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Why Springfield Armory Discontinued the XD-E
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- Опубліковано 20 січ 2022
- Last month, Springfield Armory discontinued the XD-E -- just three and a half years after its release. As the only small single stack 9mm on the market that's DA/SA, it filled an important niche. So why did it fail? We don't know for sure, but we've got some pretty good guesses.
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As a DaSa hammer fired shooter, it breaks my heart to hear Springfield discontinued the xde. We don’t need more plastic striker guns! I think that was their only DASA handgun too.
Sorry to hear it’s being discontinued.. As soon as the XDE came in a 45 acp, I bought one. Couldn’t be happier with it.. It shoots like a dream.. will devour any 45’s you put through it.. It has great sights, conceals well. For a hammer fired handgun, Springfield did a nice job! Can’t compare to any other striker fired guns out there.. This XDE stands alone very well. Too bad more people did not go out and shoot this gun. Gun manufacturers can’t please everyone.. Thanks for the video👍
I’ve owned an XD-E 45 for over five years, and I totally agree with you!
At least it's easy to cough up even when u got a jammed ammo
The really sad thing about this is these were very easy to rack for those with arthritis or low hand strength. Before the Shield EZ came along this was the only option that was easy to rack that wasn't a SA 1911-style .380. The 9mm was SO smooth too!! Anyone still selling leftover stock online? I remember seeing 9mm XDE's for $350 and $399 a lot in the months before Rona kicked off.
Walther CCP is extraordinarily easy to rack
Yep
I’ve heard beretta 92 compacts are easy to rack
I made a huge error when I sold my pair of Para Carry 9s.
The Witness Pavona had been trying that for years. Maybe they should have made the XDE flecked purple.
Let me say I have owned one as my EDC for several years and put many shots down range without a single issue. My wife loves it as well. It’s been a great gun. Sorry to hear they are discontinuing it. I better load up on a few additional magazines. I can see why they discontinued it though just by the 300+ comments so far on this thread. Most have never shot one and have listened to what they have read and not given it a chance.
yup
Nah , the xds is still in production and they share.magazines
springfield is an anti 2a pos company. buy m&p shield for this form factor
@@cagneybillingsley2165 Yes they have made mistakes and it pissed me off as well but that doesn't mean they can't learn from their mistakes and not let that happen again. I think they learned a huge lesson from that and I'm sure lost substantial business over it but that doesn't mean they should be banished as fact is they make some really nice shooting guns at decent prices.
Yea I love mines holds 8+1 and shoots very smooth love it
I think you nailed it. I thought the gun was a cool idea, but I didn't buy 1, and not enough people bought them to keep sales at a reasonable volume. A Beretta Cheetah styled/sized 9mm. YES! I'd buy one
It would require a locking system, and the Walther p38 locking system takes too much room to do properly in a thin slide. It could be possible to squeeze it in there, but they might have to expose the locking lugs, and that's asking for major problems. If they did a tilting barrel system, it wouldn't be a cheetah. Dasa usually soaks up quite a bit of room in the hammer mechanism, so getting a true micro compact dasa is very difficult to get done right. The xde is the same size as a g19, and therefore is a compact handgun. Which goes to show how hard it is to squeeze all of these features we want in something so small.
I agree. I am quite happy with my Mak with Hornady CriticalDefense. Hard to find a 9mm that small with a decent grip. Much less a Da/Sa...
@@otterconnor942 The best way in a Chetah style handgun would be to lock up like a Sig. The chamber end of the barrel locks into the slide and tilts to open
I would settle for a Cheetah just as they were made. Ain't nothing wrong with modern 380, and I bet the 32acp version is a hoot at the range.
@@Daekar3 I bought a 32 ACP Beretta Cheetah 3 years ago at Gander Outdoors for $199.99. It's in 98% condition and what a great shooter. Super soft recoil (Just barely more than 22) and very accurate. I love shooting it.
I'm on board with that DA/SA wish list. If CZ made a slimline Rami with front Pic rail and optics cut, it would fly off store shelves.
Agreed
My dream gun
Agreed!
Here is to hoping that S&W diversifies the CSX with a DA/SA version. That would probably be an instant win for the niche.
I was talking with a SW rep I know and told him that if they made it DA/SA I'd buy one today, if they made it in .45 I'd get that too!
Or anything else that the community wants like optic ready platforms
Just don't put a manual safety or grip safety on it.
Sig seems to have the system down. Would think they could deliver a great DA/SA platform that is relatively small....
@@ronragan5070 The P239 was a winner for the time. Now, not so much. We need a DA/SA version of P365 with classic Sig controls.
I totally agree that Springfield should have skipped the XD branding with the XD-E. I’m hoping another company will be willing to fill this hole in the market. Thanks as always Chris!
Same. I ran xds early on and did not like them. I didn't know the xde was anything other than a small xd.
@@CtrlAltRetreat Having shot and xds and an xde in .45, they are radically different guns. The xds is a snappy, painful gun to shoot. Meanwhile, my xde compares well to my CZ-97 BD. I use it as a pocket carry pistol.
@@Argonnosi
That's pretty incredible. I had a 97 and that was a chonky fill size with some heft to it. Saying that a extra compact can stack up to it in handling is very impressive
@@CtrlAltRetreat No lies. I'm still more accurate over longer distances with the CZ (longer barrell, etc.), but for felt recoil it's hard for me to decide which is the better gun.
@@Argonnosi
That's a pretty glowing review. I'm sad that it's no longer in production available to give one a try. If I see one in a shop, I'll have to try to nab it.
My entire LEO career was with striker fired systems. However, the past couple of years I have been migrating to DA/SA as I get older. I feel it is a much safer action for those of us getting a little long in the tooth. Something about being able to decock and also being able to keep thumb on hammer while holstering.
Really old Coppers like me started put with .38 revolvers LOL..but after decades of carrying striker fired semi autos, in retirement I can carry whatever I want...usually a 1911 in 9mm &/or a Ruger LCR or S&W J frame... although I am liking the DA/SA discontinued SIG P224 I found...you're right, that decock feature IS a nice option...
The XD-E… and the Sig P250. Best EDC’s I’ve ever had. Glad I still have these.
Is your comment a joke?
Don't think it was. I had the 250. Great gun. I have the XDE. Great gun. It's subjective
Went today on the hunt for a medium to compact 9mm da/sa semi-automatic pistol. My list included Beretta Storm compact, Cz p07 and a few other cheaper Turk or Taurus models. First 2 places had nothing I needed. I strolled onto Bass Pro later on and the XDE was there like an orphan or dog at the pound! Needless to say I adopted. Yes, was the demo model none in storage. Funny I bought primarily, yes odd primarily to use with my laser ELMS targeting system to eliminate the bang rack that plagues the trainer with striker fire pistols. Which I have quite a few. I do intend to cycle this as my carry gun as well. It wasn’t terribly expensive $529. Agreed could do without the safety but for my primary and occasional secondary purposes it’s gonna do A Okay! Plus, I am still old school and that hammer is nostalgic to me!
@@mauricemaurice123 is your comment a joke?
@@ExposingTheLies360 a lotta group-think in the gun world.
Saturation of single stackish nines is what I’m guessing
More redundancy than saturation in a world of 10-11 round micro compacts there is no need or want of a single stack.
I handled one and almost dropped it because it felt icky. The grip is 3/16" plastic wrapped around a single stack. Major waste of space.
Saturation? Name another single stack DA/SA hammer fired gun currently on sale
had one of these could not hit anything with it ended up buying a g17 loved it and for the same 40$ price i can get a 33 round glock mag instead of a 8 round mag also the xd is so thick that my glock 17 fits in the same leather holster i got for it to begin with
I wish she would saturate my single stack... What oh yeah yea i mean like the handgun still yea..
Wow I was just thinking about this gun. Was sad to see that Langdon Tactical stopped selling their version of it.
I have both the .45 and 9mm in the XDE line.. got both with 4 magazines and range bags. I started carrying it as a lighter alternative to my full-size metal 1911. I totally disagree with your comments about the safety.. being able to load/unload the chamber with the safety engaged is a nice feature. I also own a Sig P320 X Compact with Romeo One Pro Optics but recently I've been reluctant to carry it because of recent reports of unintended discharge. Lately I've been carrying my S&W M&P 2.0 in 10mm 4.6 inch with manual safety... had no failures to feed with hot defense or range ammo... I have to say, 15+1 of 10mm in a full size gun that's still light enough to carry all day, and I don't feel like I'm compromising anything. It's too bad about the XDE though.. really love mine.
My buddy has one in .45 and it's literally the only Springfield XD I've ever held/shot that I've ever liked
I couldn't agree more with your request to the industry of a decent DA/SA micro nine. I would gladly buy one. 🙏
I spent a number of years shooting DA/SA exclusively. In my experience DA/SA isn’t nearly as popular as a number of options, especially in recent years. I keep reading comments online from people saying they want DA/SA options, but the sales figures don’t back this up. I think the people that do like and want DA/SA are a vocal minority.
I continue to believe the HK P2000 is one of the best DA/SA carry pistols if you’re fine with carrying something like a Glock 19, and the P2000sk is great as an alternative to a Glock 26.
I have a grand power excalibur. I love it. But I also have an OZ9 frame with g34 slide and that's the one I shoot between the 2.
I whole heartedly believe my DA/SA, which wasnt mention, takes the cake for DA/SA action: the humble revolver.
People who want DA/SA are a minority, but not a small minority. Theres lots of us out here. The reason sales arent great is because the tradeoffs to get DA/SA in the current market are too great. A microcompact 1.5 stack mag in a subcompact DA/SA (decocker only) would sell very well, even at a premium price ($5-700). If the new CSX was DA/SA, I guarantee it would be the gun to have right now.
@@thatf_inguy8220 i would be interested in a da/sa csx or even a shield plus if they would add a light rail similar to the g43x or p365 has. But until then, s&w pistols are a no go as the only light available are those clamp on, low lumen Streamlights.
For a range pistol or even a combat pistol, I would prefer a hammer-fired SA/DA pistol. Buuuut..... I'll be sticking with my striker-fired pistol for daily carry for the foreseeable future.
I have never felt closer to someone with my same opinions in the gun community. Funny enough, my name is also Chris. Every single DA/SA note and criticism is exactly how I would like to see a DA/SA pistol designed.
Yup, this is the exact gun I wanted. Except it was a springfield. Still waiting for HK, FN, CZ to make one, until then I will continue to carry my Walther PPS.
Yes! I keep looking at the SHOT show to see when someone will come out with a nice DA/SA subcompact. As you say, a P365 with a hammer. Or perhaps something like a Sig P232 but slightly larger would be OK to work with 9mm. A metal frame option would be cool to see. The Sig style decocker is definitely the way to go though. I was really excited about the announcement of the XD-E but I didn't like the ergonomics, overall size, and trigger.
I'd love to see you get a hold of a CZ 2075 RAMI with the decocker. I feel you would really enjoy it, and it's quite customizable with custom grips and triggers
yes! that gun blows this piece of crap outta the water
good luck finding a cz rami, it was notorious hard to find and buy , and was discontinued in 2019. Hope and pray cz has a newer micro da/sa in works to replace it.
Someone buy mine I don't want it lol
@@0sm1um76 You don't want your RAMI? What
I do not find this surprising at all. But, I do have the .45. Excellent handgun. SA trigger/reset it exceptional, DA trigger is smooth.
I bought one in 9mm, the 3.8in, was supposed to be a concealed carry, was unsatisfied with the size of it and ended up buying a used P938. Took me a while, but I really like the 938. I was a noob to guns at the time and was afraid of the single action at first, cocked and locked carry style. I actually took the 938 apart to look at how the hammer and safety engaged, and once I saw how the safety blocks the hammer I was completely comfortable and secure carrying the 938. It's incredibly small, conceals really really well.
I feel HK could accomplish something like this with their P30SK by slimming it down and making it a single-stack pistol. Or at the very least, shrink it overall. It's one of my favorite pistols, especially with the LEM trigger. But like you pointed out in the beginning, it's a striker-fired world out there. Which is very unfortunate.
I think with the slim double stacks the single stacks are getting obsolete. Even Kel-Tec did come out with a very slim 15 shot Kel-Tec P-15
@@Gieszkanne It's never obsolete. People have convinced themselves they "need" to have 10-15 rounds in a tiny package when a 7-8 round single stacks can do just the job.
@@mr.wiggles7535 If you already have a single stack, you dont have to throw it away. Some still carry a revolver but in the future I dont see a reason to offer new single stacks .
Its 1.3 inches thick. The P365 is 1 inch thick. If they can get the HK P30Sk to 1.1 inches and KEEP it double stack while offering optics cutouts, I would ditch my P365xl asap.
I totally agree with you but I personally love Springfield Armory’s XD series of handguns and was shocked that they discontinued the XD-E handgun! 😳
I'm a DASA hammer fire shooter myself, I have no interest in owning a striker fire pistol at all. Although some feel differently, to each their own.
I prefer DA/SA hammer fired as well. The one exception to that is the Walther p99AS which I have had for a number of years. It is a DA/SA striker fired gun with about 3lb single action (super crisp and minimal reset), 8lb double action, weighs 24oz, and has a paddle style mag release. I still think its one of if not the best striker fired gun ever made but of course Walther does not publicize it and they only intermittantly ship the full sized and compact versions to the U.S. now. I'd love for Walther to return to their former glory and bring a refresh of the P99 to the U.S. market, but I think this is unlikely to happen. As it currently stands, I have no plans to purchase anything more from Walther.
I pick one up at a 2nd Amendment Store my cousin works for, after a friend talked me out of my G2C Taurus. Upgrader with all stainless steel springs & guide rods. Had all the same Bells & Whistles as my Bersa Thunder 380 Plus. But a lot lighter on the hip. One of the best trigger reset.
The bore axis is like, 7 inches above the trigger and the entire gun is really awkward in hand. Really looked hard for one, then held and shot it and I was like a limp handshake.
It looks awkward, but I don't think it shoots any different than most small 9mm pistols. If anything, it's a little softer shooting simply because it's slightly heavier than most. "Bore axis" is a bit overrated as a metric for shootability unless you get something that drastically changes it like the Luago Alien or Chiappa Rhino.
Yeah, it’s not awkward. As stated, it LOOKS that way, but I carried one for two years on my CCW and it doesn’t feel tall in the hand at all. That’s just hater talk from people who never held it. I very much liked being able to decock and carry with a DA first pull, but that became less important to me as I grew more comfortable with carrying. I’m still happy to own one and it definitely fills a niche. :)
@@Mike-B-Jackson "Looks that way" is all it takes for people to just not consider the gun. If I discount it while watching videos, etc, I'll never handle it; much less actually shoot one.
Must’ve been the 9mm version cause.45 is poppin.
It's not awkward at all. I have big hands and it fits perfectly for me. I still use it as a daily carry in .45
For the most part I agree with you about compact .45s and even as a .45 guy, I carry a 9mm. (It just makes sense) However, I think that the Springfield pistols are the exception to the rule; My XDS .45 shoots incredibly well and produces cloverleaves at 15-20yds. I will say, I believe a .45 should have a 5" barrel, but theres something different about the XDS that I don't understand. It just shoots. I feel that engineering it for .45 wasn't a mistake; it may have been exhibitionary. "Look what we can do!"
Do you have the 3.3" or 4" barrel on your XDS? I have the 4" barrel and the recoil is more manageable than the 3.3" model.
love my XDs 45. It's my EDC
@@thecouldntbe I would hope so. The XDS in 3.3" is one of the most painful handguns I've ever fired. Just the worst.
@@Argonnosi yeah the 3.3" recoil is kinda ridiculous. The 4" isn't that bad. Crazy how much a difference .7" makes.
@@thecouldntbe I have the ridiculous 3.3" and it's a tack-driver! 🤷♂️ (I don't get it either)
I feel the recoil is manageable, but I'd take a 4" if I had to do it again.
I rented one of these as I was really interested in it. I found the added height of the slide made it awkward and perceived muzzle flip was higher than I was expecting. I didn’t see any real benefit over other compact 9mm pistols even though it was DA/SA. So I think your analysis is correct. While not DA/SA, I am very curious how the S&W CSX will do and if they will ever make a DA/SA version.
Yeah I too would love a DA/SA P365, but in the P365XL size tho. Even better if it they made a FCU with decocker that that could drop into other frames. That would be so awesome
The Smith & Wesson 3919 is about the same size as the XD-E and has a very good double action trigger with the decocker/safety lever well out of the way of the thumb. The 3913 also isn't as ungainly and top heavy as the XD-E.
I wish this channel had more subs
When the XDE was announced, it seemed like the gun I'd been waiting for. It seemed sort of like a "poor man's P239." But I was turned off by the ergos the first time I handled one. It just didn't feel right in my hand and the frame dug into my trigger finger in DA. Maybe that was just me.
Nailed it. The ergos were crap. With so many others making ergos so noticably great these days seems like they could have done way better.
I've never handled one, but it looks like a brick in this video.
Same here. Was going to get it, until I actually handled one.
I liked the P239 back in the day. I wish Sig would just do a modern version of something like that.
I had one and I thought the grip felt like holding onto a wooden spoon from the spoon end. It was too narrow.
Hi Chris, nice video, as usual. As a DA/SA guy myself, I personally prefer (or at least I don't mind) a manual slide-mounted safety for carry. I have always practiced a draw stroke that integrates disengaging the safety; it very quickly became a natural part of my draw, and it feels weird to do it any other way.
I think the Smith & Wesson 3rd generation single stack DA/SA subcompacts (3913, CS9, your 3953, etc.) are among the best carry guns ever made; it's a shame they aren't made anymore. A CS9 is almost identical in size to a Shield, weighs just 2oz more, has all the advantages of DA/SA, but came out just as the popularity of striker-fired guns was exploding (but unfortunately ahead of the subcompact craze).
The cancellation of the XD-E is too bad, I had the XD-E high on my list of carry guns to explore. There are some subcompact 9mm DA/SA guns available, but most use double stack mags and I prefer single stack for the size and weight advantage.
I've been hoping for years that Beretta would come out with a single stack subcompact DA/SA gun in 9mm; I looked at the PX4 subcompact for carry, but it's really fat. The ideal would be a subcompact single stack version of the 92/M9, but that's pretty pie-in-the-sky. They'd sell a ton of them though.
As with any other industry, the highest profits come with catering to the lowest common denominator; as such any DA/SA subcompact will have to target a niche audience. Still, that niche is large enough that I have hope that someone will fill it.
I love DA/SA but single stack and having Springfield branded on it just doesn't do it for me.
Edit: omg. That Christmas list you rattled off for the perfect DA/SA pistol is perfect. I would throw my wallet at a gun like that.
Couldn't care less what is branded on it, anyone who does is dumb. The thing that matters is a quality firearm at an affordable price...
@@detroitvseverybody3813 Lol. I guess you're part of the "just as good" crowd too?
I have the xde in 45, and absolutely love it! It is so smooth and fun to shoot. It is a little undersized. It’s not my everyday carry, that’s my p365 9mm. I take it with me out in the woods when bow hunting or hiking.
DA/SA only way to go for something that is for self-defense/duty. (H&K fanboy here…)
@DV8 *** Yes. I am the final arbiter of everything. Seriously, I lost this argument with the 1st Glock off the line. However, DA/SA is like a revolver with a magazine. No safety means fewer mistakes. For the person who rarely uses the gun, who cannot be convinced to revolver, DA/SA is so very good for carry. (I did mention that I am a fanboy of the H&K)
All they need to do is redesign the H&K P30sk V1 for a staggered magazine and add an optic plate. DA/SA is a niche market, whereas anyone who likes striker fired guns can quickly adapt to the LEM trigger and new shooters will appreciate the additional safely inherent in a hammer fired system.
The #1 problem was the bore axis somewhere in the lower stratosphere, it's comically high and recoil was equally rediculous. The moronically designed safety decocker that loved to self engage. The grip sucks, the trigger length of pull is also odd.
This analysis is so spot on from a guy who's looking for a small da/sa carry gun
I love this gun, yes wish it was a little bit smaller but it had all the options for me and once you get used to it, it was very reliable and easy to shoot.
You absolutely nailed it. I have the CZ RAMI and the H&K P2000sk. I love them both but they need to be thinner and lighter. Was hoping the XD-E would fill that void because I'm a huge fan of DA/SA with Decocker.
I had a XDE in .45 ACP and loved it. It was a good shooter and very accurate. I also liked the idea of being able to carry it "cocked-n-locked". So why did I get rid of it? I already had a couple of 1911s in .45ACP and one in 9mm.
Thanks for the heads up. I always liked DA/SA guns also. But since I had an original XDS & XDS mod2 I didn't see the need to buy an XDE with a slightly higher bore axis than my XDS's. But now it looks like I need to look for XDE 3.8 or 4.5 "unicorn" models because they are actually good guns even in today's high capacity micro 9mm.
I too am a devotee of DA/SA. The XDe is my daily carry piece and I can't imagine replacing it. I occasionally consider a 365XL however.
The 3.3 has been my EDC for the last six months. It's not perfect, but what gun is? I have a lean build and prefer a 3 o'clock IWB. The XDe is the only 9mm DA I have that works well in that position. I was thinking about getting the longer barrel lengths to tinker with, but it was hard enough trying to get this one. There was only one store in the entire state that had one in stock and I had to drive 400 miles to get there.
I have an XDe9 3.8 and I absolutely love it I have the ambi safety just above the thumb, works with ease, and I carry it half cocked with the safety on with no problems at all. it works great concealed wit no printing. I wouldn't think of getting rid of it for anything else.
I've had my 9mm XD-e almost as long as it had been out. I never had issues with it, carried it as my daily concealed until I got a better holster and new furniture for my XD .45
Both XDs have over 1k rounds and full confidence in them. I would probably trade the XDe in for an optics ready Sig or Glock in the same size group and caliber later down the road.
Your evaluations are good ones. I too am always on the lookout for a small slim DA/SA. What also turned me off to the XDE is that it doesn't have a passive firing pin block safety. I wouldn't suggest anyone buy a pistol without one as we are more likely to accidentally drop a pistol than actually fire one in self defense.
Best hammer fired carry gun in my book is the DAO Sig P250 subcompact. It's got a long DAO trigger, but it's very smooth and not a heavy pull. Uses the same mags and grip modules as the Sig P320
And Sig stopped selling it in 2014 when the P320 was introduced.
The P250 had a great trigger, underrated gun
I wish I could agree, but I found my P250RS to have light strike issues that neither Sig nor Galloway could cure. I couldn't trust it. Also, the optional laser they sold with it was awful. I traded it.
DAO, hang on I'm going to go vomit...
I have a P250 subcompact and like it, but don’t love it. My brother has an XDE which I’ve put a few rounds through but I left the range very unimpressed with the trigger. I love the Sig P229 but I find it a bit bulky to be my EDC. End result? S&W J Frame, 642 Performance Center Edition to be exact. Yea I know I’m giving up up a lot of firepower but if I’m still in a gunfight after expending 5 rounds I’m getting the F out of there if at all possible.
I have 3 XD's from Springfield and I guess I have missed why you say the XD has "issues". Can you explain here?
I am a DA/SA fan too but I got the XD-E .45 for woods carry so I don't risk losing my Glock 30. I like it ... it seems to me that it runs UW hard cast more "smoothly" and with more of a straight back "push" than my other .45s. If I gotta put a few hard cast on target fast - I trust it. It fits the GLS Kydex holster my Glock 20 and Glock 30 fit which is super convenient too.
My father was a WWll vet, and I learned to shoot with his government issue Colt 1911A1. That was almost 60 years ago, and I have always loved the 1911 platform ever since. I own several quality 1911s, as well as stricker fired firearms and revolvers in different calibers. I had never owned a Da/Sa but was interested in one. I read about the Springfield XDE in a Firearms magazine when they first came out and was interested, but I have always shot 45acp and waited for that caliber to come out. I purchased an XDE in 45acp in the spring of 2018 and have put it through a lot of use and used it for everyday carry. I have no complaints about my XDE and have had no issues with it. The XDE is very reliable and accurate, and I have trained exclusively to carry it so the safety is no problem.I know people who have several safes full of very expensive handguns, but they can't carry them all or train with each one. I have the firearms that I need, and I collect antique firearms that I really enjoy.
If they would do a full v. 2.0 update to double stack and smooth trigger w/ red dot and/or threaded barrel option, I would consider one for sure. I like SA/DA guns, especially for compact edc.
I think the XD lineup is also just over-saturated, so naming this gun XD-E buried it. As someone who liked the design of the XD from the beginning, thought the XD-M upgrades were pretty slick (though didn't care for them in person), and eventually bought the XD-S, the ever-growing and ever-changing lineup has been too much to track with all the Mod.2 and everything else.
Clear,Concise, and accurate. That's why I get excited when I receive a notification for your channel.💥
Thx for your many helpful videos. I pondered this gun but had trouble finding one and was leery about aftermarket support. I wound up with a 9mm Beretta PX4 full size. Its taken some time to get decent with it but I really like the gun. I think the inherent safety aspect of DA/SA is not appreciated.
Hard to find but the Sig P225-A1 is a really nice carry pistol. I have the SRT upgrade and it is a sweet shooting 9 mm single stack.
"There is no safety" sounds really scary to new shooters.
I've taught several people who couldn't get past the idea of "what if it goes off?" I explain that it won't because of: A, B, C, etc. "Yeah, but what if it does?"
Pretty much this, I know some experienced shooters who won't get off this line of thinling either. Guys that carry/train to flick their safety off.
He’s right about most points in saying there were too many options in ref to the safety. Especially for new owners but IDT most new gun buyers go down that far down the rabbit hole.
Price point and competition. If a first time buys asks most enthusiasts will recommend a glock or M&P are always the best choice until they build confidence.
But I’ve just never understood all the hate that an external safety gets. I’ve carried at least a dozen guns over the years. At least 5 with a safety and I now prefer to have it. I’ve never accidentally flipped a safety on or off.
Having said all of that. I wouldn’t buy one because it says Springfield
Agreed. I have one and only fired 100 rds and never shot it again. I let the kids use it when they want to use some guns when they go shooting. If I could get the kids to replace ammo they shoot that would be nice.
Like you, I don't think the DA/SA is the issue for sales. Look at how hot the CZ-P07 sells!
Springfield released a pistol which could have competed with the S&W shield in 2014. But they released it to compete with the Sig P365 in 2021, and it's not even close to comparable.
Compared the the Sig P365, the 9mm 3.3" barrel XDE is 1" longer, 3/4" taller, 7 oz heavier (that's 40%!!!) the same width, and holds 4 less rounds.
And yet, the lowest XDE price online right now is $450. The P365 is available for $460 with a 10rd magazine or $530 with the 12 rd.
The DA/SA market is kind of already owned by Sig, Beretta, HK, and CZ. I'm not saying there's no market for this, but in a small market (modern DA/SA pistols) it's hard to break in.
(Note I see you referenced the same companies later in the video. Spot on)
There is more room in that market, but Springfield definitely did not make a product that made a mark at all
The XDE long slide has that sexy cut that makes me want it to supplant every on-screen M9
I carry my XDE regularly. It's slightly heavy. The DA trigger pull is a little heavy, but if it's time to pull it, I'll manage it.
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That subtle cut in of gun images when talking about experiments and junk had me laughing.
I like all the features of this gun. That's why I love CZ with their omega trigger system. I actually would carry it with safety on and hammer down. It just feels safer when i leave the gun sitting around but i disengage it before carrying it in public... and I'm not so sure my safety would be engaged in the holster by accident.
Comment from Germany: Unfortunately, this is yet another casualty of the hype about striker-fired pistols, another loss of a much safer DA/SA pistol compared to many current, but far less safe, striker-fired pistols without a manual safety. Thanks for the good and informative video.
The .45 actually uses the same mags as the xds models. Well made pistol. I have to say I don't love the trigger...too much pre travel and breaks very late. Took me a while to get used to. Excellent point about the safety/de-cocker.
My XD 40 is one of my favorite weapons I own and I have not had any issues with it for othe few thousand rounds I have put through it. I am debating an XD-E as a middle ground between a shield 9 and the Army M9 I had in service. Another great video and keep the great content coming.
Great video.
If SW was able to modernize the 6906 and bring it back I think they might have a winner.
From all the internet feedback there appears to be a section of the market waiting for one.
It seemed to check off most of the boxes that Chris mentioned.
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I think that's a pretty solid assessment. I actually didn't even know about the 45 chambering, which definitely explains the two-by-four ergonomics of the thing. Had this been the size of the XDS9 and decock only, they probably would have had a winner. Taking an existing XDS mag would also be a boon
I’m a DA/SA fan because Chris told me to be. LOL! Thanks for sending me on a search to find pistols that don’t exist.
"that is what I'm going to wildly speculate about today" LOLOL
Don't care what anyone says about the xde, got both the 9 and 45, Love both.
Agree with s/a d/a....I had no idea that Springfield discontinued this pistol! I bought one a few years ago, during a time, luckily for me when they were giving away all the extra goodies...mags, bag, etc. Great vid! Thank you!
When I was the new gun owner I bought one. I later decided to go with the Sig P365 because I gained a lot of experience and liked the striker fire with the safety and carried more rounds and easy to conceal. I like the gun and bring it to the range. I have never had a problem with a misfire. The 9mm Springfield XDE is a good gun.
Really enjoy your videos, always comprehensive yet concise. Keep it up.
As a new shooter, I watch a lot of gun related videos. I haven’t been able to find a video that goes over how to find a range that lets you practice your draw, or go over how to find shooting courses to help with accuracy and defensive shooting. It would be great if you could make a video like that as I’m sure many would benefit from it.
Either way, thanks for the content!
Salivating at the thought of a company taking the requests at the 10:35 mark
More deep-dives into the gun industry please! Love your stuff!
I'm not heartbroken, there's only 3 wepons that Springfield makes that I would consider owning. 1911, M1 Socom QCB, and the Hi-Power copy.
I considered buying an XD-E a couple years ago but opted for a Sig P290 which was only in production for roughly 6 years. I guess those of us that aren’t in line with the striker-fired crowd are just SOL for the most part.
I dont know, I feel like people who look for hammer fired pistols usually look for a metal frame, not plastic. Plastic lovers seem to want the striker system. Really was a niche pistol.
Thanks for picking up the slack, Taurus TH9
This is a good concept of springfield. My hk 2000sk. Has a decker and can be. Carried safely and no springs are being compressed. My xdm as I carry it with one in the chamber my firing pin is compressed. Just don't know when it will fail. SA/DA is a good option in a gun. Safety like a revolver yet more rounds for the range and self defense. Pull the trigger and go.
Xd model 2 was my very first gun, give as gift from my wife, After years I still love this gun.
This was a great explanation as to what the reasoning behind the discontinuation of the XD-E could have been. I have one and love it so it was sad to find out they were killing it off.
I have one acronym for you -- USP. The H&K USP series is DA/SA pistol with a decocking button and a manual safety. The VP30 series has this format as well. These pistols are highly prized in the DA/SA enthusiast market. I don't think the XD-E would be competitive in this market and without that it was going to fail
I hear a lot of people bad mouth the XD series but while I no longer own any my experience with them has been good. If I were in the market for a full size 10mm I would definitely choose the XD-M over the G20 because it has a fully supported chamber.
H&K USP Compact is one of the best pistols in the world. Boom. Truth bomb dropped. You're welcome.
It was made for the same customer who needed "Grip Zone" telling him where to grip...
Its funny how things come full circle. This is essentially a Polymer SIG 239. Just twenty years too late, and two years too early. When it first came out a lot of people were really scratching their heads, in this age of Glock 43X, SiG 365, and Hellcats would a manufacturer go seemingly backwards in tech?
Well, I think they anticpated the current resurgence of DA/SA in todays market. Just a mite too early. Also, bigger, slimmer guns are simply more comfortable and easier to shoot for a lot of people.
And yes, bore axis height is over rated.
I have a 239. Too big for the capacity even back in the day before 365xl and 43x. Also, the balance in the hand never felt right too me - it always felt top heavy.
I sold my XDe a couple months ago. The trigger pull in DA mode was too much for me. My Beretta PX4 Storm Compact is better in every way, trigger pull, capacity etc. The XDe isn’t a bad pistol, just not for me.
Love my E. Thankfully, the XDS mags fit the pistol.
Can you please do a video about how big of a scam "night sights" are?
They've became a default option with a huge aftermarket, but just seems like a giant scam to justify the price tag on them.
They have very little practical use.
In the dark, you can see 3 little glowing dots on top of your gun, but you can't identity your target.
When you use a light to properly ID the target, the night sights get totally washed out, but you can perfectly see the silhouette of your irons.
Hopefully the wide adoption of optics will eventually push these things out of the market.
They are useful under very specific circumstances. Like if you're standing in a room with low light, but your target is in the next room and illuminated. Also useful when transitioning from daytime outside to inside a dark building and your eyes are still adjusting (though this is more of a concern for law enforcement than armed citizens). I like night sights because good ones (like the Ameriglo CAP sights in this video) tend to also have features that make them more visible under good lighting (ie, highly visible neon colored front sight with a black or subdued rear sight). There's no reason you can't get these features in non-tritium sights, but you seldom see that, except for fiber optic sights.
I have owned the XDS and XDE in .45 acp. I prefer a .45 but I'm not a big guy. Both guns fit well in my hand and were a breeze to shoot. I prefer the XDE and conceal carry with a IWB pocket holster. The limited mag capacity keeps the firearm at a manageable weight, but it is still just heavy enough to help recoil management.
Boy you are singing my song at 10:18 with your "if I could only have...." - couldn't agree more. I find it both interesting and confusing that no mfgr is addressing this market, however small, and I doubt it's as small as some think. Decent CCW size DA/SA with 10rds or more with modern options. Was looking at a BDA .380 this morning because it's relatively small and 13+1, if it wasn't $850+ I'd get one for old times sake. Still might.
I always wanted to but one of these. I love da/sa pistols. But the limited capacity was the only thing that kept me from purchasing. If they were available in double stack mags they would've been more desirable in my opinion. Oh well...
Here's to hoping another company makes a slim, double-stack, DA/SA 9mm :,(
I love my XD-E. It has my favorite safety/ decocker system of all of my guns.
Living as I do in Minneapolis, my EDC for most of the year, fall winter spring, when wearing a jacket, is my Beretta 92F that I've owned since 1990, I've put so many rounds through it that I had to buy a new barrel a couple of years back. But during the summer my EDC is a stock Springfield XDe, I've had it since 2017 and I have to say I absolutely love it, it's a great shooter and I carry it with the nine round magazine and one in the pipe, not cocked and locked but I do carry it with the safety off. I agree with Paul Harrell that with a DA/SA, the long double action first trigger pull makes it safe to carry with the safety off. I have the 3.8 inch barrel version, and though Springfield never made an XDe IWB holster for anything other than the 3.3 inch barrel, I just bought that one and x-acto knife cut the front stopper of the holster off. To carry the XDe during the summer, I typically wear a back microfiber short sleeved polo with a black nylon sleeveless jacket. That way I can carry it with the jacket unzipped and with the black gun and holster no one's ever noticed that I'm carrying. All that said, I'll conclude by saying that I would never own or carry a striker fired pistol. I know I'm in the tiny minority and I'm not saying anything against striker fans, I just don't think they are anywhere near as safe to carry as an exposed hammer fired pistol. There are thousands of striker owners with bullet holes in their quads, but that never, or almost never, happens to exposed hammer slide or frame mounted safety DA/SA owners. Just my two cents... 😁
It's like a slimmed-down Sig P-239. Very sexy. One thing though, it can be carried locked and cocked, unlike most Da/Sa pistols.
It came out with a single stack Mag. Hard to go for it over a 365 or Hilkert.
Didn't see this video when you first put it out. I sold my 9mm XDE shortly after I bought it to buy a P365 and immediately regretted it, because I'm just a DA/SA guy. Luckily there are still a lot of new ones out there and I bought one again a few months ago and also talked a friend into buying one to replace his P99 AS. I put anti-DA/SA guys up there with anti-Trumpers. I think just having a decocker is best, since you really can't accidentally pull a DA trigger. If they made one in 40SW/357 Sig or 10mm it would be my daily carry. The pistol is really thin and smooth. For my first one I used a ClipDraw gun clip. I always carried it without a holster. My main carry these days is a Sig P224 in 357 Sig that I also usually carry without a holster.