Rough Vocal Effects Revisited | #3 Fry Screaming
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- In this episode, I'm revisiting the topic of fry scream and updating my subcategorization and didactics of it.
00:00 Introduction
02:01 Three Intensities of Fry Scream
04:35 The Continuum of Fry Scream
05:08 Fry Scream and Registration I
08:15 Fry Scream and Registration II
16:02 Fry Scream and Registration III
17:22 The Quadrangle of Fry Scream
19:36 Summary
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This video is truly a gem❤
This is the absolute winner of all fry screaming tutorials! Incredible explanations and examples, as well as being the only tutorial i can actually follow along with my own trials without getting lost in a step somewhere. Amazing work!
"Maybe even avoid the term vocal fry altogether" HURRAY
I love this! Like your collected monologues, this really elucidates why there are so many different sounds that people refer to as fry screaming, and why there is such a variety of techniques. My guess would be when you mention the pushed full voice scream, that that’s essentially what happens when people scream naturally in day-to-day life - pushing so much air into fully vibrating vocal folds that they can no longer maintain a a stable pitch?
Yeah, you can definitely hear that one a lot in movie scream compilations :D
Great video man!! Finally beginning to understand how some Fry vocalists get so many mid range colors & lows. It’s gotta do with Hyper compression & pushing. Still I personally find FC just easier to sustain. 😅
Psyched for this!
congratulations on 2 thousand subscribers!! 🙌❤️❤️
Thank you so much for this geeky approach to fry which was absolutely required! Question: the grudge sound that people refer to when introducing the concept of vocal fry is M0 and is therefore not the "creaking" that you refer to as the basis for fry screaming?
Really depends on who exactly demonstrates it, I'd say... Some people demo an M0 and I believe that's the original sound in the movie, but some people also demo irregular creaking (and I think I've done the latter too sometimes, but I prefer the "amplifier noise" description).
Absolutely great! Thanks , Toni!
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Awesome video Toni.
Thanks!
I genuinely lol'd at the "unscientific pile of..." XD
Omg the M0 creaking thing got me trying weird things I didn't realise I could do :O
Gotta be honest, I still don't entirely understand good chunks of this, but just hearing your examples is enough to get me experimenting and finding more sounds than I thought I could do :D
It is pretty nerdy, so if there's 10% that you can take out of it, I'm happy :) a lot of it really builds on the old videos (which, if I had to make them today, I'd approach slightly differently, apart from the obvious production value difference lol), so I don't expect masses of people to watch and fully understand the new videos either. Probably not the best marketing move, but I'm not really doing this for marketing purposes anyway (realistically, I'll maybe gain like 5 new students from this, and my calendar is already quite full). If you have any specific questions at some point, feel free to reach out to me on FB messenger!
@@ToniLinke Thanks so much!! I recommend you to a lot of friends, albeit with the nerdiness caveat haha :D
insanely precise ! Is your inphography available somewhere ?
I'm gonna upload the diagrams in my public library! More about that in episode 4, which will be out this Saturday.
@@ToniLinke excellent can't wait to meet you in France this Winter ;)
Hey Toni, do you think the singer from Underoath is using hypercomrpression for the fry he does? Specifically on their song There Could Be Nothing After This. Dont really know this band much so not sure if he uses a different sound on other stuff. That has to be one of the sickest fry screams ever though imo
Sick indeed! I'd say it's either a pushed hyper-compressed scream or something in between of a medium and pushed fry. Would be interesting to know how loud exactly he is.
where does the hyper-compressed fry fit in the registers? I can kind of get a basic fry going by engaging with a head voice, but I also want to learn hypercompressed fry but I don't know what register to start with
Chest voice I'd say. Nut very pressed and relatively quiet
Regarding registration, what's your view on Justin Stoney's distinction between flageolet and whistle?
I just listened to an example of flageolet he did and it sounds like a very high quiet M2. I actually differentiate several kinds of falsetto too, but that's not too relevant for screaming, so I didn't mention it here.
I'm currently practising the fry scream based around Chris Liepe's definition. So it's all about finding that breaking point. Right now it still exhausts me pretty fast and it hurts (not initially but after a short while and then I stop practising). What could I be doing wrong? Is my voice not used to it yet? Am I pushing too hard? It feels like an uncomfortable tickle in my voice box. At least, I seem to be getting better at finding it and producing it more consistently.
How precise is your vocal fold closure? If it's complete on your chest voice note, do you lose some of it when you break to falsetto? For me it helps not to think of it as chest and falsetto, but as thicker and thinner mixes (both with perfect closure, none of them super loud or super quiet). If you find that closure is, indeed, a problem, you're probably not pushing too hard per se; you're just not resisting it enough in terms of closure and twang. So to say: using a normal amount of pressure on the wrong shape makes the whole thing pushy even if it's not super "sporty" yet.
@@ToniLinke hm, I have to think about that. I'm not entirely certain tbh.
Resisting what exactly? Sorry, I cannot quite figure out the "it" in that sentence.
But thanks for your input so far. I'll try that "not falsetto but thin and thick mix"-approach.
@@wtfdelicious resisting the subglottic pressure/"support energy" with the necessary narrowing in your vocal tract I meant.
You probably know him already but, what do you think will ramos does in to the hellfire
I had to listen to his one take scream-through version again because it's a bit hard to hear from the studio versions, but I hear both basic fry as well as false cords. What's more important than the underlying techniques itself are the shapings: tunnels, gutturals, highs, lows... I'm gonna go more into detail about those in episode 4 this Saturday!
So is fry screaming in CVT terms creaking? I have heard lots of people claim its arytenoid based
Fry scream is usually a combination of Creaking with other effects like Distortion (false folds) or Rattle (arytenoids). The way I teach fry scream is more focused on the vocal fold vibration and treats the false folds and arytenoids as "little cherries on top" that make the scream extra thick, so probably the people who scoped themselves on fry scream and saw the arytenoids move have particularly powerful fry screams!
This is so awesome man. Such forensic detail into the specifics of vocal distortion nuances.
I've been confused how Lee DeWyze was accomplishing the vocal distortion he uses in his song Anabelle since forever. Really feel like your dissection of forms of fry illuminate it more.
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Thanks so much! Sadly, the video is not available in Germany...