“If feeling guilty was a sign that you’re secretly Christian that would make me the fucking pope” is a beautiful turn of phrase that will be rattling around my anxiety-ridden skull forever
That and “I kind of feel about prayer the same way I feel about herbal supplements; I think people should do whatever they want to make themselves feel good, but the second you start selling something, you need to be able to back up whatever claims you make.” Those lines slap.
Okay, but the line she improvised about how her teddy bear was sick "he's got ants in his bones" is 110% the kind of things kids come up with. The only realistic part of the movie.
Honestly that was the only part of the movie that felt like good writing because I was like if a kid was describing pains they didnt understand of course itd be like that
@sir-dame-sander reminds me of the BBC show Outnumbered, which had the kids improvise their parts off last-minute instructions. The youngest is a girl around that age (when the show starts, anyway), and you just know it *has* to be improvised because no one over the age of eight or so could possibly mimic her dialogue about making friends with her gnits. (At least, I *think* that was what the first conversation with her was about, but it's been a while since I watched the show, and conversations with five-year-olds can be kind of hard to follow in the first place.)
I know someone who did this. She had two kids, had her tubes tied then about ten years later there was an accident that sadly killed her youngest. She had the surgery reversed so.she could have another child very soon after.
I saw someone mention how the nurse violated patient privacy laws, but can we also bring attention to the fact that 1) Lucy is randomly in the adult wing to shoehorn her interacting with the convict, and 2) the hospital lets a pneumonia-riddled and highly contagious child walk around unsupervised?
Have you ever had an extended stay in a hospital? That stuff actually happens. I was in the hospital for a month one time, and I was bounced to 3 different wings before I finally made it to the appropriate space. At one point I was placed in the pediatric wing for a day or two because that was the only available bed, and they were playing musical chairs with dozens of other patients. After I was put in the proper wing, a convict with a 24 police detail was placed in the room next to mine. I don't remember what he was there for, but I do remember he wasn't in the proper wing. He was in the middle of his musical chair period. And they 100% would let super sick and possibly contagious people wander about. They would put brightly colored stickers on them to warn people. I had a sticker, as well. But mine said "Fall Risk". Mind you, this was long before covid. Hopefully they take way more precautions now than a fucking dayglow sticker.
@@dboone7670that sucks you were bounced around so much! The healthcare system is bonkers. Idk if you're in the US but it suuuuuucks. My brother was in the hospital as a child. Granted, he had cancer, but he couldn't wander that much due to being, you know, sick. Sometimes he could go have fun with his fellow cancer friends and their families. But he was often just too sick to have a ton of fun beyond playing video games and hanging out. His illness started like this kid's: a cold that wouldn't go away and just escalated until they said he had pneumonia. Then they finally found out he had masses in his lungs right before Christmas. 🙃 I just can't see this kid being so sick and in the hospital for this long without having something like cancer... Silly christian movies.
@@dboone7670 Hey friend that sounds like an awful experience and I’m sorry that happened to you. I’m very lucky to not have had an extended stay. My experiences are more on the side of medical neglect. Doesn’t seem like things have changed very much. From what I’ve heard hospitals aren’t taking any precautions against viral infections even as Covid continues to be a serious problem. I wouldn’t know though, as someone who is high risk I can’t safely go to the doctor because none of them mask or offer telehealth anymore where I live. A nurse actually scoffed at me for even asking. What a terrible country the US is! I guess that first comment was me being too idealistic.
u act like christians care about consent from women? u didnt see the sl@t shaming a 5 year old or whatever age girl/woman gets after r@pe also in usa child marriage is legal and u need only the parents permission to get married u dont need the kids consent in poland we learned in forced religion class the age of consent is 15 and 16 is age of marriage for women while 18 is for men my family and priests also tried to force me on tinder from age 15 cuz i wasnt chasing men since 12 and it was ''horrible and conserning and degenerate behaviour'' cuz i acted like a child and asexual like legit i had a intervention cuz i was a virgin and never was with a man or a relationship at 15 ....also remember christians think children are property and women forever property
The gold standard for little white girls in these movies is how much they are able to serve the needs and desires of other people, especially adult men. Also, they’re most “precious” while they’re still too young to be sexualized. That’s why everyone is perfectly happy to let her endanger her health and safety for the good of a random stranger. If she dies now, she gets to be permanently remembered as the perfect little angel.
38:00 Bart's a ghost. He died cleaning the hospital and didn't realize it. That's why he's stuck in a continual loop cleaning that one spot where he died.
Damn, that makes Lucy's "you'll see your wife again" so much darker 😂💀 what goate task does he have to complete in order to be released from his time loop?
I was apparently a sinister-ass kid when I was little, and honestly that just makes me like kid!me more. (Although I was not raised in a very religiously observant family, so my early understanding and practice of the religions I knew [Judaism and Catholicism, + some ancient Egyptian gods] was probably very off.)
Five year olds can't commit felonies. They're below the age of responsibility. Her complicit father on the other hand can ABSOLUTELY be charged with a felony.
Really? I always wondered what the lowest age of responsbility was especially when I would hear hypotheticals about how that age should be the legal voting age.
I didn't say that. I said that I've seen people argue that the legal voting age should be the lowest age that a child was tried as an adult. The point the poster was making was that children shouldn't arbitrarily be tried as adults when they're 14 because who would trust a 14 year old to make a wise voting choice? So why try them as an adult when we don't give them the same rights? I don't agree with making the voting age that low, I just understand where the person was coming from.@@mischr13
The hospital I work for gets inpatient admissions from a prison. It's actually a lot like what is portrayed in the movie. There's an officer with them 24/7, and I've heard of more issues from regular patients than from prisoners. They're generally extremely ill and just want to get better like any other person. Again, I've seen reports of horrible behavior from "law abiding citizens," but never anything about one of our prisoner patients.
Generally they don't want to hurt nurses in particular. They are the ones that show them kindness and they don't want to mess that up...which is really depressing if you think about it.
Yeah anecdotal obviously but I never had significant issues with my patients transferred from prisons. Also that nurse who disclosed homeboys info in the middle of the damn hallway needs to get written up or fired with the quickness
@@dww7094 out of all the things in this movie, that was the one that made me lose it. I couldn't believe they had her just casually telling a random man about someone else's health information. Like you can't have her do that and still try to portray her as a good nurse.
I work in a sleep lab (we test people to diagnose sleep disorders) and we occasionally get prisoners. The prisoners are always lovely. The guards that stay with them are the fucking worst.
The way that nurse completely disregarded HIPAA and told that dad all the man's medical info when he first asked. And not even for an expositional reason for the audience, since we already had a scene prior that told us all of that!
Those kind of Christians don't think any law or principle applies to them. They can proselytize in the public schools, they can do whatever they want, even though they would be SCREAMING if someone of another religion was allowed to do it to them. There's no entitlement like Christian entitlement.
I know! What the hell was that? People will ask me directly especially in a shared area *hey are they OK?' And I try to keep it suoer vague like 'yeh...yeh hey look a butterfly clip. Isn't that something?' Like literally NOTHING to even family members unless i get expressed permission. We do bee to bed hand overs and I make sure I ask if they're OK for me to handover in front of whoever is in the room. Even if it's a confirmed diagnosis It's still technically the doctors job to discuss that with them and give them the treatment plan.
My mum works in a hospital and the fire brigade has to come confirm the building is safe if a toaster sets off an alarm. They won't let an act of god or ghost go as one if those mysterious secret fires and leave the neonates in there connected to oxygen or whatever
I just want to say, them treating her visions as a miracle and not satanic is incredibly realistic. When I was about 8 or so, I was having PTSD flashbacks, and I had no idea what was going on (these were the representative kind of flashbacks where you relive the experience emotionally but you aren't directly reliving rhe events). And when I told my religious parents about it, I was told that I was having visions about the end of the world (which was of course coming soon), and that it was a good thing.
Oh my goodness, what a way to add to your trauma. As a kid I was so terrified of the end of the world, or just anything bad happening, that I developed long-term stomach issues. I hope you’re doing much better now!
right? nowhere near as extreme an example but i "saw" angels all the time at Lucy's age, under the right conditions. i learned two (2) years ago there's a name for those visual phenomena, and it's nothing so glamorous, it's frickin. visual snow syndrome XD from the time i was taught to speak i was groomed into praying etc by positive reinforcement. i have known kids who had hallucinations touted as messages from god, and had symptoms of chronic illness explained away as a "trial". it's literally so messed up.
Diffrent religion, but my mom believes in ghosts (she calls herself a spiritual Christian). Back when I lived with her (from 15 to 18), any time I saw stress hallucinations that depicted "people", my mom would insists I saw a ghost. She also desperately retold "stories" from my childhood about how I had "powers". Again, different religions, but it's really interesting and weird that so many religious parents will just ignore issues because it fits their religion
@@wilderwisdom On a similar note, I knew a guy who claimed to have visions and that he'd been possessed several times. He very clearly had epilepsy. Like, textbook. I didn't know how to put that into words as an indoctrinated 15 year old, but even back then I remember being more worried he needed to see a doctor than scared of the 'demons'. And I was a severely anxious and traumatized kid, I was fucking terrified of demons. Hope that dude eventually got help. There was an adult around the same time who told me he'd been attacked by demons and that he'd tried everything up to and including shooting them with an AK, but the only thing that made them fuck off was god. He was a vet who saw active duty. Again, even back then I knew what ptsd was. This man hallucinated demons and *shot an assault rifle* in his own home. He had six kids when I knew him.
"Honey, we talked about this, when Grandpa died, he became an undead bird monster that lives in the clouds." I screamed out laughing! Thank you for that!!!
One time when i was like 6, we got a wrong number phone call on the land line. After i hung up, i was struck with an intense sinking guilt, and went to discuss it with my grandmother. I thought i maybe should have used that opportunity to proselytize, and asked her if we should call them back and make sure they were saved. She told me yesbutnobutyesbutnobut yea I'll be here in the computer room with the door closed for the next 15 minutes. As the crazy kind of christian we were, she had to say yes, but i imagine she knew it was a fucked up weird thing to do from the outside, so it was only ok if a kid did it and she couldnt be held liable because it had to be an innocent child to not be weird. Thinking back on it now... i mean the way that felt is just one more tack to add to the trauma board, imma get there eventually 😂😂😂 But like. She kinda said no. But also guilted me into doing it. And it was very confusing. So i did what i thought was right. So on this whole. Kids giving out jesus pictures deal. I once called back a wrong number to ask them if they knew about jesus. And it was encouraged. I was called brave. They train their kids to use their cuteness to manipulate people. Dont buy into it.
My grandpa would sometimes give me and my cousins pamphlets about the sabbath (SDAs believe even if you’re Christian if you don’t go to church on Saturday ur still wrong) to hand out to strangers bc it’s much easier to say no to an old man than it is to a like 8 year old. The guilt tripping too around not wanting to participate in evangelizing and “spreading the gospel”
@@BabyJonkler right? Lmao. It's so funny you bring up the Saturday thing, because sometime in that same year i brought up that the sabbath was clearly supposed to be on Saturday. I was convinced that satan had orchestrated a brilliant conspiracy to trick us into doing the sabbath on sunday so even good christians would go to hell 😂
I would bet the reason you never find out why Edgar is in prison is because a discussion about WHAT he did would lead to a discussion about WHY he did it. If he was just a bad guy who did a bad thing the way he acts in the movie wouldn't make sense, but they definitely don't want to approach any of the systemic reasons a good person would do a bad thing so it's easiest to just let the audience fill in the blanks how they see fit. Especially considering that the target audience is already quite good at that.
I agree, especially because they'd also have to make it fit with the prisoner wanting to Die because of his actions. It would have to be a simple action, anyone even good people can do it, it'd make you want to die in your guilt, but it should probably not be too harsh because he is hanging out with a 5 year old. The only answer is a car crash where he was drunk and therefore responsible and someone died? But that's so played out and some people don't like drunk driving, so they might not believe the REDEMPTION! It's the go-to for "good Christian who is in jail", but it doesn't always work
def thinking this! it is so important for SO MANY REASONS but the biggest one to me is that ignoring/not giving his charges just makes it that convict=bad, unlovable person
This is grim, but I think that lady went into the conversation about organ donation thinking this poor little girl would likely die, and decided the best possible outcome would be to establish Lucy's intent to donate her kidney so that it would be easier for her parents to choose donation once she passed. I just don't think any medical professional would so strongly encourage a 5-year-old in precarious health to become a living donor. And the parents should definitely tell her she can't donate a kidney right now. Actually, their response makes me wonder if they've already been told offscreen that she's going to die. That would make the dad's lack of urgency in getting her back to her oxygen make slightly more sense as well, though taking her off it in the first place is still totally inexplicable unless he's completely given up hope of her surviving. Anyway, um, Merry Christmas?
Yeah that would make a lot of sense and be rather bittersweet (sick child dies but gives a second chance at life to someone that felt like nobody cared and like he didn’t deserve them caring anyway so even in such a tragedy she can do some good and help someone who desperately needs it) but man…. they sure could have been more clear about that Lmfao. I’m not at all against the concept, Jesus related or not, necessarily but man… that execution and having most of it literally just be…. mentioning Jesus, not really saying anything, just name dropping…. was quite…. weak. 😂 Could have been better if instead of the movie being mostly her slowly dying and ending with the guy getting the kidney they’d just had like the first chunk be her meeting and comforting and bonding with Edgar and showing him he is cared about and does matter until she dies and gives him the kidney and book and then have the rest show just what her doing that does. Like have the movie be more about the impact of that on everyone, both families. Maybe the families can grow a connection over it.
Ok we’ve been talking about the indiscretion of the hospital staff but can we talk about that CHAPLAIN? The lack of respect, the pressuring, and shaming is inappropriate behavior from a chaplain of any faith.
I’m not even 1/4 of the way through and oh my GOD the priest forcing this DYING MAN to take a fucking Bible made me so ANGRY holy shit. If that were me I’d tell him to gtfo and tell hospital security not to let him into my goddamn room wtf Edit: NOOOOOOOOO NOT THE NURSE BREAKING CONFIDENTIALITY 😭😭😭😭 PLEASEEE…. I’m literally a licensed patient care technician, my soul is SHRIVELING Edit 2: not the little girl with pneumonia being allowed to wander around unsupervised through the empty hospital halls (also btw the hospital halls are NEVER that empty) Edit 3: DID THEY PULL THE FIRE ALARM IN A HOSPITAL???? Oh my god that’s literally awful… that causes so much unnecessary panic, why would they do that
This comment reminds me of that joke about physics majors being unable to enjoy action movies anymore. Having any sort of knowledge about Hospital care must make watching this movie even more hellish
If Ghostpa can interact with the physical world to set off a fire alarm, surely he should also be able to do something that would create a distraction less disruptive for the rest of the hospital.
@@thes7274473 LITERALLY. There are clearly dying patients in this ward especially, a fire would cause so much panic. Panic that could possibly endanger the lives of said patients. Especially since real hospital hallways are a lot less empty than shown in the movie
I have been in a hospital maybe twice in my life for brief visits so my knowledge is limited to fiction and like,,,, common sense? All of these edits are things that registered as wtf moments just based on common sense. Like, when Lucy climed up on the guys bed I was mentally yelling "SHE HAS PNEUMONIA WHAT ARE YOU DOING" like it's so bad you don't even need health-care knowledge to realize it's bad
The second I heard that Edgar needed a kidney transplant, I knew he was going to get Lucy’s. This is absolutely bonkers in the (unfortunately) least surprising way
Hi, Willie, as a religiously traumatized individual, "Prince of Peace" is one of the the titles Jesus gets in the bible, and is used quite a lot in songs for singing in church, is very easy to rhyme with. But yes, Google won't really give you much context
Nah I was raised Catholic and we absolutely used Prince of Peace lol but I think it’s definitely one of those things you hear in sermons and not like, through cultural osmosis
Also traumatized Gonna start calling him Prince of Penis and start telling people it's really big because I saw it on a piece of toast or in the clouds
The name Lucy means "light" and the festival of St Lucy is celebrated on December 13th and traditionally involves a lot of candles. So they've gone in pretty heavy on the meaningful naming I kept expecting that guy who likes to play god/jesus to pop up as a janitor again
I knew when I saw the thumbnail had a little girl on it and the title said "Christian" that the little girl would end up dead by the end. These Christian movies always use the dirtiest tricks to make sweet old ladies like my mom cry so they keep telling their adult children who may have left the church about it and say things like, "It's so good, you're not gonna believe it," and then you watch it and it's just total tragedy porn.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think a kid with severe pneumonia that could kill them would be in that good enough shape in order to engage in these hijinks.
@@AgentPedestrianI mean, if you want to get technical, you can also have viral pneumonia. But it is a lung infection, not in the kidneys. I have no idea how it was bad enough to kill her if she can prance around the hospital looking so good (don't know why she was admitted in the first place if she looked so good, frankly). Best guess, the bacteria got into her bloodstream and she got septic, but then the bacteria would have definitely been in her kidneys and I don't see how the family could have donated them... And I've put way more thought into this than the screen writers did. Bring a doctor has ruined most medical shows, let alone movies like this that don't even try
Not a Christian movie, but The Bitch Who Stole Christmas is a Christmas movie starring approx one million drag queens and it's a trainwreck on purpose. Highly recommend, would love to see a Muse analysis on it tbh
Spoilers: Dude! How did you not realize Lucy was gonna die?!?!? I saw that crap coming as soon as Lucy was in a hospital. These kind of movies love a damn martyr.
When the movie started with ghost grandpa mentioning “why the good die young” I knew she was gonna die. I hate that phrase because I always view it as “only the young die good” because no one talks ill of dead children but they are more than willing to speak ill of late teens/early 20 something’s dying of drug addiction or homeless on the streets and so on.
I was about to comment that! Oh the “bad guy” needs an organ and the good guy is a sick little girl ? Smells like she bout to give it up for the cause of Jesus
this movie is really reminding me of a very particular attitude towards children that a lot of people have...... there's often an expectation for children to not only be constantly cheerful, optimistic, easy to be around, *always* in service of others, never complaining, and emotionally uncomplicated, but also somehow willing and able to engage with adults and their adult problems in order to make adults' lives easier. I feel like there are lots of people who want children to be a useful, idealized, utterly innocent emotional conduit, (and to be honest those people are often white/christians, as far I see it, though not always). that's pretty much what this whole movie is, right? "look at this perfect angel child who's never complained once and has endless positivity and love to offer to those around her, and how she teaches adults about life". I know that's not what this video is about but I couldn't ignore it and tbh it does make me feel a certain type of way
Agree. What the show is not a kid, but a little angel doll that looks like one. Kids get cranky, nasty and mean real fast when they are tired and / or sick.
Yeah there's big vibes of child exploitation normalization in this movie. I think there's some mild, implicit (probably accidental) misogyny in there, too. Lucy really gets objectified and used for her body (her kidney, and presumably her other organs too, since she died and they were already going to donate the one organ), as well as her would-be "cuteness," by the plot and apparently Christian-God Himself. She dies and gets to go to Heaven, where she'll stay innocent forever and never grow up into a woman who will leave her father and grandfather-ghost for some other man, like a husband (or worse, living in sin and embarrassing her father), or get old enough to substantively disagree with either man. Her parents don't have to deal with raising a real, complex female human to adulthood, they can just remember the angelic little girl version of her. And her parents get rewarded for raising her so well by getting a boy this time. Idk the bittersweet Christian "happy ending" of the little girl getting to go straight to Heaven before she's had a chance to grow up into a real person (not that little kids aren't real people, but), who has autonomy (makes choices for herself and has a mind of her own), just seems... gross. (Edit: organ donation is a great thing to do IRL, although I think a little kid as a kidney donor is a bad idea. The problem for me isn't organ donation itself, just the way it's handled in this movie. Anyway, in many US states you can sign up as a future organ donor when you apply for a new driver's license, or other forms of ID issued by the DMV. I'm pretty sure I'm still signed up as one, and I hope other people consider signing up too.)
@@sholem_bond wow you really made me think with this one, you are so right. it is true that Christian women are so often expected to be perpetually infantilized and self sacrificial to a fault, and in that way it seems like Lucy was *the* female Christian ideal…….and you’re right she died before she became a messy, autonomous adult who could no longer be projected onto and used….and they did have a boy after her which def could be seen as the blessing god have them after the necessary trials of Lucy’s sickness/organ donation. like it’s really all adding up. this movie is messed up in a layered way. and no you’re absolutely right that 5 yr olds should not be donating organs, especially not fatally sick ones who probably would only have infected organs to donate anyways. 5 yr olds do not have the capacity to truly understand what it means to donate an organ and give informed consent to it or the lifetime of physical effects that it would have on them. so many things in this movie are so unrealistic it’s just silly
I've heard someone on TikTok say that the crux of Christianity is believing that no matter how bad things are in life, the afterlife is perfect, and you don't remember anything of you life other than what God lets you. And that's just reminding you of the family that are Christian and making you feel happy in your religious service to him. So for a Christian movie to focus on the death of a child makes sense because "Oh she was SUFFERING and now she's at PEACE with Jesus!!" is probably what they're aiming for. It's very icky, IMO.
the “other than what god let’s you” is creepy as shit. I’ve seen people say that you wouldn’t be sad about loved ones in hell because he would either make you hate them or remove them from your memory entirely. god is genuinely an eldritch monster
In my research of Christianity suffering is seen as holy, because Jesus suffered. Being a martyr predates Christianity, but they expect every worshipper to lay down their all because Jesus did. Sometimes as a literal follower of Christ's footsteps.
Yeah, I always found the "you'll be guaranteed to be happy and content always as you constantly praise god forever" WAAAAAY too close to some kind of terrifying mind control than it seemed like adults did. Or maybe they just decided they didn't want to think about it too much and that it would just kinda work out. Which is a bizarre way to handle your literal eternal existence.
Yeah, I was thinking he knocked over a convenience store or something. If I'm a Christian fundamentalist and I see a guy like that, his whole look is giving stick-up artist.
Which is ironic, given how much white collar/financial crime (embezzlement, for example) happens in Christian religious organizations and projects, and even sometimes just local church budgets. I'm pretty sure it's higher than the normal rate for all organizations, or other religious organizations and secular organizations.
Realizing how heartless I am because I would absolutely tell a little child that tries to tell me about Jesus that he probably didn't exist and to leave me alone to grieve in peace.
Okay, if the parents are so ~moved~ by their 5yo daughter wanting to give one of her kidneys to Edgar and she's the right blood type or whatever... why didn't they look into giving him one of theirs? I mean, maybe Lucy and Edgar are both type O or AB and the parents are A or B or there's an issue with + or -, but like... most often a child will match one or both parents or be close enough that that would be a viable option instead of using the child's kidney. Sure, she died anyway, but like... Idk. It feels like that would have been something that should have been discussed.
There's also the fact that an organ from someone who died from a virus isn't usually considered a viable transplant option. The recipient won't have the means to fight off the virus after the transplant and will die.
Yeah, this is absolutely something the parents should have handled by just donating one of theirs instead and telling their kid "sorry, you can't because you're too little" (I know her organs are apparently viable, but she's still obviously too little). Even if one of the parents later gets sick and needs a kidney from Lucy (because the only one they had left failed), at least she'll be an adult by then, so she'll be physically bigger and stronger and have a better idea of the risks, more able to make an informed choice. (From people's comments I know she dies at the end of this movie, but like, they don't know that at the time.)
Fundamentalists would never admit this, but I think they ultimately view their children as kind of disposable/interchangeable/replaceable on an ideological level. They are encouraged to have as many as physically possible, and to sternly train them to follow the religion no matter what. The kids are property and tools for evangelizing. It's kind of sinister to me that Lucy's "replacement" is a boy, which is often preferred by these kind of people due to their ingrained misogyny. It's like "you did the right thing by sacrificing your kid to Jesus' plan, so here's a better one!" you know?
This reminds me of “the Christmas shoes” which was so depressing, and even my mom commented on how she’ll shocked my sister and I looked after that youth group.
Honestly horrifying how Christian movies treat children as replaceable. Or at least not super tragic? Because they'll end up in heaven so it's fine if they die?
Especially dead girl children. I feel like it's significant (even if the filmmakers didn't consciously intend it) that Lucy gets replaced by not just another kid, but a son this time. Her purpose on Earth was apparently just to donate organs and be "cute" for the adults around her (she's not old enough to get pregnant yet, but even at her age, her body is literally there for the use of others, who happen to be men). Her parents did such a good job raising her that they get rewarded with a boy (the important gender). Lucy gets to go to Heaven, where she stays forever pure, always the little girl she died as and never growing up into a complex human with a mind and desires of her own. She's forever innocent and forever her "Daddy's girl," which is how a disturbingly large amount of fathers seem to see their daughters/AFAB children in childhood versus adolescence and young adulthood (not just Christian or religious fathers, either). Idk I'm intentionally reading [too] deep into this stupid Christian movie with my Feminist Media Criticism (TM) Lens, but the more I do, the more patriarchal the ending seems. It's gross.
To be honest, I'd definitely be cheered up by a 5yo girl saying she'd draw me a picture so I wouldnt be sad. As soon as Jesus was mentioned though I'd immediately be back to being upset.
i went to a catholic high school and i just remember one time my religion teacher showed us this short documentary film about this couple that was about to have a baby but literally all of the doctors were telling them the kid wasn’t going to make it but they were Christian™️ so they refused to abort the kid. there were these emotional interviews about the couple’s choice and they were literally shown having to shop for a child sized coffin and making fucking funeral arrangements in the weeks leading up to the birth. and at this point you might be thinking that the kid is born entirely healthy, the doctors were wrong, aren’t you glad you didn’t abort it, but no. the woman gave birth and the baby barely survived for more than an hour. and then it just ENDED. absolutely bizarre choice to convince folks to be pro-life. but yeah there’s definitely something to be said about the way that christians really champion and mythologize suffering. like yeah life is hard and suffering is inevitable, but so many of these folks actively choose it and encourage others to do the same and it’s weird
wait so did literally nothing come of a ghost pulling the fire alarm in a HOSPITAL??!? the random armed guard there to watch over a prisoner just “fixed it” and no one cared lmaooo
Yeah like, imaging having to evacuate all the preemie babies in the NICU and the people on life support and EVERYONE out of the hospital for NO REASON and thinking it's sweet and cute because a five year old gets to talk about jesus
i think i love these videos so much because they fulfill a desire i didn’t know i needed. watching these hour long in depth movie reviews is exactly what i need my friends to do to me when i’m wanting to engage in conversation but im nonverbal. like. yes please go into crazy depth and detail in a monotone voice for an hour and a half, and i will legitimately cling onto every word. amazing content my friend.
as someone who was raised very christian while having obsessive-compulsive tendencies and anxiety from a very young age (and assorted other health issues that caused distress in child me), yes they absolutely do call Jesus the Prince of Peace. I got reminded of that and the “do not be anxious about anything” verse a lot as a kid
Child with pneumonia running around a hospital at night visiting a man with fatal kidney failure: sure it would worsen both their conditions, but what the hey? They're going to heaven and that's what matters. Probably sooner than they would otherwise.
I was a near death pneumonia child at 4. Who knew it would've been a lot more eventful had I been religious and dreaming about convicts with failing kidneys
I can distinctly remember being around the age of this kid and being so brainwashed that I would constantly tell strangers that "Jesus loves you" and I would get so much praise for it. And it's wild because now I'll do anything to avoid interacting with anyone in public.
That nurse who gave away the detailed medical history of a patient to a complete stranger would not only lose her job, she'd potentially face a maelstrom of legal fees from the HIPAA lawsuits coming her way. Rightfully so.
I had to stop half way to make this comment: SETTING OFF A FIRE ALARM HALTS PATIENT CARE! There's is a protocol that must be followed by staff to stop what they are doing and start performing proactive tasks, like running to the "fire" site with an extinguisher, shutting all patient doors and doing a head count...staff on their lunch have to return and don't see that break returned to them. DO NOT pull fire alarm no matter how much you want to made a sad guy in an orange suit happy.
This must be a small town with no children’s wing lol. My 8 year old niece had this type of pneumonia last year and it was no joke. Hers didn’t respond to antibiotics for 3 days and there was some worry that it wouldn’t. She ended up being in pediatric icu for a week. There is no way a a child would be able to get out of bed that easily, roam around without assistance or be that vocal if they were that sick, let alone on oxygen. So I had perpetual eye roll on that part.
55:16 The dad with his daughter sneaking into Edgar's room is just as believable as the part from Monster where a kid that just got out of a coma, takes his catatonic sister and they manage to sneak outside of a hospital.
sidenote: love watching the evolution of your knitting, it's gotten so much better and shows. it's always awesome to see people perfecting their crafts
As someone who was raised in the church and has very religious parents, Prince of Peace is a very common Jesus nickname. Though it’s usually only used in songs and sermons. Also it’s probably because I’m in the Bible Belt but when I googled it I got a dozen local churches with that name in their title.
i had pneumonia at 15 and my local hospital had me transferred via ambulance to a children's hospital. so why is Lucy, a FIVE year old, in a regular hospital?
the grandpa ghost is so menacing, and that's just one of many odd choices in this movie... some of the scenes you showed seem like they probably could've used another take or two or ten
My grandmother used to sit me down for very adjacent levels of fictional tragedy every year. Now that I'm an adult, there's something weirdly horrifying about it. I would be 5 years old, shown some of the saddest things you could show someone in a movie about the best time of year to be a kid, and it'd always be used as a way to try and reinforce the Christian kerfuckery that they were spewing at me. That's so oddly insidious.
Or, it's absolutely brainwashing and conditioning, but the people who engage in this kind of thing think that's okay as long as they do it. But if anyone non-christian tells their children about what their cultural or religious beliefs might be, it's seen as anywhere from tragic to literally evil. They just think they should be allowed to do a bunch of things they think everyone else shouldn't, because they have a certain belief system.
Interacting with the spirits of your dead ancestors is something that I’ve seen some Christians call “demonic.” I’m actually pretty intrigued by how this movie portrays the relationship Lucy has with her grandfather. It’s coming across as a really wholesome part of a movie that otherwise has a lot of problematic things going on.
This crossed my mind as well. Ghosts don’t really fit into Christian mythology with the singular exception of “the Holy Ghost” which is just another name for God basically. Some Christians demonize talking to ancestors because they go out of their way to demonize things central to other religions that aren’t Christianity. Many eastern religions, such as Taoism, involve the veneration of ancestral spirits.
If I wanted to watch an uncomfortable movie about a man wracked with guilt in a hospital making an unlikely friendship with a little girl who sneaks around the hospital, I would watch The Fall.
when i was little my parents put on a christian movie for family movie night called Faith Like Potatoes. there’s a very graphic and long scene with a kid dying violently and with a lot of blood, and my mom paused the movie as the kid on screen shrieked in bloodcurdling agony to scream at my dad for putting that on
39:26 I mean, I blame the parents and the other adults around. Why aren't they teaching her about boundaries? Boundaries are a good thing to know, it keeps you and others safe.
I was assuming the kidney donation would be posthumous from the start. As a parent i’d agree to that a lot sooner than my 5yo giving one of her healthy organs to a prisoner. Bart should definitely alert the nurses that Lucy is roaming unattended, which she shouldn’t be able to do if she needs oxygen all day in the Pediatric floor, which under no circumstances would be 5yo-strolling distance from the prison ward FFS. Finally, my mom called our homeschool Prince of Peace Academy.
I thought the janitor would end up being a ghost 😂 Also the only other time I’ve heard prince of peace is that brand that makes ginger chews and ginger crystals
"He's a prisoner. He's here because his kidneys are failing." HIPAA violation! Also why is the child not in a children's hospital or at least a childrne's wing??? What is this "on another floor" thing - is that a thing in some hospitals? Because in the one I was in, the floors were separated by why you were there.
The second they said he needed a kidney, I knew Lucy Shimmers was doomed. There was no way the sick little Jesus-loving girl wasn't going to be the organ donor. The parents and nurses all knew she was dying from whatever her illness was. It explains why they didn't just shout, "Hell no, fvck that!" when she asked if she could give him her kidney and why they were willing to consider it. The messed up thing is that this makes sense in a strongly Christian mind. I'm sure Lucy's parents had been praying for Lucy to survive. Their prayers were less important, even though they worship Jesus, because Lucy was already saved. It was okay for her to die because she'd just be chilling up there in heaven with grandpa, waiting for them. However, Edgar (was that his name?) wasn't saved. So it was much more important that he live and have time to accept Jesus. God is messed up. I can say this with confidence as a former Christian.
not a christian or ex one, but I'd go so far as to say it was probably meant to be that the whole reason Lucy's pneumonia wasn't responding to treatment is that god actively intended for her to die to save Edgar - it was her entire purpose, hence the dreams before falling ill at such a convenient time - therefore no one should be truly upset about her loss because she was always meant to die and now she's returned to god having served the purpose he gave her
I think what upsets me most is I could see a rewrite that makes this a compelling movie. 1. Cut the Jesus stuff. And the ghost grandpa. 2. Add an actual dynamic between the father and Edgar. First the dad is distrusting Edgar and super protective of his daughter, but gradually he takes a genuine interest in Edgar's life and a friendship develops. Romance? Not required but I'd be down. 3. The dad is the one to donate the kidney, the kid doesn't have to fuckin die. She's the one who offers, but he's a good father and won't let his sick child donate an organ to a near stranger. He'll do it. 4. They become a blended family and live happily ever after. No Jesus and no child death required, just ACAB and gay love.
As someone who has donated a kidney to a stranger, f*cking no! I had to go through a bunch of testing including a doctor signing off on my mental wellness & capability to give informed consent. While there have been cases where children have been living donors, as far as I'm aware it's always been to family (usually so-called "savior siblings", children conceived specifically to donate to a sick sibling) No way a 5 year old could give consent to an altruistic donation (a donation to a stranger) & if their parents entertained the idea of a living donation from a 5 year old to a stranger, the doctor would probably be reporting them for intervention by child protective services.
Wait hang on. People intentionally conceive children specifically to donate organs to other siblings or family members? And they do this often enough that there’s a term for it? I feel like calling that idea “mortifying” is still putting it lightly.
When I was in second grade, my class actually illustrated a little book about kidney donation. It was made to give to kids whose parents/family needed transplants and it explained what happens to the patient and the donor. Looking back, I'm glad I got to be part of that project and I hope it helped some kids.
Eh, she's 3-5 (?) years old. Kids at that age are still trying to figure out how to use the words they know to communicate what they actually want to say. And sometimes they just say really weird stuff. Most normal part of the movie IMHO.
I actually really really like Lucys "adlib" moment. That is literally what I hear anytime I hear a child under ~6 talking. Just an incoherent stream of sounds that occasionally sound like english. I've heard parents understand the babble and I guess that makes sense, I can differentiate my cats different meows after all. How the fuck do pre k and kindergartner teachers do it!?? Is it akin to learning a whole new language?
Ok I'm going to recommend, "The Horrific Evil Monsters" on prime videos. I was going to watch it because it was listed in the comedy fantasy section but then went like 3 minutes in and saw like the first few lines and thought, "Nope this is going to be a stupid movie about religious stuff. Right up Willie's alley though." So you should watch and see if it's as bad as it seemed it was going to be, that way I don't have to. 😂
About 7 years ago i was in the hospital for nearly a month with Xtreme Internal Bleeding (severe IBD that didnt respond to steroids). (Like, bad enough i got two blood transfusions.) Several times there were incarcerated patients in the room across the hall. Obviously i was not at my most observant, and this is all anecdotal anyway, but they just were... patients, not feeling well, hating waking up at 5:00 when the docs would come around, etc. (5 may be an exaggeration, but i know it was early because i wasn't sleeping much and was often awake when they'd stop by.) Also if anyone had offered me a bible when i was at my worst in the hospital i would not have reacted with half that amount of restraint. It was a bad time and i was very unhappy
I've been hospitalized for a few days before, and I think it is 5 AM when they come in for the first readings/tests/vitals of the day. Between that and the IV in your arm limiting movement, it's impossible to sleep in hospitals unless you're comatose. (I might have taken the Bible though, I think I had like a solid 24 hours between hospitalization and getting a bed/trying to go to sleep for the night, and I didn't have or want a smartphone back then because I was kind of a Luddite, and I was hospitalized kind of suddenly without much planning or packing time... Anyway once the anti-nausea sedatives wore off, I had NOTHING to do for hours (and couldn't fall asleep anymore). If I'd had a Bible, even a Christian Bible rather than a Torah translation, I would have read it cover to cover, I was so bored.)
The movie title sounds like a children's novel/movie. About the doctor talking about his patient in front of his patient: happened to my grandma when she was in the hospital for COVID last year. They would talk about how she's probably going to die in front of her and told her that, which made her depressed and upset. They were really bad at making sure her oxygen tank was filled and overall care, and despite my mom telling them about my grandma's personality, they took it as her losing the will to live and seemed to slow down on trying to save her life, taking a long time to get a certain test or imaging or something done. She ended up worse off in the hospital after a few days than she had when she arrived for a severe Crohn's flare up. My parents finally were able to make the drive and able to see her for a few days, and she started turning around. She survived. Being able to see family made a difference...had me wondering how much isolation played/plays a role in COVID deaths. But to the point, it blew me away when my mom told me the doctors would just talk about her dying and stuff in front of her. Like yeah, it's important to be honest and realistic especially with patients, but have some tact, too. They're still alive in that moment, don't treat them like a lost cause too soon. Anyway, back to watching the video.
Speaking about someone like they’re already dead is so distasteful. I could see maybe not being as careful around a coma patient or someone who is unresponsive but the patient is Right There and listening and just yuck.
True. My cousin's baby (she's 3 now) probably gave my dad a cold by coughing a bunch while we were over there for Thanksgiving, and never remembering to cover her mouth even once, LOL.
I'm pretty sure they did it on Joan of Arcadia too. I dunno why this comment reminded me of that show... Now that's something that would make a good review here.
Did Bruce Almighty start that trend or did it exist before that? That’s the earliest I can think of. Also Bruce Almighty and Joan of Arcadia both came out in 2003.
willie i need to just really let you know that i showed my dog this video and she stopped everything to watch this. she kept tilting her head as you spoke so i think she like your voice
I am here for this video dropping on the same day the Last Week Tonight video on organ/body donation also comes out on YT. like what are the odds of that? I am also here for the only character directly affiliated with the justice system being a total shit and no one coming in last minute and being like oh he's just a bad apple, cops are great actually because FTP
I literally just heard about his channel because it was bringing up discussions elsewhere and then I saw someone mention him in Defunctland's comments and that did it. I watched his two latest videos this morning and am all in now haha!
I've been a case manager nurse for sometime. There is SOOOO many inaccuracies here. Lol. Just picturing a pediatric patient walking in and sitting on a custodial patient's (prisoners) bed literally had me rolling with laughter. So ludicrous. This gentleman seems like he may be on death row, which makes him ineligible for donation.....I could go on. 🤣 Honestly seems like a case that would go to the ethics committee before that little girl ever saw an OR. The funniest one yet!
“If feeling guilty was a sign that you’re secretly Christian that would make me the fucking pope” is a beautiful turn of phrase that will be rattling around my anxiety-ridden skull forever
That and “I kind of feel about prayer the same way I feel about herbal supplements; I think people should do whatever they want to make themselves feel good, but the second you start selling something, you need to be able to back up whatever claims you make.”
Those lines slap.
Okay, but the line she improvised about how her teddy bear was sick "he's got ants in his bones" is 110% the kind of things kids come up with. The only realistic part of the movie.
I was thinking the same😂 I work with 3-5 year olds and that seemed like a legit thing a kid would say
Honestly that was the only part of the movie that felt like good writing because I was like if a kid was describing pains they didnt understand of course itd be like that
oh for sure. the moment I heard that I knew it HAD to be improv because that’s the type of shit only a five year old would ever think to say
@sir-dame-sander reminds me of the BBC show Outnumbered, which had the kids improvise their parts off last-minute instructions. The youngest is a girl around that age (when the show starts, anyway), and you just know it *has* to be improvised because no one over the age of eight or so could possibly mimic her dialogue about making friends with her gnits. (At least, I *think* that was what the first conversation with her was about, but it's been a while since I watched the show, and conversations with five-year-olds can be kind of hard to follow in the first place.)
Exactly my thought
Having a second kid to replace your dead daughter is such a Bible type move
you had to sacrifice your daughter to be rewarded with a son 🙃
Real af
you lose your three kids but you get SIX childrem, Job, isn't that great?
I know someone who did this. She had two kids, had her tubes tied then about ten years later there was an accident that sadly killed her youngest. She had the surgery reversed so.she could have another child very soon after.
@@pal5683I hope her family is doing okay, but that seems lowkey messed up.
I saw someone mention how the nurse violated patient privacy laws, but can we also bring attention to the fact that 1) Lucy is randomly in the adult wing to shoehorn her interacting with the convict, and 2) the hospital lets a pneumonia-riddled and highly contagious child walk around unsupervised?
Little Miss Typhoid Mary in here spreading Jesus and bacterial infections
Right?? Like, HIPAA also applies to prisoners. And if Lucy is that sick, she wouldn't be able to wander constantly, let alone be left to wander.
Have you ever had an extended stay in a hospital? That stuff actually happens. I was in the hospital for a month one time, and I was bounced to 3 different wings before I finally made it to the appropriate space. At one point I was placed in the pediatric wing for a day or two because that was the only available bed, and they were playing musical chairs with dozens of other patients.
After I was put in the proper wing, a convict with a 24 police detail was placed in the room next to mine. I don't remember what he was there for, but I do remember he wasn't in the proper wing. He was in the middle of his musical chair period.
And they 100% would let super sick and possibly contagious people wander about. They would put brightly colored stickers on them to warn people. I had a sticker, as well. But mine said "Fall Risk". Mind you, this was long before covid. Hopefully they take way more precautions now than a fucking dayglow sticker.
@@dboone7670that sucks you were bounced around so much! The healthcare system is bonkers. Idk if you're in the US but it suuuuuucks.
My brother was in the hospital as a child. Granted, he had cancer, but he couldn't wander that much due to being, you know, sick. Sometimes he could go have fun with his fellow cancer friends and their families. But he was often just too sick to have a ton of fun beyond playing video games and hanging out. His illness started like this kid's: a cold that wouldn't go away and just escalated until they said he had pneumonia. Then they finally found out he had masses in his lungs right before Christmas. 🙃 I just can't see this kid being so sick and in the hospital for this long without having something like cancer...
Silly christian movies.
@@dboone7670 Hey friend that sounds like an awful experience and I’m sorry that happened to you. I’m very lucky to not have had an extended stay. My experiences are more on the side of medical neglect. Doesn’t seem like things have changed very much. From what I’ve heard hospitals aren’t taking any precautions against viral infections even as Covid continues to be a serious problem. I wouldn’t know though, as someone who is high risk I can’t safely go to the doctor because none of them mask or offer telehealth anymore where I live. A nurse actually scoffed at me for even asking. What a terrible country the US is! I guess that first comment was me being too idealistic.
you've heard of "waiting until she's 18 to get her legal consent", now get ready for "waiting until she's 5 to get her legal organs"
SHE TOLD ME SHE WAS 5
u act like christians care about consent from women?
u didnt see the sl@t shaming a 5 year old or whatever age girl/woman gets after r@pe
also in usa child marriage is legal and u need only the parents permission to get married u dont need the kids consent
in poland we learned in forced religion class the age of consent is 15 and 16 is age of marriage for women while 18 is for men
my family and priests also tried to force me on tinder from age 15
cuz i wasnt chasing men since 12 and it was ''horrible and conserning and degenerate behaviour''
cuz i acted like a child and asexual
like legit i had a intervention cuz i was a virgin and never was with a man or a relationship at 15 ....also remember christians think children are property and women forever property
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conservatives when a child wants gender affirming care 😡
conservatives when a child wants to get rid of their kidney 😃
Right???
and hell at that age gender affirming care would just be calling the kid tom instead of lucy
The gold standard for little white girls in these movies is how much they are able to serve the needs and desires of other people, especially adult men.
Also, they’re most “precious” while they’re still too young to be sexualized.
That’s why everyone is perfectly happy to let her endanger her health and safety for the good of a random stranger. If she dies now, she gets to be permanently remembered as the perfect little angel.
you can write emojis in youtube comments?
@@humanthetooth yea why wouldnt you be able to...❓❓❓❓
38:00 Bart's a ghost. He died cleaning the hospital and didn't realize it. That's why he's stuck in a continual loop cleaning that one spot where he died.
Damn, that makes Lucy's "you'll see your wife again" so much darker 😂💀 what goate task does he have to complete in order to be released from his time loop?
I had a similar theory. Or maybe they are all in a purgatory hospital waiting to be released 😢 😅
There are some very dark corners in this film 😅😅
He’s cleaning up his own bloodstain on the floor.
This is actually a Christian Sixth sense remake
and only lucy can see and talk to him
"there is nothing more sinister than an overly religious child." Preachhh
I was apparently a sinister-ass kid when I was little, and honestly that just makes me like kid!me more.
(Although I was not raised in a very religiously observant family, so my early understanding and practice of the religions I knew [Judaism and Catholicism, + some ancient Egyptian gods] was probably very off.)
lucy feels like a manic pixie dream girl which is weird considering that's usually a romance trope
YOU'RE SO RIGHT
Huh. That's... Strangely accurate.
What the fu*k???
I think thats because manic pixie dream girls are infantilized
@@happytofu5 that's true!!
Five year olds can't commit felonies. They're below the age of responsibility. Her complicit father on the other hand can ABSOLUTELY be charged with a felony.
Really? I always wondered what the lowest age of responsbility was especially when I would hear hypotheticals about how that age should be the legal voting age.
@@itwasmedionysus 5 should be the legal voting age? 🤔
Idk man I think little kids are evil masterminds
I didn't say that. I said that I've seen people argue that the legal voting age should be the lowest age that a child was tried as an adult. The point the poster was making was that children shouldn't arbitrarily be tried as adults when they're 14 because who would trust a 14 year old to make a wise voting choice? So why try them as an adult when we don't give them the same rights? I don't agree with making the voting age that low, I just understand where the person was coming from.@@mischr13
The hospital I work for gets inpatient admissions from a prison. It's actually a lot like what is portrayed in the movie. There's an officer with them 24/7, and I've heard of more issues from regular patients than from prisoners. They're generally extremely ill and just want to get better like any other person. Again, I've seen reports of horrible behavior from "law abiding citizens," but never anything about one of our prisoner patients.
Generally they don't want to hurt nurses in particular. They are the ones that show them kindness and they don't want to mess that up...which is really depressing if you think about it.
probably also because they have to be half dead before the prison actually sends them to an outside hospital.
Yeah anecdotal obviously but I never had significant issues with my patients transferred from prisons.
Also that nurse who disclosed homeboys info in the middle of the damn hallway needs to get written up or fired with the quickness
@@dww7094 out of all the things in this movie, that was the one that made me lose it. I couldn't believe they had her just casually telling a random man about someone else's health information. Like you can't have her do that and still try to portray her as a good nurse.
I work in a sleep lab (we test people to diagnose sleep disorders) and we occasionally get prisoners. The prisoners are always lovely. The guards that stay with them are the fucking worst.
The way that nurse completely disregarded HIPAA and told that dad all the man's medical info when he first asked. And not even for an expositional reason for the audience, since we already had a scene prior that told us all of that!
Those kind of Christians don't think any law or principle applies to them. They can proselytize in the public schools, they can do whatever they want, even though they would be SCREAMING if someone of another religion was allowed to do it to them. There's no entitlement like Christian entitlement.
I know! What the hell was that? People will ask me directly especially in a shared area *hey are they OK?' And I try to keep it suoer vague like 'yeh...yeh hey look a butterfly clip. Isn't that something?' Like literally NOTHING to even family members unless i get expressed permission. We do bee to bed hand overs and I make sure I ask if they're OK for me to handover in front of whoever is in the room. Even if it's a confirmed diagnosis It's still technically the doctors job to discuss that with them and give them the treatment plan.
bro even prisoners have medical privacy rights, fire her
Can we talk about how you shouldn’t pull a fire alarm multiple times in a hospital full of bed ridden sick people
don't worry jesus told her it was the right thing to do and everyone knows that jesus is above any "law" (/s)
My mum works in a hospital and the fire brigade has to come confirm the building is safe if a toaster sets off an alarm. They won't let an act of god or ghost go as one if those mysterious secret fires and leave the neonates in there connected to oxygen or whatever
Lol I didn't even notice that in relation to all the other blatant violations.
I literally blinked and thought "damn gpa that escalated quickly" 😂
He was a ghost. Legal loophole because ghosts can’t be prosecuted.
I just want to say, them treating her visions as a miracle and not satanic is incredibly realistic. When I was about 8 or so, I was having PTSD flashbacks, and I had no idea what was going on (these were the representative kind of flashbacks where you relive the experience emotionally but you aren't directly reliving rhe events). And when I told my religious parents about it, I was told that I was having visions about the end of the world (which was of course coming soon), and that it was a good thing.
Oh my goodness, what a way to add to your trauma. As a kid I was so terrified of the end of the world, or just anything bad happening, that I developed long-term stomach issues. I hope you’re doing much better now!
right? nowhere near as extreme an example but i "saw" angels all the time at Lucy's age, under the right conditions. i learned two (2) years ago there's a name for those visual phenomena, and it's nothing so glamorous, it's frickin. visual snow syndrome XD from the time i was taught to speak i was groomed into praying etc by positive reinforcement. i have known kids who had hallucinations touted as messages from god, and had symptoms of chronic illness explained away as a "trial". it's literally so messed up.
Diffrent religion, but my mom believes in ghosts (she calls herself a spiritual Christian). Back when I lived with her (from 15 to 18), any time I saw stress hallucinations that depicted "people", my mom would insists I saw a ghost.
She also desperately retold "stories" from my childhood about how I had "powers".
Again, different religions, but it's really interesting and weird that so many religious parents will just ignore issues because it fits their religion
@@wilderwisdom On a similar note, I knew a guy who claimed to have visions and that he'd been possessed several times. He very clearly had epilepsy. Like, textbook. I didn't know how to put that into words as an indoctrinated 15 year old, but even back then I remember being more worried he needed to see a doctor than scared of the 'demons'. And I was a severely anxious and traumatized kid, I was fucking terrified of demons. Hope that dude eventually got help.
There was an adult around the same time who told me he'd been attacked by demons and that he'd tried everything up to and including shooting them with an AK, but the only thing that made them fuck off was god. He was a vet who saw active duty. Again, even back then I knew what ptsd was. This man hallucinated demons and *shot an assault rifle* in his own home. He had six kids when I knew him.
"Honey, we talked about this, when Grandpa died, he became an undead bird monster that lives in the clouds." I screamed out laughing! Thank you for that!!!
I was worried that line wouldn't make sense so this is good to hear! (Also thank you!)
One time when i was like 6, we got a wrong number phone call on the land line.
After i hung up, i was struck with an intense sinking guilt, and went to discuss it with my grandmother.
I thought i maybe should have used that opportunity to proselytize, and asked her if we should call them back and make sure they were saved.
She told me yesbutnobutyesbutnobut yea I'll be here in the computer room with the door closed for the next 15 minutes.
As the crazy kind of christian we were, she had to say yes, but i imagine she knew it was a fucked up weird thing to do from the outside, so it was only ok if a kid did it and she couldnt be held liable because it had to be an innocent child to not be weird. Thinking back on it now... i mean the way that felt is just one more tack to add to the trauma board, imma get there eventually 😂😂😂
But like. She kinda said no. But also guilted me into doing it. And it was very confusing.
So i did what i thought was right.
So on this whole. Kids giving out jesus pictures deal.
I once called back a wrong number to ask them if they knew about jesus.
And it was encouraged. I was called brave. They train their kids to use their cuteness to manipulate people. Dont buy into it.
My grandpa would sometimes give me and my cousins pamphlets about the sabbath (SDAs believe even if you’re Christian if you don’t go to church on Saturday ur still wrong) to hand out to strangers bc it’s much easier to say no to an old man than it is to a like 8 year old. The guilt tripping too around not wanting to participate in evangelizing and “spreading the gospel”
@@BabyJonkler right? Lmao. It's so funny you bring up the Saturday thing, because sometime in that same year i brought up that the sabbath was clearly supposed to be on Saturday. I was convinced that satan had orchestrated a brilliant conspiracy to trick us into doing the sabbath on sunday so even good christians would go to hell 😂
I am so so sorry.
@@teesh871 thanks, I'm very not ok all the time 😂😂😂
Holy moly. I'm very sorry you had to grow up in this environment and very glad you managed to get out.
Also, I think a lot of questions about the actor playing Lucy can be answered by the simple fact she's the director's granddaughter.
I would bet the reason you never find out why Edgar is in prison is because a discussion about WHAT he did would lead to a discussion about WHY he did it. If he was just a bad guy who did a bad thing the way he acts in the movie wouldn't make sense, but they definitely don't want to approach any of the systemic reasons a good person would do a bad thing so it's easiest to just let the audience fill in the blanks how they see fit. Especially considering that the target audience is already quite good at that.
I agree, especially because they'd also have to make it fit with the prisoner wanting to Die because of his actions.
It would have to be a simple action, anyone even good people can do it, it'd make you want to die in your guilt, but it should probably not be too harsh because he is hanging out with a 5 year old.
The only answer is a car crash where he was drunk and therefore responsible and someone died? But that's so played out and some people don't like drunk driving, so they might not believe the REDEMPTION! It's the go-to for "good Christian who is in jail", but it doesn't always work
Nailed it, holy shit
def thinking this! it is so important for SO MANY REASONS but the biggest one to me is that ignoring/not giving his charges just makes it that convict=bad, unlovable person
This is grim, but I think that lady went into the conversation about organ donation thinking this poor little girl would likely die, and decided the best possible outcome would be to establish Lucy's intent to donate her kidney so that it would be easier for her parents to choose donation once she passed. I just don't think any medical professional would so strongly encourage a 5-year-old in precarious health to become a living donor. And the parents should definitely tell her she can't donate a kidney right now. Actually, their response makes me wonder if they've already been told offscreen that she's going to die. That would make the dad's lack of urgency in getting her back to her oxygen make slightly more sense as well, though taking her off it in the first place is still totally inexplicable unless he's completely given up hope of her surviving.
Anyway, um, Merry Christmas?
Yeah that would make a lot of sense and be rather bittersweet (sick child dies but gives a second chance at life to someone that felt like nobody cared and like he didn’t deserve them caring anyway so even in such a tragedy she can do some good and help someone who desperately needs it) but man…. they sure could have been more clear about that Lmfao. I’m not at all against the concept, Jesus related or not, necessarily but man… that execution and having most of it literally just be…. mentioning Jesus, not really saying anything, just name dropping…. was quite…. weak. 😂
Could have been better if instead of the movie being mostly her slowly dying and ending with the guy getting the kidney they’d just had like the first chunk be her meeting and comforting and bonding with Edgar and showing him he is cared about and does matter until she dies and gives him the kidney and book and then have the rest show just what her doing that does. Like have the movie be more about the impact of that on everyone, both families. Maybe the families can grow a connection over it.
that makes more sense than the filmmakers would ever have XD
Ok we’ve been talking about the indiscretion of the hospital staff but can we talk about that CHAPLAIN? The lack of respect, the pressuring, and shaming is inappropriate behavior from a chaplain of any faith.
I’m not even 1/4 of the way through and oh my GOD the priest forcing this DYING MAN to take a fucking Bible made me so ANGRY holy shit. If that were me I’d tell him to gtfo and tell hospital security not to let him into my goddamn room wtf
Edit: NOOOOOOOOO NOT THE NURSE BREAKING CONFIDENTIALITY 😭😭😭😭 PLEASEEE…. I’m literally a licensed patient care technician, my soul is SHRIVELING
Edit 2: not the little girl with pneumonia being allowed to wander around unsupervised through the empty hospital halls (also btw the hospital halls are NEVER that empty)
Edit 3: DID THEY PULL THE FIRE ALARM IN A HOSPITAL???? Oh my god that’s literally awful… that causes so much unnecessary panic, why would they do that
This comment reminds me of that joke about physics majors being unable to enjoy action movies anymore.
Having any sort of knowledge about Hospital care must make watching this movie even more hellish
@@josueayala1249 I was literally raging while watching this, it’s so bad 😭😭
If Ghostpa can interact with the physical world to set off a fire alarm, surely he should also be able to do something that would create a distraction less disruptive for the rest of the hospital.
@@thes7274473 LITERALLY. There are clearly dying patients in this ward especially, a fire would cause so much panic. Panic that could possibly endanger the lives of said patients. Especially since real hospital hallways are a lot less empty than shown in the movie
I have been in a hospital maybe twice in my life for brief visits so my knowledge is limited to fiction and like,,,, common sense? All of these edits are things that registered as wtf moments just based on common sense. Like, when Lucy climed up on the guys bed I was mentally yelling "SHE HAS PNEUMONIA WHAT ARE YOU DOING" like it's so bad you don't even need health-care knowledge to realize it's bad
Obviously, Lucy Shimmers is always gonna say fuck the police. It’s who she is.
The second I heard that Edgar needed a kidney transplant, I knew he was going to get Lucy’s. This is absolutely bonkers in the (unfortunately) least surprising way
Hi, Willie, as a religiously traumatized individual, "Prince of Peace" is one of the the titles Jesus gets in the bible, and is used quite a lot in songs for singing in church, is very easy to rhyme with. But yes, Google won't really give you much context
came here to say the same😂 Definitely heavy in the protestant hymns I grew up with in church, could be that Catholics escaped this one haha
Nah I was raised Catholic and we absolutely used Prince of Peace lol but I think it’s definitely one of those things you hear in sermons and not like, through cultural osmosis
It's also prominently used in Handel's Messiah, which uses text from the Bible ("the mighty god / the everlasting Father / the prince of peace")
I was in the choir at my catholic school, I remember singing this in a verse, however vaguely.
Also traumatized
Gonna start calling him Prince of Penis and start telling people it's really big because I saw it on a piece of toast or in the clouds
If Bart turns out to be a ghost trapped to mop that hallway until Lucy helps him move on, that would be clever. I don't expect that will be the case.
The name Lucy means "light" and the festival of St Lucy is celebrated on December 13th and traditionally involves a lot of candles. So they've gone in pretty heavy on the meaningful naming
I kept expecting that guy who likes to play god/jesus to pop up as a janitor again
Do evangelicals go in for saints? I thought they considered them borderline idolatry
@@rudebega1494 no idea but that is the meaning of the name 🤷
Look at that guys IMDB. Playing Jesus is pretty much all he does.
@@Broll00 that is mad
I knew when I saw the thumbnail had a little girl on it and the title said "Christian" that the little girl would end up dead by the end. These Christian movies always use the dirtiest tricks to make sweet old ladies like my mom cry so they keep telling their adult children who may have left the church about it and say things like, "It's so good, you're not gonna believe it," and then you watch it and it's just total tragedy porn.
Tragedy porn is definitely a new one😳
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think a kid with severe pneumonia that could kill them would be in that good enough shape in order to engage in these hijinks.
Yeah, she should be hooked up to multiple machines including ventilator, vitals monitors, IV, etc.
Also, a virus ridden organ isn't usually eligible for donation.
@@elaexplorerI agree on the overall point
but pneumonia is a bacterial infection
@@AgentPedestrianI mean, if you want to get technical, you can also have viral pneumonia. But it is a lung infection, not in the kidneys. I have no idea how it was bad enough to kill her if she can prance around the hospital looking so good (don't know why she was admitted in the first place if she looked so good, frankly). Best guess, the bacteria got into her bloodstream and she got septic, but then the bacteria would have definitely been in her kidneys and I don't see how the family could have donated them... And I've put way more thought into this than the screen writers did. Bring a doctor has ruined most medical shows, let alone movies like this that don't even try
Pneumonia is extremely painful, too, in my experience. It’s misery.
Not a Christian movie, but The Bitch Who Stole Christmas is a Christmas movie starring approx one million drag queens and it's a trainwreck on purpose.
Highly recommend, would love to see a Muse analysis on it tbh
One of the stars in that film, Krysta Rodriguez, actually starred in a Christian kids show called Colby's Clubhouse, when she was a child.
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Dude! How did you not realize Lucy was gonna die?!?!? I saw that crap coming as soon as Lucy was in a hospital. These kind of movies love a damn martyr.
When the movie started with ghost grandpa mentioning “why the good die young” I knew she was gonna die. I hate that phrase because I always view it as “only the young die good” because no one talks ill of dead children but they are more than willing to speak ill of late teens/early 20 something’s dying of drug addiction or homeless on the streets and so on.
I knew when he mentioned she coughed, that's usually a sign someone is going to die of plot disease eventually in crappy movies.
@@julinofoolyyup, that line was a total giveaway 😂
I was about to comment that! Oh the “bad guy” needs an organ and the good guy is a sick little girl ? Smells like she bout to give it up for the cause of Jesus
Lucy also sounds like the name of a lamb, as in one might sacrifice
Had a kidney transplant as a child and there's no way I would have let my sick child give her kidney away. The risks are way too high.
"Lucy Shimmers said ACAB" had me rolling
this movie is really reminding me of a very particular attitude towards children that a lot of people have...... there's often an expectation for children to not only be constantly cheerful, optimistic, easy to be around, *always* in service of others, never complaining, and emotionally uncomplicated, but also somehow willing and able to engage with adults and their adult problems in order to make adults' lives easier. I feel like there are lots of people who want children to be a useful, idealized, utterly innocent emotional conduit, (and to be honest those people are often white/christians, as far I see it, though not always). that's pretty much what this whole movie is, right? "look at this perfect angel child who's never complained once and has endless positivity and love to offer to those around her, and how she teaches adults about life". I know that's not what this video is about but I couldn't ignore it and tbh it does make me feel a certain type of way
Agree. What the show is not a kid, but a little angel doll that looks like one. Kids get cranky, nasty and mean real fast when they are tired and / or sick.
Yeah there's big vibes of child exploitation normalization in this movie. I think there's some mild, implicit (probably accidental) misogyny in there, too.
Lucy really gets objectified and used for her body (her kidney, and presumably her other organs too, since she died and they were already going to donate the one organ), as well as her would-be "cuteness," by the plot and apparently Christian-God Himself.
She dies and gets to go to Heaven, where she'll stay innocent forever and never grow up into a woman who will leave her father and grandfather-ghost for some other man, like a husband (or worse, living in sin and embarrassing her father), or get old enough to substantively disagree with either man. Her parents don't have to deal with raising a real, complex female human to adulthood, they can just remember the angelic little girl version of her. And her parents get rewarded for raising her so well by getting a boy this time.
Idk the bittersweet Christian "happy ending" of the little girl getting to go straight to Heaven before she's had a chance to grow up into a real person (not that little kids aren't real people, but), who has autonomy (makes choices for herself and has a mind of her own), just seems... gross.
(Edit: organ donation is a great thing to do IRL, although I think a little kid as a kidney donor is a bad idea. The problem for me isn't organ donation itself, just the way it's handled in this movie. Anyway, in many US states you can sign up as a future organ donor when you apply for a new driver's license, or other forms of ID issued by the DMV. I'm pretty sure I'm still signed up as one, and I hope other people consider signing up too.)
@@sholem_bond wow you really made me think with this one, you are so right. it is true that Christian women are so often expected to be perpetually infantilized and self sacrificial to a fault, and in that way it seems like Lucy was *the* female Christian ideal…….and you’re right she died before she became a messy, autonomous adult who could no longer be projected onto and used….and they did have a boy after her which def could be seen as the blessing god have them after the necessary trials of Lucy’s sickness/organ donation. like it’s really all adding up. this movie is messed up in a layered way. and no you’re absolutely right that 5 yr olds should not be donating organs, especially not fatally sick ones who probably would only have infected organs to donate anyways. 5 yr olds do not have the capacity to truly understand what it means to donate an organ and give informed consent to it or the lifetime of physical effects that it would have on them. so many things in this movie are so unrealistic it’s just silly
thats what most christian christmas movies are about actually.... its the Job trope
I've heard someone on TikTok say that the crux of Christianity is believing that no matter how bad things are in life, the afterlife is perfect, and you don't remember anything of you life other than what God lets you. And that's just reminding you of the family that are Christian and making you feel happy in your religious service to him. So for a Christian movie to focus on the death of a child makes sense because "Oh she was SUFFERING and now she's at PEACE with Jesus!!" is probably what they're aiming for. It's very icky, IMO.
the “other than what god let’s you” is creepy as shit. I’ve seen people say that you wouldn’t be sad about loved ones in hell because he would either make you hate them or remove them from your memory entirely. god is genuinely an eldritch monster
In my research of Christianity suffering is seen as holy, because Jesus suffered. Being a martyr predates Christianity, but they expect every worshipper to lay down their all because Jesus did. Sometimes as a literal follower of Christ's footsteps.
@kiradeki3561 👏👏👏👏👏
Yeah, I always found the "you'll be guaranteed to be happy and content always as you constantly praise god forever" WAAAAAY too close to some kind of terrifying mind control than it seemed like adults did. Or maybe they just decided they didn't want to think about it too much and that it would just kinda work out. Which is a bizarre way to handle your literal eternal existence.
Why didn’t Lucy’s dad give Edgar the kidney? Maybe that would be better than the literal baby
Why didn't Edgar's own kid give him a kidney?
@@elaexplorer That would make SO MUCH more sense with the theme of forgiveness, however Lucy is Jesus. She must sacrifice.
I'm gonna say he's in prison for forgery. Gotta remember these people often think financial crimes are the worst things a person could do.
Yeah, I was thinking he knocked over a convenience store or something. If I'm a Christian fundamentalist and I see a guy like that, his whole look is giving stick-up artist.
Drug possession OBVIOUSLY😂
Non-felony crime because of the orange jumpsuit.
Which is ironic, given how much white collar/financial crime (embezzlement, for example) happens in Christian religious organizations and projects, and even sometimes just local church budgets. I'm pretty sure it's higher than the normal rate for all organizations, or other religious organizations and secular organizations.
Realizing how heartless I am because I would absolutely tell a little child that tries to tell me about Jesus that he probably didn't exist and to leave me alone to grieve in peace.
Everyone grieves in their own way! And Lucy needs to learn that immediately...
What in the Magic Pixie Dream Child????
Okay, if the parents are so ~moved~ by their 5yo daughter wanting to give one of her kidneys to Edgar and she's the right blood type or whatever... why didn't they look into giving him one of theirs? I mean, maybe Lucy and Edgar are both type O or AB and the parents are A or B or there's an issue with + or -, but like... most often a child will match one or both parents or be close enough that that would be a viable option instead of using the child's kidney. Sure, she died anyway, but like... Idk. It feels like that would have been something that should have been discussed.
There's also the fact that an organ from someone who died from a virus isn't usually considered a viable transplant option. The recipient won't have the means to fight off the virus after the transplant and will die.
Yeah, this is absolutely something the parents should have handled by just donating one of theirs instead and telling their kid "sorry, you can't because you're too little" (I know her organs are apparently viable, but she's still obviously too little). Even if one of the parents later gets sick and needs a kidney from Lucy (because the only one they had left failed), at least she'll be an adult by then, so she'll be physically bigger and stronger and have a better idea of the risks, more able to make an informed choice.
(From people's comments I know she dies at the end of this movie, but like, they don't know that at the time.)
Fundamentalists would never admit this, but I think they ultimately view their children as kind of disposable/interchangeable/replaceable on an ideological level. They are encouraged to have as many as physically possible, and to sternly train them to follow the religion no matter what. The kids are property and tools for evangelizing. It's kind of sinister to me that Lucy's "replacement" is a boy, which is often preferred by these kind of people due to their ingrained misogyny. It's like "you did the right thing by sacrificing your kid to Jesus' plan, so here's a better one!" you know?
This reminds me of “the Christmas shoes” which was so depressing, and even my mom commented on how she’ll shocked my sister and I looked after that youth group.
Honestly horrifying how Christian movies treat children as replaceable. Or at least not super tragic? Because they'll end up in heaven so it's fine if they die?
Dead kids can't grow up to be sinners!
Especially dead girl children. I feel like it's significant (even if the filmmakers didn't consciously intend it) that Lucy gets replaced by not just another kid, but a son this time.
Her purpose on Earth was apparently just to donate organs and be "cute" for the adults around her (she's not old enough to get pregnant yet, but even at her age, her body is literally there for the use of others, who happen to be men).
Her parents did such a good job raising her that they get rewarded with a boy (the important gender).
Lucy gets to go to Heaven, where she stays forever pure, always the little girl she died as and never growing up into a complex human with a mind and desires of her own. She's forever innocent and forever her "Daddy's girl," which is how a disturbingly large amount of fathers seem to see their daughters/AFAB children in childhood versus adolescence and young adulthood (not just Christian or religious fathers, either).
Idk I'm intentionally reading [too] deep into this stupid Christian movie with my Feminist Media Criticism (TM) Lens, but the more I do, the more patriarchal the ending seems. It's gross.
@@sholem_bond No no. You're right.
@@sholem_bond I am here for this feminist critique of this terrible movie
To be honest, I'd definitely be cheered up by a 5yo girl saying she'd draw me a picture so I wouldnt be sad. As soon as Jesus was mentioned though I'd immediately be back to being upset.
When a kid wants to cheer you up with a drawing, it's innocent and a show of compassion.
When Jesus is there, it becomes indoctrination
i went to a catholic high school and i just remember one time my religion teacher showed us this short documentary film about this couple that was about to have a baby but literally all of the doctors were telling them the kid wasn’t going to make it but they were Christian™️ so they refused to abort the kid. there were these emotional interviews about the couple’s choice and they were literally shown having to shop for a child sized coffin and making fucking funeral arrangements in the weeks leading up to the birth. and at this point you might be thinking that the kid is born entirely healthy, the doctors were wrong, aren’t you glad you didn’t abort it, but no. the woman gave birth and the baby barely survived for more than an hour. and then it just ENDED. absolutely bizarre choice to convince folks to be pro-life. but yeah there’s definitely something to be said about the way that christians really champion and mythologize suffering. like yeah life is hard and suffering is inevitable, but so many of these folks actively choose it and encourage others to do the same and it’s weird
wait so did literally nothing come of a ghost pulling the fire alarm in a HOSPITAL??!? the random armed guard there to watch over a prisoner just “fixed it” and no one cared lmaooo
Yeah like, imaging having to evacuate all the preemie babies in the NICU and the people on life support and EVERYONE out of the hospital for NO REASON and thinking it's sweet and cute because a five year old gets to talk about jesus
i think i love these videos so much because they fulfill a desire i didn’t know i needed. watching these hour long in depth movie reviews is exactly what i need my friends to do to me when i’m wanting to engage in conversation but im nonverbal. like. yes please go into crazy depth and detail in a monotone voice for an hour and a half, and i will legitimately cling onto every word. amazing content my friend.
It's crazy that just a few doors down in that prison hospital Nefariamus was being interviewed by Dr. James Martin
as someone who was raised very christian while having obsessive-compulsive tendencies and anxiety from a very young age (and assorted other health issues that caused distress in child me), yes they absolutely do call Jesus the Prince of Peace. I got reminded of that and the “do not be anxious about anything” verse a lot as a kid
the year I got diagnosed with general anxiety and major depressive depression, my mom got me a "worry stone" with that verse on it lmaoo
yup yup yup
Pretty Relatable unfortunately, because saying it dosen't help immediately, I must have done something wrong
Child with pneumonia running around a hospital at night visiting a man with fatal kidney failure: sure it would worsen both their conditions, but what the hey? They're going to heaven and that's what matters. Probably sooner than they would otherwise.
I was a near death pneumonia child at 4. Who knew it would've been a lot more eventful had I been religious and dreaming about convicts with failing kidneys
I can distinctly remember being around the age of this kid and being so brainwashed that I would constantly tell strangers that "Jesus loves you" and I would get so much praise for it. And it's wild because now I'll do anything to avoid interacting with anyone in public.
Before Willie showed the clip of Bart the Janitor, I was 100% convinced that it was going to be the same god-janitor from the abortion movies
That nurse who gave away the detailed medical history of a patient to a complete stranger would not only lose her job, she'd potentially face a maelstrom of legal fees from the HIPAA lawsuits coming her way. Rightfully so.
I had to stop half way to make this comment: SETTING OFF A FIRE ALARM HALTS PATIENT CARE! There's is a protocol that must be followed by staff to stop what they are doing and start performing proactive tasks, like running to the "fire" site with an extinguisher, shutting all patient doors and doing a head count...staff on their lunch have to return and don't see that break returned to them. DO NOT pull fire alarm no matter how much you want to made a sad guy in an orange suit happy.
This must be a small town with no children’s wing lol.
My 8 year old niece had this type of pneumonia last year and it was no joke. Hers didn’t respond to antibiotics for 3 days and there was some worry that it wouldn’t. She ended up being in pediatric icu for a week. There is no way a a child would be able to get out of bed that easily, roam around without assistance or be that vocal if they were that sick, let alone on oxygen. So I had perpetual eye roll on that part.
55:16 The dad with his daughter sneaking into Edgar's room is just as believable as the part from Monster where a kid that just got out of a coma, takes his catatonic sister and they manage to sneak outside of a hospital.
sidenote: love watching the evolution of your knitting, it's gotten so much better and shows. it's always awesome to see people perfecting their crafts
As someone who was raised in the church and has very religious parents, Prince of Peace is a very common Jesus nickname. Though it’s usually only used in songs and sermons. Also it’s probably because I’m in the Bible Belt but when I googled it I got a dozen local churches with that name in their title.
i had pneumonia at 15 and my local hospital had me transferred via ambulance to a children's hospital. so why is Lucy, a FIVE year old, in a regular hospital?
the grandpa ghost is so menacing, and that's just one of many odd choices in this movie... some of the scenes you showed seem like they probably could've used another take or two or ten
I just want to say, that as a devout Christian, I love your Christian stuff. There's a lot of wierd stuff in the Christian media world.
I’m a progressive one myself and can’t stand these stupid manipulative movies
My grandmother used to sit me down for very adjacent levels of fictional tragedy every year. Now that I'm an adult, there's something weirdly horrifying about it. I would be 5 years old, shown some of the saddest things you could show someone in a movie about the best time of year to be a kid, and it'd always be used as a way to try and reinforce the Christian kerfuckery that they were spewing at me. That's so oddly insidious.
Or, it's absolutely brainwashing and conditioning, but the people who engage in this kind of thing think that's okay as long as they do it. But if anyone non-christian tells their children about what their cultural or religious beliefs might be, it's seen as anywhere from tragic to literally evil. They just think they should be allowed to do a bunch of things they think everyone else shouldn't, because they have a certain belief system.
Interacting with the spirits of your dead ancestors is something that I’ve seen some Christians call “demonic.” I’m actually pretty intrigued by how this movie portrays the relationship Lucy has with her grandfather. It’s coming across as a really wholesome part of a movie that otherwise has a lot of problematic things going on.
This crossed my mind as well. Ghosts don’t really fit into Christian mythology with the singular exception of “the Holy Ghost” which is just another name for God basically. Some Christians demonize talking to ancestors because they go out of their way to demonize things central to other religions that aren’t Christianity. Many eastern religions, such as Taoism, involve the veneration of ancestral spirits.
i'm just saying like as someone in the jewish community someone telling me "jesus loves you" makes me rabidly angry
some might say rabbi-ly angry
@@galaktiquedeadisch5604 LMAO
If I wanted to watch an uncomfortable movie about a man wracked with guilt in a hospital making an unlikely friendship with a little girl who sneaks around the hospital, I would watch The Fall.
Same! That is if i can fucking find it
when i was little my parents put on a christian movie for family movie night called Faith Like Potatoes. there’s a very graphic and long scene with a kid dying violently and with a lot of blood, and my mom paused the movie as the kid on screen shrieked in bloodcurdling agony to scream at my dad for putting that on
the moment lucy found out what organ donation was I knew she was going to die, but it was still devastating.
39:26 I mean, I blame the parents and the other adults around. Why aren't they teaching her about boundaries? Boundaries are a good thing to know, it keeps you and others safe.
I was assuming the kidney donation would be posthumous from the start. As a parent i’d agree to that a lot sooner than my 5yo giving one of her healthy organs to a prisoner.
Bart should definitely alert the nurses that Lucy is roaming unattended, which she shouldn’t be able to do if she needs oxygen all day in the Pediatric floor, which under no circumstances would be 5yo-strolling distance from the prison ward FFS.
Finally, my mom called our homeschool Prince of Peace Academy.
in addition to her last name being "Shimmers", her first name, Lucy, also means "light" lol
I thought the janitor would end up being a ghost 😂
Also the only other time I’ve heard prince of peace is that brand that makes ginger chews and ginger crystals
"He's a prisoner. He's here because his kidneys are failing." HIPAA violation! Also why is the child not in a children's hospital or at least a childrne's wing??? What is this "on another floor" thing - is that a thing in some hospitals? Because in the one I was in, the floors were separated by why you were there.
The second they said he needed a kidney, I knew Lucy Shimmers was doomed. There was no way the sick little Jesus-loving girl wasn't going to be the organ donor. The parents and nurses all knew she was dying from whatever her illness was. It explains why they didn't just shout, "Hell no, fvck that!" when she asked if she could give him her kidney and why they were willing to consider it.
The messed up thing is that this makes sense in a strongly Christian mind. I'm sure Lucy's parents had been praying for Lucy to survive. Their prayers were less important, even though they worship Jesus, because Lucy was already saved. It was okay for her to die because she'd just be chilling up there in heaven with grandpa, waiting for them. However, Edgar (was that his name?) wasn't saved. So it was much more important that he live and have time to accept Jesus.
God is messed up. I can say this with confidence as a former Christian.
not a christian or ex one, but I'd go so far as to say it was probably meant to be that the whole reason Lucy's pneumonia wasn't responding to treatment is that god actively intended for her to die to save Edgar - it was her entire purpose, hence the dreams before falling ill at such a convenient time - therefore no one should be truly upset about her loss because she was always meant to die and now she's returned to god having served the purpose he gave her
@@katharineeavan9705 that's... Really Dark, movie...
I think what upsets me most is I could see a rewrite that makes this a compelling movie.
1. Cut the Jesus stuff. And the ghost grandpa.
2. Add an actual dynamic between the father and Edgar. First the dad is distrusting Edgar and super protective of his daughter, but gradually he takes a genuine interest in Edgar's life and a friendship develops. Romance? Not required but I'd be down.
3. The dad is the one to donate the kidney, the kid doesn't have to fuckin die. She's the one who offers, but he's a good father and won't let his sick child donate an organ to a near stranger. He'll do it.
4. They become a blended family and live happily ever after. No Jesus and no child death required, just ACAB and gay love.
News headline: IT'S A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE a 5 yo dies and her dying wish comes true - a convict gets her kidney 🎉
As someone who has donated a kidney to a stranger, f*cking no! I had to go through a bunch of testing including a doctor signing off on my mental wellness & capability to give informed consent. While there have been cases where children have been living donors, as far as I'm aware it's always been to family (usually so-called "savior siblings", children conceived specifically to donate to a sick sibling) No way a 5 year old could give consent to an altruistic donation (a donation to a stranger) & if their parents entertained the idea of a living donation from a 5 year old to a stranger, the doctor would probably be reporting them for intervention by child protective services.
Wait hang on. People intentionally conceive children specifically to donate organs to other siblings or family members? And they do this often enough that there’s a term for it? I feel like calling that idea “mortifying” is still putting it lightly.
When I was in second grade, my class actually illustrated a little book about kidney donation. It was made to give to kids whose parents/family needed transplants and it explained what happens to the patient and the donor. Looking back, I'm glad I got to be part of that project and I hope it helped some kids.
17:50 The little girl said her teddy had ants in her bones...
Trust me, little kids say some wacky shit. Often hilarious, sometimes creepy. It's like a superpower.
@@erinhaury5773honestly it’s the most realistic thing about this move
Eh, she's 3-5 (?) years old. Kids at that age are still trying to figure out how to use the words they know to communicate what they actually want to say. And sometimes they just say really weird stuff. Most normal part of the movie IMHO.
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I actually really really like Lucys "adlib" moment. That is literally what I hear anytime I hear a child under ~6 talking. Just an incoherent stream of sounds that occasionally sound like english. I've heard parents understand the babble and I guess that makes sense, I can differentiate my cats different meows after all.
How the fuck do pre k and kindergartner teachers do it!?? Is it akin to learning a whole new language?
Telling a priest all that without patient permission almost certainly violates HIPPA
Ok I'm going to recommend, "The Horrific Evil Monsters" on prime videos. I was going to watch it because it was listed in the comedy fantasy section but then went like 3 minutes in and saw like the first few lines and thought, "Nope this is going to be a stupid movie about religious stuff. Right up Willie's alley though." So you should watch and see if it's as bad as it seemed it was going to be, that way I don't have to. 😂
About 7 years ago i was in the hospital for nearly a month with Xtreme Internal Bleeding (severe IBD that didnt respond to steroids). (Like, bad enough i got two blood transfusions.)
Several times there were incarcerated patients in the room across the hall. Obviously i was not at my most observant, and this is all anecdotal anyway, but they just were... patients, not feeling well, hating waking up at 5:00 when the docs would come around, etc. (5 may be an exaggeration, but i know it was early because i wasn't sleeping much and was often awake when they'd stop by.)
Also if anyone had offered me a bible when i was at my worst in the hospital i would not have reacted with half that amount of restraint. It was a bad time and i was very unhappy
I've been hospitalized for a few days before, and I think it is 5 AM when they come in for the first readings/tests/vitals of the day. Between that and the IV in your arm limiting movement, it's impossible to sleep in hospitals unless you're comatose.
(I might have taken the Bible though, I think I had like a solid 24 hours between hospitalization and getting a bed/trying to go to sleep for the night, and I didn't have or want a smartphone back then because I was kind of a Luddite, and I was hospitalized kind of suddenly without much planning or packing time... Anyway once the anti-nausea sedatives wore off, I had NOTHING to do for hours (and couldn't fall asleep anymore). If I'd had a Bible, even a Christian Bible rather than a Torah translation, I would have read it cover to cover, I was so bored.)
17:45 that a build a bear. Also i have that build a bear
Willie's voice never fails to makes me happy. This is my comfort channel.
The movie title sounds like a children's novel/movie.
About the doctor talking about his patient in front of his patient: happened to my grandma when she was in the hospital for COVID last year. They would talk about how she's probably going to die in front of her and told her that, which made her depressed and upset. They were really bad at making sure her oxygen tank was filled and overall care, and despite my mom telling them about my grandma's personality, they took it as her losing the will to live and seemed to slow down on trying to save her life, taking a long time to get a certain test or imaging or something done. She ended up worse off in the hospital after a few days than she had when she arrived for a severe Crohn's flare up. My parents finally were able to make the drive and able to see her for a few days, and she started turning around. She survived. Being able to see family made a difference...had me wondering how much isolation played/plays a role in COVID deaths. But to the point, it blew me away when my mom told me the doctors would just talk about her dying and stuff in front of her. Like yeah, it's important to be honest and realistic especially with patients, but have some tact, too. They're still alive in that moment, don't treat them like a lost cause too soon.
Anyway, back to watching the video.
Speaking about someone like they’re already dead is so distasteful. I could see maybe not being as careful around a coma patient or someone who is unresponsive but the patient is Right There and listening and just yuck.
People being forced to die alone was one of the worst parts of the lockdown to me. I find it unforgivable.
Bed side manner is an extremely important part of any doctor’s skill set and so many doctors really need to work on it
the most unrealistic part of this movie was when the 5 year old coughed into her elbow
True. My cousin's baby (she's 3 now) probably gave my dad a cold by coughing a bunch while we were over there for Thanksgiving, and never remembering to cover her mouth even once, LOL.
so true 😭 always an achievement when the 6 and 7 year olds I work with cough into their elbows
Love the exposition in that first scene of the dad clarifying to his like 5 year old daughter “MY dad?” after she says Grandpa Jackson 😂
Christian films really love janitors
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I'm pretty sure they did it on Joan of Arcadia too. I dunno why this comment reminded me of that show... Now that's something that would make a good review here.
@@silversugar2140I would absolutely not disagree
@@whitalleys5893 Okay.
Did Bruce Almighty start that trend or did it exist before that? That’s the earliest I can think of. Also Bruce Almighty and Joan of Arcadia both came out in 2003.
Literally like 12 seconds into the video let’s fucking GOOO!!
Edit: holy shit what a plot twist
willie i need to just really let you know that i showed my dog this video and she stopped everything to watch this. she kept tilting her head as you spoke so i think she like your voice
Babe wake up new Willie Muse video just dropped!!
"Stop trying to make Prince of Peace work, Gretchen!"
I am here for this video dropping on the same day the Last Week Tonight video on organ/body donation also comes out on YT. like what are the odds of that?
I am also here for the only character directly affiliated with the justice system being a total shit and no one coming in last minute and being like oh he's just a bad apple, cops are great actually because FTP
How is Lucy's handwriting that clean at five years old?
Every time I look at knittcolas with his hand deep in cup I think of Niel in coffee talk dipping his finger in his drink
First a new HBomberguy video and then this. This week suddenly became good.
I literally just heard about his channel because it was bringing up discussions elsewhere and then I saw someone mention him in Defunctland's comments and that did it. I watched his two latest videos this morning and am all in now haha!
Have you seen Todd's video yet?
@@donetodeathTodd who? I immediately thought of Todd Howard.
@@titaniumteddybear Todd in the Shadows
The thumbnail posing part of your videos should get their own chapter: Thumbnail Time.
I've been a case manager nurse for sometime. There is SOOOO many inaccuracies here. Lol. Just picturing a pediatric patient walking in and sitting on a custodial patient's (prisoners) bed literally had me rolling with laughter. So ludicrous.
This gentleman seems like he may be on death row, which makes him ineligible for donation.....I could go on. 🤣
Honestly seems like a case that would go to the ethics committee before that little girl ever saw an OR.
The funniest one yet!
Please remake this into a horror film. Like, intentionally
Holy Christ - turning a fire alarm on in a hospital should send angel grandpa to Hell 😆 🤣 😂