I feel like fujitora blinded himself because he saw the god valley incident or a similar celestial dragon hunting tournament, marines were statuoned there to protect the celestial dragons while they commit murders and the Marines were told to turn a blind eye towards the incident so fujitora literally blinded himself due to his powerlessness against them
Sounds plausible. I used to think he used his observation haki before he saw Imu in the throne and avoided the Gorosei killing him. And because he was so committed they made him an admiral as he clearly has contrasting views compared to Akainu and Aramaki so it obviously was not Akainu’s choice to appoint him.
I think the funniest reveal would be that captain john’s treasure was the bara bara no mi and buggy spent a significant portion of his life searching for a treasure that he already had
what if the Map to Jons Treasure exactly led Buggy, to the Island where he already had been at. But at the time relizing that there was no big Treasure he already was so much in debt that he could do nothing more than lend money from crocodile😂
Rocks sounds like the kind of person who'd liberate the world by destroying it and then rebuild it with his view of freedom in mind. That kind of simplemindedness would definitely warrant Whitebeard thinking he's an idiot
I like to imagine that later the World Nobles could take offense to Usopp for having a "god" title just like how they didn't tolerate God Valley's name
This better lead to a scene where Usopp is first panicking over how much heat they got from the fight at Egghead, and then getting news with new bounties and panicking over that and finally panicking a third time when he sees that his title of "God" got him an even higher bounty or at least got him a "dead only" type of bounty.
@@Asko83Or worse,they might only want him alive so they can mqake an example of him, which woud only paint a worse picture of him because then that would make him the only straw hat with the "only alive" stipulation and the fact he's wanted by the celestials would only increase his grandeur.
If you thought power scales were dumb and inconsistent, now people are comparing and ranking characters on who has the most traumatic backstory. This is just gross.
the two kids that Kuma heals after Ginny beats their ass are two of the fat guys from Bonney's crew introduced in Sabaody during chapter 498. One kid is the guy with the cowboy hat and the other kid is the guy smiling behind Bonney to her left with the moustache. The main features of the guy with cowboy hat are the hat itself, the suspenders he wears, the pronounced freckles on his face, and a big rotund face. One of the kids in the flashback has all these features. The other crew member isn't nearly as detailed as the the cowboy hat guy because he is in the background of the panel introducing Bonney at Sabaody but his main features are his hair style and the mustache. As an adult his hair is much more curly but it points up the same way his hair points up as a child. As a child he also has a moustache. However as a child it is fashioned as a pencil moustache while as an adult it is fashioned as a handlebar moustache. look at the 2 panels in chapter 1096 where Kuma heals them and they tell him the pain has gone away. All the details are there. I have been reading one piece since 2003 and one thing I have learned over twenty years is that you can't read this story on a cell phone screen because you miss all the details from a tiny screen. Even the image size from physical volumes or a computer screen do not do it justice, that is why I connected my computer to my television. To make it easier to pick up on the details you need the panels from each page to be the size of like an iPad. Unfortunately not every reader is able to read on a giant screen.
I could see Gloriosa falling for Rocks because the Kuja Warriors viewed strength as beauty. It might also explain why she eventually returned to Amazon Lily since her love had died, in other words she "recovered" from her Love Sickness.
@@Nightlingbolt You ever had a loved one, like a close family member or someone you were deeply in love with, die? And at some point after all the heartache and depression, you realize that you need to keep moving forward with your life despite it all. I'm pretty sure it'd be something like that.
@@KingJokR Yeah, but that’s more or less the standard human grieving process. Given the kind of manga One Piece is, if they ever do show a Kuja’s love dying, I would not be surprised if she’s sobbing one moment, cheerful the next, and everyone nearby yells at her over it. I mean, I say that, but I’m pretty sure the first Kuja love we’re gonna see die is Rayleigh, and I gotta be honest, I had Rocks and Gloriosa first and foremost in my mind when the idea for that gag came to me, so… yeah, I don’t think I want that applied to Ray and Shakky… 😭
You forgor Liam, Croco-boy funded the delivery service. But yeah, John's treasure being a fruit is a great idea. Irony if it was actually Buggy's fruit that he found while still with the Roger pirates 😂
I always hated people who underscored Kuma because they would just say he's another pacifista when it was very clear is that even with his mind erased he was stronger than his copies. I mean the man came in whooped the strawhats and didn't lose a fight until he took on the fleet Admiral very recently
Actually the Mama Mode isn't a inconsistencie, since Iva was 15 years old in God Valley and Mama Mode is for under 10 years old kids. That's probably why she didn't attack Kuma and made possible for him to eat the Nikyu Nikyu no mi.
In regards to Higurashi and Semimaru, when they first revealed themselves to Orochi, they were already looking ancient levels of old. While it did take place after God Valley, it was still only few years after, Oden wasn't even the the Daimyo of Kuri when Orochi started working for Yasu.
Garp poking the beehive is in hindsight one of the most badass moments. I really want to know what will come of him now and naturally I want someone either hilarious or awesome to take the spot at Hachinosu when inevitably (I feel) the Blackbeard pirates lose control of the island toward a later part in the story.
For me, Kurera was Roger's crew doctor before the crocos entered the crew because to me it doesn't make sense that they managed to get this far with just the doctor when Roger got sick.
Roger got sick with the illness 3 years before he was executed, which was the reason why they had Crocus joins their crew for 3 years. He's still healthy during God Valley.
Did you notice how the lineup of the rocks pirates mirrors the lineup of the strawhats better than any crew we've seen before? Tbh, I think each strawhat could be a captain in their own right.
Two of them *were* captains, Zoro was literally stated to act like one, Franky and Robin were both in leadership roles prior to joining, and Sanji is quite a leader too. Even Usopp and Chopper have their moments. Yes, they could all be quite successful captains.
Streusen would probably be an amazing pirate chef when you think about it - His powers mean that a crew could never starve, which is critically important on long sea voyages where nutrition and food availability are more important than flavor
I originally thought it was similar to star wars episode 2 attack of the clones. Like have the world government think the clones on their side then the revolutionary army flip the switch and take control of the strongest military in a coup. But we'll have to wait and see
Something that might be worth noting on Kuma’s “tyrant” title. He was introduced alongside Doflamingo who took control of a country by manipulating its king. Could it be possible that Kuma is a direct contrast to that by being someone who was manipulated into doing something terrible (possibly to protect Bonny) and that’s what earned him the “tyrant” title and ultimately cost him his kingdom?
Sanji respects Stussy being committed to being helpful like he does Robin. That is why he didn't save her from Rob Lucci. Casual readers saw it like he is in capable of keeping any type of girl safe from a Rob Lucci attack. Stussy is committed to being helpful this chapter.
If the Paw-Paw fruit is somehow a necessary component to use the Nika Nika fruit effectively by using it to freaking push out Luffy's G5 time limit... holy shiiiiiit
I Love this theory, that would make sense if the paw paw fruit can extract intangible things such as memories and tangible things such as pain, and even ethereal things such as a soul then it shouldn't be too much of a stretch for it to remove a time limit, a simpler method would just be to remove luffy's battle damage and fatigue and pain but removing the gear 5 time limit would be EPIC.
@@lazylonewolfthe question I have is how Oda would make the fights from then on not tremendously one sighted? Because Gear 5 without a time limit would be unstoppable.
@@torchlight1785 Yeah that's why I doubt it will happen. Shonen writers always gotta think about balancing and such. Pushing Luffy's tiredness away after using G5 to spread it evenly among the Strawhats seems like a more balanced approach... granted someone else gets the paw-paw fruit fruit or a certain Seraphim that has it somehow joins the Strawhats hmmmmmm
I reeeeealllly hope Captain John's treasure was actually the dice dice fruit all along and Buggy has gone on a life-long hunt for something he already had! like he finds the chest and it has a note detailing the fruit and how someone already stole it, leading to it falling into Buddy's hands in the past
Anyone else think it would be very Oda for Captain John's treasure to of actually been Buggys Devil fruit. So buggy has spent his whole life annoyed he ate the fruit for no reason
Imagine if Nika wasn't really one person, but a Group of people with dfs representing parts of Nika. Kuma's df is hands of Nika, luffy's df is soul of Nika and maybe there are some other. It could be nice parallel for five possible dfs of gorosei and Imu
That's what I've been thinking only that I think there's one per category, Kuma's Devil fruit is the paramecia, Luffy's is the zoan, now we just need Nika's lugia fruit.
@@AnonymousEnigma19 yeah. I'm into that too. And Dragon fits this role. He was a Freedom Fighter, seems to have a DF related to wind or storms... Could fit well. And with the Christian theme we have the "Holy Trinity" Father + Son + Holy Spirit (Kuma) = God (Nika)
One of my favorite "Kuma moment" this chapter was him telling Ginny that he wasn't a slave from birth but became one at 4, I see it as him knowing she would cry for him and wanting to spare her even that.
It is really interesting to note that Garp was not worried about Rocks or even what was taken from Hachinosu but IMMEDIATELY jumped into action when Roger became involved, even showing up to God Valley specifically calling out Roger. This leads me to two ideas: 1: Garp potentially knew about the "treasure" taken from the Pirate Island but wasn't making a big deal about it to cover it up for some reason and was calling out Roger as a red herring 2: Rocks wasnt that much of a threat going into God Valley but something happened on the island that turned Garp and Roger away from each other. Something else must have happened during the events of God Valley that made Rocks a real threat because Garp didnt care AT ALL that he was going there. If that is the case then whatever Rocks did at God Valley was so world shaking that it turned him from someone that one of the top marines wasn't worried about to someone who had to have their entire existence covered up.
i think the concrete proof of kuma still alive and not robot is a devil fruit still working, and his memories still kept in that bubble if he dies or ceases to exist, then his fruit would share the same fate, powers fading away snd relocating to a new fruit
Unfortunately that's no longer the case, the Mero-Mero no Mi's effect lingers even after it's user's death, with even the new user being unable to undo the previous user's handiwork, while the Hobi-Hobi no Mi's effect undoes if the user simply lost conciousness. It's unknown whether the Nikyu-nikyu no Mi fall into either category of Paramecia DF
@@saltedscimitar The question is: A human transforming into a full mindless robot is stil considered the same person? Or even considered alive? Its the Ship of Theseus paradox.
I'm pretty sure that when Bonney used Distorted Future, she gained a Buccaneer body. That should help confirm that she is Kuma and Ginny's child (or a clone containing both of their DNA?), her Buccaneer blood is just more diluted
They didn't seem like a romantic couple to me, just good friends. Maybe she had a daughter from another man but she died in childbirth, trusted her best friend Kuma to take care of her daughter as if she were his own
I wonder how much less effective Big Mom’s soul powers were when she was skinny. I feel like way less people would’ve been afraid of her back then since she didn’t look nearly as terrifying
After all the focus and shine Wuma's gotten, he's jumped up in my favourite characters in OP most definitely, plus considering everything that was happening on God Valley Kuma saving himself, Jinny, Ivankov and 500 people is pretty remarkable since he just got his DF powers.
Nah the chests from the island with Gaimon would be from a previous hunting games on that island. Remember these games took place every 3 years on different islands. These could easily be the empty reward boxes from a previous competition.
It's kind of funny that one of the most important flashbacks in One Piece history is being discussed in terms of romantic love. Glorossia is revealed to be a Rocks Pirate and automatically everyone collectively began speculating who she was in love with. TBF that is the second or third most important role in the story. There's also Kuma and Ginny, who if they do end up being Bonnie's biological parents, that would make them the most adorable couple. Two kids that found themselves in the worst life imaginable, escape it, then grow up and fall in love is just plain adorable.
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I don't think Gloriosa is Yamato's mom since kujas only give birth to other kujas, and while in Amazon Lily we didn't see any kuja which seemed to be of mixed origin. And if I'm not mistaken they also only give birth in Amazon Lily. Instead, I feel like she had a thing for Whitebeard since we see her arguing with Stucy over what he says, like two girls bickering over the boy they like, which could explain why modern day old Stucy needs to clarify to the world that SHE was WB's lover and bore his child. Also feel the need to point out the similarities of the two peaks in God Valley to the Candi Bentar (the split gateways) which might or might not have any importance, but hey, fun design fact I guess?
rhink gloriosa fell in love with xebec as the way she's shown of feels like she exiled herself for a mistake she did other than leaving to cure her lovesickness.
I think that Ivankov was inspired by saturn. Saturn has his death stare as I like to call it and Ivankov uses moves like death wink and hell wink we see during Marineford and impel down.
I love the mystery of Kuma even more after seeing his backstory, especially because of how selfless he is being and yet grows up to earn the title "Tyrant" Kuma.
So I think the reason why Kuma was the least popular warlord before ties in well with why people are going to like him so much going forward. We have known Kuma for years as this silent, emotionless beast who's lost his humanity almost completely. Like its clear that deep down in there he's got some kind of emotions, but its been really hard to see/tell exactly what they are. And because of that, when we got to see the silhouette of Kuma dancing and singing with a young Bonney, that his hard for me. Like REALLY hard! Like normally when you see a very stoic character finally break and show happy emotions its such a big, uplifting moment in the manga, but here it is the exact opposite. Instead of seeing a Stoic man slowly give in through the series and start goofing off with the others, we see a man who was once happy and vibrant who has had all of that happyness stripped away from him. The fact that we have now see Kuma with emotions is going to make all his robotic moments hit so much harder now. We now know what he was before the series started, so his actions during the series are going to hurt so much more.
I think the man marked by flames who "supposedly" may hold the last ponegliph is someone we already know There was a prominent character from the past that was encased in flames on Reddit, Mr. Morj, after saying the raid on Onigashima will fail which I'm sure was enough to leave a permanent scar
If Xebec used the Nika fruit, it explains why his silhouette hair looks like how Luffys did when he first hit Gear 5th fighting Kaido. It's very possible, and would explain partly how the WG maybe got a hold of the fruit.
With the amount of Rocks pirates on thriller bark, it wouldn't surprise me if thriller bark was God valley. They both have coliseum like structures as well. Heck, Black beard technically has thriller bark because Moria sailed it to his island, and he is collecting Rocks memorabilia.
*Flashback to how Kuma's father said that Kuma's mother is now free to Kuma I'm afraid I know what will happen next... Tho I REALLY hope something else happen...
*Flashback to how Kuma's father said that Kuma's mother is now free to Kuma I'm afraid I know what will happen next... Tho I REALLY hope something else happen...
Even just the suggestion made from that image, that the Rocks pirates look like the Straw Hats is just insulting. Even in that shot of all of them jumping off the boat, they are running to do things for themselves. They aren't going in with a similar goal. It could not be more opposite of the Straw Hats than anything else.
I honestly would not push the idea of Yamato being Gloriosa & Kaido's child away, since from what we've seen...Gloriosa & Yamato do share a similar hair colour, and we've seen with Kaido, he does not have such hair colour so Yamato had to have inherited his white hair colour from his mother
Kuma uses his paws of Lineration as Franky uses the Light Sword in Shogun Franky to fight Garcia till Luffy gets Haki once more inorder for them all to explain. He uses shogun Franky as he doesn't really need to move.
Garp poked the beehive, “bee” standing for Blackbeard of course. Which itself is a reference to black bears, which Teech isn’t based off. The more you know.
"Bye, kids! I'm off to punch Bumblebeard--I mean Blackbee...ah, screw it. I'm poking the hornet's nest and not even Sakazuki can stop me!" - Garp, maybe.
Roger is the biggest hit in the series, he took sides with the celestial dragons and Marines and took out his rivals that he couldn't do alone and let them keep all those slaves on God valley
Kuma was my favorite character since thriller bark. He and boa were the two characters I couldn't get enough. I've watched the episode with ursus shock on thriller bark countless times
Would make sense that rocks had the nika fruit.. and so poetic that he dies at god valley, and Shanks, the real treasure from god valley, ultimately hunts down the nika fruit
If Glorissa fell in love with Rocks… I’m fully prepared for the next phase of Crocomom levels of theories that be reaching… Glorissa being *Blackbeard’s* mom.
I have a theory,jinny eats the time fruit and in an emotional secne she uses her time powers but she turns into a baby,like when bonnie aged the straw hats not on purpose, but because she was emotionally unstable.
WAIT WAIT WAIT!!! When you said Saturn death winked Ivanvok, that reminded me of Ivankovs literal winking attack that does basically the same thing as this Gorosei power. I don’t know what this means but there has to be a connection, right?!?!
Shanks might not have been in one of the chests originally, he might have later been placed in one of the empty chests for safe keeping before being found by Roger
Kuma is pretty much a bulked up equivalent to an Enderman that can teleport and doesn't go agro on you by a glance to the face. But he really had a hard and rough life. Also imagine Franky being the son of both Zeff and Gloriosa.
His final push for liberation should be for his daughter. Theirs so many ways it could be taken. She needs to have her ties with kuma cut, it sounds heartless but the only way she'll be able to move on is if her dad lets her free. More like force her to give up on him but whatever way you gotta get the job done... It would go along with Kuma sacrificing himself to liberate whoever he chooses. I could see him taking the role as "bad dad" to get Bonnie to give up on him and go on with her life. Like how he literally sacrificed his body to protect the ship at saba odi.
if the paw paw is another secret mythical zoan then kuma will die on egghead and the blackbeard pirates will get hold of his fruit because blackbeard needs a 3rd fruit and it's most likely gonna be a mythical zoan.
i love how every unawakened paramecia is now a suspect for being a mythical zoan. robin's fruit? hito-hito no mi model senjukanon, brook's fruit? hito-hito no mi model hades. kuma's fruit? idk some fictional god that only exists in the one piece universe, like nika
The buccaneers are probably the ones who manifested the Nikka devil fruit to begin with, and the hands of liberation is probably also symbolic for being a member of the creators of the warrior of liberation in the flesh. As in the “hands” that created the Nikka fruit from their hopes and wishes.
Dude, I’m still convinced that Bonney is a clone of Big Mom. The close up shot of all the Rocks’ pirates with Big Mom just looks so much like Bonney. I think the Ginny girl is almost certainly died during this hunt they showed…which obviously would mean that Kuma and her couldn’t have a kid together. I also think that’s why Vegapunk was so set on not letting Bonney know everything about Kuma’s past…idk. That shot of Big Mom just made me think Bonney is almost certainly a clone of her, but I think I might be too caught up on the clone thing because of Egghead Island lol cause I also am set that Blackbeard is a clone of Rocks. Which is why Oda will not show us exactly what he looks like…
It feels that the swirl on the rocks pirates jolly roger, may symbolise the devil fruits. One of the reasons Rocks pirates came to the god valley, was devil fruits. So maybe Rokcs are collecting powerful devil fruits, like black beard pirates.
One thing about recent chapters that has left me scratching my head is a Conny, the old women that rules Sobert right now. Bonnie when she ages herself up looks like her allowing her to pose as her. Which would imply there’s a relation between the two. But Ginny is the character that is likely Bonny’s mother, and she was a slave with kuma. My initally thought was that Conny was Ginny’s mother and the queen of Sorbet, and when Kuma returned with Ginny to Sorbet he’d marry Ginny becoming the king…. But now they look like they are living a simple life alone..
O my gosh it never even occurred to me that Kuma still wearing a target! 🤯 That's a great catch.. And the Garp beehive stuff! Oda a genius.. Okay the Gaimon thing would blow my mindbrain!
I've always liked Kuma, it's a shame he's not very popular. Well, that will probably change like you said. He's certainly becoming one of my favorites.
There seems to be a lot of people that represent liberation... Luffy, Kuma, Rocks, and Saturn (who is the god of liberation in Roman mythology)... It makes you wonder what liberation actually is-
Let's stop beating around the bush, there is only one obvious choice for Gloriosa's love interest: Woop Slap After all, he was the only one that recognized the rising in sea level when Lulusia was nuked, meaning he KNEW another island was deleted
It wouldn’t surprise me if gloriosa was also interested in whitebeard and the guy just kept having daughters with different kids and that’s why he was so hung up on a sun.
One more thing that I noticed that Liam didnt touch on was that with the Kuma and Ginny story we have started we now have a solid place in the timeline to place the child drawing of Kumo (with him carrying a bunch of sticks on his back and dressed in rags) that Oda did way way back
i wonder if Kuma's and Luffy's fruit have some secret interaction with eachother. like maybe kuma can use his power on the drums and spread true liberation
I hope kuma will use all the pain he absorbed over the years to kill an elder star. Its a very shonen like trope, which makes me think it will never happens in one piece
I feel like fujitora blinded himself because he saw the god valley incident or a similar celestial dragon hunting tournament, marines were statuoned there to protect the celestial dragons while they commit murders and the Marines were told to turn a blind eye towards the incident so fujitora literally blinded himself due to his powerlessness against them
Sounds plausible. I used to think he used his observation haki before he saw Imu in the throne and avoided the Gorosei killing him. And because he was so committed they made him an admiral as he clearly has contrasting views compared to Akainu and Aramaki so it obviously was not Akainu’s choice to appoint him.
Only caveat is that Fujitora was drafted by the Marines during the 2 year time skip so he couldn’t have been at God Valley as a marine
@user-xv9us6to2d Kind of weird they have a draft system
@@Ccob0517he could have been one of the 500 saved.
I don't remember when his eye removing was said to have been done.
I theories the same thing, Fujitora one of God's knight and sees horror in god valley blinds himself
I think the funniest reveal would be that captain john’s treasure was the bara bara no mi and buggy spent a significant portion of his life searching for a treasure that he already had
Dude I was about to write exactly the same 😂 Totally agreed
The body of liberation
what if the Map to Jons Treasure exactly led Buggy, to the Island where he already had been at. But at the time relizing that there was no big Treasure he already was so much in debt that he could do nothing more than lend money from crocodile😂
this would be the most buggy thing possible, i love it
Because it's the journey that's the treasure
Rocks sounds like the kind of person who'd liberate the world by destroying it and then rebuild it with his view of freedom in mind. That kind of simplemindedness would definitely warrant Whitebeard thinking he's an idiot
U mean rocks is the thanos of one piece
I am also curious if Rocks was painted as villain but he was actually an ok guy
an evil joyboy
Bill Cipher "Liberated" his dimension.
Rocks is madara of of one piece😂
I 100% believe Gloriosa fell for Rocks. It just makes the most sense
Plus, when Rocks finally appears, I wanna see her go full Hancock
@@Arkhalis7Id rather it be roger, then its not like the empress just falls in love with the nika nika fruit user thats kinda meh
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we already know that's not the case, though, because Shakki fell in love with Rayleigh
@@Arkhalis7dumb man Amazon lilly was founded after Void century
I think she fell for Kaido if not Rocks
does add to the Luffy and Rocks parallels
I like to imagine that later the World Nobles could take offense to Usopp for having a "god" title just like how they didn't tolerate God Valley's name
Foreshadowing that God Ussop will be the next most wanted man in the world maybe?
"god usopp exists" World nobels" and we took that as a personal insult"
This better lead to a scene where Usopp is first panicking over how much heat they got from the fight at Egghead, and then getting news with new bounties and panicking over that and finally panicking a third time when he sees that his title of "God" got him an even higher bounty or at least got him a "dead only" type of bounty.
@@Asko83Or worse,they might only want him alive so they can mqake an example of him, which woud only paint a worse picture of him because then that would make him the only straw hat with the "only alive" stipulation and the fact he's wanted by the celestials would only increase his grandeur.
I guess this means sniper island will be the next place the world government does this at!
Kuma being the hands of liberation while Luffy is the drums makes me imagine a scene where Kuma is just slapping Luffy's chest like bongos
This but his booty
"chest"
@@manateeoverlord”SLAP MY ASS LIKE A DRUM.” 😂😂
Then zoro should've let kuma slap luffy
I imagine the “bum bongos” scene from Bluey, but with Luffy and Kuma XD
Kuma might actually have the best backstory topping Law's when it's all said and done and become top two best written characters in the story
If you thought power scales were dumb and inconsistent, now people are comparing and ranking characters on who has the most traumatic backstory. This is just gross.
I prefer robin
Kumas the guy from the green mile
the two kids that Kuma heals after Ginny beats their ass are two of the fat guys from Bonney's crew introduced in Sabaody during chapter 498. One kid is the guy with the cowboy hat and the other kid is the guy smiling behind Bonney to her left with the moustache. The main features of the guy with cowboy hat are the hat itself, the suspenders he wears, the pronounced freckles on his face, and a big rotund face. One of the kids in the flashback has all these features. The other crew member isn't nearly as detailed as the the cowboy hat guy because he is in the background of the panel introducing Bonney at Sabaody but his main features are his hair style and the mustache. As an adult his hair is much more curly but it points up the same way his hair points up as a child. As a child he also has a moustache. However as a child it is fashioned as a pencil moustache while as an adult it is fashioned as a handlebar moustache. look at the 2 panels in chapter 1096 where Kuma heals them and they tell him the pain has gone away. All the details are there. I have been reading one piece since 2003 and one thing I have learned over twenty years is that you can't read this story on a cell phone screen because you miss all the details from a tiny screen. Even the image size from physical volumes or a computer screen do not do it justice, that is why I connected my computer to my television. To make it easier to pick up on the details you need the panels from each page to be the size of like an iPad. Unfortunately not every reader is able to read on a giant screen.
Lol law with the best back story ? I don’t think so
I could see Gloriosa falling for Rocks because the Kuja Warriors viewed strength as beauty. It might also explain why she eventually returned to Amazon Lily since her love had died, in other words she "recovered" from her Love Sickness.
How does recovering from love sickness even WORK? Would it basically be the "Oh No! Anyway..." meme?
@@Nightlingbolt You ever had a loved one, like a close family member or someone you were deeply in love with, die? And at some point after all the heartache and depression, you realize that you need to keep moving forward with your life despite it all. I'm pretty sure it'd be something like that.
@@KingJokR Yeah, but that’s more or less the standard human grieving process. Given the kind of manga One Piece is, if they ever do show a Kuja’s love dying, I would not be surprised if she’s sobbing one moment, cheerful the next, and everyone nearby yells at her over it.
I mean, I say that, but I’m pretty sure the first Kuja love we’re gonna see die is Rayleigh, and I gotta be honest, I had Rocks and Gloriosa first and foremost in my mind when the idea for that gag came to me, so… yeah, I don’t think I want that applied to Ray and Shakky… 😭
You forgor Liam, Croco-boy funded the delivery service. But yeah, John's treasure being a fruit is a great idea. Irony if it was actually Buggy's fruit that he found while still with the Roger pirates 😂
I love this idea and now I HC it.
I had that thought during this video and glad to see someone commented it
Being a Kuma fanboy for almost ny entire One Piece journey makes me happy seeing how much of a spotlight hes getting in the story right now.
Spotlight yes, happy ending probably not sadly 😭😭
Same!!! Kuma was always my favourite.
I always hated people who underscored Kuma because they would just say he's another pacifista when it was very clear is that even with his mind erased he was stronger than his copies. I mean the man came in whooped the strawhats and didn't lose a fight until he took on the fleet Admiral very recently
@@mergimsyla9793i feel like hes going to die soon
Same 🔥
Actually the Mama Mode isn't a inconsistencie, since Iva was 15 years old in God Valley and Mama Mode is for under 10 years old kids. That's probably why she didn't attack Kuma and made possible for him to eat the Nikyu Nikyu no mi.
I really want Kuma to see Luffy in gear 5 form...his reaction will be insane
Kuma: "Bonney. I can die in peace, knowing that you will live a happy life in a whole new world."
Kuma has no will of his own
In regards to Higurashi and Semimaru, when they first revealed themselves to Orochi, they were already looking ancient levels of old. While it did take place after God Valley, it was still only few years after, Oden wasn't even the the Daimyo of Kuri when Orochi started working for Yasu.
Garp poking the beehive is in hindsight one of the most badass moments. I really want to know what will come of him now and naturally I want someone either hilarious or awesome to take the spot at Hachinosu when inevitably (I feel) the Blackbeard pirates lose control of the island toward a later part in the story.
I always felt like mother mode was a bit of a cover for the fact she just actually liked Tama, since Tama was her friend back when she was O-Lin
For me, Kurera was Roger's crew doctor before the crocos entered the crew because to me it doesn't make sense that they managed to get this far with just the doctor when Roger got sick.
Wouldn't they meet Crocus before Kurera?
@@edschelchang6123 I don't know when they met but we know that Crocs only joined the crew after Roger became sick if I'm not mistaken.
@@joaogorgulho2536Crocus got Laboon then joined crew?
Roger got sick with the illness 3 years before he was executed, which was the reason why they had Crocus joins their crew for 3 years. He's still healthy during God Valley.
Honestly, This Kuma flashback is gonna make all of us depressed
not really, almost every character in one piece has a depressing past. atleast kuma was not a S*X object like the hancock sisters
Agreed 😭
It doesn't feel that sad
Do not take me serious but I rly findet funny that people are so depressed about fictional character rather than real people .AZAG
@@heretolearn107 when Chadwick boseman passed away the entire world was moaning sven when nobody knew him personally
Did you notice how the lineup of the rocks pirates mirrors the lineup of the strawhats better than any crew we've seen before? Tbh, I think each strawhat could be a captain in their own right.
Two of them *were* captains, Zoro was literally stated to act like one, Franky and Robin were both in leadership roles prior to joining, and Sanji is quite a leader too. Even Usopp and Chopper have their moments. Yes, they could all be quite successful captains.
Streusen would probably be an amazing pirate chef when you think about it - His powers mean that a crew could never starve, which is critically important on long sea voyages where nutrition and food availability are more important than flavor
I think the biggest mystery about kuma we all want to know is why he decided to become a cyborg. Hopefully oda reveals this in his flashback🤞
I think he did that to save Jinny or maybe through Jinny's request
I originally thought it was similar to star wars episode 2 attack of the clones. Like have the world government think the clones on their side then the revolutionary army flip the switch and take control of the strongest military in a coup. But we'll have to wait and see
@@blackbarty6473no, if that was the case, they wouldn't waste time to rescue him from Nobles
Something that might be worth noting on Kuma’s “tyrant” title. He was introduced alongside Doflamingo who took control of a country by manipulating its king. Could it be possible that Kuma is a direct contrast to that by being someone who was manipulated into doing something terrible (possibly to protect Bonny) and that’s what earned him the “tyrant” title and ultimately cost him his kingdom?
Sanji respects Stussy being committed to being helpful like he does Robin. That is why he didn't save her from Rob Lucci. Casual readers saw it like he is in capable of keeping any type of girl safe from a Rob Lucci attack. Stussy is committed to being helpful this chapter.
If the Paw-Paw fruit is somehow a necessary component to use the Nika Nika fruit effectively by using it to freaking push out Luffy's G5 time limit... holy shiiiiiit
Oh hell yeah
I Love this theory, that would make sense if the paw paw fruit can extract intangible things such as memories and tangible things such as pain, and even ethereal things such as a soul then it shouldn't be too much of a stretch for it to remove a time limit, a simpler method would just be to remove luffy's battle damage and fatigue and pain but removing the gear 5 time limit would be EPIC.
@@CreamyFire I just ranomly thought it up while watching the video, but thanks. I don't think it'll happen though but who knows with Oda
@@lazylonewolfthe question I have is how Oda would make the fights from then on not tremendously one sighted? Because Gear 5 without a time limit would be unstoppable.
@@torchlight1785 Yeah that's why I doubt it will happen. Shonen writers always gotta think about balancing and such.
Pushing Luffy's tiredness away after using G5 to spread it evenly among the Strawhats seems like a more balanced approach... granted someone else gets the paw-paw fruit fruit or a certain Seraphim that has it somehow joins the Strawhats hmmmmmm
I reeeeealllly hope Captain John's treasure was actually the dice dice fruit all along and Buggy has gone on a life-long hunt for something he already had! like he finds the chest and it has a note detailing the fruit and how someone already stole it, leading to it falling into Buddy's hands in the past
Anyone else think it would be very Oda for Captain John's treasure to of actually been Buggys Devil fruit. So buggy has spent his whole life annoyed he ate the fruit for no reason
Imagine if Nika wasn't really one person, but a Group of people with dfs representing parts of Nika. Kuma's df is hands of Nika, luffy's df is soul of Nika and maybe there are some other. It could be nice parallel for five possible dfs of gorosei and Imu
That's what I've been thinking only that I think there's one per category, Kuma's Devil fruit is the paramecia, Luffy's is the zoan, now we just need Nika's lugia fruit.
@@AnonymousEnigma19 yeah. I'm into that too. And Dragon fits this role.
He was a Freedom Fighter, seems to have a DF related to wind or storms...
Could fit well. And with the Christian theme we have the "Holy Trinity"
Father + Son + Holy Spirit (Kuma) = God (Nika)
So Nika is like the soul King from Bleach?
@@amitkenan3878 kinda? Soul King don't fight for freedom, but for some kind of balance .
@@cesarkopp2Makes no sense when Luffy Devil Fruit is literally the model Nika
Do you think Rocks is the man marked by flames because his jolly Rodger is a flaming skull?
sengoku said that rocks was definitly dead. so yeah maybe or scopper gaban
@@markusnavergard2387 I also think it might be Scooper, burned by the shells of the World Government ships when he stole the Poneglyph from them
One of my favorite "Kuma moment" this chapter was him telling Ginny that he wasn't a slave from birth but became one at 4, I see it as him knowing she would cry for him and wanting to spare her even that.
It is really interesting to note that Garp was not worried about Rocks or even what was taken from Hachinosu but IMMEDIATELY jumped into action when Roger became involved, even showing up to God Valley specifically calling out Roger. This leads me to two ideas:
1: Garp potentially knew about the "treasure" taken from the Pirate Island but wasn't making a big deal about it to cover it up for some reason and was calling out Roger as a red herring
2: Rocks wasnt that much of a threat going into God Valley but something happened on the island that turned Garp and Roger away from each other. Something else must have happened during the events of God Valley that made Rocks a real threat because Garp didnt care AT ALL that he was going there. If that is the case then whatever Rocks did at God Valley was so world shaking that it turned him from someone that one of the top marines wasn't worried about to someone who had to have their entire existence covered up.
alternative - rivalry boner for roger
+ garp dgaf about the nobles, so he doesnt make a big deal out of it until roger is involved
i think the concrete proof of kuma still alive and not robot is a devil fruit still working, and his memories still kept in that bubble
if he dies or ceases to exist, then his fruit would share the same fate, powers fading away snd relocating to a new fruit
Unfortunately that's no longer the case, the Mero-Mero no Mi's effect lingers even after it's user's death, with even the new user being unable to undo the previous user's handiwork, while the Hobi-Hobi no Mi's effect undoes if the user simply lost conciousness. It's unknown whether the Nikyu-nikyu no Mi fall into either category of Paramecia DF
this would fit well...if it wasn't for a certain group of characters such as Funkfreed
Seeing as we have a gun and a sword that have devil fruit powers, I don't see why a robot can't.
@@saltedscimitar The question is: A human transforming into a full mindless robot is stil considered the same person? Or even considered alive? Its the Ship of Theseus paradox.
@@akmalsy159how do you know this?
I'm pretty sure that when Bonney used Distorted Future, she gained a Buccaneer body. That should help confirm that she is Kuma and Ginny's child (or a clone containing both of their DNA?), her Buccaneer blood is just more diluted
They didn't seem like a romantic couple to me, just good friends. Maybe she had a daughter from another man but she died in childbirth, trusted her best friend Kuma to take care of her daughter as if she were his own
@@amitkenan3878well they’re just barely 9 in that time
I think they could easily evolve into a romantic couple in years to come
I wonder how much less effective Big Mom’s soul powers were when she was skinny. I feel like way less people would’ve been afraid of her back then since she didn’t look nearly as terrifying
She still had immensely powerful conquerors Haki which she uses during soul pocus
After all the focus and shine Wuma's gotten, he's jumped up in my favourite characters in OP most definitely, plus considering everything that was happening on God Valley Kuma saving himself, Jinny, Ivankov and 500 people is pretty remarkable since he just got his DF powers.
with saturn being there no one really should have been saved lol
@@basillah7650 Exactly 💯
I’m so glad to see Kuma stock’s are finally going up, he’s been my favorite warlord since thriller bark and it’s just nice to see him get some love
Nah the chests from the island with Gaimon would be from a previous hunting games on that island. Remember these games took place every 3 years on different islands. These could easily be the empty reward boxes from a previous competition.
It's kind of funny that one of the most important flashbacks in One Piece history is being discussed in terms of romantic love. Glorossia is revealed to be a Rocks Pirate and automatically everyone collectively began speculating who she was in love with. TBF that is the second or third most important role in the story. There's also Kuma and Ginny, who if they do end up being Bonnie's biological parents, that would make them the most adorable couple. Two kids that found themselves in the worst life imaginable, escape it, then grow up and fall in love is just plain adorable.
I don't think Gloriosa is Yamato's mom since kujas only give birth to other kujas, and while in Amazon Lily we didn't see any kuja which seemed to be of mixed origin. And if I'm not mistaken they also only give birth in Amazon Lily. Instead, I feel like she had a thing for Whitebeard since we see her arguing with Stucy over what he says, like two girls bickering over the boy they like, which could explain why modern day old Stucy needs to clarify to the world that SHE was WB's lover and bore his child. Also feel the need to point out the similarities of the two peaks in God Valley to the Candi Bentar (the split gateways) which might or might not have any importance, but hey, fun design fact I guess?
“Mama Mama” “Gorosei” im crying 😂 youu hit that😭🤣
Called rocks being like luffy when he got revealed to be some ”bad criminal” by the marines.. I think he also could have blue hair
What if the thing that made Roger laugh on Laughtale is learning the current incarnation of Nika, the savior of the world was stupid ahh Rocks
rhink gloriosa fell in love with xebec as the way she's shown of feels like she exiled herself for a mistake she did other than leaving to cure her lovesickness.
Could Saturn's eye power have inspired Iva's wink attacks?
captain john's treasure is the dice-dice fruit. so the treasure buggy was looking was actually there, right under his nos....
[Buggy has entered the chat] NOSE?!
I think that Ivankov was inspired by saturn. Saturn has his death stare as I like to call it and Ivankov uses moves like death wink and hell wink we see during Marineford and impel down.
I love the mystery of Kuma even more after seeing his backstory, especially because of how selfless he is being and yet grows up to earn the title "Tyrant" Kuma.
So I think the reason why Kuma was the least popular warlord before ties in well with why people are going to like him so much going forward. We have known Kuma for years as this silent, emotionless beast who's lost his humanity almost completely. Like its clear that deep down in there he's got some kind of emotions, but its been really hard to see/tell exactly what they are. And because of that, when we got to see the silhouette of Kuma dancing and singing with a young Bonney, that his hard for me. Like REALLY hard! Like normally when you see a very stoic character finally break and show happy emotions its such a big, uplifting moment in the manga, but here it is the exact opposite. Instead of seeing a Stoic man slowly give in through the series and start goofing off with the others, we see a man who was once happy and vibrant who has had all of that happyness stripped away from him. The fact that we have now see Kuma with emotions is going to make all his robotic moments hit so much harder now. We now know what he was before the series started, so his actions during the series are going to hurt so much more.
I think the man marked by flames who "supposedly" may hold the last ponegliph is someone we already know
There was a prominent character from the past that was encased in flames on Reddit, Mr. Morj, after saying the raid on Onigashima will fail which I'm sure was enough to leave a permanent scar
Man, I am so curious about the contents of the remaining four chests
If Xebec used the Nika fruit, it explains why his silhouette hair looks like how Luffys did when he first hit Gear 5th fighting Kaido. It's very possible, and would explain partly how the WG maybe got a hold of the fruit.
did u see the homestuck yamato at 13:46 lol
I really hope the god valley flashback will continue but I have a feeling oda will blue ball us
With the amount of Rocks pirates on thriller bark, it wouldn't surprise me if thriller bark was God valley. They both have coliseum like structures as well. Heck, Black beard technically has thriller bark because Moria sailed it to his island, and he is collecting Rocks memorabilia.
If Luffy dosen't give freedom to Kuma somehow he failed as joyboy
*Flashback to how Kuma's father said that Kuma's mother is now free to Kuma
I'm afraid I know what will happen next... Tho I REALLY hope something else happen...
*Flashback to how Kuma's father said that Kuma's mother is now free to Kuma
I'm afraid I know what will happen next... Tho I REALLY hope something else happen...
Even just the suggestion made from that image, that the Rocks pirates look like the Straw Hats is just insulting. Even in that shot of all of them jumping off the boat, they are running to do things for themselves. They aren't going in with a similar goal. It could not be more opposite of the Straw Hats than anything else.
kuma was the reason that luffy became nika
Your enthusiastic "FU HE HE!" was so juxtaposed to your usual dry delivery. Great stuff lol
I honestly would not push the idea of Yamato being Gloriosa & Kaido's child away, since from what we've seen...Gloriosa & Yamato do share a similar hair colour, and we've seen with Kaido, he does not have such hair colour so Yamato had to have inherited his white hair colour from his mother
Do we know that gloriosa's young hair colour is the same as yamato's?
@@roronoauchiha69 do we know that it isn't the same?
@@xxmension04xx47 wtf🤣 so you're gonna answer by question my questioning it
@@roronoauchiha69 Actually, the story about Yamato's hair ties closer to Dr. Stone.
@@dragonmangames2523 what?
Kuma uses his paws of Lineration as Franky uses the Light Sword in Shogun Franky to fight Garcia till Luffy gets Haki once more inorder for them all to explain. He uses shogun Franky as he doesn't really need to move.
can Kuma push the fruit from the user?
push nika's will or something
That sounds very possible.
Garp poked the beehive, “bee” standing for Blackbeard of course. Which itself is a reference to black bears, which Teech isn’t based off.
The more you know.
"Bye, kids! I'm off to punch Bumblebeard--I mean Blackbee...ah, screw it. I'm poking the hornet's nest and not even Sakazuki can stop me!" - Garp, maybe.
Roger is the biggest hit in the series, he took sides with the celestial dragons and Marines and took out his rivals that he couldn't do alone and let them keep all those slaves on God valley
It would be realy funny if Captain John`s Treasure was in fact the Chop-Chop Fruit that Buggy ate
Kuma was my favorite character since thriller bark. He and boa were the two characters I couldn't get enough. I've watched the episode with ursus shock on thriller bark countless times
Gloriosa fell in love with Rocks and Boa is their grandchildren.
Would make sense that rocks had the nika fruit.. and so poetic that he dies at god valley, and Shanks, the real treasure from god valley, ultimately hunts down the nika fruit
If Glorissa fell in love with Rocks… I’m fully prepared for the next phase of Crocomom levels of theories that be reaching…
Glorissa being *Blackbeard’s* mom.
The group shot also showed more guys (aside from Captain John) who later end up as Zombie Generals.
The darkness fruit has a similar pattern to the gomu gomu it if you look, so the swirl could also solidify our assumptions that Rocks had bb’s fruit
Kaido eating the Paw Paw DF would definitely have a significant impact on the story
I always like Kuma.. quiet, looming and just pop someone out of time and space for a moment
I have a theory,jinny eats the time fruit and in an emotional secne she uses her time powers but she turns into a baby,like when bonnie aged the straw hats not on purpose, but because she was emotionally unstable.
WAIT WAIT WAIT!!! When you said Saturn death winked Ivanvok, that reminded me of Ivankovs literal winking attack that does basically the same thing as this Gorosei power. I don’t know what this means but there has to be a connection, right?!?!
Shanks might not have been in one of the chests originally, he might have later been placed in one of the empty chests for safe keeping before being found by Roger
Kuma is pretty much a bulked up equivalent to an Enderman that can teleport and doesn't go agro on you by a glance to the face. But he really had a hard and rough life. Also imagine Franky being the son of both Zeff and Gloriosa.
Captain John's treasure was Buggy fruit.
I love Liam’s upload schedule because for me, an American, it evokes my nostalgia of Saturday morning cartoons.
2 of the chest contain Shanks and Black Beard (The son of Rocks and the Jewel that was taken from Hachinosu) :O
His final push for liberation should be for his daughter. Theirs so many ways it could be taken. She needs to have her ties with kuma cut, it sounds heartless but the only way she'll be able to move on is if her dad lets her free. More like force her to give up on him but whatever way you gotta get the job done... It would go along with Kuma sacrificing himself to liberate whoever he chooses. I could see him taking the role as "bad dad" to get Bonnie to give up on him and go on with her life. Like how he literally sacrificed his body to protect the ship at saba odi.
if the paw paw is another secret mythical zoan then kuma will die on egghead and the blackbeard pirates will get hold of his fruit because blackbeard needs a 3rd fruit and it's most likely gonna be a mythical zoan.
i love how every unawakened paramecia is now a suspect for being a mythical zoan. robin's fruit? hito-hito no mi model senjukanon, brook's fruit? hito-hito no mi model hades. kuma's fruit? idk some fictional god that only exists in the one piece universe, like nika
I believe it's just the paramecia fruits that have transformations, like how does a flower fruit sprout out limbs?
Those chests on "treasure island" could just be from a separate "hunt"
Trueeee
The buccaneers are probably the ones who manifested the Nikka devil fruit to begin with, and the hands of liberation is probably also symbolic for being a member of the creators of the warrior of liberation in the flesh. As in the “hands” that created the Nikka fruit from their hopes and wishes.
Dude, I’m still convinced that Bonney is a clone of Big Mom. The close up shot of all the Rocks’ pirates with Big Mom just looks so much like Bonney. I think the Ginny girl is almost certainly died during this hunt they showed…which obviously would mean that Kuma and her couldn’t have a kid together. I also think that’s why Vegapunk was so set on not letting Bonney know everything about Kuma’s past…idk. That shot of Big Mom just made me think Bonney is almost certainly a clone of her, but I think I might be too caught up on the clone thing because of Egghead Island lol cause I also am set that Blackbeard is a clone of Rocks. Which is why Oda will not show us exactly what he looks like…
Kuma is basically the Snape of One piece
It feels that the swirl on the rocks pirates jolly roger, may symbolise the devil fruits. One of the reasons Rocks pirates came to the god valley, was devil fruits. So maybe Rokcs are collecting powerful devil fruits, like black beard pirates.
OOOH THAT EXPLAINS WHY EVERYONE IN AMAZON LILY KNOWS HAKI
Gloriosa fell in love with Ging Freecs. The hints are all there, you really can't miss it.
Something about the phrase "Catch these hands" and "The hands of Liberation" just seems right together.
One thing about recent chapters that has left me scratching my head is a Conny, the old women that rules Sobert right now. Bonnie when she ages herself up looks like her allowing her to pose as her. Which would imply there’s a relation between the two. But Ginny is the character that is likely Bonny’s mother, and she was a slave with kuma. My initally thought was that Conny was Ginny’s mother and the queen of Sorbet, and when Kuma returned with Ginny to Sorbet he’d marry Ginny becoming the king…. But now they look like they are living a simple life alone..
O my gosh it never even occurred to me that Kuma still wearing a target! 🤯 That's a great catch.. And the Garp beehive stuff! Oda a genius.. Okay the Gaimon thing would blow my mindbrain!
Fun Idea: The treasure of Pirate Island is the big straw hat we saw with Imu, and that the whole devil fruit thing is a red herring
I've always liked Kuma, it's a shame he's not very popular. Well, that will probably change like you said. He's certainly becoming one of my favorites.
There seems to be a lot of people that represent liberation... Luffy, Kuma, Rocks, and Saturn (who is the god of liberation in Roman mythology)... It makes you wonder what liberation actually is-
7:43 fantastic impression, toei should hire you as the new voice of big mom
Let's stop beating around the bush, there is only one obvious choice for Gloriosa's love interest: Woop Slap
After all, he was the only one that recognized the rising in sea level when Lulusia was nuked, meaning he KNEW another island was deleted
It wouldn’t surprise me if gloriosa was also interested in whitebeard and the guy just kept having daughters with different kids and that’s why he was so hung up on a sun.
7:39 Kuma could have sent that Gorosei guy flying back to Pangea castle XD "Incident" "Another happy landing" XD
I still believe that Rocks is similar to Buggy. Falling upward, surrounded by strong people.
Didn't crocodile fund buggy. He was coming to get his money back from him and that's how cross guild formed
One more thing that I noticed that Liam didnt touch on was that with the Kuma and Ginny story we have started we now have a solid place in the timeline to place the child drawing of Kumo (with him carrying a bunch of sticks on his back and dressed in rags) that Oda did way way back
i wonder if Kuma's and Luffy's fruit have some secret interaction with eachother. like maybe kuma can use his power on the drums and spread true liberation
I hope kuma will use all the pain he absorbed over the years to kill an elder star.
Its a very shonen like trope, which makes me think it will never happens in one piece