So true. It’s the dopes who vote these people in that are the problem. Drive around Wales and you will not detect there is a government that cares about road safety.
@@jerryorange6983they were opposed to the blanket imposition in the first place. Outside schools,hospitals and nursing homes are not controversial places. Anywhere else,bar housing estates,is.
As someone who drives in Wales these 20mph speed limits are nonsensical, it must put people off from visiting. The ruling Welsh Labour government are clueless.
Who on earth would choose to holiday in Wales or Scotland now ??!! Speed limit nonsense in Wales and potential arrest for hate speech in Scotland Nup never again!!!!
I live in wales and agree outside schools, hospitals etc , 20 miles is fine. I find I’m constantly looking at my speedo instead of the road, unless there is a camera nobody seems to go at 20 mph and you are constantly being tailgated by people who want to go faster its an absolutely farce.
I guess you think that children all live opposite the school they go to. The reality is that childrens' homes are spread throughout urban areas, and often go out to play, or to the shops, at all times of the day. So the need for drivers to slow down applies to the whole urban area.
@@joules531 - How about parents and schools teaching children good road sense like they used to - this valuable part of a childs education seems to have been erased gradually since the 70s. (part of the 15 minutes city plan maybe?)
20mph zones reduce emissions considerably. Remember that if someone feels safe enough to walk or cycle, instead of driving, their emissions fall to zero. If they still choose to drive then their emissions typically fall by 8 percent. Just google it.
Apparently the 50 mph limit on the M4 at Port Talbot is tom improve air quality, have they not noticed the Steel Works ? The smell of sulpher isn't from cars on the M4.
Try telling Welsh Labour that. This money could have been sooo much better spent, like filling up the myriad of potholes that everyone moans about. GET LABOUR OUT.
The other day I was in Pulford, which is in Cheshire but right by the border with Wales. The cars on the B5445 coming from the Welsh direction moved like they were in a funeral procession, but as soon as they crossed the border by the parish church they accelerated. Freedom!
I drive a diesel car and driving at 20mph as already put a warning light on with the DPF filter blocked. Ashamed to be Welsh letting these idiots to get away with this
This is the first time I can actually agree with Andrew. 20MPH outside and around sensitive areas is a very good idea. However recently driving in wales on a B-road in the middle of nowhere the speed went from 60MPH, to 20MPH, to 30MPH back to 60MPH within a few hundred yards. It is causing more emissions across the whole of Wales not reducing emissions. I wonder how many Labour, Libs and Plaid members have shares in sign producing companies?
nobody minds 20mph around sensitive areas.. usually where theres speed humps unless you think cars car drive over speed humps at > 30mph over and over.
@CanenMyst. Second gear isn't designed for long distances. It's a transitional gear meant only for short periods of usage. Constant use of second gear will result in wear and tear of the gear box, and eventually the gear box will fail.
That’s the idea. Same with speed humps you think your car can handle them wrong, they cause fissures and cracks in springs and weakening of bushes joints they are lethal.
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong." Thomas Sowell.
Spent 10s of thousands walking & climbing in Wales, been going there every year for decades. No chance of me visiting ever again while this madness continues. Dear Labor Party, "buy your own f***ing glue"
We must stop voting Labour in Wales. I could randomly select 50 people off the street in my village who would do as better job of running the country than Labour. We need 2 new political parties in this country but I will settle for one at the moment who does not follow the WEF manifesto that will make our lives more restricted, more controlled, cold, miserable and penniless.
It was never about safety or the environment (it achieves neither) but about compliance and further punishing the already hard-pressed british motorist. Well done people of Wales for pushing back against state stupidity and authoritarianism.
Why are these unqualified people allowed to meddle with the public highway. They wouldn't be allowed to meddle with our gas or electricity supply yet the highways are far more dangerous. They should stick to what they are qualified to do...... Whatever that is.
The dumber the puppet the easier the puppet-masters jobs is - just look at who the puppet-masters have placed on the top seats in Wales, England, Scotland and N. Ireland. IMVHO - all placed purposefully - not a single one of them was actually voted in.
I live in oxfordshire, so many little villages have this crazy 20mph limit. My local village Cassington sometimes has loony/do gooder villagers trying to monitter the speeds . Complete idiots.
The fast Yarnton road has encouraged excessive speed for years, despite the obvious risks of deceptively sweeping blind curves, parked cars, numerous side roads and hidden driveways, and many houses whose front doors open directly onto this potentially dangerous road. The 20mph limit was put in place because drivers were often going too fast. You have to remember that villages like these, have many residents who are of senior age, so the risk of a momentary lack of concentration, undeclared poor eyesight, or the onset of dementia, makes a head on collision a statistically greater possibility. And a head on collision between two cars travelling at 30mph, makes the resulting 60mph impact likely to be unsurvivable. Whereas two cars hitting at 20mph, would make the resulting 40mph impact far more survivable, albeit still very serious, and probably life changing. If villages are actively monitoring speeds in Cassington then that's a good indiction that there is genuine reason for concern. So, rather than creating concern for residents, and labelling them as "do-gooders" or loonies, it would be far better for drivers to just stick to the f***ing speed limit for the common good, and wait till they get to the A40 before letting rip.
I am sick and tired of being tail gated in 20mph zones - these ridiculous speed limits are causing increased danger and pollution on the roads throughout the UK, not just in Wales.
Absolutely agree. I'm always being tail gated even when I have my children in the car. It causes alot of angst when it can also turns into flashing lights or horn honking. I've had to stop several times for them to get around me and soo much abuse for just sticking to the 20 mph speed limit. So much so, I've now bought a dash cam and will be passing videos onto the Police which is also costing them a lot of their funding which is needed for so much more!. Ffs Government!
I use to go to Wales for holidays but after 20 MPH rule , no longer go there ,period...its just another way of stealing my hard earned Cash out of my pocket...no ,no no
I live on the Welsh border and haven't been into Wales since this 20 mph limit was introduced. Last weekend being a prime example as I did not go to an event in Wales that I always used to go to, sorry folks.
Was in wales last year on holiday it was painful getting though the 2omph areas , considering going elsewhere this year purly because of these stupid new speed limits.
It's not just 30 to 20 either. 70 to 50 on some motorway sections and major arterial roads, and 40 to 30 in many areas. I suspect that the National Speed Limit of 60mph in rural areas will be the next target.
Ive moved all my work from wales now that used to make over £15000 weekly plus taxes, fuel, another £5000 wk. Thats just 1 small buisness so think on a larger scale? I dont use wales at all and my trucks dont give a s+%t. Wales, the only country to go backwards to flag men and horse & cart speeds! Shame
Government shouldn't own and operate roads in the first place. You're just asking for trouble, granting politicians (of all people) control over the roads. Politicians are some of the worst people in human society. Trusting that lot is insane.
"The self-flattery of the vision of the left also gives it's true believers a huge ego stake in that vision, which means that mere facts are unlikely to make them reconsider, regardless of what evidence piles up against the vision of the left, and regardless of its disastrous consequences." Thomas Sowell.
I've been driving in Wales over the last few days and can say that in my experience most drivers drive above 20mph when the limit is 20mph. Drivers are voting with their accelerators.
Why not just ignore the population of Wales who pay your wages ,bath introduced 20mph limits a study has now shown that deaths and collisions have risen in all areas covered, if they refuse to implement the will of the people who employ them to represent your wishes then they are redundant and not needed ,,,trough feeders
Didn't affect the Drakeford family.He no longer drives. His beloved son Jay Humphries is off the road till 2027 (Check it out) and his wife can't drive any more.(sorry about that one) . Anyway my vehicles say NO.
I lived in North Wales for 18 years and the death from road accidents is very high when compared with elsewhere,most those accidents were caused by drink driving and young drivers going around rural areas like a bat out of hell in high powered small cars. When driving on mountain narrow roads motorcycles were the biggest offenders and casualties for riding recklessly on high powered at breakneck speed on these roads and introducing this ridiculous speed limit of 20mph isn’t going to stop those accidents because they are going to ignore them anyway and often muddy their number plates up so speed cameras cannot identify them,no matter what they say it’s just a money making exercise to create revenue and nothing else. A neighbour friend of ours was fined for 2 mph over the limit when reducing speed from a 40 mph limit to a 30 mph area by a roadside camera vehicle,these tactics have been going on for years and years and before anyone says they don’t fine you for that because of speedo error they do in Wales. I think they should concentrate on Heath care down there because in certain areas it’s pathetic and I am convinced that more people die because of that than they do on the roads, they need to get their priorities right,this silly 20 mph caper is going to ruin the holiday trade and day trippers not to mention the thousands of static caravan owners throughout Wales who will just move elsewhere.
I am deeply skeptical of the alleged environmental advantages of 20 mph limits due to my own experience when one was imposed in my home town during the pandemic, because my fuel consumption increased by almost 4 mpg during this time, even though there was less traffic. The area is characterised by long, relatively gentle hills, and normally when the roads are clear third gear is fine most of the time; at 20 mph I was frequently having to change from third to second and back again to avoid over-revving and/or lugging the engine. In short, I hated it, my car hated it, and so did my wallet. I am a former driving instructor who used to teach eco-driving for a living, and if I cannot improve my environmental impact under these constraints, then I very much doubt the average motorist can. The choice of speed limit for any road type is always contentious because conflicting needs have to be met. Planners have to weigh the expectations of motorists to make reasonable progress against the risk to pedestrians and other vulnerable road users; where it is high, 20 mph does make sense; but on other roads with good visibility and few hazards, 30 mph is far more realistic. In these places changing it to 20 would make little, if any, positive contribution to road safety; in fact it could do the opposite, because experience has shown that if limits are set unrealistically low frustrated drivers habitually ignore them, which increases the danger to everyone. The bottom line is that speed limits have to be credible, and in this country 30 mph hits the sweet spot for the majority of urban roads, and it is a speed which approximately 85 per cent of british drivers are happy to comply with. Drop it to 20 and the situation would be quite different - and not in a good way.
No reasonable person would object if mandatory 20 mph limits were imposed where they are needed, but as a replacement for 30 mph they are totally inappropriate. It would be nice if the people who dream up these hare-brained schemes would get real just once in a while. Even under perfect conditions it takes fifty per cent longer to travel one mile at twenty miles per hour than it does at thirty; that may not bother them, but to collection and delivery drivers with 100 drops to make before the close of business, and company car users doing 80 thousand miles a year or more (to name just a few), it is a huge encumbrance. And it is all very well pointing out that modern cars use very little fuel in fourth gear at twenty miles per hour, but perhaps someone should break it to these bright sparks that not all roads are flat?!
20mph is now the legal speed limit on most roads in central Brighton & Hove and many residential roads across the city - please look out for the signs. Where 20mph limits are installed, they are both legal and enforceable. One Thousand people is not a lot when Wales population is 3.6 millin.
It is not the 30 mph that kills people it is the speedsters who drive dangerously. 20 mph is resulting more accidents from surveys. We all know what should happen just get on with it.
The difference in breaking distances between 30 & 20mph will have a negligible effect on deaths, but will have a huge effect on the welfare of the whole of Wales.
Objectively false, it's not about the braking distance so much as it's about the impact speed. A person struck at 20 mph is orders of magnitude more likely to survive
Unless your driving an EV - too heavy for 30pmh. But if your driving an ICE vehicle 30+ not a stopping distance problem with them because they are so much lighter - and have far less tyre degredation so cause far less respiratory illnesses. Give it 10 years and EV death count will be exponentially huge next to ICE vehicles.
I recently went to Wales from London to purchase a new car... I insured it and made my way home to London. As I was driving out of Wales, I was being overtaken by my cyclist friends and also noticed cameras literally everywhere. It was 20mph on huge open country style roads and I was like wtf is this nonsense? as I saw the sign of leaving Wales and got onto the motorway, I felt at ease and going into London, I was glad. Fk Wales. It's such a weird, backwards place.
we have the same issues in southampton but one of the leaders is a cyclist and wants cars banned for his benefit so we will never get back to 30mph roads
I guarantee if I was driving at 20mph on the road I would be more likely not to pay attention and crash then driving an appropriate speed for my concentration and surroundings.
Finally the adult in the Cardiff Bay joke shop joins the party. Ken Skates was an opponent of the blanket imposition of the speed limit and his announcement is welcome. Obviously we'll have to wait until he makes the announcement officially but it's welcome news all the same.
73% of Logistic companies have already left Wales , Mine included. My Drivers don’t want to have points on their License due to going g 2 miles over the 20 mph limit while driving and looking for a House number to deliver a parcel, Its not worth it, We also have to ask Drivers to Volunteer to deliver in Wales its crazy, Wales Welsh Government is Insane.
It's when an ambulance,fire engine and police car are overtaken by a milk float answering an urgent 999 call you know you're in trouble.... Muppets..😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
All emergency services stuck in 20mph traffic bumper to bumper - the emergency services cannot get past - 20mph limit madness will result in a huge rise in deaths across the board.
The 20MPH is good for child safety and noise. Plus it only effects about 30% of roads. Woke Labour have destroyed Wales, no doubt in other ways. Drakeford is despised. Reform Party are not perfect but they are a step in the right direction. Although i do think the 20MPH was the only good idea Labour did introduce, they have done it for control reasons not safety reasons.
As far as safety is concerned, the biggest danger people face in crossing the road, is with wearing earphones or earbuds, totally oblivious to what's happening around them.
@@Cader-ce6bv I had one in Cwmbran at the weekend, weaving in and out of two lanes of traffic at 60mph, cars were doing around 35 to 40 - one organ donor in waiting that guy and no sympathy from when it happens. The biggest cause of accidents in 30 zones are people speeding at 50 or 60mph, they are not going to slow down even if its 5mph limit
Have a look at the levels of debt that Welsh councils are carrying, mostly Labour run, and that will give you your answer. What an advert for devolution.
Eight areas of Wales have now had the 20mph limit for over two years, I’ve yet to see any published data on how many lives/serious injuries have been saved due to the 20mph enforcement. All Wales bus route timetables have had to be altered, some have been axed. Wales is in reverse at Mark Drakeford’s preferred speed of 20mph. They might as well take down the Senydd protest website.
Labour has a significant majority in the Welsh Snedd and the 20mph will stay since they put it in and won't admit to the mistake. This shows the dangers of a political party that has too big a majority and it can simply ignore everyone. 😢
Andrew supported this change at its inception, it’s just opportunism now. Where I live the town centre is much safer at 20mph Still plenty of 60mph roads. I prefer my kids alive
We've lived in Wales since 2011 but we've decided that in a few years we will sell the house and move use and our business (along with it's tax payments) back to England. The 20mph is bloody stupid which thankfully most people are ignoring but you always get stuck behind the one doing 15mph. It just ruins your day. We used to often visit North Wales for a weekend, spending our money up there but haven't been up for ages now as it just takes far too long to get up there and the drive is just slow and stressful.
Other drivers ruin your day despite where you are in the UK but can imagine its worse in Wales, bet the labour voters are loving it, making way for 15 minute prisons
@@Yagdrol I guess that depends on where you are in England. Have you ever tried the M5 on a Friday afternoon? You're lucky to get to 20mph let alone the 50mph motorway speed limit
@@stequality To be fair to Labour voters, I doubt they knew they were voting for this. It was buried very deep in the labour manifesto and never mentioned prior to elections.
Speed cameras are there to generate funds, nothing to do with safety or pollution.
It's nothing but a scam
Until Wales wake up and kick these parties out we will always be dictated to by idiots.
So true. It’s the dopes who vote these people in that are the problem. Drive around Wales and you will not detect there is a government that cares about road safety.
Replacing idiots with other ones is not the solution.
What the alternative is? Tories ????????
That's the problem, the nationalists supported the labour regime, and we know what the greens think.
@@jerryorange6983they were opposed to the blanket imposition in the first place. Outside schools,hospitals and nursing homes are not controversial places. Anywhere else,bar housing estates,is.
Labour dont give a toss they do what they want
I’m never voting Labour again it reform for me and all my family in Wales now, they’ve totally ignored their voters
@@johnkitching2248don't knock it till you have one
You voted for Labour before?!?! You didn't vote for them in 2019 or 2017 did you?!
@@My_Name_Is_Brian and your point is ????
@@johnkitching2248 Silly boy!
@@mustardtree6640 I'm asking you a simple question
The Welsh should STOP votng for Labour !!!!
The educated people have never voted for them.
Agree they absolutely should but sadly they won't. Labour are too safe in Wales
As someone who drives in Wales these 20mph speed limits are nonsensical, it must put people off from visiting. The ruling Welsh Labour government are clueless.
That is the plan
Lets see how many head for Pembrokeshire in the summer shall we. I bet the place will be as heaving as it is every year
Welsh Labour does not have a majority, it's Plaid and Liberals that are giving them the power.
Who on earth would choose to holiday in Wales or Scotland now ??!!
Speed limit nonsense in Wales and potential arrest for hate speech in Scotland
Nup never again!!!!
Itis all falling apart -
Excellent news👌
Put clowns in charge and you get a circus.
I live in wales and agree outside schools, hospitals etc , 20 miles is fine. I find I’m constantly looking at my speedo instead of the road, unless there is a camera nobody seems to go at 20 mph and you are constantly being tailgated by people who want to go faster its an absolutely farce.
outside schools only during school hours - ie 8am to 4pm but not during school holidays or weekends.
I guess you think that children all live opposite the school they go to. The reality is that childrens' homes are spread throughout urban areas, and often go out to play, or to the shops, at all times of the day. So the need for drivers to slow down applies to the whole urban area.
@@joules531 - How about parents and schools teaching children good road sense like they used to - this valuable part of a childs education seems to have been erased gradually since the 70s. (part of the 15 minutes city plan maybe?)
20 miles per hour is a total joke, there is no problem with air quality anyway, and driving at 20 mph creates more pollution.....
20mph zones reduce emissions considerably. Remember that if someone feels safe enough to walk or cycle, instead of driving, their emissions fall to zero. If they still choose to drive then their emissions typically fall by 8 percent. Just google it.
Driving a car at 20mph increases emissions, not reduce them, anyone with a trip computer can easily debunk this insanity.
Apparently the 50 mph limit on the M4 at Port Talbot is tom improve air quality, have they not noticed the Steel Works ? The smell of sulpher isn't from cars on the M4.
Untrue. Emissions are the same.
Insanity is dead children
Try telling Welsh Labour that. This money could have been sooo much better spent, like filling up the myriad of potholes that everyone moans about. GET LABOUR OUT.
@@SaltySeaQueen-nn8wm And replace them with who ? None of the other parties seem to have any policies
@neilanderson2374 There are no dead children that's a lie and you know it is.
Scrap it now
No one.wants to visit.Wales anymore! Why would.they
@@johnkitching2248 They should. The speed limit in built-up areas in Russia is 60kph.
Tens of thousands do everyday.
Looks nice but depressing at same time nothin there really
The other day I was in Pulford, which is in Cheshire but right by the border with Wales. The cars on the B5445 coming from the Welsh direction moved like they were in a funeral procession, but as soon as they crossed the border by the parish church they accelerated. Freedom!
I drive a diesel car and driving at 20mph as already put a warning light on with the DPF filter blocked. Ashamed to be Welsh letting these idiots to get away with this
This is the first time I can actually agree with Andrew. 20MPH outside and around sensitive areas is a very good idea. However recently driving in wales on a B-road in the middle of nowhere the speed went from 60MPH, to 20MPH, to 30MPH back to 60MPH within a few hundred yards. It is causing more emissions across the whole of Wales not reducing emissions. I wonder how many Labour, Libs and Plaid members have shares in sign producing companies?
nobody minds 20mph around sensitive areas.. usually where theres speed humps unless you think cars car drive over speed humps at > 30mph over and over.
We keep hearing the high streets are dying well keep introducing these stupid traffic restrictions is not helping.
Putting economic prosperity before life-and-death.
@@martynblackburn9632Grow up.
@@martynblackburn9632 Putting economic prosperity before proven to be fabricated utter BS.
20 mph requires second gear, 30 mph can use 3rd and sometimes4th. What reduction in emissions?
@CanenMyst. Second gear isn't designed for long distances. It's a transitional gear meant only for short periods of usage. Constant use of second gear will result in wear and tear of the gear box, and eventually the gear box will fail.
That’s the idea. Same with speed humps you think your car can handle them wrong, they cause fissures and cracks in springs and weakening of bushes joints they are lethal.
A small engine can go comfortably in 3rd at 20 mph my fiesta does anyway
Only for EVs
@@christinebrassey7877 Some cars have no choice at 20mph, not all cars are geared the same
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong."
Thomas Sowell.
Just ignore the limit. Here in North Wales 99% of cars I see are.
I'm up in NW and I see everyone obeying the limit.... when there passing a speed camera lol
@@ricardosmythe2548 - We need a nationwide bladerunner campaign to erase all the money making con cameras across the whgole of the UK.
Spent 10s of thousands walking & climbing in Wales, been going there every year for decades.
No chance of me visiting ever again while this madness continues.
Dear Labor Party, "buy your own f***ing glue"
The people in Wales did not vote for 20mpg it was just the senedd
True that. The Welsh tories voted for it in the Senydd on mass though. There just saying what we want to hear now
The Senedd puppets of their W£F PUPP£T-MA$T£R$.
Everybody should drive at 20…for a whole day on ALL Welsh roads, as a sign of protest.👍🏴👍
We must stop voting Labour in Wales. I could randomly select 50 people off the street in my village who would do as better job of running the country than Labour. We need 2 new political parties in this country but I will settle for one at the moment who does not follow the WEF manifesto that will make our lives more restricted, more controlled, cold, miserable and penniless.
Reform UK
It was never about safety or the environment (it achieves neither) but about compliance and further punishing the already hard-pressed british motorist. Well done people of Wales for pushing back against state stupidity and authoritarianism.
We are driving around in Second Gear in Wales how is that good for the air quality
It is a stupid idea.
Vote REFORM
I drove to Conwy then on to Beaumaris , it was hard going with the 20 mph rule, and i dont think i will be doing that again.
Why are these unqualified people allowed to meddle with the public highway. They wouldn't be allowed to meddle with our gas or electricity supply yet the highways are far more dangerous. They should stick to what they are qualified to do...... Whatever that is.
This leader studied Politics, the last one studied Latin.
If they are qualified for anything .....which doesn'tseem likely considering the mess Wales is in..
In the case of Drakeford he was a glorified social studies lecturer, that says it all.
Not a lot from what I can - their primary skill is wearing headphones to block out what the public actually want
One way to get you out of a car. 20 mph limit is a joke. Now they can give speeding tickets to bicyclists. 🖕😊🖕
I'm Welsh, there is NO POINT in the 20 limit
Outside schools, maybe, but not on all roads
Labour are a joke
I live in Wales and unless there are any speed cameras very few if any follow the 20mph the whole fiasco is a waste of money and time.
3 miles at 20 to our local supermarket in my part of Wales. I hardly see a pedestrian , light traffic most times too.
Come on Labour, give us the figures how many lives have you saved?
Drakeford definitely wasn't the sharpest pencil in the box, but that's democracy for you. It allows fools to elect other fools into power.
Look on the bright side, it will soon be a Muslim Government and you won't be able to vote for anyone!
The dumber the puppet the easier the puppet-masters jobs is - just look at who the puppet-masters have placed on the top seats in Wales, England, Scotland and N. Ireland.
IMVHO - all placed purposefully - not a single one of them was actually voted in.
This will make tourists spend holidays looking at their speedo not enjoying the beautiful landscapes
Running over children as their eyes were too busy watching their speedos and not the road.
It's all about control
I live in oxfordshire, so many little villages have this crazy 20mph limit. My local village Cassington sometimes has loony/do gooder villagers trying to monitter the speeds .
Complete idiots.
The fast Yarnton road has encouraged excessive speed for years, despite the obvious risks of deceptively sweeping blind curves, parked cars, numerous side roads and hidden driveways, and many houses whose front doors open directly onto this potentially dangerous road. The 20mph limit was put in place because drivers were often going too fast.
You have to remember that villages like these, have many residents who are of senior age, so the risk of a momentary lack of concentration, undeclared poor eyesight, or the onset of dementia, makes a head on collision a statistically greater possibility. And a head on collision between two cars travelling at 30mph, makes the resulting 60mph impact likely to be unsurvivable. Whereas two cars hitting at 20mph, would make the resulting 40mph impact far more survivable, albeit still very serious, and probably life changing.
If villages are actively monitoring speeds in Cassington then that's a good indiction that there is genuine reason for concern. So, rather than creating concern for residents, and labelling them as "do-gooders" or loonies, it would be far better for drivers to just stick to the f***ing speed limit for the common good, and wait till they get to the A40 before letting rip.
Same in Buckley. The blue rinses come out when it's sunny with their speed guns.
Controll controll controll
I am sick and tired of being tail gated in 20mph zones - these ridiculous speed limits are causing increased danger and pollution on the roads throughout the UK, not just in Wales.
then please, driver faster. I'm tired of tail gating people doing stupidly slow speeds.
With a car doing 20mph in front of me I cannot drive faster. Drivers like you, Mr. Coleman, should be banned!! @@e.colemantlpss6406
Absolutely agree. I'm always being tail gated even when I have my children in the car. It causes alot of angst when it can also turns into flashing lights or horn honking. I've had to stop several times for them to get around me and soo much abuse for just sticking to the 20 mph speed limit. So much so, I've now bought a dash cam and will be passing videos onto the Police which is also costing them a lot of their funding which is needed for so much more!. Ffs Government!
I use to go to Wales for holidays but after 20 MPH rule , no longer go there ,period...its just another way of stealing my hard earned Cash out of my pocket...no ,no no
Get a new FM who will cancel this stupid ruling , we are a cancel culture.
Why not 5mph it would be even safer. Crazy
It is in Benidorm.........10kph..........6mph...🤪🤪🤪🤪
It’s daft but what do expect from this Welsh government bonkers inept 🤦🏽♂️
I live on the Welsh border and haven't been into Wales since this 20 mph limit was introduced.
Last weekend being a prime example as I did not go to an event in Wales that I always used to go to, sorry folks.
It only effects about 30% of roads. Get a grip.
@@Yagdrol It affects several of the towns I would have gone through.
Same here Mate, Wales is dead to me now, perhaps that is the plan?
Air pollution 🤣 like we believe that.
Was in wales last year on holiday it was painful getting though the 2omph areas , considering going elsewhere this year purly because of these stupid new speed limits.
It's not just 30 to 20 either. 70 to 50 on some motorway sections and major arterial roads, and 40 to 30 in many areas. I suspect that the National Speed Limit of 60mph in rural areas will be the next target.
Ive moved all my work from wales now that used to make over £15000 weekly plus taxes, fuel, another £5000 wk. Thats just 1 small buisness so think on a larger scale? I dont use wales at all and my trucks dont give a s+%t. Wales, the only country to go backwards to flag men and horse & cart speeds! Shame
Scotland will be next 😂😂
It already is in some places.
And Scotland will spend £46 million on these stupid 20mph signs,, Wales has blown £36 million....
So stupid!!!!
Listen to the people or pay the price at the ballot box !
They are scared of an X on a piece of card with pencil ? Good luck pal
They are scared of an X on a piece of card with pencil ? Good luck pal
Government shouldn't own and operate roads in the first place. You're just asking for trouble, granting politicians (of all people) control over the roads. Politicians are some of the worst people in human society. Trusting that lot is insane.
"The self-flattery of the vision of the left also gives it's true believers a huge ego stake in that vision, which means that mere facts are unlikely to make them reconsider, regardless of what evidence piles up against the vision of the left, and regardless of its disastrous consequences."
Thomas Sowell.
20mph was ok in the 1900’s, talk about ridiculous.
Yep that why I still do 30 plus
Speed bumps and 20MPH helped close my 'to the door' delivery food service; driving time increased 1 1/2 hours each day.
So people can die so as long as you get your groceries delivered on time.
I've been driving in Wales over the last few days and can say that in my experience most drivers drive above 20mph when the limit is 20mph. Drivers are voting with their accelerators.
Having just drove up to Hollyhead via the A5 at 11.30 at night with nothing on the roads yet you have to stick to 20mph in Towns.
Utterly ridiculous.
Had to go into Wales a couple of weeks back, seems it was just me and one other driver taking any notice of the 20 MPH limit.
Why not just ignore the population of Wales who pay your wages ,bath introduced 20mph limits a study has now shown that deaths and collisions have risen in all areas covered, if they refuse to implement the will of the people who employ them to represent your wishes then they are redundant and not needed ,,,trough feeders
Didn't affect the Drakeford family.He no longer drives. His beloved son Jay Humphries is off the road till 2027 (Check it out) and his wife can't drive any more.(sorry about that one) . Anyway my vehicles say NO.
Stupidity was in the minds of the Labour government when they implemented the 20 mph speed limit, but then again, that would be expected.
Fuel consumption increases at 20mph more fuel used more duty charged to motorists and more co2 if thats what they actually worried about
Clean air 😂😂 dont be a soft toy 🤡🤡
I lived in North Wales for 18 years and the death from road accidents is very high when compared with elsewhere,most those accidents were caused by drink driving and young drivers going around rural areas like a bat out of hell in high powered small cars. When driving on mountain narrow roads motorcycles were the biggest offenders and casualties for riding recklessly on high powered at breakneck speed on these roads and introducing this ridiculous speed limit of 20mph isn’t going to stop those accidents because they are going to ignore them anyway and often muddy their number plates up so speed cameras cannot identify them,no matter what they say it’s just a money making exercise to create revenue and nothing else. A neighbour friend of ours was fined for 2 mph over the limit when reducing speed from a 40 mph limit to a 30 mph area by a roadside camera vehicle,these tactics have been going on for years and years and before anyone says they don’t fine you for that because of speedo error they do in Wales. I think they should concentrate on Heath care down there because in certain areas it’s pathetic and I am convinced that more people die because of that than they do on the roads, they need to get their priorities right,this silly 20 mph caper is going to ruin the holiday trade and day trippers not to mention the thousands of static caravan owners throughout Wales who will just move elsewhere.
Making life difficult for the people to go about daily life its a disgrace
"My life is more important than someone else's".
@@martynblackburn9632that is how you feel
I am deeply skeptical of the alleged environmental advantages of 20 mph limits due to my own experience when one was imposed in my home town during the pandemic, because my fuel consumption increased by almost 4 mpg during this time, even though there was less traffic. The area is characterised by long, relatively gentle hills, and normally when the roads are clear third gear is fine most of the time; at 20 mph I was frequently having to change from third to second and back again to avoid over-revving and/or lugging the engine. In short, I hated it, my car hated it, and so did my wallet. I am a former driving instructor who used to teach eco-driving for a living, and if I cannot improve my environmental impact under these constraints, then I very much doubt the average motorist can.
The choice of speed limit for any road type is always contentious because conflicting needs have to be met. Planners have to weigh the expectations of motorists to make reasonable progress against the risk to pedestrians and other vulnerable road users; where it is high, 20 mph does make sense; but on other roads with good visibility and few hazards, 30 mph is far more realistic. In these places changing it to 20 would make little, if any, positive contribution to road safety; in fact it could do the opposite, because experience has shown that if limits are set unrealistically low frustrated drivers habitually ignore them, which increases the danger to everyone. The bottom line is that speed limits have to be credible, and in this country 30 mph hits the sweet spot for the majority of urban roads, and it is a speed which approximately 85 per cent of british drivers are happy to comply with. Drop it to 20 and the situation would be quite different - and not in a good way.
No reasonable person would object if mandatory 20 mph limits were imposed where they are needed, but as a replacement for 30 mph they are totally inappropriate. It would be nice if the people who dream up these hare-brained schemes would get real just once in a while. Even under perfect conditions it takes fifty per cent longer to travel one mile at twenty miles per hour than it does at thirty; that may not bother them, but to collection and delivery drivers with 100 drops to make before the close of business, and company car users doing 80 thousand miles a year or more (to name just a few), it is a huge encumbrance. And it is all very well pointing out that modern cars use very little fuel in fourth gear at twenty miles per hour, but perhaps someone should break it to these bright sparks that not all roads are flat?!
Loonatics in charge that don't know what they are doing, they are incapable of doing anything more complicated than shelf stacking in Tesco
This just a form of further taxation on the public. All about the fines.
You most be able to pass your driving test in Wales as you can only go 20 mph, everyone should go to Wales to do a test.
Readers , REFORM UK PARTY ARE STANDING IN WALES !! GOODBYE TO THE ZAMBIAN !! SAYS WELSH DALE .
Are you serious electric HGV vs you're as mad as the WEF
There are already electric dump trucks and planes. it will happen. Don't be like the fools who said electric cars will never catch on
electric HGV is just another W£F bag of shyte unworkable plan.
The slower you drive the more likely you will get distracted
20mph is now the legal speed limit on most roads in central Brighton & Hove and many residential roads across the city - please look out for the signs. Where 20mph limits are installed, they are both legal and enforceable. One Thousand people is not a lot when Wales population is 3.6 millin.
Why is it government dictate instead of govern? It’s going to lead to revolution.
It is not the 30 mph that kills people it is the speedsters who drive dangerously. 20 mph is resulting more accidents from surveys. We all know what should happen just get on with it.
Why didn't they vote on it before implementing it 😮
The Welsh tories were behind the 20mph limit before it was introduced.
The difference in breaking distances between 30 & 20mph will have a negligible effect on deaths, but will have a huge effect on the welfare of the whole of Wales.
Objectively false, it's not about the braking distance so much as it's about the impact speed. A person struck at 20 mph is orders of magnitude more likely to survive
Unless your driving an EV - too heavy for 30pmh.
But if your driving an ICE vehicle 30+ not a stopping distance problem with them because they are so much lighter - and have far less tyre degredation so cause far less respiratory illnesses. Give it 10 years and EV death count will be exponentially huge next to ICE vehicles.
This country is out of control madness
I recently went to Wales from London to purchase a new car... I insured it and made my way home to London. As I was driving out of Wales, I was being overtaken by my cyclist friends and also noticed cameras literally everywhere.
It was 20mph on huge open country style roads and I was like wtf is this nonsense? as I saw the sign of leaving Wales and got onto the motorway, I felt at ease and going into London, I was glad.
Fk Wales. It's such a weird, backwards place.
Where are the Welsh Blade Runners when you need them
we have the same issues in southampton but one of the leaders is a cyclist and wants cars banned for his benefit so we will never get back to 30mph roads
I guarantee if I was driving at 20mph on the road I would be more likely not to pay attention and crash then driving an appropriate speed for my concentration and surroundings.
Finally the adult in the Cardiff Bay joke shop joins the party. Ken Skates was an opponent of the blanket imposition of the speed limit and his announcement is welcome. Obviously we'll have to wait until he makes the announcement officially but it's welcome news all the same.
73% of Logistic companies have already left Wales , Mine included. My Drivers don’t want to have points on their License due to going g 2 miles over the 20 mph limit while driving and looking for a House number to deliver a parcel, Its not worth it, We also have to ask Drivers to Volunteer to deliver in Wales its crazy, Wales Welsh Government is Insane.
It's when an ambulance,fire engine and police car are overtaken by a milk float answering an urgent 999 call you know you're in trouble.... Muppets..😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
All emergency services stuck in 20mph traffic bumper to bumper - the emergency services cannot get past - 20mph limit madness will result in a huge rise in deaths across the board.
The 20MPH is good for child safety and noise. Plus it only effects about 30% of roads. Woke Labour have destroyed Wales, no doubt in other ways. Drakeford is despised. Reform Party are not perfect but they are a step in the right direction. Although i do think the 20MPH was the only good idea Labour did introduce, they have done it for control reasons not safety reasons.
As far as safety is concerned, the biggest danger people face in crossing the road, is with wearing earphones or earbuds, totally oblivious to what's happening around them.
@@Cader-ce6bv I had one in Cwmbran at the weekend, weaving in and out of two lanes of traffic at 60mph, cars were doing around 35 to 40 - one organ donor in waiting that guy and no sympathy from when it happens.
The biggest cause of accidents in 30 zones are people speeding at 50 or 60mph, they are not going to slow down even if its 5mph limit
It's happening here in the UK, it's pretty much all over Cornwall 🤦.
France and Spain also................just another coincidence eh?
Have a look at the levels of debt that Welsh councils are carrying, mostly Labour run, and that will give you your answer.
What an advert for devolution.
Evolution = striving and moving forward
Devolution = going backward
Clue is in the name
Eight areas of Wales have now had the 20mph limit for over two years, I’ve yet to see any published data on how many lives/serious injuries have been saved due to the 20mph enforcement. All Wales bus route timetables have had to be altered, some have been axed. Wales is in reverse at Mark Drakeford’s preferred speed of 20mph. They might as well take down the Senydd protest website.
Labour has a significant majority in the Welsh Snedd and the 20mph will stay since they put it in and won't admit to the mistake. This shows the dangers of a political party that has too big a majority and it can simply ignore everyone. 😢
A pain in the ass of a country who won't get out of their beds, drive properly!
He agreed for it when it was first suggested 😅
Finally
Andrew supported this change at its inception, it’s just opportunism now.
Where I live the town centre is much safer at 20mph
Still plenty of 60mph roads.
I prefer my kids alive
No he supported at critical points, he has always maintained that
We've lived in Wales since 2011 but we've decided that in a few years we will sell the house and move use and our business (along with it's tax payments) back to England. The 20mph is bloody stupid which thankfully most people are ignoring but you always get stuck behind the one doing 15mph. It just ruins your day.
We used to often visit North Wales for a weekend, spending our money up there but haven't been up for ages now as it just takes far too long to get up there and the drive is just slow and stressful.
Other drivers ruin your day despite where you are in the UK but can imagine its worse in Wales, bet the labour voters are loving it, making way for 15 minute prisons
Getva grip. The traffic congestion levels in Wales are a fraction of England.
@@Yagdrol I guess that depends on where you are in England. Have you ever tried the M5 on a Friday afternoon? You're lucky to get to 20mph let alone the 50mph motorway speed limit
@@stequality To be fair to Labour voters, I doubt they knew they were voting for this. It was buried very deep in the labour manifesto and never mentioned prior to elections.
@@e.colemantlpss6406 The M5 has become a nightmare, very true.
It’s so hard to drive at 20mph not many do it there are some people who do it’s really frustrating cars are not designed to drive that slow