The Finnish Navy in WW2
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The Finnish Navy (Finnish: Merivoimat, Swedish: Marinen) is one of the branches of the Finnish Defence Forces. The navy employs 2,300 people and about 4,300 conscripts are trained each year. Finnish Navy vessels are given the ship prefix "FNS", short for "Finnish Navy ship", but this is not used in Finnish-language contexts. The Finnish Navy also includes coastal forces and coastal artillery.
The deeds of the Finnish Infantry in 1939 against the Soviet juggernaut during the fabled “Winter war” are well known. Lesser known is that at sea, the situation was as desperate with the Finns suffering a numeric inferiority of almost twenty to one. Despite their small size, the Finnish Navy (including its coastal forts) managed to inflict losses and disrupted Soviet merchant shipping during both the Winter and Continuation wars.
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The Finnish armed forces have a hallmark of always making do with what they have and making the utmost of everyone and everything that responded to the call to arms.
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Finland never surrendered. Finland did lose the war, but it was never occupied and its army never laid down its arms or totally disbanded. An armistice and then the Paris peace treaty was negotiated.
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It will be quite ironic that Russia will eventually sue for peace in the Ukraine War, and the terms won't be advantageous to Russia, which means Russia will effectively lose the war. Krembots in particular think Moscow needs to be captured in order for Russia to lose.
The probable reasons for Stalin to annex Finnland were that Finnland was part of the Russian Empire before ww1 and to close in to the Swedish iron ore mines in Kiruna.
The tactic of Stalin in his rivalty to Hitler was probably more sneaky than that of Hitler. It was the tactic of a constrictor snake.
In 1939 he participated in the annexiation of Poland. He annexed the baltic states. In 1940 Stalin tried to occupy Romania (vital for German oil supply but not for the Soviet Union). In october 1940 Stalin presented demands for Romania, Finnland and others. In spring 41 the soviet union concentrated about 150 divisions in a offensive positioning at its western borders.
I would guess that Stalin intended to take positions that would provide him a superiority before making perhaps eventually war.
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Siding with Germany wasn't really a choice for Finland, it was a necessity. Indy Neidell over at WW2 weekly channel summarised it pretty well, I'll quote him: "The Soviets invaded the Finns. The western allies promised help but it turned out to be a hypocritical ruse in order to invade Sweden. The only major country in Northern Europe that did not treat the Finns abysmally was Nazi Germany."
Exactly, it's pretty assuming to call the Finns "opportunistic".
Despite a lot of useful information, the video is biased and doesn't show much understanding of Finnish politics.
As an example it ignores the fact that in the Continuation War the Finns only took back the land stolen by the Soviets and refused numerous German calls to advance further to Russian territory, although they definitelly had power to do so at the time.
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I think that you mean Norway 🇳🇴
In fact the Norwegian iron ore had no better customers than ‘dolf’s Germanazis.
Like the Iranian oil at the time was British-invested, but the crafty shah being pro-nazi stuffed the staff with nazi trchnicians.
Add to that the pro-nazi revolt in Iraq 🇮🇶 & the nazi courting of
Turkey 🇹🇷, when the ussr was nazi invaded, the British & the sovs had no other choice than to occupy Persia.
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The Finns wanted nobody’s land BUT their own.
When we are talking about Interim peace time (1940-41) world tent to focus only on Finnish-German relations. The pressure provided by the Soviet union is not seen in discussions that well and that pressure did not help Finland to stay neutral.
Really liking this “navies in ww2 series”
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"For the New Year celebration of 1940, I will proclaim the Finnish Soviet Socialist Republic!" -Comrade Stalin, in November 1939
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It wasn't as if Sweden or Norway could help, although the tried alittle covertly.
USA was remaining neutral at the time. Russian , EVEN AS OF TODAY!, was the Greater enemy.
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It sounds like you are blaming us finns for doing everything we could to keep our independecy. Yes we did ally with Germans but we had no choice. USA and Britain was arming Soviet Union with their lend-lease agreement and we were pretty small and poor nation. And by the way, we never surrendered. We were deemed as the lost side of the both wars because Soviet Union and other Allied countries decided so. It was all politics. In the Contiunation War our options were to either go to war of two fronts with germans on our back and russians in front, surrender to russians or ally with germans. We did the last option and kept our freedom.
Finland has never surrendered and we never will.
If I had to guess, this is a channel funded in rubles by Kremlin. The dead giveaway is the "analysis" that the USSR attacked Finland to make sure no other nation is going to use the Finnish territory to attack the Soviet Union. That's the traditional Moscow principle dictating that countries bordering Russia only exist as a buffer zone to keep hostiles forces away from Russia, and thus it's up to Russia to decide whether they remain independent or not. It doesn't matter what the peoples of those countries think, themselves. The exact same thing in now happening in the war in Ukraine.
This is but another Kremlin bot channel.
During Operation Barbarossa Finland wisely halted its troops upon reaching the old 1939 Finland-USSR.
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Truth be told, the troops went further, but not by much. The idea was to find defensible positions and deny the Soviet Union airfields close to strategic targets. Quite a few rank-and-file soldiers refused to advance across the old border, after which they were quietly reassigned to building fortifications in the rear.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
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You forgot to mention that Finlnd after the wars against USSR, fought another wa, this time against Germany.
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This is not a criticism of your documentary in any way, but those 'Criticalpast' watermarks are so irritating whenever I see them on stock footage.
Sorry, I can’t control that!
The clickbait thumbnail warmed my heart as a Swede😆. Finland is just great 🤟😃✌
The Winter War 1939-40 lasted 105 days (instead of 101 as falsely told in the narrative). The talk of Finnish "surrender" is total rubbish - what was made in Moscow 12 March 1940 was a negotiated peace with the USSR, which included heavy terms as ceded territory and Soviet presence in a base on the Hanko peninsula on the Finnish mainland, but the peace terms maintained the sovereignty and independence of Finland (which would have been lost, had there really been a surrender, as was the original aim of Stalin - see how the Baltic countries Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania were treated in June 1940).
Why did the English declare war on Germany when it invaded Poland but not on Russia when it too invaded Poland.. and Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, etc etc?? England wanted another world War against Germany.
Because it knew it did not have the capacity to fight Russia as well as Germany . I think if you research this it will be very clear .
@@georgemalkin6546 Research shows that Germany, in both the WW1 and WW2 periods, was a commercial threat to England money whereas Russia was not. Further, Germany had some colonies in Africa and the Caroline Islands in the Pacific of which England wanted and did not want German competition in global expansion. Russia was already big in size by itself and was not developing overseas assets. It was all about the MONEY and England was as greedy as they come. Enough so that fighting wars and killing millions was a price they were willing to make the world pay. What they didn't anticipate was that the two world wars financially broke them. Karma sure is a b!tch.
They clearly had a much stronger air force than navy. I am guessing they did not anticipate Stalin's invasion in time to build or purchase warships, and once at war, it was too late. They could however buy planes and train pilots relatively fast. As it turns that window was fairly short as well.
They were stuck in a vice between warring superpowers. Say they didn't attack Russia in 1941 and Germany won anyway... they would be toast. There was near-zero fascist sympathy in Finland, they fought for survival.
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It's a sad fact that Finland overspent on its navy, especially the coastal defence ships, at the expense of its air force. Investing in Heinkel He-112 fighters to counter Soviet bombers would've made much better sense.
I agree that we spent to much money on the navy. But the He 112...I'm glad we didn't bought those. They were only fast and capable on paper, in reality they were underpowered and suitable for fighting. Romanian air force found out that fact when their He 112's went into combat.
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Want about the danish navy?
The Danish Navy in WW2
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The yellow map is Finland after WWII
Few notes. U butchered finnish names like u atleast tried to learn them, 4/5 for effort. But Winter War started by USSR unilateral attack to Finlane, hence Continuation War and German alliance. If finnish neutrality had been respected, maeby never would had joined attack in 1941!
That image AI upscaling looks awful
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As a finn i suffer for these name pronouncings but good video anyways
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@@HiddenHistoryYT you too!
If you really know anything about Finland WW2 you know that there was not any other wise moves than co-operate with nazis.
After Winterwar Finland got awfull food problem and anybody else than Germany was not ready to help. Die for hungry, collapse for Sovjets or co-operate Germany. Only that last was good choise.
Finland didn't really help Germany; judes was free and fight Finland army, any big secrets didn't give and secret weapons was secret for Germans, Nazi party was illigal from 1935.
Only idiots and communist( they are same) tells other story.
Great Britannia and USA help Stalin all the time and after war they say that they fight for freedom!!!!😂
Those coastal ships were monumental waste of money.
They constituted the concept of a fleet in being, a deterent to amphibious invasion (much as the Sverige-class did for Sweden). The Soviets used vast resources tracking and attacking them.
@@PSPaaskynen The Gulf of Finland was easily bottled up with naval mines. With an impenetrable minefield in place, the coastal defence ships had even less significance. Ironically, their AA guns mattered most when defending harbours and coastal cities. Much-cheaper barges fitted with AA guns could've served the same purpose.
Had the Soviets actually gotten their WWI era Gangut class battleships going, the coastal defense ships would have been toast in a heartbeat.
Mines, torpedo boats, and submarines would have been a better investment. And maybe a few gunboats to support troops ashore. And some small corvettes to escort merchant ships.
@@jbepsilon The shallow-draught coastal defence ships could've easily slipped somewhere where the Soviet battleships couldn't have followed. The shallow northern parts of the Baltic Sea are troublesome for larger warships. We regularly have ferries running aground when they stray from the sea lanes.
Finland had relatively modern subs, but their usefulness left a lot to be desired as well. The torpedo boats ranged from obsolete to spanking new Italian ones, and they were actually put to good use, even the older ones.
@@peabase Battleships have guns with a (practical) range of 25 km or so, they don't need to go right beside the other ship and hit it with their swords. Yes, there are certainly plenty of places in the archipelago where the coastal defense ships could (and did) have hidden from blue water battleships, but if you wish to engage the enemy you need to exit from your hiding spot. If you can shoot at them, they can shoot at you.
And yes, I'm aware that Finland had submarines and torpedo boats. Just saying that I think getting more of them would have been a more effective deterrent than the coastal defense ships.
Bullshit
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Siding with Germany wasn't really a choice for Finland, it was a necessity. Indy Neidell over at WW2 weekly channel summarized it pretty well, I'll quote him: "The Soviet imperialists invaded the Finns. The western allies promised help but it turned out to be a hypocritical ruse in order to invade Sweden. The only major country in Northern Europe that did not treat the Finns abysmally was Nazi Germany."
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