It was all framed by the world government, Roger and garp teamed up to fight figarland and the world government but garp couldn't be fired or killed after that because he was too strong
I question Garp Justice, dude isn't a hero, like why is he still working under evil CD, does he do anything to stop the CD from toying with human life? He does nothing, sure he refused the Admiral position but still doesn't change the fact that he does nothing to stop the CD evil. Like the moving road on the holy land. Did he do anything to help those people? And the innocent people that were forced to be CD slave. So yeah Rocks could be the good guy all along and Garp was just the CD bish protecting them.
Garp definitely made a deal with the celestial dragons to never conduct a god valley event again. That's their deal in garp saving the celestial dragons from the rocks pirates.
yeah, that's maybe the reason too for Roger don't accept the offer from Lion Shiki to alliance to destroy world government. Even he is near of the death because his illness.
While I see that as a good twist, most celestials are so arrogant that they would order garps execution just for trying to bargain like he’s on even close to the same “importance”.
God Valley is what gave Garp his clout in the first place. Plus this seems like more of a Roger deal to me. Like, he saved them once, but if they ever pull this shit again, next time he’ll be the one to slaughter them.
We see some treasure chests along with the CD introducing the tournament: potentially we could have Kaido's, Ivankov's and Kuma's DF theres as trophies. And of course the chest where baby Shanks was hidden in.
@@xxmension04xx47yeah. Out of all possibilities, Gomu Gomu no Mi (or should I say, Hito Hito no Mi model Nika) is the most impossible option. We are talking about a fruit that the Gorosei wants to get SO MUCH, but the fruit itself keep avoiding them. They want it so they can keep it from being awakened. There is no way they give it to anyone lol
One thing I saw being hypothesized was, what if Gaimon's island used to be one of the islands that had Celestial Dragons' version of The Dangerous Game? In the manga chapter, we see six treasure chests. In the chapter with Gaimon, Luffy climbs up to the top of the cliff face and there are six empthy treasure chests. We have no idea how long they've been sitting there for. One thing that we're probably not going to get any time soon is the bridge town that Robin was sent to. We know that hundreds of years ago the Celestial Dragons wanted it built. We still don't know why or for what purpose. Probably not going to be brought up here, but there are definitely a lot of Celestials who could bring it up for some random reason. I am curious to see when the Devil Fruits are introduced to Ivankov and Kuma.
@@neltins5308i dont think it has to be roger being "evil". We know that roger was NOT a "good guy" like the strawhats are, seeing as what he did to squard's crew. He thinks like a classic pirate probably. Saw the opportunity to get rid of xebec and took it
I think Dragon is going to be on God Valley. As a World Noble, I think Garp's wife/partner is/was a Celestial Dragon, who may have temporarily lived with Garp on Dawn Island (how Dragon wad born there as he told Sabo) but they were invited to the "hunt", possibly not knowing what it was, and Dragon witnessing this atrocities of the Nobles causes him to abandon his status. This betrayal of a Celestial could be why Dragon is so despised by the WG, more so than Ivankov or Kuma who are co leaders with Dragon of the Revolutionaries.
@@Ranjithkumar-vn1bd also dragon is a D , why would celestial dragons allow him to live among them ? also GARP was never a celestial dragon, so how can his son be one ?
Can I just appreciate that whenever Queen shows up in that stupid Zoom Zoom pose, he's animated. As opposed to everyone else in the same scene just standing static. It's just such a wonderful small touch. Also, what if Kuma gets his fruit on the Island and that's how he escapes? Maybe it is given to him as mentioned in the video, but I feel that he, Iva and Jinny stumbling on it when all hell breaks loose on the island when the clash between the different factions occurs - with their DESIRE to escape their fate being so strong - it finds its way to them is much more appropriate for the whole "Devil Fruits sometimes have their own wills" and "Devil Fruits are born out of desire". So Kuma eats it and zooms them all off the island and to safety.
@@FNCSBossBabypretty sure kaido and big mom would had a bigger surprise of the fruit if that was the case. They said it hasn’t reawakened in hundreds of years.
@andrew-rn9ui the yami Yami has already been heavily implied that it chose blackbeard and by his actions its obvious he's following rocks plan so I think xebec had Yami. Now before anyone is like why is noone suprised and stuff, well kaido and big mom haven't really seen blackbeard in action at all. The only one that saw it and it's probably the reason why they were so happy they found xebecs fruit was whitebeard.
Dragon was probably in the marines, but if anything Garp insisting that Luffy and Ace become marines seems more like a consequence of his son being the most wanted man in the world rather than Garp telling all of his descendants to become marines from the beginning
joyboy was most definitely a buccaneer. the large straw hat that emu has and the fact that the tale of sun god nika has been past down through the buccaneers for most probably 800 years, it makes perfect sense to me lol
@@whitebwoi Kuma is maximum 1/4 giant and it's probbly smaller than that considering we don't know how much giant his dad had. A half human half giant should have a hat that size. The giants we have seen are much bigger right?
I wonder if Rocks D. Xebec claimed/thought he was JoyBoy and thus was treated as the world's biggest threat to the World Government. That could be how he got all of those big shots to follow him and he maybe sparked Kaidos obsession with JoyBoy.
I don't think Dragon completely abandoned Luffy, but he knew his family would be hunted down like Rogers so he likely had some eyes on Luffy watching at points. Likely also why he was there and able to save Sabo, he already knew Sabo was Luffys friend, and how he knew his son was in Loguetown so he could show up and stop Smoker.
It's hard to pin down how human Garling is. On one hand he doesn't think twice about killing slaves and probably enjoys it since he's in the killing game, but on the other hand, Shanks was put in that chest most likely to keep him safe. Granted it could have been his mother that did that, not Garling. Garling could even be an uncaring older brother instead of a parent, he looks pretty young in the flashback after all
Just a quick question. I know it's almost confirmed they are related since they look identical but as a manga anime only I don't think shanks has been confirmed as a figarland canonically. Feel free to correct me if I've forgotten/missed something.
@@jackpatey6471One piece Film red reveals Shanks as part of The Figarlands family, and It's been told that Film red is half canon, the event in it wasn't canon, but the reveals was. So Uta, Her df, Her connection to shanks, Shank's connection to Figarland and also the Island where the movie sets in is canon, but the movie itself isn't. Kinda like Strong world, Shiki and his jailbreak's canon, but his Floating island plan wasn't
@@jackpatey6471 No, you're right. It's never explicitly been stated in the manga that Shanks is a Figarland, but in Film Red Uta was assumed to be a Figarland because she was thought to be Shanks's biological daughter. Granted you should always take info from the movies with a grain of salt, but the fact that Oda himself worked on the script and mentioned that name specifically really points towards that info being true
It could just be that garling gave up his own son (or brother/nephew depending on how they’re related) as one of prizes for winning the God Valley Tournament. I think Oda is capable of making a dark plot twist like that.
Rocks D Xebec = Monkey D dragon...Rocks was originally written as Rox which in japanese is also a chinese word for Hei Long which means Black Dragon...so Rox Xebec could mean Black Dragon Boat, which dragon has...also their appearances are very similar and fans have always tried to connect them in some way
I liked the idea that the chests we see that are the prizes for the hunt could be all devil fruits that eventually end up in the hands of various people in One Piece. It’s probably where Kaido’s fish fish fruit came from eh.
Whitebeard had his fruit. What he got was the Phoenix fruit. All the future yonko got mythical zoans. The prizes for the Celestial dragons who won the slave hunting tourney.
you bringing up the idea of Joyboy having a buccaneer & lunarian in his crew made me think...what if he had a buccaneer & lunarian as vice captains in roles similar to sanji & zoro
i have another theory, Maybe the Rocks pirates came there to hunt the celestial dragons instead of the celestial dragons hunting the people and their slaves, dragon was on the crew of rocks pirates like a young shanks and a young blackbeard. But rocks wanted to take the slaves for himself which lead garp and roger to defeat the rocks pirates. Dragon on the other hand recruited the slaves on his team and guided them as a leader and being with the rocks pirates he had the same goal of defeating the celestial dragons for his companions as well as for some other reason.
In the grand scheme of things, I think, we are getting the Roger's flashback as chunks of story relevant flashback from Wano and out. First, it was Oden's tale, which told us the most we knew about Roger to date, then, we have Kuma's story, which will expound on the God Valley incidence of Roger's story. Perhaps another grand story in Elbaf, and then, the final leg of Roger's journey told as back story at Laughtale. If that is Oda's plan, it is brilliant storytelling.
I have 2 predictions for how Bonney will be saved from Garcia/the firing range. My softball guess is that Kums will arrive on the island and save her somehow. My bigger, "all-in" guess is that he will specifically do this by landing directly into Garcia, bodily, like a meteor, freeing her from his grip.
Rocks turning out to be a luffy like character someone that just randomly shows up no nolage of enything and then tried to save the hole contry because some random little girl gave him food
I remember Boa Hancock mentioning to Luffy that she and her sisters were forced to eat their fruits by the Celestial dragons for their entertainment when they wereslaves which seemed odd to me at the time. Like what kind of entertainment do you get now that this girl can petrify people? A hunger games style event makes this make some kind of sense now. I don’t know if it is possible for Hancock to have been at God Valley chronologically speaking so just a thought of mine.
1. St Saturn hasn’t been on the surface in a long time 2. St Saturn mentioned with surprise that Luffy’s crew work together 3. They were on god valley 38 years ago. 4. God valley is attached to Rox intimately. 5. I genuinely believe we’re going to see a bit of history here that defines Kuma’s life, the god-valley incident, and solidifies the World Nobles as the true bads of the series
My theory is Rocks came to God Valley to kill the Five Elders (not knowing Imu existed) to become king of the world. Rocks had the dark-dark fruit and the Celestials couldn't fight him because all their warriors used Devil Fruits to fight and they are powerless against Xebecs. Meanwhile, Roger lands on God Valley opposite the Celestials and Xebecs merely to try to escape Garp's harassment, or maybe he was planning to steal from the Celestials, but find themselves dragged into the battle because they are the only experts at Haki.
Anyone else see the scar over Kuma's dad's left eye while he was talking about Nika? Is Kuma a D? Or how Vegapunk was just as shocked as everyone else to learn Kuma was a Buccaneer? If even Vegapunk didn't know Kuma's heritage then that means something. How about Saturn talking about Bonnie and Luffy's fate as though it were a physical force? He took a pot shot at Luffy to see what would happen and what happened? Some random force came out of nowhere and saved his rubber ass! A literal Deus ex Machina! Whatever 'Fate' surrounds Luffy is something Saturn is intimately aware of 👀
I've always thought Rocks was the father of Dragon and that Garp adopted Dragon after killing his dad. This would explain why Rocks looks exactly like Dragon smiling and why Dragon went for the revolution. It would tie everything together. This would mean that Luffy is actually Rocks grandson, being the legacy of all 3 legends (Garp's education, Rocks' blood, Roger's dream).
@@fuzzbutthead8597that's true aswell ! But we still don't know Luffy's mom so maybe she was the daughter of Garp... Idk. There's still many plotholes but Dragon looks exactly like Rocks, not like Garp and we know for a fact that Luffy is Dragon's son. Again the God valley, the revolution, Rocks and Dragon are too tied together for it to be a coincidence
I'm thinking Rocks will show up either because he knew about the manhunt or he will learn about it upon his arrival and think the person who kills the most on the island will own God Valley so he will just start slaughtering celestial dragons. The marines(garp) and Roger will show up to save people like luffy would.
Most Dangerous Game is a bit different than God Valley, that book, for anyone curious, is more about a man that has reached the peak of hunting and danger. He’s hunted every big game you can think of so now he is left bored with life, deciding to reclaim that feeling of danger by hunting humans. If anything he’s more like Aizen from Bleach or a dark version of Saitama from One Punch Man
The Buccaneer thing has caused me to reevaluate a number of super strong characters. Like Whitebeard. Could he have been part Buccaneer? Or even Big Mom? She was a huge, powerful child just like Kuma was. Could there be other Buccaneers or other tribes too?
What if Monkey D Dragon was considered the most dangerous man alive because at first they thought he had eaten the Nika Nika fruit besides also knowing secrets about the Marines, God valley and the World Nobles.
Dragon is a good father. Dragon is the most wanted man on Earth, but he made sure that his son wasn't going to be found and used as a hostage. Dragon gave Luffy the ability to decide how he wanted to live by not being there. And when Luffy did decide how he wanted to live his life, Dragon was there to protect him and see him off. Dragon believes in his son and kept track of all Luffy's adventures, which is why he know how to find him.
I'm not seeing anyone mention how crazy this makes Sabo's feat of escaping ALL 5 elders. This either is a great feat for Sabo or maybe they let him go on purpose🤔. A very interesting situation to look back on nonetheless...
The idea with the world nobles having sexual dimorphism of hotness may be that the culture is different. Women are more wicked in terms of their vanity, while men compete over their indulgences?
My prediction about god valley is that Rocks probably wanted to take the slaves for himself while harming/overthrowing the celestial dragons (basically taking their place). And Roger and Garp worked together to stop him from taking slaves. Also, Dragon may have been a young Marine at the time (~17 or luffys age) and saw the atrocities that the celestial dragons are doing for the first time with extermination of populations and hunting slaves. He probably can’t forgive the marines for protecting them this whole time, which is why he left. He probably also recruited a bunch of slaves and god valley citizens while harming some celestial dragons in the process. This is probably why he was at Rogers execution because he respects Roger for protecting the slaves from Rocks.
There is one panel in the chapter at the start of the flashback. Kumas parents hold their hands over the new born Kuma, who raises his right hand to them. His baby hand is definitly smaler than his mothers, so I would guess that at birth Kuma was fairly normal human-baby sized but becuase he is half Bucaneer he grew exponatioally fast. As to how his parents did the deed, you see, penetration is optional.
Yeah you know someone is a virgin when they only think babies are made with intercourse just because someone is big does not mean their thing going to be huge as well.
I think the "proportion don't match" argument could be explained with Hierarchical proportion (wikipedia for reference), wich is something Oda did since early stages of the manga, especially in panels depicting warlords and the earliest blackbeard appearences
There is probably a special trait that the buccaneers have that separates them from the larger humans. Near the end of 1095 its mentioned they have giants blood, which is interesting point to make. Also I think Bonney is Kuma's biological daughter in some way, but she didn't directly inherit the buccaneer gene, hence why she appears like a normal human. Although when she used distorted future her body warped into what I now believe is a timeline where she did inherit the buccaneer gene.
I've had this illogical idea stuck at the back of my head for years that maybe Luffy and Bonnie are secretly siblings, but biological siblings. I mean, we've already gotten all kinds of absurd family reveals from Luffy, like a grandfather who's part of an enemy faction, a father who's a notorious criminal, a badass older brother, and a returning sibling that was believed to be long dead. So why not a previously completely unknown sister? I feel like that's all Luffy needs to hit "Secret Family Bingo". Seriously though, I can almost see this being a thing. Like Dragon has two kids, separates them from himself for their safety, gives one to his father and another to his trusted friend and insists neither tell his kids about him. His dad ends up being a real hands off father figure so the son ends up latching onto the coolest guy he meets while the daughter ends up growing really attached to the friend and she ends up seeing him as her real father. I know there's almost no chance this pans out, but I've never been able to shake the idea that Luffy and Bonnie are connected in some way beyond their dads just working together.
haha interesting thought... lets not forget that bonney still is a chiild about 10 years younger than luffy.. does not make your theory wrong but i had to mention it..
Idk. They both have weirdly similar obsessions with food. If bonny is constantly changing her age maybe that affects her hunger since she's constantly changing her size. But I do like the idea conceptually. The thought of dragon leaving one kid to Kuma and Vegapunk and one to Garp makes sense. If she looks more like their mother and luffy resembles dragon, and if the world government knows dragon and luffys mom were involved, then two kids living together under garp that look identical to both of them would not only expose the children, but put garp in the governments crosshairs.
@@gerhino7892 Wait, was it actually confirmed that Bonnie is a literal child? Because I could've sworn that was still just people theorizing that was the case because Saturn called her a child and I haven't heard anyone confirm it yet. But even if she is a child, it doesn't really change anything, since we haven't seen anything in regards to Luffy's mom at all (as far as we know), meaning they could still be related through Dragon, but have different mothers.
Rocks is certainly the villain here but just with a different role than we originally thought, every character talks about him in an unpleasant way and I’ve never been so excited for a character introduction since Kaido!
I think the twist is that Rocks wanted to indiscriminately attack the Celestial Dragons (including their children), and that pushed Roger to intervene and help Garp.
So crazy theory i just came up with. The ringed eyes could be an effect of Imus fruit on people. Like shes capable of ordering you to do certain tasks and while your being controlled you have the ringed eyes. Going with the devil theme perhaps its a pact/deal with the devil type scenario. Might explain the weird situation with cavendish.
It's interesting that shanks and Blackbeard are only a year apart in age. Blackbeard is probably a baby/toddler at this point. Potentially with an origin connected to god valley as well.
My current theory is, and we will see how future chapters pan out, The Rock Crew was the OG Strawhat crew and Rocks had the Nika fruit. After the God Valley incident, he, as well as the rest of the crew, were vilified, and some (Kaido and Big Mom) went down a darker path as history was changed to make the World Nobles seem like the victims and the Rocks Pirates the villains. Kinda like how the government might spin vegapunks death if he does indeed die on Egghead.
This would imply that Roger's actually is evil, which is weird, since Roger admired Joy boy, meaning anyone who follows Joyboy's footstep should be someone roger would agree with, yet if this is true, why does he fight against rocks ?
@user-dn3el1vi4f Maybe, maybe not. It's one of a few holes in my theory, admittedly. My only idea is that his actions on God Valley were also altered. Perhaps he merely saw it as a way to fight someone strong or maybe Rocks was going too far. Maybe it was the governments way of forcing Garp to be the hero and Roger more infamous to overshadow and essentially erase Rocks. IDK but it could be interesting:)
@@drake34766 It is quite tricky, the words of the world government is the least trustworthy words in one piece, It might be interesting to think maybe Roger was tricked into fighting against rocks, or maybe roger wasn't even planning to fight rocks but was just an unlucky bystander who the marines put the blame on. Still a pretty interesting theory
I am not sure the extent of what is going to happen but I think the God Valley incident is going to show exactly why Garp refuses all promotions and is reluctant to talk about everything that happened. I think the world nobles convinced him to do something that he deeply regrets and part of it may even be stopping the Rocks Pirates.
So I never realized it till you mentioned Kuma's child picture in this video but Kuma's picture is almost certainly referencing a japanese statue you'd see at schools of Ninomiya Kinjiro. A man carrying a bundle of sticks and reading a book. I'm sure heaps of people were already aware but it's a neat detail that I'm glad I now notice. Not sure if that bears (haha) much meaning here but I think it likely points to Kuma's drawing as a child be more a representation of his character rather than an actual image of him as a child.
Ive been saying for years I think Rocks is more of a peacemain than a morganeer! It seems more and more like thats the case, i cant imagine someone with enough will to put together a crew of those legends thru will alone losing a fight. Homie has to have hella charisma
I am starting to think that maybe the best of the best are occasionally invited to join the World Nobles. That might be what they are doing with York. A warrior ascending to the level of God. This could be what the intention with York was. Maybe York knew it was possible if you provide them something valuable enough. If this is the case, they may have slowly bred families of the strongest warriors in the world.
I think there's more to Buccaneers than just "big" - note that both Kuma and his dad specifically have enormous, stocky bodies on comically thin and short legs. Bonney also assumes a similar look when she uses her "distorted future" form on Vegapunk (maybe an alternate timeline where she inherited more of the Buccaneer genes from her dad?).
To my mind, that Marine's head exploded with a really powerful burst of Haki. If you think about it, the leaders of the WG exerting their tyrannical rule over the world are literally "conquerors" so it would make sense to have extremely powerful Haki. Also the panels where, Saturn does that thing with his eyes, especially the panels where he speaks and tells the Marines to shut up is reminiscent of luffy "stop" haki burst, and then you see Bonney kinda fainting and falling before he catches her, and how Sanji was knocked back.
In this most recent chapter is really stood out to me that when Saint Saturn was holding Bonnie. He said something along the lines of "why do Human Beings try so hard" and I think it's super important he said Humans as if he isn't one
My predictions for god valley: The rocks pirates show up on god valley to claim the ‘prizes’ from the hunt, which are devil fruits. While simultaneously taking revenge on the world nobles for all of their collective suffering. They all get their devil fruit powers there, and then disband once they get what they wanted/when rocks in defeated. Gold D Roger and his crew are there for the same thing potentially, to claim the Nika nika fruit. Rocks pirates begin to overwhelm the marines and nobles so they turn to the Roger pirates and give them a vital key to finding laughtale in exchange for their help.
I'm weirdly starting to hope that Rocks could be, if not a good guy, an extremely charismatic guy you can't help but root for against the World Nobles. That would make it pretty tragic when the top marine on the island teams up with Rocks up and coming rival to take him down. But I really REALLY doubt that's going to happen because Rocks has been portrayed as evil looking so chances are he'll ultimately be evil, wanting to subjugate people, like Kaido or Big Mom, rather than being like if a guy like Whitebeard decided to take on the World Government head on.
I don't know how it did not occur to me yet that Bonney can counter Luffy G5 weakness and turn him into young from the old guy. That might just happen in the next chapters especially if Kuma arrives so that Kuma can see the sungod once before he dies.
Jinny is Portgas D. Rouge because freckles. The Celestial Dragons brought 6 chest with Devil Fruit to the God Valley as prizes and Rocks D. Xebec could have sailed to the God Valley because of them! The devil's fruit of Kaidou is right here as well as possibility devil's fruits of Ivankov, Kuma and Whitebeard! And only Oda knows what other devil's fruits! Maybe Crocodile's? Or Inazuma's? Or even Morley's! Commander of the West Army in the Revolutionary Army is like the oldest newkama. Morley could have recruited Ivankov into the newkama, and Ivankov would later recruit Morley into the revolutionaries. Also if Figarland Garling is the Champion of the God Valley then Big Mom and the others stole from him!
Blackbeard's presence (or rather, part of his fleet) is important, but I get the feeling like the fact that they're there is a red herring for now. Oda's narrative maneuvers are very deliberate. They remind me of Andrew Hussie.
I think given the Kuma and Ivankov situation, AND SABO, and the fact that Dragon talks with Garp frecuently (Dragon told him he met Luffy at Logue Town without delay) and based on the very words he has said in reference to Luffy, he clearly, without doubt knows about Luffy having the Nika fruit
I think what really happened on GodValley, is that Imu didn't actually destroy it, but instead it was the powerful shockwaves of the fighting from Rocks, Garp, Roger, Big Mom, and Whitebeard. I mean when you think about it, they are incredible powerful in their own rights, so imagine putting all of these powerful monsters together and allowing them to go all out on each other, this would have been powerful enough to make the entire island unstable, maybe even unstable enough that it could just fall over on its own and get destroyed completely. Or the other possibility is that it was caused by Whitebeard's Gura Gura fruit, remember what Sengoku said? "His Devil fruit is strong enough to destroy the entire world". So it's also possible that the cause of disappearance of God Valley is that Whitebeard may or may not have over done it, But its also possible that was caused by a Buster call as a last resort to whip out the Rocks pirates, combine that with unbelievable strength of the ones fighting on the Island, the results would be phenomenal.
As soon as they labeled Luffy as a terrorist I figured good and evil were flipped and those labeled as "terrorist" were really people trying to liberate others from the tyranny.
Something to remember is that both Whitebeard and Big Mom were a part of Rock's crew. Coupled with what the Celestial Dragons were doing, he is really looking like the good guy in this situation.
I dont see how BM has anything to do with being good. WB, sure. On the other hand we have Kaido and BM having no real issues with slaves. And blackbeard bing connected to Rocks.
@@Feja2503 Big Mom sees herself as an altruistic person and her end goal is basically equality. She would not join a crew if they did not share her ideals. That is why she beat up Page One.
Garling couldn't have given Whitebeard those scars that ache, because the Oden flashback takes place after God Valley and he didn't have any scars then.
Dragon can't be ex-marine, our first introduction to Reverie back in Drum had everyone talking about him has if he sprung out of nowhere with a super mysterious past (and if he was a marine everyone would know that the son of the hero had joined). And didn't he form the revlutionaries *after* the destruction of Ohara? That's quite some time after God Valley so my guess is that Dragon isn't part of this flashback. And sure we all know that the Figarland family, at least as far as Shanks' dad goes, work with the upper echelon of the world nobles but has it ever been stated that they are world nobles themselves? They might just be servants, maybe as you said due to being "mere" half noble.
Garp becomes the hero of the marines because of God Valley. If dragon was already a recruit and quits after then it's likely people wouldn't find out about him, especially considering how details get manipulated in the news
@@rake667 Garp would still be known enough within the organisation that if his son joined rumors would spread, and the marines does background checks on people wanting to join. Even if he by some chance had manipulated the background info just by joining there would be more info on him than the absolute zero they had when talking about him during the reverie when Vivi was a child.
Do you remember Bajran Gun? The massive hit Luffy finished Kaido with? Well, i want to see him punching Saturn with a Bajran Gatling to throw him to the see and drown him, and use that moment to escape.
I think Rocks and his crew showed up to God Valley, decided to spitefully enter the hunt, and added their own point system for Celestial Dragons. Wouldn’t be surprised if Rocks propositioned it as “winner takes all”, and the full of themselves Celestial Dragons accepted.
I think Rocks really did have intentions to free the slaves. I think Roger and Garp had no issue with the slaves being freed and actually agreed with it, but they probably both mutually agreed that if it did happen, it would’ve caused absolute chaos and probably plunge the world into destruction. So for the sake of the greater good, Roger and Garp begrudgingly agreed that they had to stop Rocks.
I would finally like to find out in this flashback why Kuma carries a Bible all the time(when we first met him), as it was initially the only distinguishing feature between him and the Pacifista, in fact, I don't think he's had a Bible in his hands since Thriller Bark... Maybe he brought it for protection against the supernatural?
The protection on Thriller Bark would be a neat idea, honestly that might have been symbolism at the time. Or that Kuma came to "exorcize" Thriller Bark, and the whole removing Luffys pain onto Zoro thing. I was also thinking what if its because the Buccaneer clan/race believed in Sun God Nika so heavily. Perhaps Kuma clings heavily to that belief. The Bible and cross is typically seen as a Christian motif but holy books and crosses are prevalent in lots of religion. In OP it could literally be a holy book for any religion more specifically the Sun God/other God Fruit Gods.
here is a dumb thought, what if Dragon is Rocks? figure we have Bonnie's fruit in play somewhere on God Valley, Rocks attacks and is seriously wounded and because he liberated them the fruit holder regresses him back to being a child to save his life, Roger takes Shanks and Garp takes little Rocks.
What if there is no Xebec? Just as how we've seen X-Drake and Corazon be undercover marines, what if the captain of the Rocks pirates is an undercover marine (Garp)? Legend of Xebec dies the same day that the legend of Garp was born.
I don't get it, I'm pretty sure two people just have to love each other very much and the stork (or Megastork in the case of giants and larger babbies) brings some offspring soon after. Exceptions like Ace confirm the rule.
What id it god valley was all framed, lemme cook here, garp and roger teamwd up not to fight rocks but they teamed up to fight figarland and the world government after rocks and his crew was beaten standing up to the world government??????? And then because of how impoetant it eas too keep this quite they framed it up as garp as the hero who teamed up with roger to fight and defeat rocks?? I truly believe this would be amazing if this was the truth
Speacking about Celestial dragon I realised we had similar kind of people used to live in our country. Who said that walking the same path they do is a sin, if we touch them it is a sin, and if we drank the same water from the common water bodies it is a sin 😂😂😂😂😂😅
The women are more beautiful than the males because men are more prone to genetic disorders. Women have XX and men have XY. Therefore have an extra X chromose that replaces more defective genes than a male. I don't think Oda did that on purpose but, the science works out lol 😂
Ok so saturn is also a roman god, as well as all the the rest of the gorosensei... something interesting i found is that saturn was the god of TIME and also LIBERATION as well as other thing... i think this is important 🤔
I mean, Luffy didn’t originally set out to Wano to help Kin’emon and Momonosuke. He had to go there in the first place to find the Road Poneglyph. Rocks may have had a plan, but ended up helping the people in need to help his plan succeed
I don’t think Bonnie is a clone of Gennie but Gennie who had her memory erased by Kumas power. That’s why they refer to her as a little girl because she has no memory past being a small child.
Oda is genius of Geniuses when it comes to world building. Like we got luffy on the ground Saturn going wild....aaaand. The best flashback ever. Its so good honestly
I feel like Dragon, having the title of most wanted man in the world, is probably gonna have some massive role in the God Valley incident that was covered up. Maybe not, but either way dudes bounty is probably like 999 trillion and theres no way he couldve kept a child with him and raised it while sights were on him at all times
Something that's breaking my mind right now is how did Kuma become the king of Sorbet and who's the old woman Queen Connie who Bonnie resembles in her old state. Oda has a lot of threads to unravel My best guess is that Jinny is the princess of sorbet and will escape with Kuma and grow up and marry and have Bonney who looks like her mother and grandmother when changing her age
Think about it. Rocks being a liberator like Luffy would be a great plot twist. But why would Roger and Garp fight Rocks in the first place?
plot twist: roger was evil
It was all framed by the world government, Roger and garp teamed up to fight figarland and the world government but garp couldn't be fired or killed after that because he was too strong
@@FNCSBossBabyI think this one probably the truth of this incident
Propaganda
I question Garp Justice, dude isn't a hero, like why is he still working under evil CD, does he do anything to stop the CD from toying with human life? He does nothing, sure he refused the Admiral position but still doesn't change the fact that he does nothing to stop the CD evil. Like the moving road on the holy land. Did he do anything to help those people?
And the innocent people that were forced to be CD slave.
So yeah Rocks could be the good guy all along and Garp was just the CD bish protecting them.
Whoever makes these little popstick characters needs an oscar😂
Edit: IM FAMOUS
The Lilith one is the best.
Garp laughing with the cracker is my fav😂
and they draw them so quick like 24hours after the scans
@@AIUIDADAtoo bad noob
This comment makes no sense, the fact it has 135 likes is worrying. What do animated stick characters have to do with acting awards?💀
Garp definitely made a deal with the celestial dragons to never conduct a god valley event again. That's their deal in garp saving the celestial dragons from the rocks pirates.
yeah, that's maybe the reason too for Roger don't accept the offer from Lion Shiki to alliance to destroy world government. Even he is near of the death because his illness.
While I see that as a good twist, most celestials are so arrogant that they would order garps execution just for trying to bargain like he’s on even close to the same “importance”.
We’ll see, based on the timeline there could be one coming up soon
I think it was more of a deal with roger of the life of shanks. I think Xebec stole shanks from figerland and they didnt wanna hand him back over.
God Valley is what gave Garp his clout in the first place. Plus this seems like more of a Roger deal to me. Like, he saved them once, but if they ever pull this shit again, next time he’ll be the one to slaughter them.
We see some treasure chests along with the CD introducing the tournament: potentially we could have Kaido's, Ivankov's and Kuma's DF theres as trophies. And of course the chest where baby Shanks was hidden in.
potentially one of them could also have been the gura gura no mi
and maybe even Sengoku's golden buddha fruit too
Gomu Gomu no mi
do you really think that the elders would willing give up that devil fruit to anybody?@@Mr.VAGlNA
@@xxmension04xx47yeah. Out of all possibilities, Gomu Gomu no Mi (or should I say, Hito Hito no Mi model Nika) is the most impossible option. We are talking about a fruit that the Gorosei wants to get SO MUCH, but the fruit itself keep avoiding them. They want it so they can keep it from being awakened. There is no way they give it to anyone lol
One thing I saw being hypothesized was, what if Gaimon's island used to be one of the islands that had Celestial Dragons' version of The Dangerous Game? In the manga chapter, we see six treasure chests. In the chapter with Gaimon, Luffy climbs up to the top of the cliff face and there are six empthy treasure chests. We have no idea how long they've been sitting there for.
One thing that we're probably not going to get any time soon is the bridge town that Robin was sent to. We know that hundreds of years ago the Celestial Dragons wanted it built. We still don't know why or for what purpose. Probably not going to be brought up here, but there are definitely a lot of Celestials who could bring it up for some random reason.
I am curious to see when the Devil Fruits are introduced to Ivankov and Kuma.
Oh my word this has to be it. Gaiamon is finally relevant
I just don't know if they will go the Roger is evil route or if he just wanted to help Garp protect the Celestials from being butchered ...
@@neltins5308i dont think it has to be roger being "evil". We know that roger was NOT a "good guy" like the strawhats are, seeing as what he did to squard's crew. He thinks like a classic pirate probably. Saw the opportunity to get rid of xebec and took it
I think Dragon is going to be on God Valley. As a World Noble, I think Garp's wife/partner is/was a Celestial Dragon, who may have temporarily lived with Garp on Dawn Island (how Dragon wad born there as he told Sabo) but they were invited to the "hunt", possibly not knowing what it was, and Dragon witnessing this atrocities of the Nobles causes him to abandon his status. This betrayal of a Celestial could be why Dragon is so despised by the WG, more so than Ivankov or Kuma who are co leaders with Dragon of the Revolutionaries.
He would be 18, so I guess that's reasonable
Maybe Dragon was Kuma's master that he said was kind to him
@@Ranjithkumar-vn1bd did u not read the manga where it clearly shows how kuma was beaten by his master ?
@@Ranjithkumar-vn1bd also dragon is a D , why would celestial dragons allow him to live among them ? also GARP was never a celestial dragon, so how can his son be one ?
@@pralayaryan he didn't seems beaten up compare to others and Kuma himself said, Dad. My master is so Nice I'm so lucky to have Him
“Just encountering this ushi-oni would result in catching an illness” Do you think Gol D Roger got his illness from the Ushi Oni?
Can I just appreciate that whenever Queen shows up in that stupid Zoom Zoom pose, he's animated. As opposed to everyone else in the same scene just standing static. It's just such a wonderful small touch.
Also, what if Kuma gets his fruit on the Island and that's how he escapes? Maybe it is given to him as mentioned in the video, but I feel that he, Iva and Jinny stumbling on it when all hell breaks loose on the island when the clash between the different factions occurs - with their DESIRE to escape their fate being so strong - it finds its way to them is much more appropriate for the whole "Devil Fruits sometimes have their own wills" and "Devil Fruits are born out of desire". So Kuma eats it and zooms them all off the island and to safety.
Pretty sure queen just does the gangnam style, and its hilarious
Knowing Oda, if we do see Rocks, he's almost certainly going to be somewhat goofy
What if rocks was the previous owner of the Nika nika fruit
@@FNCSBossBabypretty sure kaido and big mom would had a bigger surprise of the fruit if that was the case. They said it hasn’t reawakened in hundreds of years.
@@FNCSBossBabywas probably thr yami yami no mi , or maybe Nika, or a fruit someone in the gov now has ,
Or dragons fruit maybe
@andrew-rn9ui the yami Yami has already been heavily implied that it chose blackbeard and by his actions its obvious he's following rocks plan so I think xebec had Yami. Now before anyone is like why is noone suprised and stuff, well kaido and big mom haven't really seen blackbeard in action at all. The only one that saw it and it's probably the reason why they were so happy they found xebecs fruit was whitebeard.
yeah but after seeing Saturn it's safe to say oda had the ability to stray away from the goofy sidr
Dragon was probably in the marines, but if anything Garp insisting that Luffy and Ace become marines seems more like a consequence of his son being the most wanted man in the world rather than Garp telling all of his descendants to become marines from the beginning
He wanted them safe obviously Garp supports dragon on the low man rejected admiral position 4 the reasons dragon opposses them
I swear, ever since Iva mentioned Crocodile's secret he's been a part of EVERY theory.
Lol, pretty sure that's just one big meme in the community
Bonney is actually from the past... and she's Crocodile
joyboy was most definitely a buccaneer. the large straw hat that emu has and the fact that the tale of sun god nika has been past down through the buccaneers for most probably 800 years, it makes perfect sense to me lol
Huh, buccaneers are just larger than normal, not full on giants. I'm fairly certain joyboy is a giant from elbaf, but we'll see what oda says
@@whitebwoi Kuma is maximum 1/4 giant and it's probbly smaller than that considering we don't know how much giant his dad had. A half human half giant should have a hat that size. The giants we have seen are much bigger right?
small ors had a hat big enough to be a boat the straw hat was just a really big hat@@whitebwoi
@@samuelbekele3601
kuma is 22ft' inches 7
I'm so hyped that Roger is going to show up with the strawhat
First
Damnit
I wonder if Rocks D. Xebec claimed/thought he was JoyBoy and thus was treated as the world's biggest threat to the World Government. That could be how he got all of those big shots to follow him and he maybe sparked Kaidos obsession with JoyBoy.
I don't think Dragon completely abandoned Luffy, but he knew his family would be hunted down like Rogers so he likely had some eyes on Luffy watching at points. Likely also why he was there and able to save Sabo, he already knew Sabo was Luffys friend, and how he knew his son was in Loguetown so he could show up and stop Smoker.
Garling doesnt wear the bubble because his hair doesnt fit in it
It's hard to pin down how human Garling is. On one hand he doesn't think twice about killing slaves and probably enjoys it since he's in the killing game, but on the other hand, Shanks was put in that chest most likely to keep him safe. Granted it could have been his mother that did that, not Garling. Garling could even be an uncaring older brother instead of a parent, he looks pretty young in the flashback after all
I mean it could just be that he only gives a shit about his own family and not slaves
Just a quick question. I know it's almost confirmed they are related since they look identical but as a manga anime only I don't think shanks has been confirmed as a figarland canonically. Feel free to correct me if I've forgotten/missed something.
@@jackpatey6471One piece Film red reveals Shanks as part of The Figarlands family, and It's been told that Film red is half canon, the event in it wasn't canon, but the reveals was.
So Uta, Her df, Her connection to shanks, Shank's connection to Figarland and also the Island where the movie sets in is canon, but the movie itself isn't.
Kinda like Strong world, Shiki and his jailbreak's canon, but his Floating island plan wasn't
@@jackpatey6471 No, you're right. It's never explicitly been stated in the manga that Shanks is a Figarland, but in Film Red Uta was assumed to be a Figarland because she was thought to be Shanks's biological daughter. Granted you should always take info from the movies with a grain of salt, but the fact that Oda himself worked on the script and mentioned that name specifically really points towards that info being true
It could just be that garling gave up his own son (or brother/nephew depending on how they’re related) as one of prizes for winning the God Valley Tournament. I think Oda is capable of making a dark plot twist like that.
Rocks D Xebec = Monkey D dragon...Rocks was originally written as Rox which in japanese is also a chinese word for Hei Long which means Black Dragon...so Rox Xebec could mean Black Dragon Boat, which dragon has...also their appearances are very similar and fans have always tried to connect them in some way
I liked the idea that the chests we see that are the prizes for the hunt could be all devil fruits that eventually end up in the hands of various people in One Piece. It’s probably where Kaido’s fish fish fruit came from eh.
Or white beards I don't think je had it once he started his crew.
And big mum gave kaido his fruit to save his life on god valley from memory so maybe
Whitebeard had his fruit. What he got was the Phoenix fruit. All the future yonko got mythical zoans. The prizes for the Celestial dragons who won the slave hunting tourney.
you bringing up the idea of Joyboy having a buccaneer & lunarian in his crew made me think...what if he had a buccaneer & lunarian as vice captains in roles similar to sanji & zoro
Zoro is rayleigh of strawhat
@@saidbachlil2612Who would Sanji be
Zoro is the only vice captain of the crew lol Sanji has no business being there 😂😂😂 !!!
@@lewisainoThe number 4
@@f.n8581 yes sir
i have another theory,
Maybe the Rocks pirates came there to hunt the celestial dragons instead of the celestial dragons hunting the people and their slaves, dragon was on the crew of rocks pirates like a young shanks and a young blackbeard. But rocks wanted to take the slaves for himself which lead garp and roger to defeat the rocks pirates. Dragon on the other hand recruited the slaves on his team and guided them as a leader and being with the rocks pirates he had the same goal of defeating the celestial dragons for his companions as well as for some other reason.
In the grand scheme of things, I think, we are getting the Roger's flashback as chunks of story relevant flashback from Wano and out. First, it was Oden's tale, which told us the most we knew about Roger to date, then, we have Kuma's story, which will expound on the God Valley incidence of Roger's story. Perhaps another grand story in Elbaf, and then, the final leg of Roger's journey told as back story at Laughtale. If that is Oda's plan, it is brilliant storytelling.
I have 2 predictions for how Bonney will be saved from Garcia/the firing range.
My softball guess is that Kums will arrive on the island and save her somehow.
My bigger, "all-in" guess is that he will specifically do this by landing directly into Garcia, bodily, like a meteor, freeing her from his grip.
Or maybe the recently activated robot from 800 years that Luffy saw earlier in the start of Saga.
Rocks turning out to be a luffy like character someone that just randomly shows up no nolage of enything and then tried to save the hole contry because some random little girl gave him food
The original crackhead
but we dont know what he had to gain in god vally . and the reason why he attacked the celestial dragons.
@@pralayaryanMaybe he wanted to control everything like Raoh
I remember Boa Hancock mentioning to Luffy that she and her sisters were forced to eat their fruits by the Celestial dragons for their entertainment when they wereslaves which seemed odd to me at the time. Like what kind of entertainment do you get now that this girl can petrify people? A hunger games style event makes this make some kind of sense now. I don’t know if it is possible for Hancock to have been at God Valley chronologically speaking so just a thought of mine.
Boa Is 31 years, god valley took place 38 years ago . so there is no chance of boa to be in god valley
@@PS-vd9me Yeah I wasn’t certain but I kind of expected it to be so. Thanks for confirming.
1. St Saturn hasn’t been on the surface in a long time 2. St Saturn mentioned with surprise that Luffy’s crew work together 3. They were on god valley 38 years ago. 4. God valley is attached to Rox intimately. 5. I genuinely believe we’re going to see a bit of history here that defines Kuma’s life, the god-valley incident, and solidifies the World Nobles as the true bads of the series
My theory is Rocks came to God Valley to kill the Five Elders (not knowing Imu existed) to become king of the world. Rocks had the dark-dark fruit and the Celestials couldn't fight him because all their warriors used Devil Fruits to fight and they are powerless against Xebecs. Meanwhile, Roger lands on God Valley opposite the Celestials and Xebecs merely to try to escape Garp's harassment, or maybe he was planning to steal from the Celestials, but find themselves dragged into the battle because they are the only experts at Haki.
This chapter was crazy
Anyone else see the scar over Kuma's dad's left eye while he was talking about Nika? Is Kuma a D?
Or how Vegapunk was just as shocked as everyone else to learn Kuma was a Buccaneer? If even Vegapunk didn't know Kuma's heritage then that means something.
How about Saturn talking about Bonnie and Luffy's fate as though it were a physical force? He took a pot shot at Luffy to see what would happen and what happened? Some random force came out of nowhere and saved his rubber ass! A literal Deus ex Machina!
Whatever 'Fate' surrounds Luffy is something Saturn is intimately aware of 👀
I've always thought Rocks was the father of Dragon and that Garp adopted Dragon after killing his dad. This would explain why Rocks looks exactly like Dragon smiling and why Dragon went for the revolution. It would tie everything together. This would mean that Luffy is actually Rocks grandson, being the legacy of all 3 legends (Garp's education, Rocks' blood, Roger's dream).
I can’t see how Luffy and Garp aren’t related tbh, they’re just too much alike lol
@@fuzzbutthead8597that's true aswell ! But we still don't know Luffy's mom so maybe she was the daughter of Garp... Idk. There's still many plotholes but Dragon looks exactly like Rocks, not like Garp and we know for a fact that Luffy is Dragon's son. Again the God valley, the revolution, Rocks and Dragon are too tied together for it to be a coincidence
Nah, Garp refers to Dragon as his son during his raid on fullalead chapters, so he's not his son-in-law
No, buggy was rocks kid.
Wrong, Mr. 3 is Rocks son
I'm thinking Rocks will show up either because he knew about the manhunt or he will learn about it upon his arrival and think the person who kills the most on the island will own God Valley so he will just start slaughtering celestial dragons. The marines(garp) and Roger will show up to save people like luffy would.
Most Dangerous Game is a bit different than God Valley, that book, for anyone curious, is more about a man that has reached the peak of hunting and danger. He’s hunted every big game you can think of so now he is left bored with life, deciding to reclaim that feeling of danger by hunting humans. If anything he’s more like Aizen from Bleach or a dark version of Saitama from One Punch Man
Zenos Yae Galvus, too.
The Buccaneer thing has caused me to reevaluate a number of super strong characters. Like Whitebeard. Could he have been part Buccaneer? Or even Big Mom? She was a huge, powerful child just like Kuma was. Could there be other Buccaneers or other tribes too?
What about the big dudes from the Franky family
@@banjo4smash862i like to think they're just some big dudes , i find it funny
The only other character in the story I can see being a Buc is big mom
What if Monkey D Dragon was considered the most dangerous man alive because at first they thought he had eaten the Nika Nika fruit besides also knowing secrets about the Marines, God valley and the World Nobles.
Oda never ceases to amaze me
Dragon is a good father. Dragon is the most wanted man on Earth, but he made sure that his son wasn't going to be found and used as a hostage. Dragon gave Luffy the ability to decide how he wanted to live by not being there. And when Luffy did decide how he wanted to live his life, Dragon was there to protect him and see him off. Dragon believes in his son and kept track of all Luffy's adventures, which is why he know how to find him.
This God Valley Flashback gonna bomb so hard. Potential god tier Flashback incoming
Absolutely god valley Flashback incoming.
I'm not seeing anyone mention how crazy this makes Sabo's feat of escaping ALL 5 elders. This either is a great feat for Sabo or maybe they let him go on purpose🤔. A very interesting situation to look back on nonetheless...
I think the Bonnie ages luffy to his peak is much less likely than for her power being used to de-age old man Luffy.
The idea with the world nobles having sexual dimorphism of hotness may be that the culture is different. Women are more wicked in terms of their vanity, while men compete over their indulgences?
My prediction about god valley is that Rocks probably wanted to take the slaves for himself while harming/overthrowing the celestial dragons (basically taking their place). And Roger and Garp worked together to stop him from taking slaves. Also, Dragon may have been a young Marine at the time (~17 or luffys age) and saw the atrocities that the celestial dragons are doing for the first time with extermination of populations and hunting slaves. He probably can’t forgive the marines for protecting them this whole time, which is why he left. He probably also recruited a bunch of slaves and god valley citizens while harming some celestial dragons in the process. This is probably why he was at Rogers execution because he respects Roger for protecting the slaves from Rocks.
what if Garp stood against the rocks pirates and GolD stood against the world government to stop something big?
There is one panel in the chapter at the start of the flashback. Kumas parents hold their hands over the new born Kuma, who raises his right hand to them. His baby hand is definitly smaler than his mothers, so I would guess that at birth Kuma was fairly normal human-baby sized but becuase he is half Bucaneer he grew exponatioally fast.
As to how his parents did the deed, you see, penetration is optional.
Well, maybe big people in One Piece have smoll D as a trade off for their big body lol
Yeah with all crazy sizes there's got to be tools for that.
Edit: adding sizes because appearently I didn't type that out...
Yeah you know someone is a virgin when they only think babies are made with intercourse just because someone is big does not mean their thing going to be huge as well.
We've seen stranger size gaps
Maybe someone ate the Sex Sex Fruit 😂
I think the "proportion don't match" argument could be explained with Hierarchical proportion (wikipedia for reference), wich is something Oda did since early stages of the manga, especially in panels depicting warlords and the earliest blackbeard appearences
Pretty excited to see whether this lives up to the hype,so many characters are going to clash 💔🔥🔥
There is probably a special trait that the buccaneers have that separates them from the larger humans. Near the end of 1095 its mentioned they have giants blood, which is interesting point to make. Also I think Bonney is Kuma's biological daughter in some way, but she didn't directly inherit the buccaneer gene, hence why she appears like a normal human. Although when she used distorted future her body warped into what I now believe is a timeline where she did inherit the buccaneer gene.
I've had this illogical idea stuck at the back of my head for years that maybe Luffy and Bonnie are secretly siblings, but biological siblings. I mean, we've already gotten all kinds of absurd family reveals from Luffy, like a grandfather who's part of an enemy faction, a father who's a notorious criminal, a badass older brother, and a returning sibling that was believed to be long dead. So why not a previously completely unknown sister? I feel like that's all Luffy needs to hit "Secret Family Bingo". Seriously though, I can almost see this being a thing. Like Dragon has two kids, separates them from himself for their safety, gives one to his father and another to his trusted friend and insists neither tell his kids about him. His dad ends up being a real hands off father figure so the son ends up latching onto the coolest guy he meets while the daughter ends up growing really attached to the friend and she ends up seeing him as her real father. I know there's almost no chance this pans out, but I've never been able to shake the idea that Luffy and Bonnie are connected in some way beyond their dads just working together.
And Oda is also inspired by Star Wars.
haha interesting thought...
lets not forget that bonney still is a chiild about 10 years younger than luffy.. does not make your theory wrong but i had to mention it..
Idk. They both have weirdly similar obsessions with food. If bonny is constantly changing her age maybe that affects her hunger since she's constantly changing her size.
But I do like the idea conceptually. The thought of dragon leaving one kid to Kuma and Vegapunk and one to Garp makes sense. If she looks more like their mother and luffy resembles dragon, and if the world government knows dragon and luffys mom were involved, then two kids living together under garp that look identical to both of them would not only expose the children, but put garp in the governments crosshairs.
@@gerhino7892 Wait, was it actually confirmed that Bonnie is a literal child? Because I could've sworn that was still just people theorizing that was the case because Saturn called her a child and I haven't heard anyone confirm it yet. But even if she is a child, it doesn't really change anything, since we haven't seen anything in regards to Luffy's mom at all (as far as we know), meaning they could still be related through Dragon, but have different mothers.
@@gerhino7892that’s unproven
Rocks is certainly the villain here but just with a different role than we originally thought, every character talks about him in an unpleasant way and I’ve never been so excited for a character introduction since Kaido!
I think the twist is that Rocks wanted to indiscriminately attack the Celestial Dragons (including their children), and that pushed Roger to intervene and help Garp.
So crazy theory i just came up with. The ringed eyes could be an effect of Imus fruit on people. Like shes capable of ordering you to do certain tasks and while your being controlled you have the ringed eyes. Going with the devil theme perhaps its a pact/deal with the devil type scenario. Might explain the weird situation with cavendish.
What reason would Imu have for creating Hakuba?
It makes sense if dragon was a marine, then it explains why garp didn't go for a higher status because of 'the atrocities'
It's interesting that shanks and Blackbeard are only a year apart in age. Blackbeard is probably a baby/toddler at this point. Potentially with an origin connected to god valley as well.
My current theory is, and we will see how future chapters pan out, The Rock Crew was the OG Strawhat crew and Rocks had the Nika fruit.
After the God Valley incident, he, as well as the rest of the crew, were vilified, and some (Kaido and Big Mom) went down a darker path as history was changed to make the World Nobles seem like the victims and the Rocks Pirates the villains. Kinda like how the government might spin vegapunks death if he does indeed die on Egghead.
This would imply that Roger's actually is evil, which is weird, since Roger admired Joy boy, meaning anyone who follows Joyboy's footstep should be someone roger would agree with, yet if this is true, why does he fight against rocks ?
@user-dn3el1vi4f Maybe, maybe not. It's one of a few holes in my theory, admittedly. My only idea is that his actions on God Valley were also altered. Perhaps he merely saw it as a way to fight someone strong or maybe Rocks was going too far. Maybe it was the governments way of forcing Garp to be the hero and Roger more infamous to overshadow and essentially erase Rocks.
IDK but it could be interesting:)
@@drake34766 It is quite tricky, the words of the world government is the least trustworthy words in one piece, It might be interesting to think maybe Roger was tricked into fighting against rocks, or maybe roger wasn't even planning to fight rocks but was just an unlucky bystander who the marines put the blame on.
Still a pretty interesting theory
@@drake34766Maybe Rocks wanted to conquer everything and had an argument with Roger😊
Since ivankov was a slave I thought that maybe crocodile was also a slave and that's his big secret.
I am not sure the extent of what is going to happen but I think the God Valley incident is going to show exactly why Garp refuses all promotions and is reluctant to talk about everything that happened. I think the world nobles convinced him to do something that he deeply regrets and part of it may even be stopping the Rocks Pirates.
So I never realized it till you mentioned Kuma's child picture in this video but Kuma's picture is almost certainly referencing a japanese statue you'd see at schools of Ninomiya Kinjiro. A man carrying a bundle of sticks and reading a book. I'm sure heaps of people were already aware but it's a neat detail that I'm glad I now notice.
Not sure if that bears (haha) much meaning here but I think it likely points to Kuma's drawing as a child be more a representation of his character rather than an actual image of him as a child.
Ive been saying for years I think Rocks is more of a peacemain than a morganeer! It seems more and more like thats the case, i cant imagine someone with enough will to put together a crew of those legends thru will alone losing a fight. Homie has to have hella charisma
I am starting to think that maybe the best of the best are occasionally invited to join the World Nobles. That might be what they are doing with York. A warrior ascending to the level of God. This could be what the intention with York was. Maybe York knew it was possible if you provide them something valuable enough. If this is the case, they may have slowly bred families of the strongest warriors in the world.
I think there's more to Buccaneers than just "big" - note that both Kuma and his dad specifically have enormous, stocky bodies on comically thin and short legs. Bonney also assumes a similar look when she uses her "distorted future" form on Vegapunk (maybe an alternate timeline where she inherited more of the Buccaneer genes from her dad?).
To my mind, that Marine's head exploded with a really powerful burst of Haki. If you think about it, the leaders of the WG exerting their tyrannical rule over the world are literally "conquerors" so it would make sense to have extremely powerful Haki. Also the panels where, Saturn does that thing with his eyes, especially the panels where he speaks and tells the Marines to shut up is reminiscent of luffy "stop" haki burst, and then you see Bonney kinda fainting and falling before he catches her, and how Sanji was knocked back.
In this most recent chapter is really stood out to me that when Saint Saturn was holding Bonnie. He said something along the lines of "why do Human Beings try so hard" and I think it's super important he said Humans as if he isn't one
@@Skeletontiger I think you are missing my point
@JoelVela13 or he thinks himself more than one. Or is a demon yeah.
So those 3 races missing from totoland are buccaneers, lunarians and giants I assume
My predictions for god valley:
The rocks pirates show up on god valley to claim the ‘prizes’ from the hunt, which are devil fruits. While simultaneously taking revenge on the world nobles for all of their collective suffering.
They all get their devil fruit powers there, and then disband once they get what they wanted/when rocks in defeated.
Gold D Roger and his crew are there for the same thing potentially, to claim the Nika nika fruit.
Rocks pirates begin to overwhelm the marines and nobles so they turn to the Roger pirates and give them a vital key to finding laughtale in exchange for their help.
I'm weirdly starting to hope that Rocks could be, if not a good guy, an extremely charismatic guy you can't help but root for against the World Nobles. That would make it pretty tragic when the top marine on the island teams up with Rocks up and coming rival to take him down. But I really REALLY doubt that's going to happen because Rocks has been portrayed as evil looking so chances are he'll ultimately be evil, wanting to subjugate people, like Kaido or Big Mom, rather than being like if a guy like Whitebeard decided to take on the World Government head on.
What do yall think Ch 1100 will be ?
Void Century flashback
Monkey d dragon in egghead🤔🤔
I don't know how it did not occur to me yet that Bonney can counter Luffy G5 weakness and turn him into young from the old guy. That might just happen in the next chapters especially if Kuma arrives so that Kuma can see the sungod once before he dies.
God valley seems chaotic asf and I can’t wait to see how it plays out. All these characters in one place.
I think Elbaf's gonna be the next island for the Celestial Dragon's competition. If that's the case the next arc's gonna be freaking crazy
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Jinny is Portgas D. Rouge because freckles.
The Celestial Dragons brought 6 chest with Devil Fruit to the God Valley as prizes and Rocks D. Xebec could have sailed to the God Valley because of them!
The devil's fruit of Kaidou is right here as well as possibility devil's fruits of Ivankov, Kuma and Whitebeard! And only Oda knows what other devil's fruits! Maybe Crocodile's? Or Inazuma's? Or even Morley's! Commander of the West Army in the Revolutionary Army is like the oldest newkama. Morley could have recruited Ivankov into the newkama, and Ivankov would later recruit Morley into the revolutionaries.
Also if Figarland Garling is the Champion of the God Valley then Big Mom and the others stole from him!
My question is, Why is Oda showing a flashback now? Unless he wants us to forget that the bloody BLACK BEARD Pirate are on the damn island!!!
Blackbeard's presence (or rather, part of his fleet) is important, but I get the feeling like the fact that they're there is a red herring for now. Oda's narrative maneuvers are very deliberate. They remind me of Andrew Hussie.
I think given the Kuma and Ivankov situation, AND SABO, and the fact that Dragon talks with Garp frecuently (Dragon told him he met Luffy at Logue Town without delay) and based on the very words he has said in reference to Luffy, he clearly, without doubt knows about Luffy having the Nika fruit
I think what really happened on GodValley, is that Imu didn't actually destroy it, but instead it was the powerful shockwaves of the fighting from Rocks, Garp, Roger, Big Mom, and Whitebeard.
I mean when you think about it, they are incredible powerful in their own rights, so imagine putting all of these powerful monsters together and allowing them to go all out on each other, this would have been powerful enough to make the entire island unstable, maybe even unstable enough that it could just fall over on its own and get destroyed completely.
Or the other possibility is that it was caused by Whitebeard's Gura Gura fruit, remember what Sengoku said?
"His Devil fruit is strong enough to destroy the entire world".
So it's also possible that the cause of disappearance of God Valley is that Whitebeard may or may not have over done it, But its also possible that was caused by a Buster call as a last resort to whip out the Rocks pirates, combine that with unbelievable strength of the ones fighting on the Island, the results would be phenomenal.
As soon as they labeled Luffy as a terrorist I figured good and evil were flipped and those labeled as "terrorist" were really people trying to liberate others from the tyranny.
Something to remember is that both Whitebeard and Big Mom were a part of Rock's crew. Coupled with what the Celestial Dragons were doing, he is really looking like the good guy in this situation.
I dont see how BM has anything to do with being good. WB, sure. On the other hand we have Kaido and BM having no real issues with slaves. And blackbeard bing connected to Rocks.
@@Feja2503 Big Mom sees herself as an altruistic person and her end goal is basically equality. She would not join a crew if they did not share her ideals. That is why she beat up Page One.
@@henrypeters5291 but at the same time she works with kaido, who enslaved a country.
Garling couldn't have given Whitebeard those scars that ache, because the Oden flashback takes place after God Valley and he didn't have any scars then.
Dragon can't be ex-marine, our first introduction to Reverie back in Drum had everyone talking about him has if he sprung out of nowhere with a super mysterious past (and if he was a marine everyone would know that the son of the hero had joined). And didn't he form the revlutionaries *after* the destruction of Ohara? That's quite some time after God Valley so my guess is that Dragon isn't part of this flashback.
And sure we all know that the Figarland family, at least as far as Shanks' dad goes, work with the upper echelon of the world nobles but has it ever been stated that they are world nobles themselves? They might just be servants, maybe as you said due to being "mere" half noble.
Garp becomes the hero of the marines because of God Valley. If dragon was already a recruit and quits after then it's likely people wouldn't find out about him, especially considering how details get manipulated in the news
This was before Garp become the Hero of the Marines. He gained that title post God Valley.
@@Jeremy-The-Bullfrog yeah but he was surely not an unknown by any means within the marines/WG.
@@rake667 Garp would still be known enough within the organisation that if his son joined rumors would spread, and the marines does background checks on people wanting to join. Even if he by some chance had manipulated the background info just by joining there would be more info on him than the absolute zero they had when talking about him during the reverie when Vivi was a child.
Do you remember Bajran Gun? The massive hit Luffy finished Kaido with? Well, i want to see him punching Saturn with a Bajran Gatling to throw him to the see and drown him, and use that moment to escape.
I think Rocks and his crew showed up to God Valley, decided to spitefully enter the hunt, and added their own point system for Celestial Dragons. Wouldn’t be surprised if Rocks propositioned it as “winner takes all”, and the full of themselves Celestial Dragons accepted.
I think Rocks really did have intentions to free the slaves. I think Roger and Garp had no issue with the slaves being freed and actually agreed with it, but they probably both mutually agreed that if it did happen, it would’ve caused absolute chaos and probably plunge the world into destruction. So for the sake of the greater good, Roger and Garp begrudgingly agreed that they had to stop Rocks.
I would finally like to find out in this flashback why Kuma carries a Bible all the time(when we first met him), as it was initially the only distinguishing feature between him and the Pacifista, in fact, I don't think he's had a Bible in his hands since Thriller Bark... Maybe he brought it for protection against the supernatural?
The protection on Thriller Bark would be a neat idea, honestly that might have been symbolism at the time. Or that Kuma came to "exorcize" Thriller Bark, and the whole removing Luffys pain onto Zoro thing. I was also thinking what if its because the Buccaneer clan/race believed in Sun God Nika so heavily. Perhaps Kuma clings heavily to that belief. The Bible and cross is typically seen as a Christian motif but holy books and crosses are prevalent in lots of religion. In OP it could literally be a holy book for any religion more specifically the Sun God/other God Fruit Gods.
here is a dumb thought, what if Dragon is Rocks? figure we have Bonnie's fruit in play somewhere on God Valley, Rocks attacks and is seriously wounded and because he liberated them the fruit holder regresses him back to being a child to save his life, Roger takes Shanks and Garp takes little Rocks.
What if there is no Xebec? Just as how we've seen X-Drake and Corazon be undercover marines, what if the captain of the Rocks pirates is an undercover marine (Garp)? Legend of Xebec dies the same day that the legend of Garp was born.
I don't get it, I'm pretty sure two people just have to love each other very much and the stork (or Megastork in the case of giants and larger babbies) brings some offspring soon after. Exceptions like Ace confirm the rule.
What id it god valley was all framed, lemme cook here, garp and roger teamwd up not to fight rocks but they teamed up to fight figarland and the world government after rocks and his crew was beaten standing up to the world government??????? And then because of how impoetant it eas too keep this quite they framed it up as garp as the hero who teamed up with roger to fight and defeat rocks?? I truly believe this would be amazing if this was the truth
This could be the event Fujitora witnessed, and then took away his eyesight to stop seeing the victims faces, hence his desire to see Luffy's
Speacking about Celestial dragon I realised we had similar kind of people used to live in our country. Who said that walking the same path they do is a sin, if we touch them it is a sin, and if we drank the same water from the common water bodies it is a sin 😂😂😂😂😂😅
The women are more beautiful than the males because men are more prone to genetic disorders. Women have XX and men have XY. Therefore have an extra X chromose that replaces more defective genes than a male. I don't think Oda did that on purpose but, the science works out lol 😂
Ok so saturn is also a roman god, as well as all the the rest of the gorosensei... something interesting i found is that saturn was the god of TIME and also LIBERATION as well as other thing... i think this is important 🤔
Garling is not hot 😭 why people find him hot, he makes me queaey and nauseous.
The only hot people are Ace♠️, Shanks, Law and Crocodile
I mean, Luffy didn’t originally set out to Wano to help Kin’emon and Momonosuke. He had to go there in the first place to find the Road Poneglyph. Rocks may have had a plan, but ended up helping the people in need to help his plan succeed
I now relise that dalton
(That guy in drum island arc wity bison fruit) is prabobly a bucunear
He has the exact same body type
I don’t think Bonnie is a clone of Gennie but Gennie who had her memory erased by Kumas power. That’s why they refer to her as a little girl because she has no memory past being a small child.
Oda is genius of Geniuses when it comes to world building. Like we got luffy on the ground Saturn going wild....aaaand. The best flashback ever. Its so good honestly
I feel like Dragon, having the title of most wanted man in the world, is probably gonna have some massive role in the God Valley incident that was covered up. Maybe not, but either way dudes bounty is probably like 999 trillion and theres no way he couldve kept a child with him and raised it while sights were on him at all times
I think blackbeards dark dark fruit just sucked the devil out of whitebeard’s corpse before it found another fruit to use as a host
Something that's breaking my mind right now is how did Kuma become the king of Sorbet and who's the old woman Queen Connie who Bonnie resembles in her old state.
Oda has a lot of threads to unravel
My best guess is that Jinny is the princess of sorbet and will escape with Kuma and grow up and marry and have Bonney who looks like her mother and grandmother when changing her age
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Looking at Kuma and Whitebeard as children and their facial shapes as adults they look quite similar