This episode is a detailed way of saying that Toei's writing staff was more interested in continuing the franchise with the base elements rather than telling a good, organic story.
As I don't believe in existence of good or bad writing this epsilde was enjoyable enough for me. At least it's not a tournament arc, plus some funny shenanigans are better than being too serious like most of Z. Them having Pan act like Bulma is pretty gross, especially if she's 9, but considering the episode of Jojo part 3 where an Orangutan assaulted a minor in the shower, this isn't the worst I had to sit through in a shonen, not that it makes this good.
People like Rildo mostly because he's really the only traditional DBZ-style antagonist in the show before Baby. A powerful guy with several forms that takes a long time to defeat, and it helps that his powers are memorable too. Even I found this raising of stakes refreshing when first watching. Also probably because the GT dub is borderline fanfiction at times and changed his generic rants about Miu's plans to some totalitarian fanatic speech, so that probably made him stand out a bit more to the 90s kids watching.
Pan: "Girls you see get stronger once they're crying." MistareFusion: And Gohan... and Goku... and Kuririn... maybe even Vegeta. LOL! this definitely reminds me of Piccolo's reaction to Cell's Kamehameha from DBZ Abridged.
It's weird how Toei included a scene of Cell using the Special Beam Cannon, a move that only Piccolo knows, but Piccolo is FAR more surprised by the significantly wider known Kamehameha. If anything, the Kamehameha should've come first, since that scene was in the manga and has to play out, but then he could've been more surprised by the use of his own technique.
Considering the Terminator influence on the Cell Arc (Trunks’ design matching John Connor’s somewhat, the date in which the androids are predicted to arrive being similar to when Skynet takes over, etc.), the clear influence here seems to be T2, what with the molten metal/changing forms/passing through objects. Obviously just a small surface level observation but still cute. Additionally, Nut seems less like the comparative Raditz of the group and more like Ghurd/Guldo. Dies to show the strength of the hero(es), and outclassed by the other posing members of the group.
Always loved the terminator influence , for better or worse . Trunks being more Kyle Reese than John. I never even considered the liquid metal parallel until now though !!
@TechnicSky with baby it represents how his revenge consumes him until he becomes what he hates. But for Dr myuu to do it just makes him look like a hypocrite and makes baby less sympathetic.
@@benjaminpeters6729 I guess we do latter on learn that Myuu was also juts a Machine Mutant and so in part at least controlled by his programming which put fixing Bebi at the highest priority.
I have a theory on the whole "Sexualizing a child" thing, it coincides with the whole "10 years later" myth too: Notice how on GT itself, the Lood Cult says it's been 20 years since Dolltaki had made a public appearance. However, when you read the GT Perfect Files, it states it's been 15 years instead. Me thinks the series was originally written as being 10 years after Dragon Ball, which would make Pan 14-15 years old. Only for them to retcon it later on to 5 years later, which made Pan go to 9-10 years old. Of course, that doesn't make the character's sexualization any less okay, but it does make it less disgusting.
@@Ethiaz12 Well, I wanted to get a somewhat nice one if I was gonna bother buying one at all, so not your typical plastic party favor. I don't think it was any more than $15.
Re: "This guy is stronger than Boo!" Normally I'd be right there with you that it really isn't worth caring about this comparison the way Fans do, but in this specific instance I actually do think it's a bad choice for the needs of the story. Not because Boo's honor has been, like, impugned or whatever, but rather because it's just so obviously unconvincing. Like, do YOU buy, at ANY point, that General Rild poses a greater threat to Goku than Boo did? Because I sure don't! And as a result Goku making that comparison feels distracting and cloying, like a sitcom introducing a replacement character for a suddenly-departed actor and insisting that you will totally love them just the same for realsies! Obviously, the effectiveness of the story does not turn on whether Goku compares Rild to Boo or not? But I do ultimately think all the comparison serves to do narratively is shine a spotlight on how boring and uninteresting Rild is as an antagonist and the show would have been at least SOMEWHAT better off if it hadn't bothered to make it in the first place.
Goku doesn’t even go SSJ3 against Rild. Before anyone says that GT Kid Goku is obviously stronger as a Super Saiyan now than he was seven years ago as a super Saiyan 3, there’s nothing here to suggest he is. In fact, his kid body actually seems to weaken him, as we’ll soon see.
Yeah,rildo himself is not particularly interesting so the statement Goku makes of him being stronger than buu is meant to make him seem more special than he otherwise should be and where GT's power levels get on z level and not the weak original DB era mooks Goku, pan and trunks were fighting before.
This isn’t unique to GT, this has been a problem since Z, remember when Debora a henchman was being compared to the previous big bad Cell. General Rildo is in the exact same situation.
Whenever they have characters with Super Saiyan forms fight in base, it completely undermines the fight by taking away tension and turning it into a waste of time because you know they aren't even trying at all and can just instantly end the fight.
@@reversalmushroom Honestly, I’d just make a shounen series with…well, what Dragon Ball was before Goku’s hair turned gold. Risk-and-reward power ups where appropriate, more creative techniques for weaker characters, and good old fashioned training.
This on top of SS being so mastered by the freaking Cell arc made me lose even more interest in most of the ToP. Specially in the anime where, inconsistent as always, they initially make a point about Goku and Vegeta saving Blue because it wastes too much energy, yet Goku spams it as soon as he ever cans (and recovers energy BY FIGHTING MORE!?)
I wonder if this subplot was inspired by Getter Robo? It’s an older Toei anime which featured a giant robot composed of 3 parts, that can take multiple forms for different occasions, such as flying, fighting with a drill, and having extending arms, sorta similar to Super Mega Cannon Signa. Getter Robo also had a revival a few years before GT came out, and the manga version of that revival introduced a new robot with some powers similar to what Rilld can do, like absorbing a planet into itself. So, if it’s a deliberate reference, that’s kinda neat. Would’ve been better if it was a less lackluster reference, but I guess it’s the thought that counts.
@@MidoriNatsume I mean, I was just summarizing the stuff relevant to the machine mutant subplot. I wasn’t trying to recap the entire franchise or anything.
maybe the sexual undertones are just misplaced homage (aka bad writing) since bulma did it in the beginning of dragonball, at least its better than the alternative
Not only that but it's not even a normal Dragon Radar, it's one specifically created to find the Black Star Dragonballs that literally nobody knew about.
Piccolo knew about them. Yet, in a logical world he would have used them to wish Majin Boo gone. Rather than be willing to lock himself away forever in the Time Chamber.
@@kevinlee9929 I mean Piccolo created them (in a sense), so it makes sense he'd know. The Black Stars DB were created by Kami when he was harboring corrupt thoughts before he expelled Daimaoh from his body. It doesn't make sense for the rest of the Galaxy to know
@@VideoGameMasters09 I agree with you. Just saying that it's a big logic gap with him knowing that those Dragon balls were right there all along. Yet, deciding to never use them.
Power scaling doesn't usually bug me but like the idea the a weakened Kid Goku could hold his own against someone as strong as Buu in his base form just never made any sense to me. Like wasn't the whole point of the group being comprised of a weakened Goku, a softened Trunks and the inexperienced Pan that the bad guys didn't NEED to be stronger than the previous ones?
The idea of comparison is already silly to begin with and only serves to highlight how swallow the power system is, it's all about having the higher number and what's worse is that the all premise of the story was to have weaker protagonists and weaker foes and finally erase this neverending curve of power.
It was stablished that Goku at the beggning of Z was Kid Boo level of power. Which is something they could have ignored, but i guess they wanted it to be consistent. him being a Kid didn't affect that power, so... idk, they could have made Pilaf say he wanted Goku to be Small and Weak or something.
Not really, the whole point of Goku turning into a kid was to repeat the OG dragonball formula with Pan as the Bulma and then was used as an excuse as to why can't Goku use IT so solve the plot right away but that was it as far as points go.
14:18 Growing up with the Blue Water dub, They renamed Rildo to General Lock for what I assume to be because Rildo sounds too close to the word "dildo". Still a pretty random name.
I always figured Dr Myuu got all his information on Dragon Balls FROM Giru absorbing the dragon radar/being around the heroes and he hastily adjusted some plans to get them since a wish would be incredibly useful. Giru probably shared the information remotely or something.
When you said that all Goku did was fire a buncha random blasts I immediately went "THAT'S VEGETA'S TECHNIQUE" and right as I said that you called out the same thing with that Buu panel and I shrieked with laughter so I'm glad we're on the same wavelength Also FUN FACT, DID YOU KNOW: THAT NEZI (or neiji) IS VOICED BY A WOMAN IN ENGLISH. NO REASON WHY SHE JUST IS no comment on the sexy pan
Ugh. If they were just going to reveal Giru as related to the bad guys, why not have him do something semi-shady up until now? Have Pan catch him in the act at least once and BAM, her abusive behavior is justified up until now. Then it hits better that she finally comes around to trusting him and BAM, nope, your original instinct was correct. DRAMA. Also double ick on the Pan sexualizing stuff
Im dissapointed but at the same time I cant exactly say im surprised that he has little to say about the most contentious point of GT scaling outside of "Rildo is boring".
"this guy is stronger than Boo", wasnt the whole point of Goku being turned into a kid that he lost most of his powers, so more interesting fights could happen? I think this was the point of no return for GT, they dropped any intention they had in doing something different than Z.
I always assumed that giyu was looking for planet namek. Namek got destroyed. The galaxy knows this. If there is even a trace of them a probe would be the best way to find them.
12:55 the exception to “I’m not using my full power” not being just a shift in intensity but actually flipping the battle entirely is when the villains do it. And that just makes narrative sense. Dragon Ball often thrives on seemingly unbeatable villains who the heroes must find a way to overcome. Having the HERO do it, on the other hand, just robs the fight of any narrative stakes. Plus… at least in the past, even that isn’t usually jumping from one extreme to the other, when they did this with villains revealing their true power. It’s usually a fight that seems more even, which we then realize the hero is far more outclassed than we knew, often with the hero already seeming like he’s still the underdog even when you thought he had a chance.
A bigger issue of Dr. Myuu’s minions being more powerful then Majin Buu, if they were that freaking powerful why didn’t they already take the Universe by force already rather then through the Dragon balls, other then the Saiyan’s and Dragon team whom are all just on earth who would stop them? Hell they could've just attacked Frieza while he was still alive and killed him and take over his suppose Universe owning Empire, even if they were half as powerful while Frieza was still alive, Frieza would still be an ant in power levels compare to Myuu’s nobody minion’s. So yeah that was something to keep in mind, Frieza has been stated to rule the whole universe already despite not being remotely as powerful as Cell.
@@BigDoont246dub names?he used the Japanese names unless your one of those that calls Frieza freezer or freeza which is just a matter of spelling not entirely new names.
The fact that this episode somehow managed to make it all the way through production and release without a single person asking the question, "Hey, why do we have a scene where a 9 year old girl seduces a horny robot?", Is mind boggling.
I want to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that they thought it was ok purely because their intent was to pay homage to og Dragonball, with how bulma used her sexuality to get what she wanted. Completely missing the fact that the reason that was less creepy is because she was 16 and thus has far more agency in how she uses her body. Pan is nine so it's just creepy
Maybe the fact Pan is 9 is meant to make the scene funny? Like it's supposed to be absurd since she's too young to be acting this way? But that's giving the show way too much credit. The writers are just perverts and should probably be put on a list.
Cultural differences and time of writing is the answer here. It was not considered weird or out of place by the people working on the show. I do not think they would release it today, then again it's been only like 2 years ago that I heard Japanese streamers explain the "FBI open up" joke as a western thing to one another
Not sure what is weirder. Pan here or that the its not even the only time I saw this setup as Sonic X of all damn anime's pulled the same "joke" with 6 year old Cream the Rabbit canonically making Eggman's Robots pedo's
RIldo is pretty boring but i guess being a solider that only does his job is basically all that he needs to be. I guess being from space the technology made on this planet would be more advance then anything dr gero has.
Here's the thing about M2: I always want to like it due to my general affection for robot characters in science fiction, but whenever I visit this portion of GT I'm reminded of how boring and frustrating it is. After a decently ominous introduction, the Mega Cannon Sigma quartet turn out to be utter chumps, never really demonstrating any interesting fighting tactics or techinques. Nutt only stands out from the rest because he dies first. They opt to combine to combat Goku despire knowing for a fact that his battle power is exponentially greater than theirs (incalculable, even!) so what's the point? Goku remains chipper and unfazed throughout, and it turns out that he could destroy them by simply transforming into a Super Saiyan. Meaning that the dreaded Mega Cannon Sigma put up less of a fight than Ledgic! And don't even get me started on General Rilld. He has multiple transformations, but they all feel abritrary and thus lacking in any kind of impact either to the narrative or the fight. As though the writers hope to distract from his lack of personality by swapping out his toy every so often. His behaviour once he gets out in the field is just baffling; he's supposed to be the top of M2's pecking order, but all he seems to do is pull his punches and waste time. The reveal that he can encase people in metal AND teleport them away means that he could've just done that to Goku and Trunks whilst they were captive and saved himself a lot of bother. All I wanted was some cool robot fighters, man.
Creative fight with the 3 combining robots? ...... Hmmm... lemme think.... 3 robots... with 3 forms... 1 that can't fly, but it's effing tanky... 1 mobile and flying form, and 1 with drills? Oh yah... They totally are GETTER ROBOT. Not that creative when you copy one of, if not the, most famous combining robot, in all mecha.
What do you mean? Nuts' role in the fusion if he join was to be come the nut of the robot. Goku woulda been screwed if they waved that enhancement in his face.
I have memories of watching this portion with FUNimation's earlier single DVD releases and apart from being lost on the plot thanks to cutting the earlier episodes, the dub voices and music got so engraved in my brain that watching this video gave me flashbacks to voices I haven't heard in 20 years. Looking back at it, yeah... Rild was lame and that Boo comparison was asinine even back then.
These episodes are a mess. And apparently Trunks didn't like his jacket anymore since he never puts it on again. (He still had it when he was captured with Goku in that tower room)
I don’t think I’ve ever seen this protrayal of his name, but “Rilld” seems like the optimal choice, unless the name’s actually a play on Weird Twitter comedians.
@@andrewshearsby8125 by bad ı mean things or habits like using your body to seduce people so that you can get whatever you want, it's in character for bulma but it's really not for someone like pan, like seriously where did she learn these? Surely not from the son house hold and ı really don't think neither chichi, Gohan or videl would be thrilled about it.
@@andrewshearsby8125 I dunno man bulma's a perfect balance between really smart scientist/mechanic that basically moves the plot along and some narcissistic thot who belongs to the streets, if she was just the latter she wouldn't be nearly as good of a character.
12:10 They being a 3-part red robot that can has 3 modes including one that uses a drill makes me think they were inspired by Getter Robo. They just have a flying mode instead of a tank one.
In regards to why Dr. Mu needs the Dragon Balls, the Perfect Files claim (at least the version I own) that Baby created Dr. Mu (we don’t know how, since Baby was an embryo at the time) and that Baby is at the top of the hierarchy. Baby needs the Dragon Balls to wish for the planet Tsufuru, so I assume that’s the reason why Dr. Mu is looking for them.
I feel like they tried so hard to make Pan the new Bulma that they just... completely forgot that she's 9 when trying to write "funny" gags for her. She acts more like an angry teenager than a 4th grader.
A “new age” Bulma but far more useless than was with her being only the kid appeal character who needs to be rescued to make Son Goku looks heroic and not the scientist and Fiction 500 Bulma was. She doesn’t work as the sex appeal character for obvious reasons. She more accurately fulfills the role of the Shorttank entry on Tvtropes. With that being, Pan in GT is overall just kind of worthless as a character.
Maybe it's because I watch the English dub, but I personally found General Rildo to be a decently developed character, at least compared to most other Dragon Ball villains. Most other DB baddies will kill even their own subordinates over the slightest provocation, with maybe the exception of original Piccolo. General Blue kills a guy just for picking his nose. Vegeta kills a Saibaman just because he was slightly holding back against Tien, and then kills Nappa simply because he's no longer useful. Frieza kills the guy who announces the arrival of the Ginyu Force just because he's in a bad mood, and Babidi kills Yamu and Spopovich for literally no reason at all. Rildo, at least in English, is actually loyal to his subordinates. He rewards Giru with a medal and holds a ceremony in his honor because of his incredible achievement (which, were it not for the fact that he was a triple agent, would indeed be an incredible achievement). When Giru offers up the saiyans' fighting patterns so they can be defeated, Rildo commends Giru again, calling him "useful beyond words." When the Sigma Force is defeated, Rildo is furious, and his subordinates are shitting their pants around him, but he assures them that they have nothing to fear, that only Goku should be afraid. Also, during that last scene, he speaks with a calm, collected presence, even when he's literally sparking electricity with how angry he is. His loyalty to his subordinates, and his ability to keep his cool in even the worst situations certainly elevates him above the one-dimensionally evil baddies from the manga. But again, that might just be the English dub.
Seems there’s a reason nobody really talks about this part of GT. Like, the villains all seem extremely bland. It feels like it tried to split the difference between the shorter fights of early dragon ball and the more serious tone of ‘Z’ fights, but just ended up with super unmemorable villains. And the villains, I’m convinced, are the only reason people remember anything in Dragon Ball. There’s a reason more people like the Cooler Movies or the Tree of Power than Bojack or Bio-Broly.
13:18 I love it when the whole ‘cel sliding in’ thing happens. Off the top of my head, there are at least two instances in Z where a character slides into frame: The Seigasha episode where the gang is waiting for Freeza’s ship to land on Earth. Tenshinhan slides into the shot when he senses Freeza’s ki right before Vegeta scolds him and Yamcha for not suppressing their own ki. The Studio Live episode where Cell makes his worldwide TV broadcast. Trunks slides into the frame when he tries to calm down the argument between Vegeta and Yamcha. But yeah, GT-era Last House is somehow generally harder to look at than their work in the back half of Z. Other than the few wonky-looking Doga Kobo episodes, Last House’s work in GT sticks out for all the wrong reasons.
Reminds me of how a gag scene would play out in Season 1 of Pokemon, where a character will slide into frame (complete with comedic sting) to crack a joke or make a funny observation.
I've never watched GT. An episode or two here and there. Just never heard enough good things or seemed worth it. Then Super seemed to supplant it. But frankly, these discussion videos, while clearly pointing out flaws...have got me interested in checking it out and seeing how I like the vibe of it. I at least like that it has a low episode count and that it actually occurs after ALL of DBZ and not just in the 10 year time gap before the epilogue. The perpetual "we haven't reached the end of Z yet" ticking clock of Super has been REALLY annoying.
This is how I would have fixed the Dr. Myuu knowing about the Dragon Balls concept. I would have explained that Myuu was originally the lead scientist who rebuilt Freeza into MechaFreeza. They could have explained that he learned about the DB’s that way, and when Baby made him into a Machine Mutant he decided to look for them. Also I think it would have been interesting to not only see what happened to the Freeza Force, but explain Freeza was the first Machine Mutant prototype.
Yep, those points about Pan might prove my point that the boy at the first episode was probably not intimidate by Pan being strong or whatever, he was probably trying to take advantage of her sexually, he knew that he would just try to hook with her and abandon her, and because of how strong she is, it was not gonna end well for him, so he gave up on doing it and ran away. this sexualization of Pan is weird. that's probably not a coincidence either, i think she was conceptualize to be that way on GT.
What's sadly ironic is that General Rildo did the whole "merge with the planet" bit a lot better than Moro. They had an entire decade to improve upon that concept and didn't realize succeed. As with Pan yeah they kept dropping the ball with her character. If you are going to try to depict her as sexy at least find an in universe reason to spontaneously age her up by a decade or so which would have tied to her original motivations and upped the creepiness and guilt factor by a few degrees. Not only would have Giru betrayed and used her but he would have also taken away her innocence and childhood in this theoretical scenario which is just inexcusable.
@andresmarrero8666 Toei had literally nothing to do with the Moro arc... Trough even then I need to ask, what did Riildo do better than Moro related to planet merging? Moro has an organic reason that leads to that and allows for a climatic and satisfying finale. Riildo is later decimated with a random blast when the story deems him unnecesary, despite the planet merging ability and him capturing them previously without effort.
Is there gonna be any baby in this baby arch? Lol. M2 is a really mixed bag for me. I was mostly bored by it all sadly. You were surprisingly nice about it
I think I might have mentioned it before, but I think there was an interview with the GT writer where he admitted that Pan was a heroine whose role was to get in danger so she could be saved by Goku. Then again, maybe you were the one who cited that interview and that's where I heard of it. Alternatively, it could've been SomeCallMeMark. On a different note, Rild kinda reminds me of Metal Cooler in his last form. On the topic of Rild, I suppose it's a question of which version of Buu he's stronger than. It's kinda weird to have some guy out there stronger than the guy who terrorized the universe to the point the Kais felt the need to step in, but Pure Buu/Kid Buu was the weakest form and gave Goku a good run for his money. The idea that someone could be stronger than that while not necessarily being stronger than Super Buu w/ Gohan and Pals absorbed isn't unreasonable I guess.
Random thought. Couldn’t they just maybe give an explanation that Giru was sent to Imeega to steal Don Kiya’s monetary resources for Mu’s goal of Machine Mutant conversion, either as regular funding, metallic building material or perhaps just sustenance stock for his soldiers as shown by Giru, they need to eat? And because the trio were there, Giru had to act on the fly and abort his mission.
It will never not be a shame that Pan's big emotional outburst wasn't punctuated by her also going Super Saiyan. I mean, the whole scene is full of golden energy even. Then again, it's even more of shame that to this day, she has still never officially gone Super Saiyan, not even in Dragon Ball Heroes where new transformations are handed out like candy. The only consolation would be if maybe like the head-canon Goten and Trunks inherited the ability to effortlessly reach Super Saiyan because their father had already achieved the form, maybe Pan inherited her father's ultimate unlock and so she doesn't need to transform.
yeah i still dont know why she hasnt gone super saiyan to this day (nor why adult gohan hasnt gotten to do potara fusion with goku in htese games like buu saga teased)
@@cryguy0000: Admittedly, Toriyama is on record saying he never drew Pan as a Super Saiyan because he couldn't figure out what she'd look like... which is a lame excuse, considering it should have been as simple as making her hair blond and spikey. However, Toriyama's only involvement in GT was drawing the initial character reference art. Which should have had zero bearing on Pan going Super Saiyan later in the series. If there is blame to be had, it's mostly on Toei, since by this point in the series all the art design was being done by their own in-house staff.
@@EmeralBookwise I imagined Super Saiyan Pan doing the Teen Gohan thing. Judt making the hair gold and getting rid of the loose strands. I think it'd look pretty cool
I personally find the whole queen bee mishap to be a source of missed potential. She wanted adult responsibilities and now has to look after a large portion of a hive who chose her because she has the potential to be a great leader as well as whoever they pick up such as that large beetle from the same planet, some Zelda looking people, a couple of cultists, and now some non traitorous robots.
Both the Sigma Force and Rildo are massive references to my favorite types of mecha anime, but it's boring as fuck, so I'm constantly conflicted as to whether or not I like it.
I don't really care about the Pan thing. I tend not to in fiction. It's whatever to me. Yea the battles here are not terribly interesting. Pan storming the same tower so many damn times really doesn't help. Oh I can't wait until you get to the point that tries to tie everything even further. Yea GT is all over the place with it's concepts. It can't ever seem to make up it's mind.
ngl i think this episode has really cool aspects. Pan being the main character, the cool phasing through metal power; a very unique power that sounds like it's out of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. on an unrelated note, i found your robot voice joke really funny. i really wish Pan could of like. succeeded alone. lol. though the episodes past the first one spoke about are indeed questionable, it's sad that GT can't seem to be good multiple times in a row.
There's this guy on UA-cam called "Villainous Warlord" who did a two part video ranking GT's villains, t's pretty good, the guy's fun to listen to. I'm telling you this because even though you don't like General Rilldo and I'm sure you couldn't be convinced to like him (Heck, I don't care about him either) VW's video is a good showing of why somebody would like him as a character, and it's fun to see other sides of the coin when it comes to opinions about GT
The start of M-2 was when the show actually started getting interesting for me, and yet of course, the writers still found a way to turn a situation where pan had to be the hero, into being a damsel.. again.. one step forward three steps back.
Hope you're having a great start to your week Lance, are you/did you go to comic con this year? I just went for my first time yesterday here in Texas, it was great!
I'm not going to pretend my French pronunciation was accurate (although I did listen to several pronunciations before I tried), but I can't imagine it landed on an "ant" at the end. It was definitely intended to sound like joie de vivre. =P
Rild being stronger than Boo hurts because it puts a nail in a coffin of any attempt to say that Goku being a kid scales him back. Instead he's violenty thrusted forward powerwise past his greatest feat in his adult life after some silly goofing around.
This episode is a detailed way of saying that Toei's writing staff was more interested in continuing the franchise with the base elements rather than telling a good, organic story.
Nice name
I enjoy the unintentional comedy of this comment due to the fact the story is currently on a mechanical and very inorganic planet
As I don't believe in existence of good or bad writing this epsilde was enjoyable enough for me. At least it's not a tournament arc, plus some funny shenanigans are better than being too serious like most of Z. Them having Pan act like Bulma is pretty gross, especially if she's 9, but considering the episode of Jojo part 3 where an Orangutan assaulted a minor in the shower, this isn't the worst I had to sit through in a shonen, not that it makes this good.
@@DDaphne0101__ Yeah, that's how capitalism operates. Nothing is more important than profit. Gross ass system
@@genyakozlov1316aaaaaaaaaaaand that's now yet another reason I have no interest in JoJo
People like Rildo mostly because he's really the only traditional DBZ-style antagonist in the show before Baby. A powerful guy with several forms that takes a long time to defeat, and it helps that his powers are memorable too. Even I found this raising of stakes refreshing when first watching.
Also probably because the GT dub is borderline fanfiction at times and changed his generic rants about Miu's plans to some totalitarian fanatic speech, so that probably made him stand out a bit more to the 90s kids watching.
His powers were cool, i'll admit that, though i'm with Lance on his design, it's pretty weak.
Pan: "Girls you see get stronger once they're crying."
MistareFusion: And Gohan... and Goku... and Kuririn... maybe even Vegeta.
LOL! this definitely reminds me of Piccolo's reaction to Cell's Kamehameha from DBZ Abridged.
To be fair, all the characters (minus Vegeta) are voiced by women in the Japanese version...soooo maybe that counts?
In hindsight, has any female DB character had a moment of triumphant strength when sad up until this point?
Trunks
It's weird how Toei included a scene of Cell using the Special Beam Cannon, a move that only Piccolo knows, but Piccolo is FAR more surprised by the significantly wider known Kamehameha. If anything, the Kamehameha should've come first, since that scene was in the manga and has to play out, but then he could've been more surprised by the use of his own technique.
@@GleeChan Princess Vegeta.
Considering the Terminator influence on the Cell Arc (Trunks’ design matching John Connor’s somewhat, the date in which the androids are predicted to arrive being similar to when Skynet takes over, etc.), the clear influence here seems to be T2, what with the molten metal/changing forms/passing through objects. Obviously just a small surface level observation but still cute.
Additionally, Nut seems less like the comparative Raditz of the group and more like Ghurd/Guldo. Dies to show the strength of the hero(es), and outclassed by the other posing members of the group.
Always loved the terminator influence , for better or worse . Trunks being more Kyle Reese than John.
I never even considered the liquid metal parallel until now though !!
Not to mention that, including Rild, there are five members of their group, the leader of which has a military rank.
Terminator is first refferanced in the red ribbon army arc.
So Dr. Myuu wipes out a whole planets population yet has the audacity to get mad at the saiyans for the same thing?
It’s called Irony. Foreshadowing, but Baby basically does something similar when he gets to Earth.
@TechnicSky with baby it represents how his revenge consumes him until he becomes what he hates. But for Dr myuu to do it just makes him look like a hypocrite and makes baby less sympathetic.
@@benjaminpeters6729 I guess we do latter on learn that Myuu was also juts a Machine Mutant and so in part at least controlled by his programming which put fixing Bebi at the highest priority.
“It’s okay when I do it”- Dr Myuu probably
Audacity is in high supply these days. It must be on sale or something
I have a theory on the whole "Sexualizing a child" thing, it coincides with the whole "10 years later" myth too:
Notice how on GT itself, the Lood Cult says it's been 20 years since Dolltaki had made a public appearance. However, when you read the GT Perfect Files, it states it's been 15 years instead. Me thinks the series was originally written as being 10 years after Dragon Ball, which would make Pan 14-15 years old. Only for them to retcon it later on to 5 years later, which made Pan go to 9-10 years old. Of course, that doesn't make the character's sexualization any less okay, but it does make it less disgusting.
You're surely right, 99% accuracy I'd bet
Good theory, and when the translations happened they only got the early "10 years timeskip" notes without the corrections.
Probably yeah, and I mean the original Dragon Ball sexualizes Bulma (who was like 16ish) probably even moreso than GT does with Pan.
So some lore editer retroactively turned the writers into lolicon lol
@@mrbanks456 hate when that happens
That kazoo opening 😂
I bought a kazoo just so I could do that. =P
@@MistareFusionPeak priorities.
@@MistareFusionhow much did it cost?
@@Ethiaz12 Well, I wanted to get a somewhat nice one if I was gonna bother buying one at all, so not your typical plastic party favor. I don't think it was any more than $15.
@@MistareFusionwoah get a load of Mistare $15dollar mirliton over here, why don'tcha go join a orchestra huh
"stop trying to make the child sexy"
lmao dunno why but that line cracked me up
Japan: "we dont do that here"
Re: "This guy is stronger than Boo!" Normally I'd be right there with you that it really isn't worth caring about this comparison the way Fans do, but in this specific instance I actually do think it's a bad choice for the needs of the story. Not because Boo's honor has been, like, impugned or whatever, but rather because it's just so obviously unconvincing. Like, do YOU buy, at ANY point, that General Rild poses a greater threat to Goku than Boo did? Because I sure don't! And as a result Goku making that comparison feels distracting and cloying, like a sitcom introducing a replacement character for a suddenly-departed actor and insisting that you will totally love them just the same for realsies! Obviously, the effectiveness of the story does not turn on whether Goku compares Rild to Boo or not? But I do ultimately think all the comparison serves to do narratively is shine a spotlight on how boring and uninteresting Rild is as an antagonist and the show would have been at least SOMEWHAT better off if it hadn't bothered to make it in the first place.
Goku doesn’t even go SSJ3 against Rild. Before anyone says that GT Kid Goku is obviously stronger as a Super Saiyan now than he was seven years ago as a super Saiyan 3, there’s nothing here to suggest he is. In fact, his kid body actually seems to weaken him, as we’ll soon see.
@@bgvo4373 You will see later that Goku is so above the others in just his base form alone that his body getting weaker doesn't matter.
@@Thisdude850yeah, and I hate it.
Yeah,rildo himself is not particularly interesting so the statement Goku makes of him being stronger than buu is meant to make him seem more special than he otherwise should be and where GT's power levels get on z level and not the weak original DB era mooks Goku, pan and trunks were fighting before.
This isn’t unique to GT, this has been a problem since Z, remember when Debora a henchman was being compared to the previous big bad Cell. General Rildo is in the exact same situation.
Whenever they have characters with Super Saiyan forms fight in base, it completely undermines the fight by taking away tension and turning it into a waste of time because you know they aren't even trying at all and can just instantly end the fight.
Plus, it makes the powerscaling skewed, because characters with no transformations have to be on par with them in BASE to fight the same villains.
@@androidsenpai1462 Yeah, that's why I would never make a shonen series with them.
@@reversalmushroom Honestly, I’d just make a shounen series with…well, what Dragon Ball was before Goku’s hair turned gold. Risk-and-reward power ups where appropriate, more creative techniques for weaker characters, and good old fashioned training.
This on top of SS being so mastered by the freaking Cell arc made me lose even more interest in most of the ToP. Specially in the anime where, inconsistent as always, they initially make a point about Goku and Vegeta saving Blue because it wastes too much energy, yet Goku spams it as soon as he ever cans (and recovers energy BY FIGHTING MORE!?)
11:20 Vegeta no waza da!
I wonder if this subplot was inspired by Getter Robo? It’s an older Toei anime which featured a giant robot composed of 3 parts, that can take multiple forms for different occasions, such as flying, fighting with a drill, and having extending arms, sorta similar to Super Mega Cannon Signa. Getter Robo also had a revival a few years before GT came out, and the manga version of that revival introduced a new robot with some powers similar to what Rilld can do, like absorbing a planet into itself. So, if it’s a deliberate reference, that’s kinda neat. Would’ve been better if it was a less lackluster reference, but I guess it’s the thought that counts.
I've consumed so much Getter Robo media that I don't think I could explain it that briefly. ,😅
@@MidoriNatsume I mean, I was just summarizing the stuff relevant to the machine mutant subplot. I wasn’t trying to recap the entire franchise or anything.
maybe the sexual undertones are just misplaced homage (aka bad writing) since bulma did it in the beginning of dragonball, at least its better than the alternative
Not only that but it's not even a normal Dragon Radar, it's one specifically created to find the Black Star Dragonballs that literally nobody knew about.
Piccolo knew about them. Yet, in a logical world he would have used them to wish Majin Boo gone. Rather than be willing to lock himself away forever in the Time Chamber.
@@kevinlee9929 I mean Piccolo created them (in a sense), so it makes sense he'd know. The Black Stars DB were created by Kami when he was harboring corrupt thoughts before he expelled Daimaoh from his body. It doesn't make sense for the rest of the Galaxy to know
@@VideoGameMasters09 I agree with you. Just saying that it's a big logic gap with him knowing that those Dragon balls were right there all along. Yet, deciding to never use them.
@@kevinlee9929 true. It's the downside of making up shit down the line that was supposed to be there 'all along'.
Does it make sense for Pilaf to know how to find them?
Power scaling doesn't usually bug me but like the idea the a weakened Kid Goku could hold his own against someone as strong as Buu in his base form just never made any sense to me.
Like wasn't the whole point of the group being comprised of a weakened Goku, a softened Trunks and the inexperienced Pan that the bad guys didn't NEED to be stronger than the previous ones?
Goku should've said Freiza, with a come back from Gildo saying "I'm honoured be compared to Frieza!"
The idea of comparison is already silly to begin with and only serves to highlight how swallow the power system is, it's all about having the higher number and what's worse is that the all premise of the story was to have weaker protagonists and weaker foes and finally erase this neverending curve of power.
It was stablished that Goku at the beggning of Z was Kid Boo level of power. Which is something they could have ignored, but i guess they wanted it to be consistent. him being a Kid didn't affect that power, so... idk, they could have made Pilaf say he wanted Goku to be Small and Weak or something.
Not really, the whole point of Goku turning into a kid was to repeat the OG dragonball formula with Pan as the Bulma and then was used as an excuse as to why can't Goku use IT so solve the plot right away but that was it as far as points go.
If they really wanted to make it like og db it should have been about beating the enemies with martial arts tactics rather than super sayain.
16:39 EVERYTHING'S CHROME IN THE FUTURE!
That Kazoo was something else brother
14:18 Growing up with the Blue Water dub, They renamed Rildo to General Lock for what I assume to be because Rildo sounds too close to the word "dildo". Still a pretty random name.
Wow! Someone else knows about General Lock!
11:48 Nutt's the Guldo of Mega Cannon Sigma. They're both fat.
I always figured Dr Myuu got all his information on Dragon Balls FROM Giru absorbing the dragon radar/being around the heroes and he hastily adjusted some plans to get them since a wish would be incredibly useful. Giru probably shared the information remotely or something.
When you said that all Goku did was fire a buncha random blasts I immediately went "THAT'S VEGETA'S TECHNIQUE" and right as I said that you called out the same thing with that Buu panel and I shrieked with laughter so I'm glad we're on the same wavelength
Also FUN FACT, DID YOU KNOW: THAT NEZI (or neiji) IS VOICED BY A WOMAN IN ENGLISH. NO REASON WHY SHE JUST IS
no comment on the sexy pan
Ugh. If they were just going to reveal Giru as related to the bad guys, why not have him do something semi-shady up until now? Have Pan catch him in the act at least once and BAM, her abusive behavior is justified up until now. Then it hits better that she finally comes around to trusting him and BAM, nope, your original instinct was correct. DRAMA.
Also double ick on the Pan sexualizing stuff
Yes! Exactly! But then, of course, they undo any of that potential with what I'm covering in the next DBD.
Triple ick on the Pan stuff
@@andrewshearsby8125Quadruple ick with extra pickles.
@@mitchfletcher2386 hold my pickles I hate pickles lol
he coulda been sneakily contacting someone on the ship monitor while the crew were away or something in an extra scene that woulda worked
Im dissapointed but at the same time I cant exactly say im surprised that he has little to say about the most contentious point of GT scaling outside of "Rildo is boring".
"this guy is stronger than Boo", wasnt the whole point of Goku being turned into a kid that he lost most of his powers, so more interesting fights could happen? I think this was the point of no return for GT, they dropped any intention they had in doing something different than Z.
My favorite part is when Pan says "it's lady time" and she ladies all over the robots. One of the moments in Dragon Ball.
"ladies all over the robots" pause
That sounded way grosser than you probably intended. 😂
Kami, even MistareFusion isn’t safe from the Morbius meme…
I always assumed that giyu was looking for planet namek. Namek got destroyed. The galaxy knows this. If there is even a trace of them a probe would be the best way to find them.
12:55 the exception to “I’m not using my full power” not being just a shift in intensity but actually flipping the battle entirely is when the villains do it. And that just makes narrative sense. Dragon Ball often thrives on seemingly unbeatable villains who the heroes must find a way to overcome. Having the HERO do it, on the other hand, just robs the fight of any narrative stakes. Plus… at least in the past, even that isn’t usually jumping from one extreme to the other, when they did this with villains revealing their true power. It’s usually a fight that seems more even, which we then realize the hero is far more outclassed than we knew, often with the hero already seeming like he’s still the underdog even when you thought he had a chance.
Id actually argue that crying makes Vegeta instantly weaker
Going from the anime, it is what got him to turn super saiyan at least
Are we already past the Pan x Deer scene? I never watched GT but that GIF haunted my nightmares
Nope. Not there yet. Just a few more episodes.
Gt staff? Why did you sexualize this 9 year old?
Uh, well, actually, she's not 9, she's 14!
AND??!?!!
pan really should have gone SSJ when she got angry
Maybe Pan's like her dad and doesn't need to turn Super anymore
@@BagOfMagicFood gohan turns SSJ in gT
That was specific to Gohan (and GT and Super basically ignore it). Pan wouldn't have any magic amp.
@TanukiTracks Super quite literally gives it to Vegeta and has Gohan unlock a new form randomly by rage.
11:19
Bejita no waza da!!
A bigger issue of Dr. Myuu’s minions being more powerful then Majin Buu, if they were that freaking powerful why didn’t they already take the Universe by force already rather then through the Dragon balls, other then the Saiyan’s and Dragon team whom are all just on earth who would stop them? Hell they could've just attacked Frieza while he was still alive and killed him and take over his suppose Universe owning Empire, even if they were half as powerful while Frieza was still alive, Frieza would still be an ant in power levels compare to Myuu’s nobody minion’s. So yeah that was something to keep in mind, Frieza has been stated to rule the whole universe already despite not being remotely as powerful as Cell.
@@BigDoont246dub names?he used the Japanese names unless your one of those that calls Frieza freezer or freeza which is just a matter of spelling not entirely new names.
This episode had me laughing out loud a handful of times, especially the bit with the robot voice. Love this series so far!
The fact that this episode somehow managed to make it all the way through production and release without a single person asking the question, "Hey, why do we have a scene where a 9 year old girl seduces a horny robot?", Is mind boggling.
I want to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that they thought it was ok purely because their intent was to pay homage to og Dragonball, with how bulma used her sexuality to get what she wanted. Completely missing the fact that the reason that was less creepy is because she was 16 and thus has far more agency in how she uses her body. Pan is nine so it's just creepy
I wanna say that it's a kid's immature idea of maturity, going off the popular trope all over the movies. Though... yeah...
Maybe the fact Pan is 9 is meant to make the scene funny? Like it's supposed to be absurd since she's too young to be acting this way?
But that's giving the show way too much credit. The writers are just perverts and should probably be put on a list.
Cultural differences and time of writing is the answer here. It was not considered weird or out of place by the people working on the show. I do not think they would release it today, then again it's been only like 2 years ago that I heard Japanese streamers explain the "FBI open up" joke as a western thing to one another
Not sure what is weirder.
Pan here or that the its not even the only time I saw this setup as Sonic X of all damn anime's pulled the same "joke" with 6 year old Cream the Rabbit canonically making Eggman's Robots pedo's
I always repress the part with Pan at the end here, but now I'm reminded of this and the scene with the deer later on and I can only ask why
RIldo is pretty boring but i guess being a solider that only does his job is basically all that he needs to be. I guess being from space the technology made on this planet would be more advance then anything dr gero has.
Hyper Mega Rilldo looks like a Todd McFarland creation.
They're still being creepy asf about Pan to this day...I remember being weirded out by the UR banner for her character in Dokkan
Here's the thing about M2: I always want to like it due to my general affection for robot characters in science fiction, but whenever I visit this portion of GT I'm reminded of how boring and frustrating it is.
After a decently ominous introduction, the Mega Cannon Sigma quartet turn out to be utter chumps, never really demonstrating any interesting fighting tactics or techinques. Nutt only stands out from the rest because he dies first. They opt to combine to combat Goku despire knowing for a fact that his battle power is exponentially greater than theirs (incalculable, even!) so what's the point? Goku remains chipper and unfazed throughout, and it turns out that he could destroy them by simply transforming into a Super Saiyan. Meaning that the dreaded Mega Cannon Sigma put up less of a fight than Ledgic!
And don't even get me started on General Rilld. He has multiple transformations, but they all feel abritrary and thus lacking in any kind of impact either to the narrative or the fight. As though the writers hope to distract from his lack of personality by swapping out his toy every so often. His behaviour once he gets out in the field is just baffling; he's supposed to be the top of M2's pecking order, but all he seems to do is pull his punches and waste time. The reveal that he can encase people in metal AND teleport them away means that he could've just done that to Goku and Trunks whilst they were captive and saved himself a lot of bother.
All I wanted was some cool robot fighters, man.
there's also the scene where a deer nestles all up in Pan's chest.
Creative fight with the 3 combining robots? ...... Hmmm... lemme think.... 3 robots... with 3 forms... 1 that can't fly, but it's effing tanky... 1 mobile and flying form, and 1 with drills? Oh yah... They totally are GETTER ROBOT. Not that creative when you copy one of, if not the, most famous combining robot, in all mecha.
What do you mean? Nuts' role in the fusion if he join was to be come the nut of the robot. Goku woulda been screwed if they waved that enhancement in his face.
I have memories of watching this portion with FUNimation's earlier single DVD releases and apart from being lost on the plot thanks to cutting the earlier episodes, the dub voices and music got so engraved in my brain that watching this video gave me flashbacks to voices I haven't heard in 20 years.
Looking back at it, yeah... Rild was lame and that Boo comparison was asinine even back then.
11:38
"I wonder what his role even is"
Dude, he is called Nuts, I think that answers itself
These episodes are a mess.
And apparently Trunks didn't like his jacket anymore since he never puts it on again. (He still had it when he was captured with Goku in that tower room)
Combined Mega Cannon Sigma reall makes me think of Super Getter Robo with the jet form and a different drill form with a large bulky form
"life jacket armor" 🤣
I don’t think I’ve ever seen this protrayal of his name, but “Rilld” seems like the optimal choice, unless the name’s actually a play on Weird Twitter comedians.
General Intwo
Three robots combining into one that has a drill. Getter Robo reference? Change Getter-2?
19:37: Now it's like "Dragon Ball" in all the wrong ways
The Pan being Errr... Creepy on the robots scene, I blame Bulma, Pan saw her do it one time at capsule corp, better than gouging my eyes out.
Sounds like a bulma thing to do tho I'm pretty sure it's because the writers were trying to make her bulma 2.0 but only the bad traits.
@@ismailkeskinklc5300 yup Bulma's "bad traits" aka what we love about Bulma
@@andrewshearsby8125 by bad ı mean things or habits like using your body to seduce people so that you can get whatever you want, it's in character for bulma but it's really not for someone like pan, like seriously where did she learn these? Surely not from the son house hold and ı really don't think neither chichi, Gohan or videl would be thrilled about it.
@@andrewshearsby8125 I dunno man bulma's a perfect balance between really smart scientist/mechanic that basically moves the plot along and some narcissistic thot who belongs to the streets, if she was just the latter she wouldn't be nearly as good of a character.
@@ismailkeskinklc5300 Bulma is my answer, Bulma is a bad influence
Ah, the 1-year anniversary of the Kazoo Opening. A truly legendary opening theme that has achieved meme status in my mind 🤣
12:10 They being a 3-part red robot that can has 3 modes including one that uses a drill makes me think they were inspired by Getter Robo. They just have a flying mode instead of a tank one.
In regards to why Dr. Mu needs the Dragon Balls, the Perfect Files claim (at least the version I own) that Baby created Dr. Mu (we don’t know how, since Baby was an embryo at the time) and that Baby is at the top of the hierarchy.
Baby needs the Dragon Balls to wish for the planet Tsufuru, so I assume that’s the reason why Dr. Mu is looking for them.
It's like... You can almost feel the writers noticing problems with the scripts, trying to fix them, but only creating more problems...
I actually like Rilld's design. He's not my favorite or anything, but I liked him well enough, and he was a fun boss in the game boy game.
Galaxy and Universe are used interchangeably in Japan
I feel like they tried so hard to make Pan the new Bulma that they just... completely forgot that she's 9 when trying to write "funny" gags for her. She acts more like an angry teenager than a 4th grader.
A “new age” Bulma but far more useless than was with her being only the kid appeal character who needs to be rescued to make Son Goku looks heroic and not the scientist and Fiction 500 Bulma was. She doesn’t work as the sex appeal character for obvious reasons. She more accurately fulfills the role of the Shorttank entry on Tvtropes. With that being, Pan in GT is overall just kind of worthless as a character.
Maybe it's because I watch the English dub, but I personally found General Rildo to be a decently developed character, at least compared to most other Dragon Ball villains.
Most other DB baddies will kill even their own subordinates over the slightest provocation, with maybe the exception of original Piccolo. General Blue kills a guy just for picking his nose. Vegeta kills a Saibaman just because he was slightly holding back against Tien, and then kills Nappa simply because he's no longer useful. Frieza kills the guy who announces the arrival of the Ginyu Force just because he's in a bad mood, and Babidi kills Yamu and Spopovich for literally no reason at all.
Rildo, at least in English, is actually loyal to his subordinates. He rewards Giru with a medal and holds a ceremony in his honor because of his incredible achievement (which, were it not for the fact that he was a triple agent, would indeed be an incredible achievement). When Giru offers up the saiyans' fighting patterns so they can be defeated, Rildo commends Giru again, calling him "useful beyond words." When the Sigma Force is defeated, Rildo is furious, and his subordinates are shitting their pants around him, but he assures them that they have nothing to fear, that only Goku should be afraid.
Also, during that last scene, he speaks with a calm, collected presence, even when he's literally sparking electricity with how angry he is.
His loyalty to his subordinates, and his ability to keep his cool in even the worst situations certainly elevates him above the one-dimensionally evil baddies from the manga.
But again, that might just be the English dub.
Seems there’s a reason nobody really talks about this part of GT.
Like, the villains all seem extremely bland. It feels like it tried to split the difference between the shorter fights of early dragon ball and the more serious tone of ‘Z’ fights, but just ended up with super unmemorable villains.
And the villains, I’m convinced, are the only reason people remember anything in Dragon Ball. There’s a reason more people like the Cooler Movies or the Tree of Power than Bojack or Bio-Broly.
13:18 I love it when the whole ‘cel sliding in’ thing happens. Off the top of my head, there are at least two instances in Z where a character slides into frame:
The Seigasha episode where the gang is waiting for Freeza’s ship to land on Earth. Tenshinhan slides into the shot when he senses Freeza’s ki right before Vegeta scolds him and Yamcha for not suppressing their own ki.
The Studio Live episode where Cell makes his worldwide TV broadcast. Trunks slides into the frame when he tries to calm down the argument between Vegeta and Yamcha.
But yeah, GT-era Last House is somehow generally harder to look at than their work in the back half of Z. Other than the few wonky-looking Doga Kobo episodes, Last House’s work in GT sticks out for all the wrong reasons.
Reminds me of how a gag scene would play out in Season 1 of Pokemon, where a character will slide into frame (complete with comedic sting) to crack a joke or make a funny observation.
Te quiero mucho, MistareFusion ✨
Are you going to talk about the Morishita interview where he basically said that Pan's only role was to be the damsel in distress?
I've never watched GT. An episode or two here and there. Just never heard enough good things or seemed worth it. Then Super seemed to supplant it.
But frankly, these discussion videos, while clearly pointing out flaws...have got me interested in checking it out and seeing how I like the vibe of it.
I at least like that it has a low episode count and that it actually occurs after ALL of DBZ and not just in the 10 year time gap before the epilogue. The perpetual "we haven't reached the end of Z yet" ticking clock of Super has been REALLY annoying.
This is how I would have fixed the Dr. Myuu knowing about the Dragon Balls concept. I would have explained that Myuu was originally the lead scientist who rebuilt Freeza into MechaFreeza. They could have explained that he learned about the DB’s that way, and when Baby made him into a Machine Mutant he decided to look for them. Also I think it would have been interesting to not only see what happened to the Freeza Force, but explain Freeza was the first Machine Mutant prototype.
Yep, those points about Pan might prove my point that the boy at the first episode was probably not intimidate by Pan being strong or whatever, he was probably trying to take advantage of her sexually, he knew that he would just try to hook with her and abandon her, and because of how strong she is, it was not gonna end well for him, so he gave up on doing it and ran away. this sexualization of Pan is weird. that's probably not a coincidence either, i think she was conceptualize to be that way on GT.
What's sadly ironic is that General Rildo did the whole "merge with the planet" bit a lot better than Moro. They had an entire decade to improve upon that concept and didn't realize succeed.
As with Pan yeah they kept dropping the ball with her character. If you are going to try to depict her as sexy at least find an in universe reason to spontaneously age her up by a decade or so which would have tied to her original motivations and upped the creepiness and guilt factor by a few degrees. Not only would have Giru betrayed and used her but he would have also taken away her innocence and childhood in this theoretical scenario which is just inexcusable.
Which is they? Because GT and DBS manga don't have the same writer.
@@Thisdude850 Toei as a whole. There is a solid decade, they really should have done better.
@@andresmarrero8666 toei is animation only. they have no control over what shueisha, the manga publishing company, does.
@andresmarrero8666 Toei had literally nothing to do with the Moro arc...
Trough even then I need to ask, what did Riildo do better than Moro related to planet merging? Moro has an organic reason that leads to that and allows for a climatic and satisfying finale. Riildo is later decimated with a random blast when the story deems him unnecesary, despite the planet merging ability and him capturing them previously without effort.
@@gokunenn4243 Rildo was more interesting in how he used the planet merging ability. That's really it.
I love the idea of something having more twists than Chubby Checker. Only you, lol
Suprised no mention of how similar General Rild is in concept to Metal Coola.
Is there gonna be any baby in this baby arch? Lol.
M2 is a really mixed bag for me. I was mostly bored by it all sadly. You were surprisingly nice about it
This arc is so boriiing
I'm sorry Dbs at least your series is more entertaining
I think I might have mentioned it before, but I think there was an interview with the GT writer where he admitted that Pan was a heroine whose role was to get in danger so she could be saved by Goku. Then again, maybe you were the one who cited that interview and that's where I heard of it. Alternatively, it could've been SomeCallMeMark. On a different note, Rild kinda reminds me of Metal Cooler in his last form.
On the topic of Rild, I suppose it's a question of which version of Buu he's stronger than. It's kinda weird to have some guy out there stronger than the guy who terrorized the universe to the point the Kais felt the need to step in, but Pure Buu/Kid Buu was the weakest form and gave Goku a good run for his money. The idea that someone could be stronger than that while not necessarily being stronger than Super Buu w/ Gohan and Pals absorbed isn't unreasonable I guess.
Random thought. Couldn’t they just maybe give an explanation that Giru was sent to Imeega to steal Don Kiya’s monetary resources for Mu’s goal of Machine Mutant conversion, either as regular funding, metallic building material or perhaps just sustenance stock for his soldiers as shown by Giru, they need to eat? And because the trio were there, Giru had to act on the fly and abort his mission.
It will never not be a shame that Pan's big emotional outburst wasn't punctuated by her also going Super Saiyan. I mean, the whole scene is full of golden energy even.
Then again, it's even more of shame that to this day, she has still never officially gone Super Saiyan, not even in Dragon Ball Heroes where new transformations are handed out like candy.
The only consolation would be if maybe like the head-canon Goten and Trunks inherited the ability to effortlessly reach Super Saiyan because their father had already achieved the form, maybe Pan inherited her father's ultimate unlock and so she doesn't need to transform.
yeah i still dont know why she hasnt gone super saiyan to this day (nor why adult gohan hasnt gotten to do potara fusion with goku in htese games like buu saga teased)
Probably Toriyama being lowkey sexist.
@@cryguy0000: Admittedly, Toriyama is on record saying he never drew Pan as a Super Saiyan because he couldn't figure out what she'd look like... which is a lame excuse, considering it should have been as simple as making her hair blond and spikey.
However, Toriyama's only involvement in GT was drawing the initial character reference art. Which should have had zero bearing on Pan going Super Saiyan later in the series. If there is blame to be had, it's mostly on Toei, since by this point in the series all the art design was being done by their own in-house staff.
@@EmeralBookwise I imagined Super Saiyan Pan doing the Teen Gohan thing. Judt making the hair gold and getting rid of the loose strands. I think it'd look pretty cool
I personally find the whole queen bee mishap to be a source of missed potential. She wanted adult responsibilities and now has to look after a large portion of a hive who chose her because she has the potential to be a great leader as well as whoever they pick up such as that large beetle from the same planet, some Zelda looking people, a couple of cultists, and now some non traitorous robots.
Yes Disney/Lucasfilm everything is connected and makes perfect sense😅.
Like the kazoo cover alot. More kazoo covers of dragonball songs please!
On the last episode, Virginia acted demicky and so now Google and Kristan Stewart must fight!
Both the Sigma Force and Rildo are massive references to my favorite types of mecha anime, but it's boring as fuck, so I'm constantly conflicted as to whether or not I like it.
I don't really care about the Pan thing. I tend not to in fiction. It's whatever to me. Yea the battles here are not terribly interesting. Pan storming the same tower so many damn times really doesn't help. Oh I can't wait until you get to the point that tries to tie everything even further. Yea GT is all over the place with it's concepts. It can't ever seem to make up it's mind.
I was thinking about ya. Nice to have another video
ngl i think this episode has really cool aspects. Pan being the main character, the cool phasing through metal power; a very unique power that sounds like it's out of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. on an unrelated note, i found your robot voice joke really funny.
i really wish Pan could of like. succeeded alone. lol. though the episodes past the first one spoke about are indeed questionable, it's sad that GT can't seem to be good multiple times in a row.
There's this guy on UA-cam called "Villainous Warlord" who did a two part video ranking GT's villains, t's pretty good, the guy's fun to listen to. I'm telling you this because even though you don't like General Rilldo and I'm sure you couldn't be convinced to like him (Heck, I don't care about him either) VW's video is a good showing of why somebody would like him as a character, and it's fun to see other sides of the coin when it comes to opinions about GT
Watch your review of this part of the story it's fun to notice what I remenber and what I don't remenber.
Is Baby going to break the record of latest arrival for a villain who's named after the arc ? as Cell was in part 8 and Buu in part 13 ?
Unlikely. He should either appear in the next part or the part after that. GT isn’t that long.
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11:13 That’s Vegeta’s technique!
I like the ego after the kazoo opener.
Yall you didn’t dislike the cybrog mutants, you did find most of them boring. Suprised you liked Nuts!
Better than Super
wait, everyone was naked!!!!! MY EYES
You even see Goku's dick in the opening every episode!
I think we all know what nutz fusion role would have been
dr myu? dr moo .... two many brains conflicting with each other or too small brain
Hit is better than rildo
The start of M-2 was when the show actually started getting interesting for me, and yet of course, the writers still found a way to turn a situation where pan had to be the hero, into being a damsel.. again.. one step forward three steps back.
Hope you're having a great start to your week Lance, are you/did you go to comic con this year? I just went for my first time yesterday here in Texas, it was great!
Glad you had fun. I am going to New York Comic Con this fall!
Joie de vivant?
Didn't you mean "joie de vivre"?
Those are 2 similair yet different things.
I'm not going to pretend my French pronunciation was accurate (although I did listen to several pronunciations before I tried), but I can't imagine it landed on an "ant" at the end. It was definitely intended to sound like joie de vivre. =P
@@MistareFusion Well can't blame you for not being able to. As a french person, I too have hard time pronuncing some english words the right way.
Rild being stronger than Boo hurts because it puts a nail in a coffin of any attempt to say that Goku being a kid scales him back. Instead he's violenty thrusted forward powerwise past his greatest feat in his adult life after some silly goofing around.
5:45 could be the chassis was meant for a patrol model and he just read its part id number
As bland as it was, I did sort of remember the goku vs. Rildo fight. What I didn't remember was the creepy stuff they did here with Pan... ewww
I loved the robot voice part lol