Happy feast of St. Francis! I hope you celebrate with your fraternity... St. Francis is also Italy's patron saint, so we are spiritually linked! Paryers for you and your mission!
AMEN. Thank you for another inspirational video. While it is scary at times when we look at the world at large, there is so much beauty amongst it that gets lost. I am more than happy to evangelise the Franciscan cause, and St Francis. May the peace of God and St Francis keep us all grounded and connected to the true meaning of his teaching.
I enjoyed that. I need to catch up on the channel. But when I saw the desert scenery, I had to watch. I'm from AZ and have lived here in the desert most of my life. I love this time of the year. My family travels to Mexico annually to celebrate the feast of St Francis. I remember as a child waking up extra early to get ready. I loved it. It was a religious journey we took. As part of this journey, we learned to be patient, to understand, to be courteous, to be humble, to look forward never look back and so many others things. This was passed down from generation to generation. However, last year my nephew fell ill to cancer. We couldn't leave him, so we skipped Mexico. In November, he lost the battle. This year it's my brother. He's been in and out of the hospital. We agreed he shouldn't travel. So again we skipped Mexico. I look forward to next year. Happy Feast of Saint Francis 🙏🏽 Tfs ✌🏽
Blessed Feast of St. Francis! I spent some time in a St. Francis Garden today. It's a lovely little spot in our little downtown, with Stations of the Cross and Christian meditations. And it's on the property of the oldest Episcopal church here. At least we share those devotions. May we be one!
Right after I retired a few years ago, I spent two days in a personal retreat at this Franciscan Center. I did this to work on a vision of my life after retirement. A beautiful place and a perfect setting for what I needed to do.
Happy Feast Day. Thanks for the reflections on Why be Franciscan. You gave us a great retreat, now we need to pray for how God wants us to renew the church or as you told us. Just start and let God do the adjusting as we go along..
A+ chapel tour. I love the way you film the inside of buildings to show us. You just keep getting at them. I love what Francisans are supposed to stand for. It can be hard to feel connected when you feel different but as the Scriptures say "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus" Gal 3:28 (Also I apologise for using the King James version here. It's the only Bible I have.)
"In which God is present in you, in me, in creation, in the good and the bad. God is there with us." Thank you for those words and this video Father! I need to load this video to my phone so I can just bust it out when I am in the need of explaining my faith/beliefs to people and in this video, you have described my feelings and beliefs exactly! I am so thankful and blessed to have 'stumbled' upon your videos and channel recently! Thank you THANK YOU!
GREAT ST Fraciscan retreat & teachers. Thank you for your mission for us in the world. God has been with GOD FOR OUR WORLD. HOPE YOUNG PEOPLE JOIN YOUR ST FRANCISCAN. PRAISE GOD FOREVER.
I liked that video, especially the opening message about an incarnation view of the world. I can imagine Goldilocks saying this one is too spiritual, and this one is too material, but this one (which happens to be the Church established by Christ almost 2000 years ago) is just right!
I have only recently learned about this 'Breaking in the Habit' UA-cam channel. I will say that this particular video is, in my humble opinion, the best one that I've seen so far. The call for us (me) to become a peacemaker is a challenge to say the least.
Indeed, it can be easy to lose sight of the forest through the trees. Praise be to Our Merciful God for providing to us so many wonderful maps through the wilderness to point us back to the road that leads to Home. Amen.
Franciscan Friers made a difference,development and renewal too in our parish at Thalangama south Sri Lanka,only church dedicated to St John Dal Baston, an Italian Franciscan Frier. Greetings from Colombo Sri Lanka with christian love to all the people on earth! Glory to God in the highest and peace to all the people on earth!😇🌹🌹🌹
gorgerous scenary your so blessed to experience this its amazing your message I been thinking of this exactly on how to connect all these friends I have met lately with different faiths if the incarnation message is preached it would connect everyone with a relatable understanding and the truth for how can we say the creations of the world are astounding but then not recognise the Creator of it? I been looking at these things lately as I enjoy the wind blow the fall leaves or the clouds hovering over the hills and saying to the hills isn't our creator amazing? It is the Spirit so thank you that you say it right here thank you Brother for just promoting how to go about uniting differences and bringing others back to the true way of joy and peace thru Christ Jesus and the St Francis way woohoo lol
You comments are very good, accurate, right on genuine Franciscan take on who St Francis is and his devotion to the Eucharist, Christ in the incarnation and god’s role in creation and francis’ loyalty to the Church. As an old, old fart catholic I have been following your comments for hints of variations, extensions, gratuitous takes on Franciscan spirituality. Today’s mention of “ incarnational world. View” etc really shows rather sophisticated understanding. I do not want you to get too prideful. I can see you have good spiritual direction and instructors. Us old guys have been watching very carefully.
How possible or not possible is it for a person in diocesan formation ....or already formed priest to shift to missionary. You can as well explain in the context of franciscan.
Recently a pioneer of our church Franciscan father Gerad Garth passed away in Italy. He was a very holy man of God who worked tirelessly to develop our church ,during a long period.May his soul rest in peace! St. John Dal Boston's church Is supposed to be the only church dedicated to him, and now to Fr. Garth too in my opinion! The peace of Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God to all! 🌹🌹🌹
The Latin, Syro-Malabar, Maronite and Mozarabic need to restore their Liturgies at a minimum. Today's worship in most parts of the Catholic Church is Protestant at best and bad entertainment at its worst.
Thomas Carney yep that was the intention of the freemasons...all documented in the Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita...Satan entered the Church just prior to Vatican 2
@@Joseph-p4o1k I hate to say this, because it seems Protestant: the Laity need to turn off the money. The bishops have been living high off the hog for far too long.
Sorry about my earlier comment. If your apostolate wins souls for Christ and increases devotions to the Blessed Mother and other saints, than what could be bad? I prefer a more traditional form of the mass and architecture. My earlier comments were snarky and immature.
@@BreakingInTheHabit yes brother I saw them they doing great works God bless them and you , I wanted to ask do you have personal email I wanted to ask about many things about our Catholic church faith. Thanks
If you have specific questions, why not go to a local parish and ask a friar in person (face to face)? IMHO, it's much better to have dialogue in person than over the internet. I too have had questions and went directly to the source and have spoken to fathers who are Jesuits,Dominicans,Orthodox, and a Capuchin friar at the local Franciscan National Shrine where I live. Give it a try. Peace
A Brotherhood of Franciscans in LA was running low on funds, so they decided to remedy this problem by selling flowers. They went down to Hollywood and set up in front of the filming of The Greatest Showman. Because they were in the way of the crew, security tried to get them to leave, but the Brothers explained their situation to plead for them to stay. Hearing the commotion in front of the set, the star of the movie himself came out, talked with the men, and decided to donate some money if they agreed to go, which they did. This shows that only Hugh can prevent florist Friars.
To be fair, there is not much of a “life of the church” for people to connect to. I think this is very easy for religious to miss because you live in some kind of formalized, institutional Catholicism 24/7. I on the other hand have to create every facet of our family’s catholic life from the ground up. I can bring my kids to Mass but the truth is that we’re not really welcome in the Church, it’s not like our home, it’s more like an impersonal trip to a McDonalds drive through window. If you want to lay down your life and live humbly, why not take care of children? That’s a community of humility. Perhaps knowing your place actually is the humble path you’re missing? I’m thinking out loud here.
This mornings homily by Friar Fr Dominic said there have been many new Friar orders over the years, so why the need for yet more or is the title of the video meant for your own new beginning.
Inspirational but sadly many of us experience a church without energy and perceived to be led by old men who have presided over a shameful period in our church's history. We pray that more men and women with Brother Casey's faith will bring about a faithful renewal and that it is not too late.
Ever since middle school, I felt the call to be either a Franciscan Friar or a Benedictine Monk. I did not have the worldly support I needed, and now I fear it is too late. I have not yet converted to Catholicism, and I have an astronomical balance of student loan debt. I ask you all to pray for me. I am deeply saddened that I cannot become a brother. I watch so many discernment and recruitment videos just to feel like I am a part of such a beautiful and glorious community.
I agree that Franciscans need a renewal. PLEASE, do as Saint Francis did, and help the meekest of the meek - the animals. In today's world, the magnitude of animal abuse is beyond understanding. Animal agriculture contributes more than 50% to atmospheric pollution, and yet, the Church, the Franciscans, have not addressed this abuse in any meaningful way. St. Francis is the patron saint for animals and the environment. His love and compassion were ALL-INCLUSIVE. He said:" All things of creation are children of the Father and thus brothers of man... God wants us to help animals, if they need help. Every creature in distress has the same right to be protected." He is known for having rescued sheep from slaughter.
Susan Christiansz I'd call the 'meekest of the meek' the unborn, and especially unborn babies with conditions such as Downs Syndrome, who are aborted at a horrific rate in progressive, enlightened places like Western Europe and the USA. But hey, I get what you're saying anyway.
Yes, Franciscan need renewal indeed. I go to Franciscan chaple Mass daily and the priests are very disappointing, the way they celebrate Mass is so irrelevant and joking during the Mass. I pray for them.
I'm not sure where you heard this, but I have to disagree. St. Francis started by founding an order of penitent men. It was, but it's very nature, celibate, and priests were among the first to join. The rule itself (both early and later) include regulations for clerics but also overall rules for all members, meaning that St. Francis accepted priests but did not require them all to be priests (or to let that be their complete identity.) There was definitely some influence on the hierarchical Church to include certain formula (poverty, chastity, and obedience), to require a novitiate, and to maintain orthodox Catholic theology, but the Church didn't do anything to require celibacy or ordination.
@@BreakingInTheHabit Right. So now we have an order in which you must be ordained and take formal vows to be in the Franciscan order. Unless you join the lay order.... Or the ecumenical order. Somewhere along the way the church decided, as you have stated, that one must take the traditional vows of the church in order to be ordained in it (the Franciscan order). There are many reputable and reliable sources out there that state this was never Saint Francis's intention. I can post them here or send them to you if you wish.
Stephen Fratello No, this is not correct. One does not need to be ordained to be a Franciscan. Many members are neither priests nor deacons but live as lay brothers, equal in all things but orders in the community. This has not changed since Francis’ time.
@@BreakingInTheHabit I I think you might be misunderstanding me. I understand what you're saying. I discerned with the franciscans and ultimately I join the ecumenical Order of Saint Francis because I felt that was most in line with his original intent and Mission. I do not feel that celibacy or anything else should be pushed or forced on someone or even just required in any of the orders of Saint Francis or even in the church. If someone chooses to be celibate because they feel that is best for them for whatever reason that's their choice however it should not be mandatory. Neither should ordination. The order should just be an order of simplicity and an order that ministers to the poor and the needy of the world. To me that is the only requirement that needs to be fulfilled is a desire to live simply and to help others in need. The rest is just a bunch of frills and distractions and in some cases feeds into people's neuroses.
@@BreakingInTheHabit if you are in the Southwest right now maybe you can swing by the center for action and contemplation founded by your brother father Richard Rohr who has many wonderful and interesting insights on this. Not sure if you ever met him or spoke with him but I'm sure you would enjoy some of his perspectives and it would leave you with a lot of food for thought.
I enjoyed this message. Thank you Brother. Happy Feast of St. Francis of Assisi.
Saint Francis of Assisi pray for us
we need also to know how he prayed God with the Knight Templars at the Porziuncola, near Siena.
I am left elated by this.. it was the message I so needed now...I can only be greatful! Happy Feast Day!
Happy feast of St. Francis! I hope you celebrate with your fraternity...
St. Francis is also Italy's patron saint, so we are spiritually linked! Paryers for you and your mission!
AMEN. Thank you for another inspirational video. While it is scary at times when we look at the world at large, there is so much beauty amongst it that gets lost. I am more than happy to evangelise the Franciscan cause, and St Francis. May the peace of God and St Francis keep us all grounded and connected to the true meaning of his teaching.
Happy feast day! Great summary of the retreat and wonderful filming. We were so very blessed to have you here.
Brother Casey, I have been following you from the very beginning and this is your best work ever!
You are the Joy. The renewal. The hope. My brother in JESUS you transmit all that. May JESUS gide you allways. God bless you.
I enjoyed that.
I need to catch up on the channel. But when I saw the desert scenery, I had to watch. I'm from AZ and have lived here in the desert most of my life.
I love this time of the year. My family travels to Mexico annually to celebrate the feast of St Francis. I remember as a child waking up extra early to get ready. I loved it.
It was a religious journey we took. As part of this journey, we learned to be patient, to understand, to be courteous, to be humble, to look forward never look back and so many others things. This was passed down from generation to generation.
However, last year my nephew fell ill to cancer. We couldn't leave him, so we skipped Mexico. In November, he lost the battle.
This year it's my brother. He's been in and out of the hospital. We agreed he shouldn't travel. So again we skipped Mexico. I look forward to next year.
Happy Feast of Saint Francis 🙏🏽
Tfs ✌🏽
Blessed Feast of St. Francis! I spent some time in a St. Francis Garden today. It's a lovely little spot in our little downtown, with Stations of the Cross and Christian meditations. And it's on the property of the oldest Episcopal church here. At least we share those devotions. May we be one!
well-presented, lovely to watch and your insights are so profound!
Right after I retired a few years ago, I spent two days in a personal retreat at this Franciscan Center. I did this to work on a vision of my life after retirement. A beautiful place and a perfect setting for what I needed to do.
Happy Feast Day. Thanks for the reflections on Why be Franciscan. You gave us a great retreat, now we need to pray for how God wants us to renew the church or as you told us. Just start and let God do the adjusting as we go along..
A+ chapel tour. I love the way you film the inside of buildings to show us. You just keep getting at them.
I love what Francisans are supposed to stand for. It can be hard to feel connected when you feel different but as the Scriptures say "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus" Gal 3:28 (Also I apologise for using the King James version here. It's the only Bible I have.)
"In which God is present in you, in me, in creation, in the good and the bad. God is there with us." Thank you for those words and this video Father! I need to load this video to my phone so I can just bust it out when I am in the need of explaining my faith/beliefs to people and in this video, you have described my feelings and beliefs exactly! I am so thankful and blessed to have 'stumbled' upon your videos and channel recently! Thank you THANK YOU!
GREAT ST Fraciscan retreat & teachers. Thank you for your mission for us in the world. God has been with GOD FOR OUR WORLD. HOPE YOUNG PEOPLE JOIN YOUR ST FRANCISCAN. PRAISE GOD FOREVER.
Hola Buen Fraile, I really enjoy your videos, you teach so much, San Francisco is very proud of you. Thank you for all your videos. Dios te Bendiga.
Awesome video for the Feast Day!!! Very uplifting!!! Thanks, Bro!
Brother Casey we would appreciate you visiting again and again. Blessed Feast Day.
Yes the love of jesus Christ that we have received.god bless you and renew your beautiful young spirit daily
I liked that video, especially the opening message about an incarnation view of the world. I can imagine Goldilocks saying this one is too spiritual, and this one is too material, but this one (which happens to be the Church established by Christ almost 2000 years ago) is just right!
Happy Feast of St. Francis Assisi!
I have only recently learned about this 'Breaking in the Habit' UA-cam channel. I will say that this particular video is, in my humble opinion, the best one that I've seen so far. The call for us (me) to become a peacemaker is a challenge to say the least.
Thanks for sharing the comprehensive spirituality of St Francis
Amen. I so love St. Frances of Assisi.
Thank you Father God bless you
Indeed, it can be easy to lose sight of the forest through the trees. Praise be to Our Merciful God for providing to us so many wonderful maps through the wilderness to point us back to the road that leads to Home. Amen.
Living the the spirit of the gospel! ✝️🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
WOW! You came to the valley and I missed the opportunity to meet a great person of God and just say Hi!
Franciscan Friers made a difference,development and renewal too in our parish at Thalangama south Sri Lanka,only church dedicated to St John Dal Baston, an Italian Franciscan Frier. Greetings from Colombo Sri Lanka with christian love to all the people on earth! Glory to God in the highest and peace to all the people on earth!😇🌹🌹🌹
gorgerous scenary your so blessed to experience this its amazing your message I been thinking of this exactly on how to connect all these friends I have met lately with different faiths if the incarnation message is preached it would connect everyone with a relatable understanding and the truth for how can we say the creations of the world are astounding but then not recognise the Creator of it? I been looking at these things lately as I enjoy the wind blow the fall leaves or the clouds hovering over the hills and saying to the hills isn't our creator amazing? It is the Spirit so thank you that you say it right here thank you Brother for just promoting how to go about uniting differences and bringing others back to the true way of joy and peace thru Christ Jesus and the St Francis way woohoo lol
GREAT you man for GOD'S SAKE. DEAD RIGHT!! THANK YOU FOR GIVING LIFE TO THE WORLD. YOUTH PEOPLE GIVE YOUR LIFE TO CHRIST.
Happy Feast Day!
I enjoyed this message this message Happy feast day
Quiet places are here I find peace to pray and think
Dude! I used to live down the street when I was in high school, about 170 years ago
I need stay a time in a place like that,I need live this experience,greetings from Brazil
Young man the spirit of God in you . Jesus Christ loves you and because of his spirit I love you brother.romans5:5
Happy Saint Francis day brother!!!!! :)
Glad to see somewhere familiar, how d'ya like the desert?
You comments are very good, accurate, right on genuine Franciscan take on who St Francis is and his devotion to the Eucharist, Christ in the incarnation and god’s role in creation and francis’ loyalty to the Church. As an old, old fart catholic I have been following your comments for hints of variations, extensions, gratuitous takes on Franciscan spirituality. Today’s mention of “ incarnational world. View” etc really shows rather sophisticated understanding. I do not want you to get too prideful. I can see you have good spiritual direction and instructors. Us old guys have been watching very carefully.
Happy feast br
How possible or not possible is it for a person in diocesan formation ....or already formed priest to shift to missionary. You can as well explain in the context of franciscan.
Was there about a year ago you are blessed
Recently a pioneer of our church Franciscan father Gerad Garth passed away in Italy. He was a very holy man of God who worked tirelessly to develop our church ,during a long period.May his soul rest in peace! St. John Dal Boston's church Is supposed to be the only church dedicated to him, and now to Fr. Garth too in my opinion! The peace of Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God to all! 🌹🌹🌹
Amen!
Awesome video!
I love St. Francis.
Have been pleading him to tell God to give me the ability to communicate with animals.😊
You are very special it takes a person just like you to commumicate with animals because you love and care so much for them May God bless you.
Amen
What st Francis stood for are what we need in the world right now.He is one of my favorite saints.
Drat, sorry I missed your retreat.
Where in AZ is this house? I was thinking its location would be in the description.
5802 E. Lincoln Dr. Scottsdale, AZ. All are welcome.
Oh yes.. we used to hold many events out there..wonderful chapel..
I want to know about St. Francis of Assisi. Can anyone suggest me a good book to start?
The Latin, Syro-Malabar, Maronite and Mozarabic need to restore their Liturgies at a minimum. Today's worship in most parts of the Catholic Church is Protestant at best and bad entertainment at its worst.
Thomas Carney yep that was the intention of the freemasons...all documented in the Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita...Satan entered the Church just prior to Vatican 2
@@Joseph-p4o1k I hate to say this, because it seems Protestant: the Laity need to turn off the money. The bishops have been living high off the hog for far too long.
I hope to learn more about the true Saint Francis.
please brothe pray for my family and my two sons:arezki and akram thanks very much my brother
Sorry about my earlier comment. If your apostolate wins souls for Christ and increases devotions to the Blessed Mother and other saints, than what could be bad? I prefer a more traditional form of the mass and architecture. My earlier comments were snarky and immature.
I appreciate your humility in writing this second comment. Peace and good to you!
Would you do a video on NEW Age...
I have spent many afternoons there
'Give Me a Quiet Place....with Air-Conditioning.' I cant get close to God if I'm dealing with Arizona desert heat.
We have the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal who are doing this.
Hi brother just wanted to ask have been to Israel?
No I have not, but there are Franciscans there.
@@BreakingInTheHabit yes brother I saw them they doing great works God bless them and you , I wanted to ask do you have personal email I wanted to ask about many things about our Catholic church faith. Thanks
I want to become a secular Franciscan, but there's no Order where I live.
Trying to be as much of a monk/friar in the world as I can be.
Everyone is welcome? Equal? Now, that is unique and very welcome (IMO). Thanks. Ready for the test of your "equality", friar???
If you have specific questions, why not go to a local parish and ask a friar in person (face to face)? IMHO, it's much better to have dialogue in person than over the internet. I too have had questions and went directly to the source and have spoken to fathers who are Jesuits,Dominicans,Orthodox, and a Capuchin friar at the local Franciscan National Shrine where I live. Give it a try. Peace
This probably isn't the video to ask, but how do you feel about the Orthodox Monks?
I don't really have an opinion one way or the other because I have never interacted with them.
Pax et Bonum 🕊
A Brotherhood of Franciscans in LA was running low on funds, so they decided to remedy this problem by selling flowers. They went down to Hollywood and set up in front of the filming of The Greatest Showman. Because they were in the way of the crew, security tried to get them to leave, but the Brothers explained their situation to plead for them to stay. Hearing the commotion in front of the set, the star of the movie himself came out, talked with the men, and decided to donate some money if they agreed to go, which they did. This shows that only Hugh can prevent florist Friars.
James L. Carrig - thanks for this story. It struck me as totally hilarious. Laughlin with tears in eyes at 5:40 am getting reading to get on train .
If I was Catholic I would be interested in looking into becoming a sister.
To be fair, there is not much of a “life of the church” for people to connect to. I think this is very easy for religious to miss because you live in some kind of formalized, institutional Catholicism 24/7. I on the other hand have to create every facet of our family’s catholic life from the ground up. I can bring my kids to Mass but the truth is that we’re not really welcome in the Church, it’s not like our home, it’s more like an impersonal trip to a McDonalds drive through window.
If you want to lay down your life and live humbly, why not take care of children? That’s a community of humility. Perhaps knowing your place actually is the humble path you’re missing? I’m thinking out loud here.
This mornings homily by Friar Fr Dominic said there have been many new Friar orders over the years, so why the need for yet more or is the title of the video meant for your own new beginning.
Inspirational but sadly many of us experience a church without energy and perceived to be led by old men who have presided over a shameful period in our church's history. We pray that more men and women with Brother Casey's faith will bring about a faithful renewal and that it is not too late.
Well I tried to be early.
Ever since middle school, I felt the call to be either a Franciscan Friar or a Benedictine Monk. I did not have the worldly support I needed, and now I fear it is too late. I have not yet converted to Catholicism, and I have an astronomical balance of student loan debt. I ask you all to pray for me. I am deeply saddened that I cannot become a brother. I watch so many discernment and recruitment videos just to feel like I am a part of such a beautiful and glorious community.
I will pray for you. Ask God what he wants for you. He always wants the best for you.
Wars are down though
What I'f the brotherhood wanted to smoke ciggarettes?
There is no rule specifically against smoking, although there are health and financial concerns. Some friars do smoke.
Am 3rd Order Franciscan.
I agree that Franciscans need a renewal. PLEASE, do as Saint Francis did, and help the meekest of the meek - the animals. In today's world, the magnitude of animal abuse is beyond understanding. Animal agriculture contributes more than 50% to atmospheric pollution, and yet, the Church, the Franciscans, have not addressed this abuse in any meaningful way. St. Francis is the patron saint for animals and the environment. His love and compassion were ALL-INCLUSIVE. He said:" All things of creation are children of the Father and thus brothers of man... God wants us to help animals, if they need help. Every creature in distress has the same right to be protected." He is known for having rescued sheep from slaughter.
Susan Christiansz I'd call the 'meekest of the meek' the unborn, and especially unborn babies with conditions such as Downs Syndrome, who are aborted at a horrific rate in progressive, enlightened places like Western Europe and the USA.
But hey, I get what you're saying anyway.
It needs an essenic renewal
. . . past time . . .
Yes, Franciscan need renewal indeed. I go to Franciscan chaple Mass daily and the priests are very disappointing, the way they celebrate Mass is so irrelevant and joking during the Mass. I pray for them.
You could also call him the first 'eco-saint', as he preached to the animals.
Although he was not the first or only one to do that.
Sounds like Anthopocentric Pantheism!!! Those Franciscans are true Modernists.
Haha Fight for being passivists. xD The irony...
St. Francis never intended Franciscans to be ordained and celibate, but somehow the hierarchy of the Catholic church managed to monopolize this order.
I'm not sure where you heard this, but I have to disagree. St. Francis started by founding an order of penitent men. It was, but it's very nature, celibate, and priests were among the first to join. The rule itself (both early and later) include regulations for clerics but also overall rules for all members, meaning that St. Francis accepted priests but did not require them all to be priests (or to let that be their complete identity.) There was definitely some influence on the hierarchical Church to include certain formula (poverty, chastity, and obedience), to require a novitiate, and to maintain orthodox Catholic theology, but the Church didn't do anything to require celibacy or ordination.
@@BreakingInTheHabit Right. So now we have an order in which you must be ordained and take formal vows to be in the Franciscan order. Unless you join the lay order.... Or the ecumenical order. Somewhere along the way the church decided, as you have stated, that one must take the traditional vows of the church in order to be ordained in it (the Franciscan order). There are many reputable and reliable sources out there that state this was never Saint Francis's intention. I can post them here or send them to you if you wish.
Stephen Fratello No, this is not correct. One does not need to be ordained to be a Franciscan. Many members are neither priests nor deacons but live as lay brothers, equal in all things but orders in the community. This has not changed since Francis’ time.
@@BreakingInTheHabit I I think you might be misunderstanding me. I understand what you're saying. I discerned with the franciscans and ultimately I join the ecumenical Order of Saint Francis because I felt that was most in line with his original intent and Mission. I do not feel that celibacy or anything else should be pushed or forced on someone or even just required in any of the orders of Saint Francis or even in the church. If someone chooses to be celibate because they feel that is best for them for whatever reason that's their choice however it should not be mandatory. Neither should ordination. The order should just be an order of simplicity and an order that ministers to the poor and the needy of the world. To me that is the only requirement that needs to be fulfilled is a desire to live simply and to help others in need. The rest is just a bunch of frills and distractions and in some cases feeds into people's neuroses.
@@BreakingInTheHabit if you are in the Southwest right now maybe you can swing by the center for action and contemplation founded by your brother father Richard Rohr who has many wonderful and interesting insights on this. Not sure if you ever met him or spoke with him but I'm sure you would enjoy some of his perspectives and it would leave you with a lot of food for thought.