Radeon 6900xt VS RTX 3070 DLSS... Nvidia Fine Wine?!
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- Опубліковано 3 лют 2021
- Reviewing the Radeon Asus Tuf 6900XT vs the RTX 3070 BUT with DLSS enabled with the same settings. Turns out DLSS is Nvidia's Fine Wine technology... Consider Supporting Me On Patreon? / timmyjoe
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7:20 rtx 3700
14:04 3900
lol
@@randycooper4907 hahahah
this is such a big oof
His mind got mixed up with the 6900xt chill
Nvidia approves your editorial direction.
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I approve too
Ong though he really like yeah look guys at a lower res a budget card can get more fps than a high end card even though the high end card is at native res lol if you used fsr or dsr your gonna be way ahead.
MSI Trio RTX 3700!? My man is living in the future!
he even says later the 3900 haha i think he is having a hardcore brain fart lol ohh well it happens to the best of us ha.
😂 you stole my joke, 6090xt not doing very well
how about the 3900!
thats my gpu, msi x trio rtx 3070
Not a single game I've ever played in my life supports DLSS. Yeah, I sure care...
DLSS is turning 3 years old this september and game support is still ridiculously low to affect my hundreds euro purchase.
Especially being an nvidia only feature, more games won't put the effort into it when most of the sales will be consoles that can't support it
You should be rushing B cyka blyatt....
They should have held off on releasing next gen consoles? They literally can't keep them on shelves, lol. I think they're happy with how things are going.
they never had them on shelves, due to the pandemic. They were mostly poached by scalpers from the warehouses, or in some shipping warehouses, stolen.
yes as good as Series X and PS5 graphics are, they are already a full generation behind pc on release. Raytraced games on console barely hit 30fps or have to run at 1080p, mostly because there's no DLSS comparable feature from AMD yet. They really should have had that capability.
RTX 3080 for instance can max a game out and have full raytracing and still hit 60 fps at 4k with DLSS. By the time next gen consoles come out in 5-6yrs (I don't think these ones will last 7yrs again), we'll have graphics cards with over 100 Teraflops of graphical power, probably with over 100 gigarays of raytracing as well (talking RTX 6080 most likely)
or at the very least not give SONY and Microsoft access to your top die resources you planned for your own products (Ryzen, Radeon).
PS5 and XSX could have been built off a special 12nm die through Global Foundries, and freed TSMC to produce the Ryzen CPUs, APUs, and Radeon graphic cards.
The more I look at this it just seems like an insane business decision by AMD to do it how they did, which not only hurt the consumers that included all the PC enthusiasts, but as well as their business partners SONY & Microsoft with the supply strain. It's now hurt AMD's bottomline, letting Intel race back up and beat them in marketshare again.
@@PCGGC what did you expect, next gen consoles are only 500$🙃 you expected it to compare to pc.?
@@PCGGC to be fair though a lot of titles have a 30fps pretty mode and a 60fps performance mode.
So probably not as significant for console gamers.
A few are still happy with 30fps.
I prefer at least 60fps because dang it the baseline for nearly all monitors/tvs is 60hz.
The 6900xt is the best card on avg for games without dlss in 1080p,1440p, falling to the 3090 in 4k.
Now I may be wrong here but I think that most games DONT have dlss
Most games have DLSS atleast most new upcoming games. Of course 2 or 3 or 5 or 10 years old games will not have DLSS. So far all new AAA games got DLSS: The Medium, Cyberpunk 2077, Death Stranding, Watch Dogs Legion, Mount and Blade 2, CoD Cold War... So we can assume all new upcoming AAA games will get DLSS support. In my opinion AMD should act as fast as possible if they don't want lose the GPU war. Is scary what a jump we got in quality from DLSS 1.0 to 2.0 and if we get DLSS 3.0 befor AMD has a answer is over. The gab will be to large DLSS 2.1 already today looks awesome (is not perfect) is almost native resolution quality in some small cases is even better and reconstruct details native resolution had missing. Upscaling is clearly the future and AI is a huge part of the future aswell... We already see AI in self driving cars. In my opinion AMD should have a DLSS answer befor they even had a ray tracing answer. Nothing against Ray tracing but most people prefer DLSS over RT and I'm one of those people. The requirements for using RT are too high but DLSS is a feature I really want I don't want live without AI upscaling.
@@strohhuttv8848 Dlss is certainly more beneficial than raytracing, but most games aren't AAA releases. But it can be said that ai upscaling is the future
@@100_JAB For other game releases like indie games you don't need DLSS my 2060 Super can play most other non AAA titels like indie games or AA games at 4K 60fps+ or minimal 1440p 60+ fps all the time...
@@100_JAB I have nothing against AMD but I think they need have something like DLSS. I can play at 4K even if my GPU wasn't designed for that with DLSS. Even if I need lower my resolution because next gen graphics next gen games I can use upscaled 1440p or 1080p to make my GPU last longer. I don't need care buying a new GPU every 2 or 3 years I just use upscaling.
@@strohhuttv8848 "don't need" isn't an argument, I just go I do need more performance and the only way I'd get that performance is with amd
Timmy Joe, my man... I'm sorry, but you dropped the ball on this video. DLSS is awesome on the games it works on. Those are far and few between though. It's honestly not enough to sway my decision as things sit right now, IF I were in the market for a new card. I'm not, because there isn't a market right now. But say they were readily available to purchase at msrp, I'd probably still pick the AMD cards this time around. They beat/compete at all the price points they were intended to, the extra VRAM is always a good thing. I still don't care about ray tracing, DLSS isn't widely adopted yet so until it becomes a standard, it's still not something that will influence my decisions. The only game that DLSS 2.0 is on that was on my list is Cyberpunk, and it's such a hot mess right now that I refuse to spend my money on it. I feel like you're doing your viewers a bit of a disservice here, gotta give this one a thumbs down mate. Sorry. 🤷♂️
You summed up my feelings about this video perfectly. It's laughable and yea I know Timmy Joe isn't an Nvidia shill because I've watched a ton of his videos to know that but I am not surprised that some people are accusing him of that because if I stumbled on this channel today and this was the first video I seen I'd be thinking the same.
@@TerraWare Yeah, I know Timmy isn't an NVidia shill like some people are probably accusing him of. I'm not gonna hate on him for making the video, he has a point with it in that games that DO support DLSS, yeah that's your better route until AMD gets their version of the tech implemented. Look at all the other games though where the 3070 gets outperformed and sometimes downright clobbered by the whole 6000 series line-up. I just don't agree with the point of view in this video.
The whole fine wine argument is not the best either... Especially if RT will at some point really just work with new hardware these cards will be having a hard time. 3070 is the better value card, but that's because you're comparing flagship versus lower high/mid range card...
Cyberpunk is fine though. Hard to lose rumor. I played the earliest versions even and it was fine - not bug free but fine. Now it's mostly bug free as well. Don't play it on the PS4 obviously
YEAH 3700 I GET IT I FKED UP :) - as for fidelityfx, apparently it's coming to all RDNA cards. I really doubt that this feature will match DLSS in the first year or two. Maybe I'm wrong?! Hopefully
You also called the 3090 the 3900 there at the end.
rx 6090xt
thought you were talking about ivy bridge cpus at one point
Early onset dementia is rough.
@@Rock_Wilson It's common in gingers
Isn't this the same guy that claimed AMDs RDNA2 couldn't be better than a 3070? Come on now....i can't believe you're not being paid off.
3070 greater than the 6900XT?
Yeah dude you're definitely on something.
Yeah right!
That's exactly why every 3070 owners are trying to exchange theirs to a 3070
@@SP-df1nm huh, every 3070 owner trying to exchange to a 3070 lol. I'm a 3070 owner and looking at getting the 6900xt. Dlss is not the miracle I thought it was, dlss is blurry. Native still rains true
Couldn't help but notice that you used mostly NVIDIA sponsored games that typically perform far better on NVIDIA hardware
Nice to see you posting vids my guy thanks
Timmy Joe givin' us the new stuff and being extra on the intro! Haha loving it Timmy Joe keep it up. Always enjoy your content and sweet comparison w/ both cards. I have the same RTX 3070 MSI Gaming X Trio and i love it!
Well, someone wants a review sample from Nvidia xD
Lmao true
He sounds like a straight up Nvidia fanboy.
Amd gpu can't handle rtx on but dlss is huge game for nvidia 👌
@@nasseralraeesi6845 DLSS is still mostly a talking point...and anyone who bought a RTX 20 series card for it literally got robbed. Nvidia's day tracing is also not going to be the adopted gaming standard.
@@GSP-76 ray tracing depend on game because in some games make different and some not in the end anyone make choice about gpu 🌹
Putting the Patreon names at the end was a nice touch. You're very welcome!
he talks about future
proofness of a 8GB VRAM GPU hilarious xDDDDDDDDDDD
I'd say 8gb is what you wanna aim for as a minimum in 2021. Nvidia are stupid amd were smart to give all cards 16gb vram
I have a 2070 super and no way in hell would I buy a 3070 or even 3080 even at msrp cuz of that 10 gig. I see how much of 8 is used already. I can wait.
@@JudeTheUA-camPoopersubscribe yeah i have a 980 TI with 6, and it's far too little to crank the graphics up, I can't play anything triple AAA out this year at full graphics, at anything higher than 1080p.
@@ExarchGaming haven't yet even seen over 6gb on my gtx 1070
@@JudeTheUA-camPoopersubscribe play Doom ethernal it sucks over 10GB VRAM
i find in this video the image quality was better on the rx 6900 xt.
It better be for twice the price
because dlss is literally scaling low res textures in higher res formats.... this is not a correct comparison considering the 6900xt is out performing on simple rasterization the 3090 OC'd... it's a good card.. but if you like ray tracing then get an nvidia
@@miketyson6680 amd has something similer i think. Its called virtual resolution.
so timmy what is this RTX 3700?
He also says the 3900 at 14:04 haha
I'll be honest dlss is no different than upscaling in consoles. If you want console performance with upscaled resolutions than cool. Me personally I prefer a real resolution
The actual pixels say otherwise. 4k with dlss quality looks better than native, at least in cyberpunk. It's nowhere near the same as what the consoles do.
@@bobzdar i feel "better" is subjective. I personally prefer non DLSS resolutions
@@bobzdar the AI upscaling tends to antialias stuff too much but that's just my opinion
Yeah but my RTX 2060 Super can't do 4K in AAA games but with DLSS 2.1 I can do it even on my GPU what wasn't designed for that resolution. Although DLSS 4K isn't as good as native is CLOSE ENOUGH close enough that I can say: I don't care. Without DLSS I would need use native 1440p or maybe even native 1080p. In my opinion is DLSS 2.1 at 4K far superior, better looking over native 1440p or 1080p.
CAS Fidelity is the AMD IN game Scaling option if you wanted to compare the two cards in a more realistic feature for feature for upscaling. DLSS is likely still better but the methodology is a bit skewed. one had upscaling one didnt.
"DLSS is likely better". You are more than likely right by a mile.
Holy dislikes (edit) I guess I can see why the dislikes..
You gotta be smoking to choose a 3070 over a 6900 XT
You saw the numbers same as me. dlss gives the 3070 higher fps. I usually prefer amd but I got a 3060 ti instead. It goes brrr so whatever.
@@pf100andahalf yep while he didn't use the comparable feature on the AMD card called RIS - so he crippled the AMD card intentionally or not. This review is one of the worst I ever seen in my life.
Is it just me or is the capture quality on the 3070 sharper as well? there seems like a smokey overlay on the radeon capture footage?
its because of the nvencoder built into the gpu ("partnership" with obs for streaming/recording)
Hey Timmy, can you list the other specs of your test-computer? Thanks in advance. Keep up your good work.
Brah, 5 games. Then to say, I had a hard time finding games with DLSS, while also saying I think nearly all games in the next couple of years will have DLSS. Something does not seems right here. Show some none DLSS games next time.
Yeah he sounded like an idiot in this video...sounds more like he's salty that Nvidia doesn't care about him.
This comment didn't age well
Yeah, let's see how well the 8GB of VRAM settles as a "fine wine" in 5 years time.
While that is a valid point, NVIDIA is working on Resizable-BAR (AMD's smart access memory) Where actual RAM can be used to boost Vram limitations without as much hit. with just software updates I believe
(Faster asset swapping between Ram/vram)
I just hope amd dlss works with the 6000 series and is finished developing soon
@@danielberrett2179 resizable bar has NOTHING to do with VRAM limitations and problems, it only increases performance and that's it. It does not help with vram bottlenecks. That said, 8 GB is enough in the foreseeable future thanks to consoles only having 16 GB ram for everything including video and for the CPU.
"Doubt AMD is developing any sort of DLSS technology ... I think the hardware really needs to be there in order to do this... ".
Well that statement didn't age like fine wine... (AMD released RSR and developing FSR 2.0)
FSR is sad.
RX 6900XT laughs in FSR 2.0 rivaling with DLSS 2.0 without ANY tensor cores in 2022
Hmm im not sure on this one, what history taught us is that proprietary software is never universal and there will always be games that wont support dlss regardless how successful its going to be in the future. Also no one is going to choose between 3070 or 6900xt more likely its going to be rx 6800 vs rtx 3070. Also 8gb vram on 3070 doesnt sound like future proof at all. Overall this video raise few questions on 6900xt longevity regarding newest graphical settings but its very unrealistic scenario. I disagree on this one.
You're living under a rock, dlss support is included in unreal engine. With simple steps to get the access to use dlss in games. It will then be included in unity and more devs will improve their motion vectors to get rid of dlss artifacts
@@sheikhrayan9538 you have no clue. Including DLSS is never simple, it involves AI training on a super computer and shit, various steps, it's not just "happening" like you described. Every game needs these steps before it can have DLSS, the engine alone doesn't provide DLSS support.
DLSS = Doesn't Look So Sharp, I'll never turn that shit on (and games I play don't support it like 99.99% of other games)
DLSS 2.0 is better
Clearly you don't know what you're talking about. DLSS 2.0 set to quality is usually better looking than native resolution. Worst case scenario it's similar with a nice gain to performance. DLSS original version I agree was hit or miss. Only really good implementation of the original was Tomb Raider.
@@MrDutch1e it's not better looking than native but it looks pretty comparable.
@@eazen I mean there are games that looks better but thats because in a bunch of games Nvidia had the dev put in an absolute garbage anti aliasing implementation if you aren't using dlss. Control says it uses MSAA if I remember correctly and its clearly just a trash version of fxaa. Only way I could get it to look half decent was using DLSS, turning aa off completely or forcing aa via nvcp or Radeon settings or mods. It's honestly pretty shitty. They did a similar thing with tomb raider where the game looked completely washed out without either dlss or rt. Can't remember which it was exactly. Been a long time since I played it.
@@MrDutch1e dude, MSAA is the highest and most performance consuming "AA" there is (aside from SSAA). Thats also why it is departing from games, barely any new game has it. MSAA has one downside though, it can only sharpen textures, not everything. That's why I use MSAA and FXAA in GTA 5. DLSS is not working well with MSAA btw, I heard the performance tanks too hard.
Anyway, I long used 1440p native then I got a new GPU and used DLSS quality and I didn't see a difference. I can only say it is comparable. It is certainly not better
I owned a TUF3070 and then changed to red devil 6900xt, you may notice that in some games the DLSS bring down the quality a lot, but not in very new games like 2077, the 6900xt performs very well in normal games and I'm more likely to play new "big" games on the console
Would you recommend the 6900xt over 3070?
IDK, somewhat disagree about the 'fine wine'. Only about 20 games support dlss so far. We're talking a few years.... by then I'd expect Microsoft has their AI based 'upscaling' and for AMD to improve their software. Also... not forgetting AMD's 'GENERIC' upscaling software, currently is pretty good. (better than dlss1?) Hard to predict the future, but I wouldn't be surprised if the 'realtime upscale wars' was won by 'GENERIC' compatibility. If it's even 'won' at all.
True it is better than DLSS 1.0 - HUB made a video on it.
Yea... Definitely feel like I'm "In a Mirror Darkly" these days....
On a different note, I dunno...I feel this one it's hard to call. I just think the RTX's 3070 8GB graphics buffer could prove to be a serious limitation for 3 years time, never mind 5 years even with DLSS 2.0. But I do agree with you, the Nvidia lineup has the better chance of aging better given it has the necessary working features right now. But I can't help but feel that this generation of GPU's will not age well.
But funny how times change as in the early 2000's both AMD and Nvidia did tricks that resulted in barely noticeable reduction in graphics quality to try and gain an advantage over the other. People where not happy about it. My oh my how 20 years can change that. :-)
I've really enjoyed my EVGA 3070 card so far. It obviously isn't quite as good as the 3080 my brother got, but I went from a 1070 to the 3070. The only real issue I have is that Nvidia should have put more vram on the 3070.
What type of FPS do you get in Modern warfare 1440p high settings
Even thought I really liked my 3070 Ventus 3x OC, I wanted to upgrade to a Samsung odyssey G9, and the 8GB just wasn’t keeping up with all the extra work at 5120x1440p almost every game started getting a little past the 8 and that’s when it became unstable, so decided to go for the 6900x and don’t regret a thing, yes DLSS is a great tool, but I’ll rather just have the Raw power and capacity to deal with high end peripherals and games.
It is cool to see a different perspective on this.
OF course, the DLSS advantage only is applicable to some games. Older games that don't use this technology will run better on AMD hardware. I think this is more a case of performance parity for now. Gamers will need to figure out what GPU is best for them.
Timmy, i see your intro, i love it. It was well worth the hard work to make. You are fantastic!
DLSS 2.0 still looks like shimering/artifact/glitching trash.... No thank you
Nothing wrong with it on my rig with 3070 @5ghz. You must have pc issues
Says the AMD fanboy that doesn't own an Nvidia card LOL.
@@giannisantoe8567 nice try LOL I probably own 2-3x Nvidia products than you.
I like the card , but DLSS2.0 is pure trash... Any upscaling is trash. AMD's upcoming super resolution will most likely be trash.
Maybe your just too much of a noob/nvidia NPC to notice what image quality is.
@@topbanana4013 3070 @ 5ghz... I call BS on that unless you run your GPU on liquid nitrogen 24/7 which is impossible
@@marcgallant5270 CPU SPEED now unlike you're own liked comment lol
No SAM for the poor 6900XT? Ray Tracing - not ready, not in everything, differentiator without a distinction, DLSS - interesting tech, a compromise without a distinction, not in everything, fidelity isn't quite there yet. NVENC - not everyone needs or uses it. I would say that you shouldn't spend extra for features that you don't or won't use at the moment.
Very shortsighted for someone name Smart LOL. So if you don't use your car's AC in the winter, does that mean you don't need AC for you car?
@@krizby87 That's a very poor analogy. Most newer cars already come with AC anyway. Before that I just cracked the window and sunroof. And you're saying everyone who buys an AMD card is shortsighted. What I was saying was it's better to buy a GPU that has the features you need and not fall for marketing BS because there is always a newer better GPU on the horizon anyway.
@@maxwellsmart3156 How do you know what features you really need LOL.
Just be open minded for once and try out the new features before making verdicts can you.
And RTX3000 and RX6000 have almost the same price to performance, you are not paying any extra.
It's like you are paying the same money for a AC-less car instead of a fully decked out one.
@@krizby87 The question is why you don't know what features you're going to use? And why you think everyone's got extra cash laying around to buy more than they can afford or want to spend.
Now you're being silly if you conflate open-mindedness to being prudent. You're the one who thinks people should buy an RTX 3090 because that's the only card that can play Cyberpunk 2077 @ 4K reasonably. Now that's being narrow minded with maximum blinkers.
@@maxwellsmart3156 LOL the only thing you have against RT and DLSS is because Nvidia make them, that's just blind fanboyism.
Tesla integrate a whole bunch of new techs into their cars that revolutionize the car industry. Do you think buyers know every feature they want on a Tesla before they bought the car?
Now to make informed purchase you have to rely on tech reviewers, and yet AMD fanboys are butt hurt because reviewers openly praise Nvidia's tech.
Slamming new tech for not being mainstream is just the worst excuse ever. Do you think the IPhone 1 instantly became mainstream phone when it released? or Tesla car just became mainstream overnight LOL. The modern world revolve around innovations, yet you are blind to it due to your fanboyism.
So what if I have an 3090, I also have a 2080 Ti, 2060Super and a 2070 Super Laptop, all of which are way more future proof than RDNA1 and RDNA2 GPUs.
What the hell is a 4090 and what the hell is a RTX 3700?!
Obviously I love you man, but I really feel like this video missed the mark a bit. ** This is the video Nvidia wishes HW Unboxed would make. **
agreed
He's right tho
He's right... nvidia is 100% better value because of the features, if you deny it, ok, but you're delusional.
@@adriancioroianu1704 for now... We still don't know how amds version will work and if it's competitive this entire conversation will be moot
@@sthxdnn1 They literally just announced yesterday that Super resolution is -quote- "not ready yet" while nvidia has DLSS for all and decent rt @ high end gpu's for 2 years, not counting end of 2017 and 2018. Also nvenc is amazing.
So its pretty safe to say there is no reason to buy rdna2 at same prices if you're looking for value.
sat here wondering the last time Nvidia doubled its performance in one generation. " unfortunately its not as good as I hoped" seriously?
If there is a DLSS comparable software/technology supported by AMD, they could potentially crush nvidia. But as it stands, I feel like many many gaming companies are going to look into the technology, being able to pack their game with much more fidelity, or less optimization.
Ok, which one has better image quality? Dlss works well at 4k, but 1440p and specially 1080p looks pretty blurry
Not really. In Nioh 2 on 1080p and DLSS on Quality looks near 4k but much faster. Also the same in Cyberpunk, but the it costs Power.
I mean... isn't fidelity fx super resolution coming out for AMD this year (amd's dlss)
ended up not being anything like dlss
@@bruceludlow1326 I wouldn't expect it to be just like dlss but I would describe it as a dlss competitor for sure
Timmy I love ya but this is not greatest test papa linus just compared a 6900xt at 8k versus a 3090 at 8k the 6900xt beat the 3090 in a few titles had better frame times at high resolutions and used 100 watts less doing it. DLSS is nice and AMD is coming out with technology like DLSS called DirectML-powered Super Resolution. also your talking about a 6900xt did you forget about the 6800xt the 6800 and the 6700? the 6700 is already looking like its a better deal than the 3070. Personally I will be buying a 3090 for mining and 4K gaming but I don't agree with your overall conclusion.
Thanks for the video, I agree with what you said in your video, I'm always rooting for AMD, had an RX 580 (never getting rid of it even if i upgraded, its a great gpu) been using Ryzen processors for years now and historically mostly purchased AMD GPUs , but Nvidia's offering seems to be stronger in the GPU space for now, I'm waiting until GPU's get in stock and waiting until a high end model like the 3080 with more VRAM (but not at the ridiculous price of the 3090) comes out to replace my 2070 super.
If it had more than 8gb of Vram I would probably settle for a 3070 but I still kinda want a 3080 if I could get one.
Im interested to see what developers will do with amd tcr. (Their version of dlss that supports everything including old nvidia cards)
Hi! did u have coil whine with rx 6900 xt thuf? thanks !
Oh man i forgot kenny Rodgers passed last year....
Amd dlss equivalent is fidelity fix supper resolution Timmy Jensen. Usually like your content but this isn’t one of the videos I agree with. Only thing missing from the video is a leather jacket.
They are not the same. Super Resolution is not AI based. AMD doesn't have the necessary AI technology it's going to an inferior way to upscale games it's going to be similar with LG monitors Super+ Resolution feature. The idea of Super Resolution already exists by LG way before AMD tries to do the same with their cards
all kinds of editing errors here lol
That Star Trek Reference was understandable!
I've never heard of an RTX 3700. LOL
Whatever happened to PC gamers? For years we have been shouting about PC's have better graphics, has better IQ, has better resolutions. We all made fun of console games using dynamic resolutions or chequerboard rendering techniques to try and claw and cling to that "4K" resolution.... and now Nvidia bring use DLSS which requires bespoke additional hardware built onto the chip in order to work, which is basically cheating and suddenly its "fine wine" and its amazing... blah blah blah. Using DLSS and comparing it to an AMD card is literally not even a far comparison, you are NOT running the game at native resolutions and therefore you are giving an unfair comparison. And this isn't coming from an AMD fanboy I own both an Nvidia 3070 and a 6800XT and the 6800XT is by far the better GPU, its not even close. DLSS to my eye (1.0 or even 2.0) looks blurry and has a lot of "halo" effects. Cyberpunk especially looks horrendous with DLSS enabled at any setting.
You consistently got names of GPU's wrong in this video too, it seems you are slacking Tim and I really like your videos. You also completely skip over the fact that AMD has DOUBLED their performance from their previous generation, in one year! Nvidia have given us what? 20-30% increase? With bespoke hardware to cheat? AMD has released a GPU architecture that is 100% faster than the 5700XT and doesn't use any form of cheating in order to get the performance it gets.
Hows it cheating exactly? Having extra features isn't cheating. In some games like Control it actually ends up looking better than native so tough shit for AMD. Stop shilling.
Seems to me you're just making shit up. Double performance increase over 5700xt? With fucking what? 6800 is 30-40% faster and is in a completely different price bracket.
@@Sondisberg DLSS is lowering the res.. its cheating.
@@sidewinder86ify The fuck does it matter I don't understand? It doesn't even look noticeable unless you zoom in 800% and move around while also giving an fps boost. Only ones being cheated are AMD shills saying this nonsense.
@@roymarr6181 So "you're wrong just google it bro" is your argument? I don't give a fuck how it works. We're not talking about how it works its the end result that matters and there are no refs here to decide what's cheating or not because this isn't a football game.
@@roymarr6181 Because it doesn't matter what's "fair" or not it's part of the package. At native they're identical to each other all the other features included are what sets it apart. If AMD wants to make it fair they should create their own dlss, NVENC, and improve raytracing.
EPIC intro, freaked me out.
Sooo, you are saying that AMD should do low end cards only? If so then we will see Nvidia triple the prices. Only thanks to AMD being this competitive, forced Nvidia to launch this 499 card that is as fast as 1200 card before (RTX 2080Ti).
I tought you were smarter than this....
@Whitout1 How about AMD just create their own version of DLSS.
AMD can't compete at their current prices. In no universe should the 6900 xt cost more than a 3080. It barely beats it in rasterization in most games, (average difference is like 5-7% in favor for 6900 XT, but it also loses in some games) IT doesn't have a DLSS equivalent, and sucks at ray tracing. 6900 XT should be priced same as RTX 3080, the 6800 XT should not even exist, and 6800 should be the same price as 3070. The RTX 3090 should be off playing with itself all alone which it basically already is.
@@James-qu6ul you have no clue about chip production costs then. 6900 XT is a full chip, not even the extremely overpriced 3090 gives you the full thing. And comparing performance alone without any bias the 6900 XT is barely fast enough to sustain that price, about 1000-1100$ but not anything more than that. Scalpers be doomed
@@eazen I was referring only to price and performance. In a world that makes sense, the 6900 xt (or something that performs equal to it) would be about the same price as the 3080 for the reasons I stated already. A 6900 XT costing significantly more than a 3080, when it only beats by an average of about 5% in standard rasterization, gets killed in ray tracing, and does not have DLSS or an equivalent, makes ZERO sense.
@@James-qu6ul and I'm telling you you're wrong because it is a expensive fully activated 7nm chip. Nvidia wants almost 100% more for the *nearly* activated GA102 chip.
Anyway, it is a flagship product and you can simply ignore it, it's for people with too much money, everyone else can buy the 6800 XT.
Conclusion: Nvidia beats AMD in 5 Nvidia dlss games. Good job Timmy...
Blind test of 20 people so far, dynamic resolution vs DLSS in 4K. In One of the supposedly best DLSS games (control)
19 people prefer the gaming experience of dynamic resolution over DLSS.
I was very hyped about DLSS, super disappointed when getting my rtx 2080, especially 1.0 but 2.0 is still out handled by simple measures.
Sharper when standing still, glitchy when actually playing the game.
"where it counts" common Timmy
Which DLSS setting was used for Cyberpunk?
How do the 1440p elitists feel running 1080p with dlss. That's the real question.
not have to worry since no game in my game librairie support it lol :P anyways those fps number are more meme thing from my point of view i get 25-30 ms server ping on lucky early morning gaming session or late night when server are full get worst what ever fps your game run at.From elistists point of view buy nothing until the market have finish feeding console first place than you have better offering not like whitout peak of etherium craze and cripto bubbulle price would not be better on team green or red let enterprise eat supply at worst in two years you have plenty used option whit more agressive offering since supply drr6 will have mature.
I am an AMD fan. I picked up a 3070. DLSS is amazing. I play at 1440p.
There are only Ultra settings with DLSS elitists vs Low Setings
@@scottbirkinshaw2009 8gb VRAM on a high end gpu in 2021 HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
@@pccoldwar9160 by the time you get round to buying 3000 or 6000 series cards prices would have gone up.
I just bought a 6800XT, because I believe in AMD and it was the only one in stock - also I need VRAM for video editing, so this is actually, times considered, a sweet deal
video editing without CUDA? Hmm good luck.
Some videos age like a fine vine. This one turned into vinegar.
Timmy Joe PC Tech : DLSS 1.0 and DLSS 2.0 make graphic look mooshy as soon as the movement of textures starts in any game. Any properly experienced gamer with a averagely trained ey can confirm that.
Control = uses a Quantum Break 2016 game engine which is a 2011 derived game engine = which makes it a useless game for "next" gen describing of modern games = which is why it works on an older architecture like Nvidia GPU-s still have
Cyberpunk 2077 = is based on the engine developed in 2010/2011 and was finished in 2014/2015 = also an old and an invalid game for modern testing
Wolfenstein Youngblood = also a game based on an old derivated ID engine used in Rage 1 = but looks crystal and has crystal textures and uses a MODERN API called Vulcan API (=AMD-s Mantle API)
Shadow Of The Tomb Raider = uses a derivative of the Tomb Raider 2013 engine = makes also almost useless for modern age GPU gen (also DLSS 1.0 only "enhances" shadows which were completely equally super when normally rasterized and thus an unnecessary to be crap trayced)
Yeah... Fsr is out, and although it's not much compared to dlss, you can now get lossless scaling which can be applied to any game. My 6900xt scored 23k in timespy which is not even that great, other models are out scoring 25-26k. Got this card for $1.2k so.....
that star trek reference... awesome
Had both 3080 and 6900xt. Sold the 3080 and kept the 6900xt. Faster 1080p than my 3080 in games that I play and better frame times over all. Oh and Radeon imagine sharpening looks amazing. That’s just in my case with my set up. Your mileage may vary.
You spent that much money for 1080p? lol.. Good thing you can now get 320 fps instead of 305. Very useful.
Sorry but i just facepalmed very hard at the "i got the one thousand dolar card to play at 1080p"
@@josejuanandrade4439 That's the beauty of PC gaming. You can spec your build around your preferences.
Seems legit. 1080p, - should have gotten 7950 as it is more suitable for that resolution and the number is higher 7950>6900. Wait.. Perhaps you are one of that rare breed, that spots the difference between 239 and 240 Hz
@@josejuanandrade4439 if he is a competitive player it is okay. Or if he wants to use RT and Ultra settings
6800xt is a better comparison. It's 90% of the 6900xt for 70% pf the price.
Betting on widespread DLSS implementation is a losing bet since we have the cards NOW (sort of) and limited DLSS (as you eluded to).
It's been extremely hard to find the RTX 3700 eh Timmy Joe ;)
From watching your own video it really felt like you were biased tbh. Fortnite for example your footage showed over double the lows for AMD as well as much higher fps labeled as 'similar' performance just came off very disingenuous. As well as your admittance to picking Nvidia everytime. Not to mention DLSS does not look as good as the same fps in native. I've been using an EVGA FTW 1080TI for years now and love it. I'd say the Nvidia features are very nice and handy to have but not at the pricepoints we are seeing. Many of the most popular games that exist are also not AAA titles and don't have DLSS so this is also as you stated a moot point.
wow , so now you re just like most of the youtubers i don't like , .. ok bye not interested anymore ... thanks for the deleted message, that makes things clear
Deleted message?
He doesn't delete messages.
Get off meth man ur seeing shit
Obviously I'm not seeing what I'm supposed to be seeing, in this case
yeah i confirm he didn't like i spoke about a "troll video" certainly, message "disappeared" ... i think something is not ok to have to do that sort of video propaganda for nvidia, juste before we see results of RT in wow for example ... bad timing
Meh, I have both cards. My 3070 isn't going back in my rig after having the 6800 xt in it. AMD's FSR tech is out and will surely improve as time goes on. Its cheaper and easier to implement, so I can see it being used in more titles than DLSS in the future.
I really enjoyed this video. I think this content is what will keep me coming back. Real World straight talk.
How about you enable super resolution on the 6900xt ?
Its not out
@@chriswright8074 i meant Radeon Boost
TUF 6900xt in the UK is currently in stock for a crazy £1399.98 (Inc vat 20%).
I'll sell you mine for 1398.99
@@LawrenceTimme I had a sapphire MBA for £1199.99 from ocuk but sent to back as the box arrived in poor condition. How you getting on with your cards? I've got my block flushed out and ready for fitting, just need a card to fit it too now.
@@25MHzisbest lol you sent it back cos the box was in bad condition XD rip. Mine is going well
@@LawrenceTimme Think I'll just wait it out for an AMD drop now. Got the kids series x to have a odd game on and slum it on my daily (Ryzen 3600, Rx 550) for the time been.
mind to explain me why my 6800xt give me 144.7 average framerate in control @1440p max settings RT off ?
He's probably filmed this a while before optimisations started rolling out.
@@amirpourghoureiyan1637 i Guess so i had 3080 before, at my experience 6800 XT crushes 3080 @ 1440p, can't say about 4k.
However everyone says dlss is a must, dlss is a crap, same thing as high or even médium settings looks better than dlss...
@@brunoalves8783 it's for those same reasons that I think AMD's offerings will last longer, I disagree with TJ as VRAM tends to be the most important factor in longevity of a GPU - features like RT and DLSS will become outdated and older GPUs most likely will be unsupported with newer versions.
At least with AMD I can trust that they're not gong to replace my card immediately with a 'Super' variant like Nvidia does, I'd hate to spend 700 on a card and have it be made obsolete 6 months down the line.
@@amirpourghoureiyan1637 well, friends with AMD rx 480 still receive updates... Also against what most of people say, AMD drivers are better than NVIDIA's nowdays, and also cards dont get hot anymore, mine never pass 65C.
This is same thing as ryzen was, it was already the best buy but UA-cam was full of videos saying the other way around..
@@brunoalves8783 As long as the price is right, most cards from AMD right now will get you a better gaming experience for longer. People are asking what the 6900XT is for, it is for those people who buy 2080Tis for playing e-sports titles - it doesn't make sense when you look at the requirements, but at 1080p and 1440p - RDNA2 scales a lot better than Ampere.
PC owners are a lot like car owners, some are like Lamborghini buyers who want the most expensive one and will change it every year, while others are like 'hatchback' buyers and want what's going to last them a long time in regards to reliability and support.
Grab your food grab your gun and generator, war is coming. Wait ....
Did u get amds latest drivers?
It doesn’t really make a difference. The RTX and DLSS stomp them all.
@@austinr09 DLSS is upscale fake res? I remember last time nVidia tried this crap.. and boy..people got mad! I think it was back in 2011.. People saw big differents between picture quality AMD VS nVidia.. and it really did leave its mark.. but today its got a named aka ''DLSS'' and people are buying the crap..
@@sidewinder86ify Maybe you havent realized but its not 2011 anymore and they use Machine learning for it now. Theres a reason all the new AAA games have DLSS and ray tracing. Its going to be in every new game from here on out, and it will allow much older GPUs to play new games for many years.
That typo was for more comments... Lol get those interactions!
At native resolution the 6000 series holds its own. We'll see what their resampling technology looks like. They really should have had that ready for launch, but it should come out in a new driver update soon.
But really, all we've learned is that if you render a game at a lower resolution, you get better framerate. Neither of these cards is a bad option, well, paying $2500 CDN for a 6900XT is a bad option, but that's the market we live in right now.
Remember the amd driver updates... The rx 580 was an 1060 competitor at launch but now it outperforms the 1070... Maybe the same thing will happen to 6900xt. If that happens and if they also implement dlss it would be a way better option in a few years
the RX580 does not out perform the 1070 so you are wrong my guy
What? You mean that a card outputs a higher fps when it's rendering a lower resolution!?
Nvidia: Hey guys, we came up with this new, really cool way to process anti aliasing! It's really cool. We use predictive algorithms to enhance image quality!
Gamers: iF iT iSnT rAsTeR pErFoRmAnCe ThEn It DoEsNt CoUnT.
If you cant tell the difference, does it matter?
@@paulemillevasseur7622 oh no it absolutely counts but it's pretty unfair comparing a cards 1080p frame rate to another card's 1440p frame rate. It isn't rendering the same resolution so yeah no shit. And in brighter games you can tell the difference it just presents itself in ways other than blockiness. Image noise, artifacts in reflections and other telltale signs can be hard to miss
@@lastchapter5928 Reports on DLSS 2.0 is that it is virtually indistinguishable from 'native resolution'. DLSS is a new technology but it is part of the architecture of the new card. The point of the video is that gaming technology is moving beyond pure rasterization into the future. NVidia developed DLSS to allow GPUs to more easily render game environments at extreme resolutions.
You are basically arguing that we should compare a naturally aspirated engine with a turbo by turning off the turbo.
Based on my reasoning, you could say that we still need to wait to see how well AMD's new cards handle AI assisted anti aliasing as well, since they plan to support that technology in the future.
@@paulemillevasseur7622 Thats an inaccuracy. I am stating that we should compare a naturally aspirated engine vs a turbo by not making the naturally aspirated one drive flat terrain while the turbo is on a steep hill headed downwards. DLSS 2.0 is applicable in, what, like 30 titles so far? And how many of those are going to peg out at 144hz 1440p max settings with an rtx 30 series anyway ?
I've also been able to handle more than a few RTX cards and I can assure you that when using DLSS 2.0 the noise generated by it is quite noticeable when different textures overtake a part of the screen when running 1440p. I've heard that 2.1 helped with this but that doesn't change the fact that you have to pick and choose specific games that benefit the card in order to capitalize on DLSS. Traditional rasterization is getting old don't get me wrong but as of right now it is still the best way by which we can measure raw GPU performance.
3070 for $499 would be nice
No shit I just paid 1,269 US for the asus 3070 it's because nvidia has proxy stores on Amazon and eBay
@@stevencharette7918 u just paid a scalper bruh
@@probablyanadult7354 yeah someone got paid lol big hit in the wallet with this monster card im having just one issue though, coming from a MSI GT63 with a 1080, ahh im only really getting like 15 more fps on this card im not impressed lol ah well the card is for sure over built
Additionally the msrps that were previously on the table have been thrown out the window and will never come back. There is absolutely no reason they will ever discount them back down to original pricing. One look at eBay will show the second hand Market cannot nearly supply enough used graphics cards
There was a lot of talk about DLSS 3.0 in mid 2020 but it was not released and I have not heard anything lately.
so u would choose the 3070 8gb over the 6900 16gb just to play 5 games? common...
Tim is a n'vidia fanboy ?
"just to play 5 games" I guess you conveniently forgot about the $500 difference... nice strawman though
@@ia3630 he only has 5 games that support dlss, so my comment was just adressing this strange riddle. nothing else, ok?
which would you suggest if 3070 and 6800 are at the same price?
3070. The features make the 6800 look not so good vs the 3070.
I actually happen to own both cards a 6900 xt and a 3070 one for my rig and the other for my wifes. I'm gonna say that in a lot of rasterizing titles and higher resolutions the 6900 xt smokes the 3070. I do notice blurry images while using DLSS I prefer a cleaner image since I game at 3440x1440. AMD needs to have there super resolution out this year in order to compete with Nvidia and I think they need to clean up there driver support. With RDNA in both consoles I can see the 6 series improving and maybe having an advantage in future titles. I will tell you that the 6900 xt was not worth the 1100$ that I spent on it I even sold my rtx 3080 to a friend to be honest in which I regret that I didn't keep that card because I don't think I've gained anything through it.
Simply use RIS until the DLSS for AMD is released. Nothing to worry about
Thanks for this comment. I currently have a 3070 and a 6900xt on the way, and I've been debating whether to keep the 3070 or the 6900 xt. Coincidentally, I also game at 3440x1440, so your comment was on the nose. I'm leaning towards going with the 6900 xt for its raw performance. 3440x1440 is closer to 4k, so I'm hoping for a 25%-40% improvement over the 3070.
@@andrewwhisnand7093 the 3070 is a straight scam with those 8 GB. The fact that the 3060 has 50% more vram should tell you that not even nvidia is believing their own lies anymore*. The same more or less goes for the 3080 if you're playing on 4K.
*nvidia back then said in PR papers that 8 GB are totally fine. Now suddenly the low end modell has 12 GB. Not really fine anymore, huh. Straight trash.
I wouldn't even buy it for 550-600 bucks let alone 1000 they want now for that shit. Glad I got a used 2080 Ti a few months back. Better than any of the new shit.
I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing super weird performance issues with fortnite with a high end card. I get a lot of frame dips with a 9900k and a 3090
my last year or two of nvidia drivers had more bugs than the big navi drivers
thank you for including Bill Withers.
The reason the Xbox and Playstation launched around the same time as Big Navi is because it would be extremely bad PR for AMDs Radeon division to have consoles with AMD hardware that support Ray-Tracing but not AMD GPUs and Big Navi simply wasn't ready in 2019. Its also not up to AMD as to when the PS5 and Xbox launched, obviously thats up to Microsoft and Sony. AMD will make more money from providing chips consoles than selling CPUs/GPUs to DIY PC builders so pioratizing the provision of console chips is just buisness. While DLSS 2.0 is an impressive feature it has limitations. Its only really useful at higher resolutions (1440p/4K), at 1080p its degrades the image quality too much in most games at this point imo. Its also still only available on a relatively small number of games, same will Ray-Tracing. Nvidia cards do have better features and considering how Big Navi cards are selling way over MSRP they are also better value right now, the downside however is the lack of VRAM, not much of an issue right now but that might change in the next few years. Overall Ampere is a better option than Big Navi right now but not by much if prices normalize, thats a big IF though 😕. Simply writing Big Navi off especially for the reasons given in this video is kinda stupid to be honest.
A lot of typos and comparing DLSS ON at Nvidia vs AMD not even using RIS - either you're not well informed when it comes to AMD tech, or you're biased against Radeon, either way your comparison sucks. Then this cringey intro with "5900XT" nonsense. Dude this is RDNA 2, it's a new architecture, you're not making any sense and you're not very funny either.
I enjoyed the other videos you put out lately but this one sucks hard. You made it clear in the past that you hate Radeon anyway, remember the video, you said Big Navi will be a fail and I told you you're wrong? Yeah, you're absolutely wrong. I could do this job better. Jay is also strange when it comes to AMD and I deleted him for good, I hate biased or unfair hardware techies, hate is a strong word - they're a waste of time and getting on my nerves.
haha fanboying amd? calm down i bet you don't have any of these
@@XXXSherazWizzerXXX how is him not having either card, relevant to him sharing his opinion?
@@XXXSherazWizzerXXX I'm only a fanboy of technology, imagine.
Good to see you explaining your thoughts and perspective thoughout this video, good conparision, but without including variables than its hard to compare these in a fairway, dlss and raytracing nvidia wise will always be ahead, lets hope amd can close the gap with new tech features in the years to come!
Let's wait a bit. AMD will get better with Raytracing. Also FSR will do better in the future I guess and it's open source. And FSR is already good for now. Yeah, DLSS do often a bit better, but is much more complicated to implement in a game. So I don't think so, that Nvidia always goes faster on these techniques. I love my MSI RX6900 XT and I can use Freesync, because my 5 year old 4K 60fps monitor already got these and it cost only 450€. AMD did a great job in the last years and their techniques are much more user friendly and cheaper.
This guy took the bribery money from Nvidia PR. 😂
Did he just say that Fortnite on 1440p max with ray tracing and dlss and he's getting 200fps with a 3070?? no way its that high
can you do a new video of this since amd fsr has came out i think youll change your mind bout rx 6900xt
Should I keep my Strix 2080ti ,if I can find a rtx 3700 /or 3800 thanks
3070 and 2080Ti have almost the same peformance. 2080Ti actually has more VRAM so there is no point to buy a 3070
I would like to buy a new card but I can not find one with out the price so hard.