and Argonians in Windhelm.

    • @alchemistalkor5167
      @alchemistalkor5167  6 місяців тому

      @@AnthonyJohnson-yo8xy Yeah, I guess it kinda makes sense when you put it that way, but you also have to understand how the Gray Quarter is just a rundown section of the city. When talking to Malthyr Elenil, he calls it an impoverished slum, so in many ways, Dunmers getting their own district of the city seems more like racial segregation than an act of kindness. I understand the refugee crisis, but it seems like the treatment of Dark Elves in particular shows some amount of discrimination.
      On the topic of you getting into the Stormcloak army as a High Elf, I wouldn't be completely against the idea that you can join them as a race that might not have motivation to do so. Like you said, Ulfric saw you almost getting killed by the Empire (meaning you probably don't have love for them) and you get the initiation quest, but I kinda feel that the game should have done more to emphasize how a High Elf was a major factor in helping them win a civil war. Which can be considered ironic when looking at the entire picture. So, just to emphasize, I do not think that the game should bar you off from joining the Stormcloaks if you are a particular race, but I wish there was more emphasis on this aspect of your character.
      The Markarth Incident? Oh dear, where to even start? I think it is widely accepted that Reachmen were not on the same social status as the Nords in the region that could be considered as their land, but I do not believe that their takeover of Markarth was a good thing. Igmund's action to retake the territory with the help of Ulfric was in some way justified, but the condition of restoring the Talos worship in the region as one of Ulfric's terms was foolish and ultimately led the Emperor into a lose-lose situation since he was practically forced to clamp down on the Talos worship in the region and even had to allow Thalmor Justiciars to conduct investigations in Skyrim. I understand why the Nords did what they did, but the overall situation is more of a gray area for me.This doesn't even cover the fact of how they murdered Forsworn after taking back the city or the supposed oppression of Nord civilians during Reachmen's takeover of Markarth. What is your opinion on this matter?

    • @AnthonyJohnson-yo8xy
      @AnthonyJohnson-yo8xy 6 місяців тому +1

      @@alchemistalkor5167 The Dunmer refugee crisis is relatively recent and under Ulfric's father and previous Jarls, the Dunmer were given tax exemptions so basically they were given economic support without being required to pay taxes. Skyrim has been riddled with crisis's like the Oblivion Crisis, Great War and the buildup to the civil war and now with the civil war , Ulfric simply wouldn't have the resources to renovate the quarter, any that he does have has to go to the war effort. When brunwulf becomes Jarl, he says there isn't the resources to renovate the quarter.
      I agree with your point on the Forsworn crisis. Bethesda did do a good job in letting you see both sides of the conflict as well as the conflicting POVs. I would disagree personally with the idea that the Forsworn have full right to the land, both the Nords and Bretons have been fighting for thousands of years for the Reach. The Forsworn also do not do their image any favours by being Daedra worshipers who attack anyone on site, even after the player rescues Madanach from the mines. Madanach himself also seems like a piece of shit as he actively collaborates with the Silver Bloods and murders anyone they ask them too like Margaret who had no part in the conflict.

    • @jacobkooster7348
      @jacobkooster7348 3 місяці тому

      Bro is a real life storm cloak

  • @leopika7280
    @leopika7280 6 місяців тому +6

    so glad seeing you back on yt 💪 lets go

    • @alchemistalkor5167
      @alchemistalkor5167  6 місяців тому

      It's good to be back, man. I hope you are having a great day!

  • @AyeThatsHandsomePete
    @AyeThatsHandsomePete 6 місяців тому +3

    Another banger, as usual.

  • @jorgizoran4340
    @jorgizoran4340 6 місяців тому +1

    It's likely the Emperor's death is kept under wraps by the Empire, perhaps with only Solitude guards hearing rumors off it.

  • @Secretsauce431
    @Secretsauce431 6 місяців тому

    Hell yeah, so excited to watch this. Your vids are top notch.

  • @navy3027
    @navy3027 6 місяців тому +1

    Hey man another great video glad to see youre back and putting out content of this quality!

    • @alchemistalkor5167
      @alchemistalkor5167  6 місяців тому +1

      Thanks, man. It's good to be back. Also, I appreciate your support. I Still remember you from that Boogie video.

  • @HulksterInHeaven
    @HulksterInHeaven 5 місяців тому

    53:40 this is sort of a 50/50 because it only works when talking to one of the guards wearing the other factions armour that they will mention you wearing it and then become hostile.

  • @Ducktor0102
    @Ducktor0102 6 місяців тому

    1:17 At some point during that boring day of high school, the time and date read 11;11;11 11/11/11

  • @jorgizoran4340
    @jorgizoran4340 6 місяців тому

    Astrid and the brotherhood learned off the sacrament through word of mouth and rumors. You're player character is also brand new to Riften and guards note you were seen leaving the orphanage.

  • @Stingeratus
    @Stingeratus 6 місяців тому

    Excellent new vid bruh.

  • @NotHumanHarry2000
    @NotHumanHarry2000 6 місяців тому

    Hey, you’re back! Sorry I thought you were done.

    • @alchemistalkor5167
      @alchemistalkor5167  6 місяців тому +2

      Nah, friend. I am still here. However, my upload schedule is really bad since these videos take a lot of time to make. So no worries, I am still alive and kicking!

  • @Rick-eo8vo
    @Rick-eo8vo 6 місяців тому

    Big Ups @Alchemist Alkor 😎👍

  • @Noid
    @Noid 6 місяців тому +1

    I love Oblivion, but the level scaling ruins that game. The most optimal strategy is to literally not level up past lvl 4 because they'll change the common NPCs and creatures to be so unbelievably spongy, that you choose to just run past all enenies in every dungeon. I don't think any Bethesda game has good scaling, not even the fallout games, especially 3. I still get ptsd from the lvl 30 mutants and reverent ghouls.

    • @alchemistalkor5167
      @alchemistalkor5167  6 місяців тому +1

      Yeah, level scaling is really bad. It's such a crippling aspect of most Bethesda games that you can't help but feel sorry for the missed opportunities. Also, just as you said, revenant ghouls are the reason I can't sleep at night. Anyways, I am glad to see you here again Noid. Hope you are well!

  • @jorgizoran4340
    @jorgizoran4340 6 місяців тому

    At the last level of regular Vampirism, NPCs do attack you on sight.

    • @alchemistalkor5167
      @alchemistalkor5167  6 місяців тому

      That is true. Some NPCs may become hostile at higher stages of vampirism, however, it doesn't apply universally across all characters or locations in the game. Therefore, relying solely on hunger level to trigger NPC aggression doesn't fully address the issue of inconsistency in NPC reactions to a vampire player character. That's in addition to the fact that your eyes consistently glow red, making it not so difficult to detect a vampire. I remember that the situation was different in the Vanilla version, but I can't recall the details anymore.

  • @jorgizoran4340
    @jorgizoran4340 6 місяців тому

    What do you think of the ability to pickpocket clothes and weapons off npcs at high levels?

    • @alchemistalkor5167
      @alchemistalkor5167  6 місяців тому

      At face value, it is definitely really stupid, but it is just one of those gameplay mechanics I am willing to accept. There is not much depth to pickpocketing in Skyrim, so elements like these are to be expected.

  • @IwatchTubiTrash
    @IwatchTubiTrash 6 місяців тому +1

    You ever watch the insanely long and detailed PatricianTV videos on breaking down Skyrim? If you have the interest (and patience) it's very much worth a watch.

    • @ПётрПавловский-щ1х
      @ПётрПавловский-щ1х 6 місяців тому

      patriciantv and his buttbuddy boyfriend private sessions? nosiree

    • @alchemistalkor5167
      @alchemistalkor5167  6 місяців тому +2

      Yes, I did watch a bit, but didn't find the time to finish it. Those videos are insane, and I can't imagine how much time it took for Patrician to make them. They're probably the best videos on Skyrim you can find on the internet.

  • @Undone007
    @Undone007 6 місяців тому

    Morrowind was so good. We'll never see a AAA game like that again. It will always be shallow, soulless. A product.

    • @alchemistalkor5167
      @alchemistalkor5167  6 місяців тому

      I didn't play Morrowind as much as Skyrim, but it's easy to see how superior that game is compared to every other Elder Scrolls title. It was a true RPG without the handholding we're forced to endure today.