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One of the Finnish DB-3 (Mauri Kataila)pilots lived here in Toronto. Before retiring in the 80’s he ran CARA foods at the Toronto International Airport. He recalled one incident after landing in Ivalo in the far North. His one engine would not throttle down and he ran into a parked JU-88D1(GB+FE) . That German aircraft was being used to collect meteorological data . He jokingly claimed he shortened the war because of this. The two planes in question were a Ju-88D-1(coded GB+FE) and a Finnish DB-3(coded DB-20). The DB-3 was piloted by Mauri Kataila.
May I just remind you that the svastika on the Finnish planes had nothing to do with nazism. It’s a peace sign and was used after the delivery of a plane by Swedish count on Rosén as a gift in the 20ies with that sign on it
Correct. Finns had the emblem 20+ years before Nazis started using it. And during later parts in the war, Finland was removing it, and painted blue and white roundel instead.
@@RoyalMela The Soviets forced us to change it after the continuation war. The swastika is still used in some Finnish airforce medals and insignia though it was removed from the main airforce flag a couple of years ago.
as Finnish air force museum curator Kaj Mecklin said: ''If we deny the use, or stop using the swastika, we could give signal that actually it was a Nazi symbol in Finland - which it never was. We are still proud of it and still using it. It's also a symbol of Finnish stubbornness that we don't give up our right or our own history, if there is not any reason to be ashamed of it.''
@@jannelonnqvist2947 Finland used foreign bomber designs, in this case a Soviet design and the Soviets used western fighter designs against them. If you are used to identifying plane types like a pilot should, this would look like a pretty weird situation. In the continuation war yellow markings were added to Finnish planes to avoid friendly fire from the Germans or other Finns. Otherwise you have to judge these cases by insignia, which isn't always easy to make out, or from the paint scheme more generally if you can recognize it.
@@herptek Over the years I've read quite a few memoirs of finnish pilots as well as histories regarding Finnish Air Force and I do not recall ever coming across anyone commenting that the countries of origin (of the planes used by our and Soviet side) confused our pilots. I would gather the same applied to Soviet pilots. Besides, there were remarkably few, say, french, english, italian or american activity going on around Finnish front so getting confused by a non-american flying a P-40, for example, wouldn't be an issue.
Finnish anti-aircraft units at Viipuri did shoot down a Fokker D. XXI on the first day of Winter War since they "thought that Finland didn't have any aeroplanes at all". Pretty unbelievable, eh? (Also, I've been under the impression that the yellow eastern front markings were mainly used for the benefit of ground based units. Hence the wingtips are on the lower parts of the wings, and often only on the lower part of the cowling.)
they also modified the Blenheims to accept German, Russian and Finnish bombs. They altered the Hurricane's coolant system to reduce failures due to extreme cold. they also added or removed or otherwise altered the gun armament of all their aircraft as required, so the Moranes ended up with Russian guns and the engines from LaGGs.
We should remember, though, that there were real Nazi svaztikas flying in Finland at the end of the Continuation War too. Hitler sent 70 best Luftwaffe fighters and bombers to help the struggling Finnish land army. It was called Detachment Kuhlmey. There is a Wikipedia article about this.
Yup, and at 11:01 one from Dornier Do-17Z is featured. Dorniers also make other appearances in the video. Not overtly much film is available so I'd guess the video editor has to make do with what he can...
I never thought that the Germans would be selling the Finns captured Russian aircraft, but that's only because I never heard of it before. Pretty interesting video, thanks! Maybe if the Germans weren't so cheap and GAVE the Finns the Russian death traps in greater numbers they would have helped out the German war effort better?
The Finns were always looking to buy German planes but for the most parts their production was completely reserved for themselves. The bf 109 and ju88 squadrons were released for sale for political reasons (the Germans were loosing and wanted to retain Finnish trust).
What would you have done if you were in their place? They had to choose between Hitler and Stalin. You want to shame them for choosing the side that didn't attack them?
At least Finland was never a communist country. It may have something to do with how no enemy army ever managed to overrun Finland or to defeat the military as intended.
@@michaelt.5672 this, when russia attacked them in 39, many countries said they would lend aid, but almost none did, what ment when the continuation war started Finland had 2 options, join the Sovjet and for sure become a Sovjet state, or join Germany and hope Germany wins and Finland get their land back the Sovjets took, albeit due to Germanys good war effort at the start of the war, the Finns did become power hungry also and took way more land that the possibly could hold.
Detachment Kuhlmey claimed 200 Soviet tanks enroute to Ihantala. If that is anywhere near true it would be as far as I remember 60% of Soviet tank losses in the battle of Tali-Ihantala. That is significant, but wether or not it is decisive can be disputed.
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One of the Finnish DB-3 (Mauri Kataila)pilots lived here in Toronto. Before retiring in the 80’s he ran CARA foods at the Toronto International Airport. He recalled one incident after landing in Ivalo in the far North. His one engine would not throttle down and he ran into a parked JU-88D1(GB+FE) . That German aircraft was being used to collect meteorological data . He jokingly claimed he shortened the war because of this.
The two planes in question were a Ju-88D-1(coded GB+FE) and a Finnish DB-3(coded DB-20). The DB-3 was piloted by Mauri Kataila.
May I just remind you that the svastika on the Finnish planes had nothing to do with nazism. It’s a peace sign and was used after the delivery of a plane by Swedish count on Rosén as a gift in the 20ies with that sign on it
Correct. Finns had the emblem 20+ years before Nazis started using it. And during later parts in the war, Finland was removing it, and painted blue and white roundel instead.
@@RoyalMela The Soviets forced us to change it after the continuation war. The swastika is still used in some Finnish airforce medals and insignia though it was removed from the main airforce flag a couple of years ago.
as Finnish air force museum curator Kaj Mecklin said:
''If we deny the use, or stop using the swastika, we could give signal that actually it was a Nazi symbol in Finland - which it never was. We are still proud of it and still using it. It's also a symbol of Finnish stubbornness that we don't give up our right or our own history, if there is not any reason to be ashamed of it.''
@@antcommander1367they arent using it anymore. Because stupid butthurt people
Sign for good luck for him (Rosen) they paint it over white dot and that Rosen paint over it for good luck
DB-3s, flown by Finns, chased by P-40s, flown by Soviet pilots. Bet everyone were a bit confused.
This was a confusing front.
A Finnish bomber chased by a Soviet fighter. I bet it really wasn't all that confusing for the crews...
@@jannelonnqvist2947 Finland used foreign bomber designs, in this case a Soviet design and the Soviets used western fighter designs against them. If you are used to identifying plane types like a pilot should, this would look like a pretty weird situation.
In the continuation war yellow markings were added to Finnish planes to avoid friendly fire from the Germans or other Finns. Otherwise you have to judge these cases by insignia, which isn't always easy to make out, or from the paint scheme more generally if you can recognize it.
@@herptek Over the years I've read quite a few memoirs of finnish pilots as well as histories regarding Finnish Air Force and I do not recall ever coming across anyone commenting that the countries of origin (of the planes used by our and Soviet side) confused our pilots. I would gather the same applied to Soviet pilots.
Besides, there were remarkably few, say, french, english, italian or american activity going on around Finnish front so getting confused by a non-american flying a P-40, for example, wouldn't be an issue.
Finnish anti-aircraft units at Viipuri did shoot down a Fokker D. XXI on the first day of Winter War since they "thought that Finland didn't have any aeroplanes at all". Pretty unbelievable, eh?
(Also, I've been under the impression that the yellow eastern front markings were mainly used for the benefit of ground based units. Hence the wingtips are on the lower parts of the wings, and often only on the lower part of the cowling.)
This was a deep dive indeed! Great writing and excellent original footage, also from ground operations to service and arm the aircraft.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hyvä ohjelma, kiitos.
Eipä kestä eipä kestä :D
they also modified the Blenheims to accept German, Russian and Finnish bombs. They altered the Hurricane's coolant system to reduce failures due to extreme cold. they also added or removed or otherwise altered the gun armament of all their aircraft as required, so the Moranes ended up with Russian guns and the engines from LaGGs.
You sure remember that SWASTIKA origin is Von Rosens swastika who give Finish airforc e first plane.
wonderful video! thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Looking forward to the next episode 😊
You make the most interesting and informative videos. Thank you so much!
Incredible! They were able to Finish it !
Ba dum ksssss!
That’s an advanced looking aircraft for a mid 30s design. Very nice.
We should remember, though, that there were real Nazi svaztikas flying in Finland at the end of the Continuation War too. Hitler sent 70 best Luftwaffe fighters and bombers to help the struggling Finnish land army. It was called Detachment Kuhlmey. There is a Wikipedia article about this.
A fantastic video I must say ;)
I like your channel. I’m glad I found it 💪
Thanks!
9:38 looks like the glass canopy of a Blenheim !
Yup, and at 11:01 one from Dornier Do-17Z is featured.
Dorniers also make other appearances in the video.
Not overtly much film is available so I'd guess the video editor has to make do with what he can...
Another great video!
3:43 Back to the Ilyushin DB-3.
I love your content man keep it up❤
Thanks!
First!! Always great videos.
I never thought that the Germans would be selling the Finns captured Russian aircraft, but that's only because I never heard of it before. Pretty interesting video, thanks! Maybe if the Germans weren't so cheap and GAVE the Finns the Russian death traps in greater numbers they would have helped out the German war effort better?
Before FAF got the ME-109's, there was a plan to get bunch of MiG-3's as a new fighter from Germany.
Finns never wanted to help Germans. They fought their own war against Soviets and never took orders from Germans.
Interesting story.
Love the vids but the image of the aircraft on the video is a Tupolev SB
The video was originally supposed to cover the SB as well but plans changed and I forgot to change the thumbnail accordingly! It's updated now :)
@@aviationdeepdive thank you I wasn’t having a go I was just pointing it out
Wikipedia says 1,528 were built .
nice video
VL Pyry planned???????
3rd!
I'm surprised Adolf didn't give the Fins 2 - 3 squadrons of He-111 s ? (so these Russian rubbish could be scrapped)
The Finns were always looking to buy German planes but for the most parts their production was completely reserved for themselves.
The bf 109 and ju88 squadrons were released for sale for political reasons (the Germans were loosing and wanted to retain Finnish trust).
Göring gifted few Dorniers.
That Ikarus Art looks really cheap and cheesy.
Bruh no offence but you must have the worlds worst taste, I think that's some of the coolest aviation art I've ever seen
Yes the Finn’s,or Nazi lapdogs take your pick.
What would you have done if you were in their place?
They had to choose between Hitler and Stalin.
You want to shame them for choosing the side that didn't attack them?
Another Russian bot
At least Finland was never a communist country. It may have something to do with how no enemy army ever managed to overrun Finland or to defeat the military as intended.
Soviets were allied with Hitler until 1941. Pot calling kettle black
@@michaelt.5672 this, when russia attacked them in 39, many countries said they would lend aid, but almost none did, what ment when the continuation war started Finland had 2 options, join the Sovjet and for sure become a Sovjet state, or join Germany and hope Germany wins and Finland get their land back the Sovjets took, albeit due to Germanys good war effort at the start of the war, the Finns did become power hungry also and took way more land that the possibly could hold.
To be honest, there would not be Finns as we know, if there where not stuckas.
Detachment Kuhlmey claimed 200 Soviet tanks enroute to Ihantala. If that is anywhere near true it would be as far as I remember 60% of Soviet tank losses in the battle of Tali-Ihantala. That is significant, but wether or not it is decisive can be disputed.