mate he is not the type of person to have an ego. Standard british cycling rules, usually at the start of the race they will say no language as it can damage the publics view of us especially in a town centre crit. He did it by the book.
@@cornishalps9870 well, he wasnt wearing hi vis or indeed the colours of his colleagues. He stood in the middle of the road in a dangerous position. Reporting the swearing may have been 'by the book' - but were his other actions?
@@cornishalps9870 It's also standard rule to not be in the middle of the road. If the cyclist would hit the dude both of them can break bones and stuff. Language is justified IMHO. GTFO the race track.
That guy should know better, and it proves the elitism of British Cycling when they complain that you swore at an official, who was not dressed as an official, and they thought they could discipline you even though you had video evidence. Glad you made this available for the public to see.
The official is wearing a UCI uniform, the dark blue top and bright beige trousers are very different to the BC uniform but well known. Regardless it's inexplicable what the man was doing in the road.
@@ColinOlden1 but if an official is stepping out he should have some high vi's on his upper body, if British cycling think those colours are suitable they are very nieve indeed. I think a Norwegian cyclist unfortunatly died recently in a race, cycling has a lot of dangers and every governing body upto and including the uni should do evertpything fees able to limit any risks to cyclists.
@@thorgrimb2416 Yes I agree totally, I work in mountain bike racing at national and international level as a race director ( I never work at road races) . At national level it has been common for the officials to not wear any marking other than their uniform but at World cup level all the officials wear bibs which clearly mark who people are. It is very strange indeed that this commissaire is out in the course but then compared to mountain biking road racing is just strange altogether.
@@ColinOlden1 What springs to mind is that outfit could easily be what any well-dressed spectator might wear. May be natty for other situations but not when trying to officiate roadside.
Shouting at someone was the correct response. We use expletives to drive the message so although in hindsight you wished you hadn't it is quite natural and normal.
I believe your instruction to the person on the course was perfectly justified as well as your quick identification given how little time there was to react.
He had absolutely ZERO reason to be in the middle of the road! Official or not. Cursing at someone who can potentially cause serious injury, is not something you should have to apologize for. Good thing you had your camera on.
In the heat of the moment and the ‘official’ being in a position that could have caused a nasty accident I’m not surprised you swore at him. He’s the idiot in this situation and needs to apologize to you.
I was in your group and remember someone being in the road like that and thinking what on earth are they doing? No way you should have had a phone call! You did nothing wrong.
@@jonnyk1195 Well, if you think about it though, it may be true. Imagine riders being in front of you, and they hear you shouting, they could have thought that you shouted at a different rider...
That is very unfair- why he thought he should step out into the road to do that is beyond me. Having raced Ilkley myself, you still go very fast up that hill and there’s actually a decent risk of crashing on it due to riders fatiguing while others are attacking- let alone when someone is standing on the circuit itself! If the commissaries want to communicate with a rider, they ought to use a whiteboard.
F That!!! It doesn't matter how you express yourself, you got your point across. He was just mad because you put him in his place, and I promise he will never do that again since you made him feel a bit silly. LOL, Great Video My Brother!!
I agree with you completely. He should not have been there and risked causing an accident and you were justified in shouting at him to get out the way. You should put a counter complaint in for him.
Colourful language absolutely justified for his actions, counter complaint justified against his arrogance. The comments section alone speaks volumes as to the backing you have in agreement as to how dangerous his actions were, regardless of his feelings of entitlement.
@@jonnyk1195make the counter complaint for if you don't then this egotistical idiot will feel he's quite justified in his stupid behaviour. We all know what these guys are like so he needs bringing down a peg or two and realise safety before ego.
@@annoyingbstard9407He is not a pedestrian have you not listened to the video 🤔he's a race official who thinks everything is about himself and a few jumped up officials
Agree with everyone who supported you! 886 W and over 175bpm - no one should step onto the course!! Fuck em (as you originally and quite rightly said)..
You are 100% right (don't worry about the swearing, it's impossible to be polite, when faced with a complete W8nk3R standing directly in front of you), the officials in cycling these days are as clueless as our politicians. I've always thought the beige uci trousers very suspect indeed!
Having officiated races myself, I would have seen this as a learning moment for the commissar. First lesson is obviously that it should be 100% clear that he is a race official. Second is that instead of making the race safer stepping out like that made the race less safe. As for the swearing, that's a bit difficult to judge, I have zero problems with the swearing in and by itself, and I always keep in mind that an athlete pumped up on adrenaline is a different beast than their regular being. My considerations would be if they were undermining the respect for the race rules and/or officials. Keeping in mind that in a situation with 2 people involved, there is usually 3 truths to it. Two subjective and one objective. The commissar may have seen things very differently. This may have been a case where he didn't realize he was causing the problem, and it seems reasonable for this to go away.
People will swear in life-threaning situations, which is what this idiot official created. He could easily have caused a collision with his behaviour. When you have 1-2 seconds to instruct someone to get out of the way, aggressive tones and profanity can help accelerate that.
If you look to the right, behind the official, there is a dog on a leash, and swearing in front of the dog can harm its feelings. The dog might need counseling after this ordeal. You should have said "Hello sir thank you for standing in the road with your whistle in a very dangerous manner, can you please just step back up onto the curb and off the course! And please sir when you step back do not step on the Dog right behind you." That is the way you go about these things, not swearing!
I know wearing a high-viz tabard would have spoilt his 'gentleman at Henley Regatta' vibes, but he was clearly in the wrong. Also, considering the mental and physical stress you were under, it's absolutely no wonder you swore (I've heard much worse coming out the mouths of children on public transport too). Aside from the drama, it's a fantastic video and really captures the chaos of a race!
Commissaires are trained officials who volunteer their time to ensure cycling competition is safe and fair. Commissaires are present in all levels of racing and operate in all racing disciplines . This one needs to go back to school then !
“High up official”, aka above the law when he thinks he can get away with it, with the backing of those with the same opinion. Regardless of how dangerous their arrogant actions. Been there in different scenarios. What a difference clear footage makes 👍
It's nice that you apologized for your profanity. We must be professional. He obviously shouldn't have been in the road. He could have caused a crash and or injuries to the riders. He should be disciplined. No, you shouldn't be banned. The officials ALL should have some type of clothing that identifies them as officials. They should also consider using some type of flags to communicate with the riders without getting on the road way. Safety first for all involved.
I think you should have pushed for the hearing in any case. Rank or no, he did not withdraw from out of your path until you told him to. He had no right to be in the road and perhaps should be under investigation himself for endangering the riders by his action. As a senior official he has failed in his duty of care endangering the riders well being. Further I think the investigation should include whether he was attempting to influence the race unfairly because doesn't the positioning impact on season rankings?
What's a few choice words in the heat of the moment when facing danger? You could have broke bones there in a fall or swerved into the crowd. He put you in a dangerous position through his own actions. That he is an official is crazy. That he is high up an abused his power to discipline you is nuts. It is him who clearly needs to be disciplined. Thanks for shaming them with this video. Will they take action - as a result of the publicity - or are they banding round his guy bc is high up and they are his friends?
I think you're 100% in the right mate, he could've caused a pretty serious accident by doing that, unacceptable of an official. I hate that we likely have to buy front and rear cameras for safety, we should be able to choose low-to-no tech. Much love from New Zealand.
I have never been even a thousandth of the cyclists you guys are, but, I am a fan of cycling, I love watching the Grand Tours and my wife and neighbours know when their is a mountain stage from the profanities that are directed at the numpties who choke the roads. You stand at the side of the road and cheer on your favourite, hopefully at the front, and don't hinder them. The official should a) have had a hi-vis on and b) had a flag, like the Marshall in motor racing, I would suggest blue, to signal "You are about to be lapped, move to the slower part of the route".
Very dangerous, he should not have been in the road. The video is great though! Really captures the intensity of bike racing! Shows how there is little to no room for error in any way. Regardless of how you placed with the other riders, I think you rode great!
Besides the swearing, which to be honest is understandable considering the effort and ambiguous intention of the 'spectator ', you hadn't done anything wrong. He was not in any recognisable kit to id as an official. He stepped into path of the athletes. His complaint is unreasonable he should be disciplined and made to apologise for his error. In my youth racing crits I had never experienced this but other pompous behavior abound. What are the current official rules for lap norification. I mean, the motorbike passing is a good enough clue isn't it. I hope you at least get a chance to have your say. Don't accept any strikes against you. Excellent racing and course btw.
I was sat on the pavement at the top of the bank taking photographs and couldn't believe when he walked in front of us then proceeded to stand there so close to the cyclists and there was a couple of close calls and in the end we shouted at him to move never seen anything like it 😮
As someone who has never raced in a Crit, I'm even less inclined yo give it a try now that I've seen what kind of attitude some people in the BC office think is appropriate! That guy should not have been in the road during the race, I'm not sure I'd be able to accept their warning politely
That official definitely drives a "compensation" convertible. Pulling rank at a local race because you got cursed for being an idiot + small PP-energy.
You swiftly used *effective concise verbal communication* to prevent a nasty accident, well done. Could you have chosen more flowery words to protect their feelings? Maybe. Would it have been as effective? Probably not. At the end of the day you got pushed right by a cyclist and there was a very real possibility of collecting a person standing in the middle of the road, which could have hospitalised one or both of you!
That was odd. As you said, you'd expect an official to be easily identifiable as such. Even then, you wouldn't expect to see them doing something like that. Just out of interest, what camera are you using - very clear footage.
If it was necessary for a race official to step into the road in front of an approaching pack of riders (and thats a mighty big "if" in my opinion), then he should definitely have been wearing an official hi viz jacket or tabard. Otherwise, he just looks like a crazy member of the public. And therefore, in the circumstances, I completely understand why you reacted as you did.
No apologies needed on your part: it’s a race, adrenaline is running high, competition is intense and feelings are running high and so it’s no place for anyone - especially not a commissaire - to be breaking with safety procedures in such a flagrant way. He’s representing a serious and immediate risk to everyone around you on the road and it was absolutely right to tell him in no uncertain terms to remember the danger he presented and to get back behind barriers or out of the way. Nobody but him will have had their feelings hurt: anyone there with kids will understand the conditions you’re racing under.
That official needs to think about his actions here, he could have easily caused a major injury. What was he thinking! It’s a race not a Sunday morning club ride.
Aren't battery-powered loud hailers available in the UK? Using one of those, he should have stood on the curb and communicated with the riders safely from there. Perhaps he has never raced, at least not on a criterium course like this?
Ive ridden this a few times, its hard graft! Nah, mate, you're not in the wrong, he's a prick. Cav has a lovely vocabulary when he's in the peloton. He should be sanctioned
Who cares if he's an official? Nobody should be intentionally stepping into the path of cyclists, especially during a race. British cycling should be ashamed for having this individual affiliated with them. Don't let it put you off, I admire you're strength in getting involved in racing.
He's very lucky that he's come away un injured, he clearly thinks he's above the law. Great video editing Mr K what camera is it? Makes you realise everyone should have one for their own safety. And i'm sure if you hadn't had it recording you'd be facing the wrath of the law. Alot on here simply suggesting he should be wearing a high Vis but come on, high Vis or not get out of the middle of the road!!!
BC Commissaire and race organiser here. Matey boy should not be in the road. Absolute no no. He needs to sort it out with you and put a few quid into the charity jar.
I don't race because I don't want to have to deal with the egos of other racers, the egos of officials, or the egos of interfering fans. That and because I'm fat and slow.
I have a friend that got banned for 6 months, For having a shouting match Post-race in the parking lot With another racer. The reason they were both shouting is because they never got closer than 10 m of each other.And the only reason my friend got banned is because the other racer was friends with an official. There are no real checks and balances with these officials.
A small man flexing, endangering the safety of riders and rather than admitting he was in the wrong he has tried to pin the blame on a competitor who.m in the heat of competition did exactly what others may have done.
In the US it is normal for the official to step out into the road a bit to get the attention of the riders when sharing a message. That said, he should have been looking at the riders coming towards him more and should have been moving back off the road earlier
Me again. I have subscribed and will be watching closely in future to see if that idiot tries to single you out at future events. Whatever you, my friend, don't give up on the sport we love. When we are all watching, if that idiot isn't squeaky clean, we can get rid of him. It's a simple question of a weight of numbers. Keep filming.
It’s ridiculous that reaction to someone’s actions is what gets the focus these days. Almost makes you crash - no consequences, you tell him he’s a prick for almost making you crash - discipline.
Holy cow, man, expend some serious watts at the front end or your entire race is going to be looking at all the other riders' backsides, as they steadily recede up the road.
Let’s hope the organisers watch it and learn. I rode in RideLondon this year and my only real criticism was the poor marshalling. Many took no notice of the riders, they didn’t get upstream of the numerous crashes to warn riders and several just waved their yellow flags continually to show how much fun they were having. The BC rules and regulations include hundreds of pages of onerous regulations regarding the riders but say nothing about how the officials should behave or how they should be identified on the circuit.
I've ridden a few crits in my time, I suggest you yourself make a complaint to British Cycling - go over his head. Also spread the video on social media, you'll have full support I'm sure. I'm aware this is a wide angle lens, that the guy is much closer than he appears in the video. I've never seen a commissaire do something as dumb as that. I'm not surprised you swore at him, most riders would!
Don’t feel bad for swearing man, he was the one in the middle of the road. I’m sure it surprised you a bit and caused a bit of a swear word to come out. I’d have done the same I’m sure!
The lesson here is to always wear a camera, this man deserved a few harsh words. He knew he was in the wrong and was likely embarrassed or had his fragile feelings hurt when the rider decided to be down to earth with him, hence the complaint..rider didn’t scream it at the top of his lungs, nor were there very many people within earshot. Complaint should be tossed entirely. The officials actions were unsafe, no regard for his own nor rider safety. Stay out of the road. Furthermore as mentioned, he looks nothing like any of the other officials. I would have assumed him to be a spectator or coach and likely would have done the same thing. Only person who should be disciplined is the man who should most definitely know better than to step out into the middle of the fking road during a race..unmarked.
It was understandable that you swore. He was actually a risk for life and limb. Hope he’s under investigation and hope you get an apology from the fool.
i mean yeah shouldnt of sweared its a family event so thats a no brainer. but your 100% in the right here and its a shame your language overshadowed that with the higher up. because him being in the road and at least not moving out your way as you approached is incredibly dangerous. if yoid hit him yoy would of been injured.
He's the one who should be disciplined.
agreed!
Think you bruised his ego, shame he couldn’t admit fault, small man.
Hard not to swear when you’re at threshold and someone stands in your way!
Threshold pah, zone 2 for me.
mate he is not the type of person to have an ego. Standard british cycling rules, usually at the start of the race they will say no language as it can damage the publics view of us especially in a town centre crit. He did it by the book.
@@cornishalps9870 well, he wasnt wearing hi vis or indeed the colours of his colleagues. He stood in the middle of the road in a dangerous position. Reporting the swearing may have been 'by the book' - but were his other actions?
@@cornishalps9870 It's also standard rule to not be in the middle of the road. If the cyclist would hit the dude both of them can break bones and stuff. Language is justified IMHO. GTFO the race track.
That guy should know better, and it proves the elitism of British Cycling when they complain that you swore at an official, who was not dressed as an official, and they thought they could discipline you even though you had video evidence. Glad you made this available for the public to see.
The official is wearing a UCI uniform, the dark blue top and bright beige trousers are very different to the BC uniform but well known. Regardless it's inexplicable what the man was doing in the road.
@@ColinOlden1 but if an official is stepping out he should have some high vi's on his upper body, if British cycling think those colours are suitable they are very nieve indeed.
I think a Norwegian cyclist unfortunatly died recently in a race, cycling has a lot of dangers and every governing body upto and including the uni should do evertpything fees able to limit any risks to cyclists.
@@thorgrimb2416 Yes I agree totally, I work in mountain bike racing at national and international level as a race director ( I never work at road races) . At national level it has been common for the officials to not wear any marking other than their uniform but at World cup level all the officials wear bibs which clearly mark who people are. It is very strange indeed that this commissaire is out in the course but then compared to mountain biking road racing is just strange altogether.
i would have told them, next time, i kick his sorry arse 😆
@@ColinOlden1 What springs to mind is that outfit could easily be what any well-dressed spectator might wear. May be natty for other situations but not when trying to officiate roadside.
England: Swearing is a bigger deal than stepping in front of a big group of riders with no hi-vis
Today not only in Enland.
Shouting at someone was the correct response. We use expletives to drive the message so although in hindsight you wished you hadn't it is quite natural and normal.
The fact that he is 'high up' in British Cycling should be enough to tell all.
Dangerous action by the race official at *08:40* in the video. He needs to be disciplined.
Totally agree @andykennedy5951, why aren’t officials wearing hi-vis, surely should be mandate.
Offical should just have said: "sorry mate, I was a dumbfuck." Now that he escalated he should indeed be disciplined.
If you use : instead of a period the time becomes clickable. 8:40
@@madmax2069 great advice, sorted.
He needs to be punished 😈
I believe your instruction to the person on the course was perfectly justified as well as your quick identification given how little time there was to react.
He had absolutely ZERO reason to be in the middle of the road! Official or not. Cursing at someone who can potentially cause serious injury, is not something you should have to apologize for. Good thing you had your camera on.
100% agreement
In the heat of the moment and the ‘official’ being in a position that could have caused a nasty accident I’m not surprised you swore at him. He’s the idiot in this situation and needs to apologize to you.
You had every right to shout as you did
I was in your group and remember someone being in the road like that and thinking what on earth are they doing? No way you should have had a phone call! You did nothing wrong.
I was told by BC that some riders in our group had lodge complaints about me shouting/swearing. I didn’t think that would be true.
@@jonnyk1195 if they did then that’s sad!! I didn’t hear any swearing anyway!
@@jonnyk1195 Well, if you think about it though, it may be true. Imagine riders being in front of you, and they hear you shouting, they could have thought that you shouted at a different rider...
That is very unfair- why he thought he should step out into the road to do that is beyond me. Having raced Ilkley myself, you still go very fast up that hill and there’s actually a decent risk of crashing on it due to riders fatiguing while others are attacking- let alone when someone is standing on the circuit itself! If the commissaries want to communicate with a rider, they ought to use a whiteboard.
That "official" is indeed a prick and a massive one at that to have the cheek to complain.
prickerty prick prick
F That!!! It doesn't matter how you express yourself, you got your point across. He was just mad because you put him in his place, and I promise he will never do that again since you made him feel a bit silly. LOL, Great Video My Brother!!
I agree with you completely.
He should not have been there and risked causing an accident and you were justified in shouting at him to get out the way. You should put a counter complaint in for him.
I thought about it… decided making the video was a better way of complaining
Colourful language absolutely justified for his actions, counter complaint justified against his arrogance.
The comments section alone speaks volumes as to the backing you have in agreement as to how dangerous his actions were, regardless of his feelings of entitlement.
@@jonnyk1195make the counter complaint for if you don't then this egotistical idiot will feel he's quite justified in his stupid behaviour. We all know what these guys are like so he needs bringing down a peg or two and realise safety before ego.
official should be disciplined. He's not above the rules, I'm sure there's rules and behaviors he need to follow.
He’s a pedestrian. How are you planning on disciplining him? Banning him from walking?
The official was a full weight idiot.
@@annoyingbstard9407He is not a pedestrian have you not listened to the video 🤔he's a race official who thinks everything is about himself and a few jumped up officials
@@anthonylynn1969 Pedestrian…A person who is walking. Hope that helps.
What was he thinking!!!. Put in a counter claim he could have been any nutter!!!
so glad you had a camera. was great to watch it all too.
Agree with everyone who supported you! 886 W and over 175bpm - no one should step onto the course!! Fuck em (as you originally and quite rightly said)..
You are 100% right (don't worry about the swearing, it's impossible to be polite, when faced with a complete W8nk3R standing directly in front of you), the officials in cycling these days are as clueless as our politicians.
I've always thought the beige uci trousers very suspect indeed!
Having officiated races myself, I would have seen this as a learning moment for the commissar. First lesson is obviously that it should be 100% clear that he is a race official. Second is that instead of making the race safer stepping out like that made the race less safe. As for the swearing, that's a bit difficult to judge, I have zero problems with the swearing in and by itself, and I always keep in mind that an athlete pumped up on adrenaline is a different beast than their regular being. My considerations would be if they were undermining the respect for the race rules and/or officials. Keeping in mind that in a situation with 2 people involved, there is usually 3 truths to it. Two subjective and one objective. The commissar may have seen things very differently. This may have been a case where he didn't realize he was causing the problem, and it seems reasonable for this to go away.
People will swear in life-threaning situations, which is what this idiot official created. He could easily have caused a collision with his behaviour. When you have 1-2 seconds to instruct someone to get out of the way, aggressive tones and profanity can help accelerate that.
If you look to the right, behind the official, there is a dog on a leash, and swearing in front of the dog can harm its feelings. The dog might need counseling after this ordeal. You should have said "Hello sir thank you for standing in the road with your whistle in a very dangerous manner, can you please just step back up onto the curb and off the course! And please sir when you step back do not step on the Dog right behind you." That is the way you go about these things, not swearing!
I will try and remember that for next time! 🤣
Furthermore, had the pup shat the sidewalk it would have been this rider's responsibility for all cleaning fees. 🙃
It seems there was a mix-up: it turns out the official should have been on a leash instead of the dog
Good Christ why oh why do some folks think its in any way acceptable to have their officials off the lead at a crit ?
I know wearing a high-viz tabard would have spoilt his 'gentleman at Henley Regatta' vibes, but he was clearly in the wrong. Also, considering the mental and physical stress you were under, it's absolutely no wonder you swore (I've heard much worse coming out the mouths of children on public transport too).
Aside from the drama, it's a fantastic video and really captures the chaos of a race!
Agreed, he thought he was too cool for any silly bright orange and yellow attire.
Commissaires are trained officials who volunteer their time to ensure cycling competition is safe and fair. Commissaires are present in all levels of racing and operate in all racing disciplines . This one needs to go back to school then !
“High up official”, aka above the law when he thinks he can get away with it, with the backing of those with the same opinion. Regardless of how dangerous their arrogant actions.
Been there in different scenarios.
What a difference clear footage makes 👍
cool video regardless of the unofficial official. thanks for sharing...now i watch the tour
You are wise, and your lessons learned seem right on. Life is a challenge.
I really thought you were going to have to run into him. Quick thinking on your part.
It's nice that you apologized for your profanity. We must be professional.
He obviously shouldn't have been in the road. He could have caused a crash and or injuries to the riders. He should be disciplined.
No, you shouldn't be banned. The officials ALL should have some type of clothing that identifies them as officials.
They should also consider using some type of flags to communicate with the riders without getting on the road way.
Safety first for all involved.
One shouldn't apologize for being right!
I think you should have pushed for the hearing in any case. Rank or no, he did not withdraw from out of your path until you told him to. He had no right to be in the road and perhaps should be under investigation himself for endangering the riders by his action. As a senior official he has failed in his duty of care endangering the riders well being. Further I think the investigation should include whether he was attempting to influence the race unfairly because doesn't the positioning impact on season rankings?
He created dangerous situation. You were in a heat of race. Even if you may be questioned about swearing, the fault was his.
You acted correctly. There's a place for swearing, and that was one of them.
What's a few choice words in the heat of the moment when facing danger? You could have broke bones there in a fall or swerved into the crowd. He put you in a dangerous position through his own actions. That he is an official is crazy. That he is high up an abused his power to discipline you is nuts. It is him who clearly needs to be disciplined. Thanks for shaming them with this video. Will they take action - as a result of the publicity - or are they banding round his guy bc is high up and they are his friends?
Says it all with british organised cycling ...utter crap !
He deserved more than swearing he’s completely at fault. The sheer temerity of the guy to report you
I think you're 100% in the right mate, he could've caused a pretty serious accident by doing that, unacceptable of an official. I hate that we likely have to buy front and rear cameras for safety, we should be able to choose low-to-no tech. Much love from New Zealand.
You were right on all counts
Despite the drama. Great footage 👍
I have never been even a thousandth of the cyclists you guys are, but, I am a fan of cycling, I love watching the Grand Tours and my wife and neighbours know when their is a mountain stage from the profanities that are directed at the numpties who choke the roads. You stand at the side of the road and cheer on your favourite, hopefully at the front, and don't hinder them.
The official should a) have had a hi-vis on and b) had a flag, like the Marshall in motor racing, I would suggest blue, to signal "You are about to be lapped, move to the slower part of the route".
The fact that he took time out to complain speaks volumes. He could have caused a pile up, but someone swore...
Very dangerous, he should not have been in the road. The video is great though! Really captures the intensity of bike racing! Shows how there is little to no room for error in any way. Regardless of how you placed with the other riders, I think you rode great!
Good to see you weren't put off by the Dacre road race. You pick the hilly ones!
Ha yes, searching out the flat ones now!
Besides the swearing, which to be honest is understandable considering the effort and ambiguous intention of the 'spectator ', you hadn't done anything wrong. He was not in any recognisable kit to id as an official. He stepped into path of the athletes. His complaint is unreasonable he should be disciplined and made to apologise for his error. In my youth racing crits I had never experienced this but other pompous behavior abound. What are the current official rules for lap norification. I mean, the motorbike passing is a good enough clue isn't it.
I hope you at least get a chance to have your say. Don't accept any strikes against you.
Excellent racing and course btw.
I was sat on the pavement at the top of the bank taking photographs and couldn't believe when he walked in front of us then proceeded to stand there so close to the cyclists and there was a couple of close calls and in the end we shouted at him to move never seen anything like it 😮
Wow! Good to hear it from your side
Wow, watching you blow up in the first minute? Maxed out HR and pushing lots of watts. I'd be dropped like a stone!
Can’t wait to do this next year as an 80 kg plus rider😂
it’s tough. I was at 84kg so was never going to be a great one for me.
As someone who has never raced in a Crit, I'm even less inclined yo give it a try now that I've seen what kind of attitude some people in the BC office think is appropriate! That guy should not have been in the road during the race, I'm not sure I'd be able to accept their warning politely
That official definitely drives a "compensation" convertible. Pulling rank at a local race because you got cursed for being an idiot + small PP-energy.
I thought what you said was extremly nice, considering the circumstances.
nice "game over" animation!
You swiftly used *effective concise verbal communication* to prevent a nasty accident, well done.
Could you have chosen more flowery words to protect their feelings? Maybe. Would it have been as effective? Probably not.
At the end of the day you got pushed right by a cyclist and there was a very real possibility of collecting a person standing in the middle of the road, which could have hospitalised one or both of you!
That guy should be fined for that
That was odd. As you said, you'd expect an official to be easily identifiable as such. Even then, you wouldn't expect to see them doing something like that.
Just out of interest, what camera are you using - very clear footage.
It’s the new @insta360 X4. Only had it for a couple of weeks but loving it. Just wish it was lighter but quality is amazing.
If it was necessary for a race official to step into the road in front of an approaching pack of riders (and thats a mighty big "if" in my opinion), then he should definitely have been wearing an official hi viz jacket or tabard. Otherwise, he just looks like a crazy member of the public.
And therefore, in the circumstances, I completely understand why you reacted as you did.
In the written rules governing this race, is use of the common vernacular proscribed or outlawed?
No apologies needed on your part: it’s a race, adrenaline is running high, competition is intense and feelings are running high and so it’s no place for anyone - especially not a commissaire - to be breaking with safety procedures in such a flagrant way. He’s representing a serious and immediate risk to everyone around you on the road and it was absolutely right to tell him in no uncertain terms to remember the danger he presented and to get back behind barriers or out of the way. Nobody but him will have had their feelings hurt: anyone there with kids will understand the conditions you’re racing under.
The fact that he’s a commissaire makes it even worse, he should know better! What are you apologising for?
Effing and blinding in front of kids maybe?
Fair play mate. There will always be wet lettuces
No evidence he's an "official" at all. Some lad in a cardigan standing on the road on a live event? HE should be disciplined, fined.
That official needs to think about his actions here, he could have easily caused a major injury. What was he thinking! It’s a race not a Sunday morning club ride.
Aren't battery-powered loud hailers available in the UK? Using one of those, he should have stood on the curb and communicated with the riders safely from there. Perhaps he has never raced, at least not on a criterium course like this?
Arrogant …….. and he is supposed to be an official. Sack him. Glad you had evidence!
Ive ridden this a few times, its hard graft! Nah, mate, you're not in the wrong, he's a prick. Cav has a lovely vocabulary when he's in the peloton. He should be sanctioned
The brightest thing about this Commissaire was his black jacket.
Who cares if he's an official? Nobody should be intentionally stepping into the path of cyclists, especially during a race. British cycling should be ashamed for having this individual affiliated with them. Don't let it put you off, I admire you're strength in getting involved in racing.
The only reason that he would be standing in the road like that in my opinion would be to influence the outcome of the race,perhaps he had a wager.
Does not matter who he is he's a danger to the riders no hi vis on could be anyone bellend
How do you get that real time data onto the video timeline?
I use an app called 'Telemetry Overlay'
He's very lucky that he's come away un injured, he clearly thinks he's above the law. Great video editing Mr K what camera is it? Makes you realise everyone should have one for their own safety. And i'm sure if you hadn't had it recording you'd be facing the wrath of the law. Alot on here simply suggesting he should be wearing a high Vis but come on, high Vis or not get out of the middle of the road!!!
Thankyou, it’s filed on the @insta360 x4 great camera!
What he did was incredibly dangerous. I can fully understand your outburst.
BC Commissaire and race organiser here.
Matey boy should not be in the road. Absolute no no.
He needs to sort it out with you and put a few quid into the charity jar.
That official is always at ilkley seen him the past 2 years. He was probably one who allowed camera use as well.
Start watching at 8:40 … No need to apologize for swearing imho.
I don't race because I don't want to have to deal with the egos of other racers, the egos of officials, or the egos of interfering fans. That and because I'm fat and slow.
Shouldn't have been in the road. Shortened to polite version, lol. Drew.
Agreed, he meant well but over thought it. He's never raced himself or else he'd never have stepped into approaching riders.
I have a friend that got banned for 6 months, For having a shouting match Post-race in the parking lot With another racer. The reason they were both shouting is because they never got closer than 10 m of each other.And the only reason my friend got banned is because the other racer was friends with an official. There are no real checks and balances with these officials.
The ending feels depressing, wish I could stay with you sitting on the grass together
Should he have been wearing clearer ID? Surely there is some reg about that
A small man flexing, endangering the safety of riders and rather than admitting he was in the wrong he has tried to pin the blame on a competitor who.m in the heat of competition did exactly what others may have done.
In the US it is normal for the official to step out into the road a bit to get the attention of the riders when sharing a message. That said, he should have been looking at the riders coming towards him more and should have been moving back off the road earlier
Also .. what is the outcome?
Me again. I have subscribed and will be watching closely in future to see if that idiot tries to single you out at future events. Whatever you, my friend, don't give up on the sport we love. When we are all watching, if that idiot isn't squeaky clean, we can get rid of him. It's a simple question of a weight of numbers. Keep filming.
This official should work for Formula 1. He will be a hit!
It’s ridiculous that reaction to someone’s actions is what gets the focus these days. Almost makes you crash - no consequences, you tell him he’s a prick for almost making you crash - discipline.
His the problem mate, not you
Holy cow, man, expend some serious watts at the front end or your entire race is going to be looking at all the other riders' backsides, as they steadily recede up the road.
Let’s hope the organisers watch it and learn. I rode in RideLondon this year and my only real criticism was the poor marshalling. Many took no notice of the riders, they didn’t get upstream of the numerous crashes to warn riders and several just waved their yellow flags continually to show how much fun they were having. The BC rules and regulations include hundreds of pages of onerous regulations regarding the riders but say nothing about how the officials should behave or how they should be identified on the circuit.
You were 100% in the right and he should apologize to you. He could have caused a serious accident.
You did reyt
HE is the one who needs to be disciplined!! If he is an official he should know better than to stand in the middle of the road.
You dont see the officials walk on the track in a formula 1 race!
I've ridden a few crits in my time, I suggest you yourself make a complaint to British Cycling - go over his head. Also spread the video on social media, you'll have full support I'm sure.
I'm aware this is a wide angle lens, that the guy is much closer than he appears in the video. I've never seen a commissaire do something as dumb as that. I'm not surprised you swore at him, most riders would!
He needs a megaphone.
Don’t feel bad for swearing man, he was the one in the middle of the road. I’m sure it surprised you a bit and caused a bit of a swear word to come out. I’d have done the same I’m sure!
The lesson here is to always wear a camera, this man deserved a few harsh words. He knew he was in the wrong and was likely embarrassed or had his fragile feelings hurt when the rider decided to be down to earth with him, hence the complaint..rider didn’t scream it at the top of his lungs, nor were there very many people within earshot. Complaint should be tossed entirely. The officials actions were unsafe, no regard for his own nor rider safety. Stay out of the road. Furthermore as mentioned, he looks nothing like any of the other officials. I would have assumed him to be a spectator or coach and likely would have done the same thing.
Only person who should be disciplined is the man who should most definitely know better than to step out into the middle of the fking road during a race..unmarked.
Official was a right pillock. What did he think he was doing?
It was understandable that you swore. He was actually a risk for life and limb. Hope he’s under investigation and hope you get an apology from the fool.
i mean yeah shouldnt of sweared its a family event so thats a no brainer. but your 100% in the right here and its a shame your language overshadowed that with the higher up.
because him being in the road and at least not moving out your way as you approached is incredibly dangerous. if yoid hit him yoy would of been injured.