Jordan Peterson - The Worst Form of Betrayal
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- Jordan Peterson explains what he believes the worst form of betrayal is.
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Hell is different for everyone! With that said, betrayal is definitely up there.
You are trapped in disbelief and confusion.
Similar to being a victim of narcissistic person.
Had both happen to me at the same time by 2 different people.
The craziest thing, you blame yourself for everything! Because they put it back on you.
what is the source video?
Dr Petersen, have you deleted my comment?
@@goodgoyim9459 ua-cam.com/video/IRCZ1Mt2a8M/v-deo.html
Yes, I suffered sexual abuse by my mother making me have sex with camp counselors that she employed. It went on every year from 11 to 21. I call her my ex mother and have nothing to do with her. She also took my son from me at 13 and did the same sort of thing with him.
"The saddest thing about betrayal is that it never comes from your enemies."
Great quote.
Hate to be "that" guy but there's no chance that an enemy can betray you so it's kind of a moot point. 🤷
They were always your enemy just pretending not to be.
@@GTDpowah...that's exactly the commentors point, and I believe it's a good one :)
Isn't that the truth....
When I was 7 years old my 'stepfather' SA me in the worst way, against my will. I told my mother later that day. She didn't believe me. She said I was lying and making it up. She said "He's so nice to you; why are you so mean to him?" I buried it for 40 years until I was 47. Now I know why my older brother ended his own life years ago. I'm 50 years old now. It's the hardest thing I've ever had to go through. The world is a cold, dark place for a lot of people. It is possible to come through it though. And it's possible to have a happy, productive life. I have. My mother died 10 years ago. The perpetrator still walks the planet. I miss my brother. My mom, not so much. Sick world.
Sorry this happened to you. Hopefully you can find a trauma therapist. Hugs.❤
ABSOLUTELY A SURVIVOR YOU ARE AND GIVE YOUR SELF THE CREDIT FOR THAT! YOUR HELL IS NOT KNOWN BUT THOUGHT TO BE KNOWN BY OTHERS! GOD BLESS YOU AND I AM SO SORRY ABOUT YOUR BROTHER! SAD YOUR MOTHER WAS IMPOSSIBLE AND THE SCUM WILL GET HIS IF HE HAS NOT ALREADY……
@@tnt01 Thank you, but I don't need one. I've already worked through it. I've already overcome it.
@@elizabethcanterbury1507 The perp has to walk the planet knowing deep down inside who he really is. I believe every day he walks on Earth is hell on Earth for him until he repents, which I doubt he will ever do.
I would like you to know that you always have a home in God. He has shown me signs, miracles and wonders! He kept His promises to me and He is faithful. The Lord says in The Bible, ‘Seek Me, and when you seek Me with all your heart, you shall find Me.’ Praying for you in the name of Jesus that you can find peace soon. The world was a dark place for me too for a long time. God saved me and He will save you too!
To take a child’s innocence is the ultimate betrayal and the highest form evil.
You cannot take someones innosence, thats always someones own consistent choices but you can take their expectations about safety and naivity about their surroundings away
Psychedelics are just an exceptional mental health breakthrough. It's quite fascinating how effective they are against depression and anxiety. Saved my life.
Can you help with the reliable source I would really appreciate it. Many people talk about mushrooms and psychedelics but nobody talks about where to get them. Very hard to get a reliable source here in Australia. Really need!
Yes, dr.poras. I have the same experience with anxiety, depression, PTSD and addiction and Mushrooms definitely made a huge huge difference to why am clean today.
I wish they were readily available in my place.
Microdosing was my next plan of care for my husband. He is 59 & has so many mental health issues plus probable CTE & a TBI that left him in a coma 8 days. It's too late now I had to get a TPO as he's 6'6 300+ pound homicidal maniac.
He's constantly talking about killing someone.
He's violent. Anyone reading this
Familiar w/ BPD know if it is common for an obsession with violence.
Is he on instagram?
Yes he is dr.poras.
My first memory I recall at age 3 was being literally pushed intoba corner in my home and being sa'd by my stepfather, while my mother was a few metres away sleeping on the couch. My worst betrayal was that my mother found out about all tgese years of sexual abuse when I was 10 and she still stayed with that deviant and to this day, claims she loves him and always did. Even though he died about 16/17 years ago. That is seeing the heart of darkness, man. That is the ULTIMATE betrayal. Times 3
Some women should be restricted from having kids. Let me wholeheartedly hug you Melany❤️
My heart goes out to you, I know that betrayal it sears through the soul like nothing else.
You were also betrayed by your mother, and in my view is even worse. May God Bless you so that you find a path to liberation of those horrible nightmares.
I was SA’d by my step father too. When I told my mom about the ongoing abuse soon after becoming an adult, she admitted she had a feeling. Fast forward 20+ years, she just renewed her wedding vows with that POS. Yep, I have seen the face darkness, the worst betrayal came from my mother.
I've been betrayed by every single person in my life... Except my beautiful children. I vow to keep them whole.
Same!
Yes exactly. I understand.
What about your partner, who helped you bring them into the World?
They are a combination of you two. Whether you want it or not. Genetically and spiritually.
@@Imitatechrist Ahe? She is the very worst of team Judas. Truly horror movie worthy. A lesson in 'theoretical ideals' not being applicable in a lot of cases.
@@PiousPioneerIntuitive444 you are truth? My goodness, that sounds like heaven.
I'm a 70 year old American man, a Native of Iowa. I'm a Singer/Songwriter. I wrote a sing about a young friend of mine when she was in her early 20s. She had been through remarkable difficulties in 5 years. The hook of the chorus is...To hell and back at such a tender age.
Sounds like Psyche. The one and only one mortal to be fully defined. She from Hades and back ... and then all the way up atop Mount Olympus.
Neat trick.
I took a trip to the underworld almost voluntarily. I wanted to commit suicide for a long time. I had been sexually assaulted by a cousin when I was young as well and it devastated me when I realized it wasn't ok. My life has been pretty bad for ten years. I've been trying to recover. I was the class clown, the funny guy and I went into deep depression. Drugs, dark sexual addictions that I'm still working on and overall just a horrible experience. My parents really did their best to support me. I've barely worked on ten years and also developed heart problems. I'm trying to make it back but life is so difficult and hard. Dr Peterson has probably helped me more than anyone else on earth . He's helped me see things from a different light and brought me back before I was brainwashed going to university. I'm trying to see the beauty in things again. In people and nature. I still don't have a job but I'm working on it and I live with a girl from another country now in a different city who was been supportive even though she doesn't know everything. It's really disgusting struggles I've dealt with . I'm really trying to heal.
The Orthodox Church is a good place for healing from God an fellow Christians.
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The" 7 minute meditation "on you tube might be helpful. Best wishes ❤
Keep trying your hardest... you have everything to gain.
You'll never be better unless you study Catholicism...the rituals of Mass, Eucharist, and Confession. You have a burden of guilt and shame, that doesn't belong to you. It belongs to the perps. Not you.
betrayal by family is the worst and should not be forgiven .My mother , father , grandmother , and two sisters were all narcissists. I wasn't SA but left in rags, robbed , starved , betrayed and used by them into adulthood . They all faced the truth from me one day and showed they are the weak ones .
Same here. I'm struggling so much to come to terms with the enormity of the betrayal by my family and the impact it has had on my life. Like Peterson said, it blew me to pieces...
I hope you are proud of showing them. The thing about narcissists is they became who they are very young in life and will not change in this lifetime, no matter what. You deserve better people around you and a better life for yourself while you have one, without them in it. There may be a few with regrets who learned the behaviour, but underneath are not that, they simply believed this was how you live because that is what they were taught, they will applogize and try hard to prove they are different, but otherwise, they are not worth your time, and unfortunately they often inform the nasty NPD, but you may have other extended family or community you can connect with who distanced themselves as well. What is sometimes healing is to learn about why and where they came from, but living a happy life for you while you still can and knowing there is better out there is even more important. It is a cruelty to know and to realize how badly you were treated in your innocence, but you can be proud of you.
Me too. My narcissistic in laws also did it to me. For many years, my husband didn't defend or protect me against them either. All the betrayal I experienced, starting with my own borderline mother and enabling father, left me with cptsd, bitterness and resentment. It's only been through finding God that I've been able to slowly heal those wounds but it took 40 years and I'm still recuperating.
Good for you. I think it is very important to find a way to confront it and show the truth.
Virtually everyone experiences betrayal to one degree or another. Yes, it's tragic, very tragic. It's also one of the most profound tests we can face in life. How you face betrayal and who you are on the other side of betrayal is far more significant and more telling than the betrayal itself...
I wish they had offered a class in school to help understand and process it. I might have had a shot.
Absolutely! If you’re a child, it’s a bit more complicated but as adults it’s how we face it, deal with it and learn from it. The Lord gets me through life and its challenges with grace, forgiveness and peace. I don’t know how non believers get through life, it must be positively exhausting and miserable. 😞
there is a definite significance in the depth of Betrayal !!?? you are no saint.,,.,,. ? wth?? yes we all experience some sort of it BUT there are some that outweigh others by MILESTONES.,,. Do Not Belittle this !!??
I’m a survivor of childhood sexual abuse. My perpetrator was the neighbor….and never caught.
No one ever knew for just over 50 years. Finally began treatment, one of the best things I have ever done.
Yes, being violated in this way is one of the most ultimate types of abuse. Survivors live with it every day of our lives.
I am very sorry to hear this! Stay strong, wish you the best!
@@hiephan1902 Thank you
He didnt get away with it. Almighty God knew. He will or has taken vengeance for you
@@kjsfl386 Absolutely. I know that one day he will.
Experienced SA starting at age 4. This is amazing and very validating.
Both my older sister and I were by my older brother. She remembers, yet I have no waking memories, only dream memories. She finally admitted to me in our fifties that yes, my suspicions were right; that I was also. Yet, I still have no actual recall when I'm awake. Just a really fucked up life. Still.
The body and unconscious never forget.
I see your beautiful spirit, Jordan Peterson. Many thanks for sharing your knowledge and wisdom. Your heart is in the right place ❤
You combat evil with live truth and beauty in absence of malevolence
Child abuse is one of the worst betrayals, but it is made worse when the perpetrators don't go to jail or its not even reported, they get away with it spiritual, religious, societal, legal and judicial along with cultural, family and political, along with medical, specialist, and media, like its ok thing to do, to cover it up.
I have a question, does God advise us to turn the other cheek when he knows you have information that can possibly help. Lord give me the strength to see thru your eyes, talk thru your mouth and feel thru your heart!
Yes it is especially when the perp is a family member. If you cant trust your family, who can you trust?
@@RedRum207 just have common sense
I think it comes from demonic obsession. It's too odd and disordered to be legitimate or even deviant. I see through the lens of an exorcist, so I look to demonic influence and constant probing for weakness to exploit. It's so bizarre and counter to normality, that I just assume it's a form of demonic disorder (The diabolic seeks to offend God by committing apostasy, and harassing children would be right up their wheel house).
Evil people have the most supporters cause the humans seem to be evil at core. There is a man in my neighborhood who physically attacked countless women outside on the street because he hates women. Many witnesses, a lot of lawsuits against him, etc. and many many years after, this man still hasn't suffered one little consequence for his actions. I am living in Central Europe, in a country that is known for being very strict, but since the world supports the evil, no laws applies on this men. I am also surprised at the amount of supporters he has. He doesn't even experience social punishment!
I am glad you are there Dr Peterson. Thankyou.
Betrayal for me has been to find out from an older sister who was told by my Mom’s best friend that she, my Mom tried to abort me using alcohol and sitting a bath of hot water… this solution prescribed to her by her Dr.
When I learned of this in my 50’s things became clear…my role in my family, and other extenuating issues. It’s not easy to unravel.
I became a Christian 40 yrs. ago. Ever since God has revealed much. I looked into the abyss, many times and God redeemed each time.
God through Jesus has been my answer.
Love lifted me out of the abyss.
God bless everyone.
My mom wanted to abort me, my dad stoped her. Sometimes life can be unbearable, i believe they had their reasons. Even though it also hit me hard when she told me, i wont deny.
And God made sure you made it into the world. Because the world needs you and your testimony.
But how can you take that personally? I get your emotions were hurt and you felt rejected in some way but it was clearly only about your mom and her state of mind, she didnt even know you
Amen!
@@PersisP Because we as humans naturally presume our mothers are there to love and protect their children not kill and discard. Aborted kids are tossed into the f’ng trash. No memorial of their existence. But that’s another issue. Of course it’s a betrayal of the child and nature itself. Crime against humanity and nature!!
Let nobody talk you out of knowing what you know. Let nobody remain in your energy who is untrustworthy. Let not your heart be troubled by the trifling schemes of man nor the slings and arrows of that ancient liar and false accuser. Our purpose here is above and beyond what people think, scheme, say, or do.
Beautifully said .
We fight not flesh & blood , forgive them for they know not what they do. May God use it all for his good and glory
@@JesuisLordWhat if they DO know what they do though? That's what I find myself wrestling with. Those that DID know, EXACTLY what they were doing, and did it anyway to better their own lives while having zero problem with throwing your future and your very life into the gutter. What do you do then?
Betrayal is so painful that we may hide it to ourselves. It has been called betrayal blindness. Almost every abuse survivor (at least too many) has to deal with meeting that when seeking help. Imagine a child that already think abuse is either normal and/or their fault (they know nothing else!) but can't bear it, and still, despite the shame felt actually do ask for help and are not believed... hope dies, hell remain...
I looked for help. They pumped me with drugs. They didn't call them drugs, because I did, even though all those drugs they forced upon me say on their leaflets that they are 'drugs.' Those idiots were supposed to be professional and Drs and the such. They then called me a Paranoid Schizophrenic.
AND STILL DO.
My "family, friends and partner/s" threatened me with it for years before it happened, because I knew what was happening to me was wrong and I challenged the bad behaviours. Then when I moved out of the screaming, hateful ones cages they forced me into...
Then -
-Then they attacked me more horrifically than ever and went through with the threats they put on me from a young age.
What's happened/happening to me is unforgivable.
You still want to attack me and yet you are nothing to do with me anymore hellish people!
You have mad, evil and crazy thoughts about me and what you labelled me with is what you have always been.
You should of elevate someone who decides to leave hell behind. But you don't. You hate them.
I will see justice and my enemies (who should not have been my enemies 😨) will get to the hell that they created for me, but what GOD created for them.
That's one of the issues I am dealing with now. Now that I can see what abuses I grew up under without even realizing it and how they have negatively affected me as an adult, it's hard to work through.
After betrayal comes anger, doubt, suspicion and, ultimately, a loss of hope
I have no hope for humanity, sadly
@@6YoungAngel9 Who cares about "humanity". Worry about yourself.
Still working through those things myself.
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Amen to that
What a powerful, concise video. I am the oldest of five children and my father was a monster. Most of the time he was an amazing guy but, then out of nowhere he would flip like Jekyll and Hyde into violent, abusive behavior. Growing up in an unstable household I developed hyper vigilance early on and only at the age of 58 years old have I begun to learn how to relax and trust people again. There is no telling the amount of lives he destroyed from SA inside and outside the family. He spent half of his life in prison and died there in Angola. My brother Michael got the worst of his abuse and is in Angola for life for kidnapping and SA of a seven year old girl- with no possibility of parole. He forgave my father completely and took care of him in prison up to the day he died.
My greatest struggle in all of this was rage against their awful behavior and holding GOD'S feet to the fire of accountability. Why does God allow or permit evil when He has the power to stop it? Until I found and understood that answer my healing could not take place. I wish for healing and pray for all of those who have had to go through this hell on Earth. Jeffrey Z. in SC
And what was the answer you found about why God allows evil?
@@jeanjacqueslundi3502 Well it's not initially palatable and virtually all Christians will immediately balk at the answer though, the bible makes it very clear. God does not allow evil; He purposed it from the beginning for a temporary time period for permanent results in His divine plan. Notice... God has a comprehensive knowledge of ALL things good and evil (omniscience) and He purposed with His very words in Genesis "Let us make mankind in our IMAGE and our LIKENESS. Those are two different things. The Hebrew word for image means "shadow man" this is referring to the temporary physical nature of Adam and all mankind during our life on Earth. The second Hebrew word for likeness means to be indistinguishable from the original which is represented in Jesus Christ, like when He said "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father". So, the first part of God's plan was to give him an experience of evil. "The man has now become like us knowing good and evil". Note Ecclesiastes 1:13 in the bible. "What a heavy burden God has given men". But, that does not do any real justice to what the explicit text actually says. The concordant literal version lays it out- "It is an experience of evil Elohim has given the sons of humanity to humble them". There are numerous verses in Isaiah, like 45:7 is another classic example. There are many verses through the scriptures that state unequivocally God's full responsibility for evil.
Do you think God intended for mankind to never know His goodness or glory? Do you believe that God wanted us to know what sharing love with another human being was like? Holding the results of that love in your arms with your newborn infant? There are a million GOOD things that God wants us to experience during this short life. How is it possible for you to relish in holding that newborn baby boy or girl you conceived in LOVE with your lover? It is because Adam sinned and took from the tree of knowledge of good AND evil. You cannot understand one without the contrast of the other. Pay attention to the CHOICE God gave Adam. WHEN you take from the tree you shall surely die- The choice was never "IF" you take from the tree. People try to tell me that the garden of Eden and all He created was perfect before sin...It was not. What was missing from the creation account that kept it from being perfect? There is no praise or worship. Adam and Eve are in the presence of the Almighty and they are clueless about his goodness and mercy. Do your own research and dig in but, don't expect much help from orthodoxy. Good luck and take care. Jeffrey Z. in SC
@@PulseCodeModulate I appreciate the effort, but could you express that as if I were 5? God gave us an experience of evil so that we become like Christ, is that it?
@@jeanjacqueslundi3502 Not just like Christ but, God Himself. ALL will be resurrected and saved in the end though many will go through the lake of fire to be purified first. Only after we receive our supernatural, indestructible bodies will we be able to stand in our Creators presence due to His sheer power. Thanks. Jeffrey Z. in SC
So why does God allow such horrible things to happen especially to children when he has the power to stop it?
It affects EVERYTHING! I love JP…God bless you!!!! 🙏🏽❤️🙏🏽
At my AA meeting I was slandered in front of the entire group of thirty people. That is forbidden to speak up against anyone no matter what. It's called 'cross talk'. I knew some of those people didn't like me but I tried to be friendly anyway. Not one person apologized nor tried to tell those people to shut up, which is the secretaries' job, but anyone can speak up against it.
I realized after some weeks that they would not change their lying ways, so I left them. My sin at the moment was to make a pretty girl laugh. They couldn't get me on anything else, so they got me for laughing. They claim in the AA book that "we are not a glum lot". But it's ok to ruin a person in public.
And that is betrayal.
They are cowards, nothing more, nothing less. Could never be and live like that. Absolutely decpicabable.
Glad you left this group.
Never misunderestimate the dangers of stupid people in large groups. Group dynamics usually devolve into scapegoating. Fuck em. All you need is the christian sacrements (rituals). It works....all by yourself. You just don't need a group of hypocrites around you. That group proved, they were not getting any better...and they obviously didn't have GRACE. How do you recieve grace? Ernest submission to God's Will, not your own. So...what have you learned about people who don't have grace? You don't need a group around you to recieve grace. The key for AA is to pursue grace. With that, the demonic will never manifest resulting in addiction.
Alcoholics can have a pathological need to control other peoples’ behavior even if they’re in recovery. They will misuse the program to shut down the people who bring up legit problems. Leaving was the only move.
I agree, what it taught me, a lesson, I still adhere to, is never to fully trust anyone. All my life have relied, in the end, on my own convictions and decisions. People have become very angry with me if I have asked for their opinion or advice but then end up acting in a way that they themselves did not advance. I have become and am my only protector.
It's called keeping your own counsel. Not to be confused with a stubborn, closed-minded fool.
Amen, Dr. Peterson!
No child should have to endure this!
In some cases your passed around into slavery for decades of your life!
Only God, can heal you, and bring great people into your life!!
Most people don’t make it out!!
Glory be to God for good people who have the eyes to see and ears to hear with “real” beating hearts!!🙏❤️🕊🌟🎶🌹
You combat evil with truth, love and beauty ❤❤❤.
Living in Canada under the current liberal coalition feels like being trapped in an additional circle of Dante's Inferno. Once, we cherished our freedom, but now it seems we're losing everything we once held dear.
guns go first, freedom of speech follows... and still you guys have yet to have an uprising... do you deserve the slavery? it's a choice whether or not you fight and so far the canadians have laid down.
You are being betrayed, so it is the same. You trust the government to keep you safe, but they turn out to be the threat themselves. It is happening in many Western countries.
OMG, he’s talking about hell and child abuse and you come up with this? Pathetic!
@@hiephan1902 But he's not wrong. It's a common feeling all over the US and Europe now too. The collective consciousness knows something is terribly wrong now but not what to do about it yet.
@@hiephan1902she’s right . I happen to be Canadian too so is Jordan Peterson. There is a very thick black cloud hovering over Canada for the last 8 years of our liberal government and our people feel helpless, talk about resentment I am from the west and we are badly being bullied by the east. All,the democratic western countries are in the same vote.
If there is no trust, there is no relationship. Anyone who SA’s, abuses, violates another human is pure evil!
In essence it is good vs evil, and both are in the human heart!
There is no one good. Not even one
Yes there is. I had a patient in residency who was born deaf & blind. She could not speak. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil! A beautiful, vulnerable soul.
Nothing hurts more than mistakes that you had done.
Not so much what others did.
So you want to become good for yourself to have peace not for others
I’ll stick with dogs. Never had one betray me.
The love from animals is something pure, very similar to God's love. That's why they were a gift for us to steward. No human can love as pure as an animal can love. They don't have sinful minds the way we do.
I think he’s probably the best dress man I agree with what he say 100% but I can’t help but think about his beautiful suit. Dang he looks good he dresses so good. He’s enough to make me wanna lose weight because you can only look good in clothes when you’re thin and boy doesn’t he look good in those clothes, and I do not mean any harm by this I just want to compliment him. I know his wife is so proud of him.🎉❤
agree beauty in the world is important - he actually did a podcast on his suits and how he started to spend his money to look better
@@julie-anntownley-rivett5173 I might try to find that podcast. Thank you for the heads up.
@@user-zb5io8rg8w yes its interesting to see his physical change from the earlier podcasts when he did the lectures in the classroom
Ever wonder why colleges did away with the Classics and replaced it with identity politics and how we got to where we are right now in America in 2024?!
Try and won’t take much to understand who hates science and enlightenment for the average aspiring individual and it’s affect on our youth seeking “higher learning” in the USA and elsewhere.
Margaret Thatcher was quoted somewhere that kids don’t need literature in education because it promotes socialism 😬 In America, many people seem to read only one book and that’s Bible. The same as in Islamic countries, many people only read Quran. And that’s it. Classics, philosophy, good modern writers are to many people totally unknown territory. And I often think that a good book is an excellent companion and protector from regular mental torments (instead of anti-depressants!)
@@SculptExpress-gv8jp I agree. As an agnostic child I read every day…Mark Twain, Edgar Allen Poe, etc….it enhanced my ideas on humanity and history. One of my rules raising my son is 20mins a day reading a book. He often reads longer and runs in to tell me how excited he is about what he read. I am a Christian now and read my Bible but not enough 🤔. To live a life like Christ as a sinner that He saved by grace connects my childhood hopes for humanity and my own soul. I am 52yrs old and doing better than I deserve facing the madness that is modernity/tyranny. To love others bound by truth and as myself is so powerful and full of hope. May God bless all the works of your hands.
Hope is the anchor for the soul
No, only God can anchor the soul. To find Him you must sit still and listen and keep listening...
@@juliesheard2122 Hope comes from God, so they're OK in their statement
I agree there is some bit of hell when people betray you. You nailed it. Thanks for these short videos.
Brilliant. So much intensity in under 5 minutes.
Betrayal... The only unforgivable sin!
not according to scripture
Then you don’t know why forgiveness is there for .
Not according to christianity, which, states that the only unforgivable sin is speaking against the Holy Spirit...which honestly sounds like a load of crap!
@@samppakoivula9977 Is that what you are going to say to your Lord and Creator on judgement day??
@@samppakoivula9977 to you maybe, not myself.
So
That is what disturbing me
I refuse to talk about what I went thru when I was but a toddler, not more...
And what I had to endure when I grew up
And later from my mom when I was mother by myself...
I can talk about it only with very trusted person. Therapist who will keep my secrets safe. And I saw all kinds of "caregivers" unfortunately
Thank you
Silence is a true friend who never betrays. - Confucius
The documentary is called 'Hearts of Darkness' directed by the late Eleanor Coppola.
He made it through without crying....good for him....good for him....
i love the way he expresses himself in this video. he used to digress a lot and was a lot more difficult to follow, but here its beautiful
he knows so much and communicates that knowledge through real world examples he's seen really well.
A Toronto University literature professor taught and guided us about this novel The Heart of Darkness. It is really telling on how evil can be created whenever 'somebody' gains too much power over other people. Then the evil becomes a bottomless pit that swallows and destroys everything.
Good thoughts, I have endured extraordinary familial betrayal. This message reminds me, that those who are betraying, are functioning from a feeling of betrayal themselves. Part of the journey out of "hell" described, can include developing elements of compassion even, if not especially for the betrayer. Thanks, Jordan this time!
He's wearing a shooting jacket. It's got a recoil pad on his right shoulder!
He’s a G
Jordan’s dope
Experiencing hell in this life is a great blessing compared to experiencing hell in the next life because this life is temporary where as the next life is forever.
The next life is death, and while it is forever it is also just non-existence. You won't experience anything there, because you won't exist anywhere.
@@nonyobisniss7928goodness you sound so convincing yet through that is a full story of projection. No one really knows thats the point of faith and hope.
@@nonyobisniss7928 Right now I'd be happy with that.
You don’t know that for sure.
This made me cry
One of your best Jordon
Thank you ❤
the worst betrayal is when you betray yourself.
Forgive … I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
This is is sooooo much easier said than done..
Nope. Just leads to more mistreatment.
Enemy has different definitions than a parent abusing a child this is evil and has to be restrained
For the sake of our health and salvation we must let it go and God is a good God he wash our sins and pain away in the blood of Jesus
I would not pardon an evil person I would forgive him/her for the love of God for us and eternal salvation.
True. I've had to actually distance myself from people who did me wrong to avoid killing them. The thoughts never go away...@@SunnyDays70s
Wasted on a narcisst ..they couldn’t care less,what u do for them..they enjoy making ur life a misery and they still don’t get it,
Yes. Thankyou for this.
Thank you JP
It highlights the critical need for understanding and developing a robust personal philosophy to navigate and mitigate the consequences of such issues. 💡
My niece committed suicide at 19! I went to India to see my sister. After a few days of sympathizing my sister, I told her she must have been sexually abused by her father. My sister denied it even though she herself was both physically and sexually abused by him and lived separately for years. Make the story short while I was in India the father milked himself. My sister finally started talking about many signs that made her believe my poor innocent niece was abused by him. What a monster 👹
Thank you ❤
You nailed it
Well... wow, so so true, I don't even have words to describe my emotions right now😢
Seen a lot of JP but this appears as one of THE most important clips
🎉🎉❤❤❤thank you,enuf of Dante,we need to live calmly without toxics.
Thank you Jordan….i was interested in this video because I experienced the worst betrayal of all….i wondered what you were going to say…and there it was, child sexual abuse by a parent. I have never felt as much pain in my entire life as the day I came forward and shared that truth. That was 30 years ago….ive healed and forgiven but I’ll never forget that feeling…there are no words.
"The lowest down of hell, the bottom of hell is the betrayals "
So validating
I've been betrayed by my love. He betrayed me by his relationships and at the end leaving me claiming I'm a narcissist, blocking me. After 20 years of a deep friendship and forgiveness.... that is betrayal
Betrayal... the most painful is the realisation that others do not condemn the abuser for what he does. Thát feels like the ultimate betrayal. The abuser who turns into a demonic figure is painful and shocking, but the silence of those who protect the family hierarchy just feels profoundly alienating. Knowing that you are not part of the group, that feels like betrayal. The feeling of devaluation and insignificance: how can anybody pick sides in favor of the agressor? The lesson you learn from it at a young age is, that morals are just hypocrisy and as a result you copy the abuse onto other living beings you can dominate. That's a dark hole to enter.
And later in life feeling that all the projected abuse and rejection filled anger made you just as bad. Also knowing that this behaviour emerged as an erratic and uncontrollable impulse at times. Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde... In such a life there is no acceptance or love. Only repression, oppression, and frustration. Abused and abuser at the same time.
Thank you thank you thank you
Yes, absolutely… 2-7 yrs old. Just couldn’t even accept that this was my family. I never could look them in the eyes trust them and it made me extremely hyper sensitive and hyper aware. Blessed now at 30 to be clairvoyant and Clairsentience very conscious after waking up at 25 to what I repressed for so long after it happened again with my bf that was exactly like my dad. Physical and sexual abuse. Betrayal was so beyond painful but it build me up after being suicidal for 28 years. 30 now and so proud of myself I found me healing myself self love for the first time. Got rid of everyone in my past and now im stepping into my purpose! Such a hard and fearful childhood into young adulthood. Now I feel amazing I rebirthed. And surrender I accepted I forgave I set boundaries and damn I’m am free from that and the devil
Himself!!!!
God bless this man.
The freedom from betrayal....Is forgiveness.
Then why is it a place for people in hell?
How?
@@MRKetter81 You have to repent and get on your knees and ask for it.
You forgive them if they are truly sorry and act upon the sorry.
"I PROMISE I'LL LEAVE HER ALOOOOOOWWWN"
he hasn't
Because he wasn't sorry and doesn't want ME to be happy.
Just wanted and wanted and wanted because you are out of control 😅
Childhood sexual abuse is not on the forgivable list it's an offence and lifelong damage.
A philosophy of good vs evil sets the latter in stone and the former as airy-fairy
Life is like peeling an onion - peel away one layer and you find another; peel away the second and there is a third, and so on. Layer upon layer, and like peeling an onion, you will cry.
Repeated behaviors is where I feel real trust not just a few words or an occasional act of kindness followed by crazy making behaviors, seems like I have learned exploitation and manipulation and really deception and betrayal there can never equal any level of trust
Betrayal is the sign of a traumatized soul,
The angel is what comes out of the flames.
sometimes I feel I wasn't abused enough to justify the feelings I have towards my mother.
I’ve been told… don’t compare and then minimize your abuse to yourself. You were abused. It hurts and messes with us.
@@SB4E.2 I guess so...I mean we have to compare with something I guess....ultimately theres some sort of standard we're comparing against. Maybe it's a question of basic needs not being met...the minimum requirements.
Yes. Exactly!!!
I've heard that the lowest circle of hell is reserved for betrayer,s and mutineers. Betrayed trust is an unforgivable sin.
The worse is speaking out and nothing being done except the child talking the brunt of another's actions, think about that
I’ve been betrayed by the people I love most more times than I even want to willing remember. My ex husband, my mom, my dad, my sister, my Godmother, my ex-in laws. It’s a pain I wouldn’t wish upon anyone, not even for a second, no human being should have to endure the weight of that pain, knowing you mean nothing to the people you love most, seeing how little they think of you, when you would swim across oceans for them. It’s sad to say the least, I’ve spoken to God about this many times but I definitely think that people should not be allowed to use their free will to hurt others… just saying…
Me 2 darling--- those closest to me were narcissistic deceivers and only thru a personal apocalypse by the hand of the Father was it made clear to me.
I've become a misanthropist in the late 4th Q of life. I literally can't tolerate people as the vast majority walk the broad path.
God created us for relationship with Him and each other. Our choice to sin separates us from God, and it separates us from each other. God is completely holy and righteous. Our sin makes us unrighteous. It makes us betray Him (and each other) because we worship our sin, ourselves and each other rather than worshipping Him. It creates a bottomless chasm between us and Him as we chose our sin over Him. This is why Jesus had to die, taking all our sins onto His sinless flesh, dying in our place, then resurrecting 3 days later, defeating eternal separation from Him and each other - as prophesied hundreds of years beforehand. If we can admit to our sin, turning away because sin hurts both us and Him, put our faith in His sacrifice and trust Him with our eternal souls, then that relationship is restored, eternally. That's probably why Dante chose betrayal as the worst sin. It cost God everything, but He redeemed it purely because He loves us. Hell is real, but so is Heaven.
100 percent Truth. SA by both of my covert, spiritual narcissist parents. Also both of my sisters, and at least one of my daughters. It has utter destroyed our family, and my immediate family. Obliterated. And yet my surviving parent is the suffering saint, slandering me to anyone who she comes in contact with. You know, praying for me...christian gossip. One of my sisters cut ties nearly 30 years ago. She had recall. I finally did several years ago. Now, at least I have a relationship with her again, and to God be the Glory! My remaining sister is aligned with our mom, but has had a miserable life and won't face what happened to her. She was seen being SA by my other sister. It's vomitous. It really is the gates of hell.
There is no such thing as sin or free will. We’re just products of our environment.
@@Verenike4ever what does God have to do with it? You finally had The sense to remove yourself from evil toxic people.
@@KAT-dg6el I wasn't speaking to you. Those are my personal spiritual convictions, and you don't align yourself with them. That's your free will. For me, my free will is a conscious choice to follow Jesus. You don't have to, although it seems to bother you. Have a lovely evening.
Thank you for putting this horror into words. - I do not understand, why some people estimate your outspoken words to be „wrong“.
Especially on this matter of abuse and betrayal during the most fragile phase of an upbringing. Thank you .
What about the promise of faith healing and it not happening? On your knees crying and begging to the sound of silence. I feel betrayed.
This is the moment when Reality faces Ideolgy 😊
Good
Now, draw the right conclusions 👌
I love your eyebrows
I actually have to disagree. I have been a victim of this form of abuse as well as physical and mental abuse from a 1 grade teacher but the worst betrayal and pain I have ever experienced is from my daughter whom I love with every part of my being, who cut me completely out of her life. That is the worst pain I have ever experienced. Worse then my ex husband cheating on me multiple times. I think it's because I love her so much and there has never been anything I wouldn't have done for her ( not to say I was a perfect parent ) but she cut me out of her life and the life of her first child, my grandchild whom I will probably never know. That is the lowest form of hell I have ever experienced. I will, without any doubt in my mind die from a broken heart.
Peterson wrecked some shop here
I think Kant would very much disagree that good and evil is religious. Divine or spiritual yes, but not religious. The meaning of religion keeps getting conflated with spirituality.
People should be very cautious when betraying others with kind hearts committed to g-d for g-d and the angels sees all
The ones who hurt and betray others especially the vulnerable…
Betrayal by a family, especially a parent, is the worst evil.
I know it all too well. The person I've always loved most in the world (one of my parents) lives with me now in their advanced age, and the person they are now is far from the person I knew in my childhood or perhaps is the actual person my childhood self didn't comprehend. Whichever the case, the person they are now isn't the loving, kind person I knew then. They're impatient, ill-tempered, indifferent, often cold if not outright hostile, and even physically aggressive. Some of that can be attributed to age and mild (for the moment) symptoms of Alzheimer's/dementia as well as alcohol abuse (also an unwelcome addition to their and thus my life), but a lot of it is their worst character trait (mean-spirited impatience) amplified far beyond what I remember.
The betrayal of the love I held for them and still try to share is the worst form of soul eroding decay I can imagine. No matter how often and in what manner I try to be close to them, there's always this roadblock where they simply don't have the time nor patience for me unless they've specifically made the time. Casual friendliness and good humor (that was abundant in my youth) is all but dead, especially if I'm interrupting ANYTHING they're doing...and they're always doing something. I might as well be living with a stranger that only vaguely likes me and just puts up with me the rest of the time, and even then only barely. I'm treated as a nuisance, an annoyance, and it will be this way until they are gone because I'm the only caregiver they'll have from here until in their end.
It has, and does, make me suicidal (which is something I already was for other reasons ). I keep coming back to a Korn song, "The Worst Is On Its Way", because I can already see it on the horizon, and its herald is already sharing my home with me.
Whether real or imagined, the memory of all those good things comes from a beautiful part of you. It can be precious to remember who we are, and it's things like this that show us.
I'm sorry about your situation. It's relatable to people in my own family, and I know it's never easy. Despite this I still don't have all the answers for everyone going through it, but I see how much you care to even try. I ask you don't assume you have to do this alone. It's too often underestimated that carers need and deserve support of their own too. Please find a support network, and remember self care too. Check in with yourself and ask what you really need.
I won't be able to respond later, this tech won't even notify me, but I wish you the best, and there often are supports available when asked for. The more practical the support might be most helpful, such as help in the home and such so you can have some time for yourself too. It can be more difficult finding trustworthy help with psychology, but I don't doubt you could be resourceful there too, considering you're watching videos like this one.
Virtual hugs if you want them.
I agree with him
Single mother epidemic seems to have enabled a lot of this behavior from reading comments. A lot of complacent moms allowing their new boy toys to destroy the kids lives just like they destroyed their own through divorce.
Abandoned as a child, physically abused, emotionally abused, sexually abused, mocked and bullied at school. Gave my little bit of trust I garnered to a wife, she slept around, manipulated me, lied to me, steals...still around and facing all of this...
Easy to talk about this, go through it...
Walk the path of righteousness and keep your focus on the eternal reward pal---life here is brief, eternity is forever.
I've been thru the marriage wringer too with a narcissistic demon years ago but her consequences still surface 40 yrs. later.
What I don’t like is how people often minimize betrayal. Like, as someone said below, that the freedom from betrayal is forgiveness, if they meant it how I think they meant. I consider betrayal to be one of the ultimate ways of abandoning someone.
My mother betrayed me, so I went no contact. But, the interesting and very sick thing is that, many people would consider me to have betrayed her, because I didn’t forgive her and simply continue the relationship. Her, particularly as my mother, she’s not at any fault at all. So, the responsibility would’ve rested upon me, as the target and victim, to forgive her. Yeah, I don’t think so. Particularly as the best apology is changed behavior and their was a strong intention, to not change her behavior at all. A person might ask if I eventually forgave her. I could say no, because I never returned, she died, and I didn’t feel bad about my decision.
You recognize her for what she is, what she represents, how she deceives and destroys and her total lack of empathy and compassion.
You can't make a demon walk the path of righteousness pal--- you made the right decision! Shalom!
PTSD
New jacket style!
It’s not just sexual predators. There are lots of people in churches who are squeaky clean and professional. But they will know that you are struggling for months and do absolutely nothing to help you. Then they will wonder why your situation never improves.
They are just as much of a betrayer as a child molestor. But society won’t call them out for it.
Honestly, I believe the public, family, friends and other Ordinary People cause more trauma for traumatized children then the actual abuser. Whenever a child gets abused everybody wants to feel bad for the child. Everybody wants to constantly think about it and bring it up or have pity on the child in reality it was one event of abuse. We all have one event of abuse in our lives and what do we do we forget about it we don't want people to talk about it every day of our lives. We should learn to leave children alone that get abused and not take pity on them. Because For the record you're causing more pain for them then the actual abuser did! I know that's going to be hard for you to accept but it's the truth
Post traumatic stress disorder doesn’t leave a large HOLE. It leaves a PERMANENT DIVISION. “Good and Evil are the same thing?”
No. Darkness and Light are the same thing. You have to develop a “GOOD” relationship with DARKNESS AND LIGHT. The way you overcome EVIL is BY SHINING A SPOTLIGHT ONTO THE WORDS OF AN EVIL PERSON.
Martin Sheen had a heart attack during the filming of Apocalypse Now, almost died
Anyone know the original video?
What if one's abuser was a sibling, who was 3 years older than the victim? Does this make it more traumatic?