Is The Era Of No Meta Over?
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- Опубліковано 19 бер 2024
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Last time we took a look at competitive Splatoon 3 I talked about the no meta environment and what that means, now a few months later the dust has settled, so what came out on top?
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This is my first super data driven video, so will be used as feedback for the next one, especially in the order I cover things, I hope you all enjoyed.
Actually really interesting to watch
I love the more data filled vids helps me create good team comps for me and my teammates
i did enjoy it prochara thank you
i really enjoyed this vid and would be happy to see something similar for the next season too
I did. It was a very interesting and enjoyable video
if Nintendo gets ahold of the sub weapon usage data, they may nerf sprinkler.
That’s what makes Snipewriter 5H good right??!??!?!???!
@@D2_Spltwt YeAh!?!?!
@@D2_SpltwtYep Sprinkler definitely carries Pencil, yep sure 100% we need less Sprinkler
As a casual blob main, they'll have to pry sprinkler from my cold dead squid fingers
@@A-Dasher lol yeah, knowing how Nintendo balances things, that’ll be the part of pencil they nerf
something like this can show how "strong" does not have to necessarily mean "used" or how "weak" doesnt always mean "unused", like the booyah bomb and wave breaker scenario
And the “sprinkler one of the most popular subs” scenario
@@sagittariusa2145 this aswell!!
@@sagittariusa2145 That's bound to happen if they keep adding it to so many weapons lol
@@TheFrantastic True, except as prochara said, the sprinklers overwhelmingly came from exactly Snipewriter, and none of the other weapons.
@@sagittariusa2145 I meant in general, they put some subs and specials on so many weapons and neglect others, I love beakon and kraken but they put them on either very few weapons or weapons I don't like, and that saddens me
Snipe 148, Shot 119, Slosher 92.
So next update slosher is getting massive nerfs, it's special will also recieve a nerf, and shot will recieve a smaller than normal accuracy buff. Snipewriter won't change but Bamboo, the other charger that can't one hit will recieve a massive nerf by association.
Mini will receive its fifth random change (preferably nerf) that no one asked for, some slow and unused weapon like H3 or Explosher will get the most minute of white ink buffs that will definitely catapult it into meta trust me bro and .52 will get Splash's perfect accuracy (it underperformed severely)
And pencil is probably gonna stay the same somehow
also reef gets another paint nerf without a buff to compensate for said nerf
@@shinji6645also, sorella brella 200p
They will nerf sprinkler to "fix" pencil.
Tent bias top text
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Tent bias bottom text
*Tent stays winning.*
I love how Tent is still meta despite the top weapon shutting it down (Pencil destroys launched tent, 1400 HP, in just over 2 charges)
TENT PLAYERS STAY WINNING BAYBEE
9:12 >:3c
Tent's effect is that it makes matches slower-paced. Every time the meta becomes too fast, it becomes popiular, and every time the meta slows down it falls off. Current cooler+zooka meta is the fastest it's been since S1 QRSJ, and trust me, if S1 had Tent, it would've been used back then too.
Honestly so much data was dropped so quickly that at this point idk what's going on but it's still interesting to hear Chara talk about it even tho my head is empty.
Yea I might have the chart on screen longer and reduce how much of it I cover, this video is mostly a test for the format
@@ProChara I really enjoyed it as I find these empirical data videos interesting but it was just slightly difficulty to keep track of what exactly everything meant. It was a great vid tho and I'd love to see more of it.
@@ProCharai think more importantly we have no idea what the data means. “Usage points” makes some sense but we have no idea how we got there I feel like.
@@atsukana1704I think it would be helpful with a more proper explanation in the video, but the use% is how often something was picked out of all available weapon slots, meaning 8 possible uses each battle, while comp% was how often a weapon was used on any team. Use% should total to 100% while comp% should total to 400%.
13:23 gotta love the little curser dance
i remember when snipewriter came out and everybody hated it saying it was the worst weapon, look at it now
I remember when zooka was mid too
Those were the good ol’ days.
I loved this video, also the stats basically made me realize something. Pencil is jut the Inciniroar of Competive Splatoon. It itself doesn't dish out crazy damage or anything initially overpowered, but what it does is provide so much support and shuts down so many threats defensively that it's a no brainer to pick. (Also Maybe a Chara Balatro Vid sometime? I'd be down to watch that since I recently got into the game.)
If you are unaware of what Inciniroar is capable of in terms of VGC Comp Pokemon, I suggest watching WolfeyVGC's video on it. While the ways they work for their team differs due to game style it really shows why pencil (and inciniroar) are so strong.
Also like Inciniroar it never gets nerfed
Huh, I hadn't thought about it before, but now that you mention it you are absolutely right.
Or Lando-T in singles, though I guess Tusk has mostly taken over that ground utility role.
@@gavinyeet5821 I'd say Lando-T isn't the best example for singles
0:34 never in my life did i imagine that chara would make a fantano reference in a video
Oli was COOKING dude
Praise be Robbe and Nex for keeping inkbrush alive in high level o7
fr !!
The goats fr fr!! 😎
This harsh strict meta honestly seems like its a problem with the obsession to be zones only. Zones is probably pencils best mode due to its huge paint and having tact in zones is huge because you always have to come back to mid and so coming back go mid as fast as possible with tact is way more beneficial than let's say respawning and stopping a rainmaker push. Idk it just seems weird that people complain about pencil then ignore the 3 other modes where pencil simply isn't as good. Of course there's gonna be a stricter meta when you define yourself so strictly by choosing one mode exclusively.
The other modes are actually far worse in comp viability, pencil is still picked everywhere, and cb/rm makes zooka even stronger via having a giant glowing target on you. It doesnt matter the mode when pencil shuts down everything matchup wise besides zf. I wish it was an answer honestly but its not and dealing with kraken cheese or rm map quality is honestly a worse exp to me.
Honestly the only solution is to HEAVILY nerf pencil, like we're talking Splatoon 2 Dynamo level nerfs, nerf Tacticooler in both duration and effect, and nerf Zooka's explosion/indirect damage to 45.
@@MrEnzio777 It does not need to go that far.
Remember that we've seen what the game looked like before Tacticooler and it is way better with Tacticooler being meta. (although keeping your after death is a bit much). Pencil just needs to be nerfed enough so that it's picked for filling both backline and support as it should be rather than being the best in both support and backline individually. So yeah a heavy nerf but not Dynamo levels of nerfing, it shouldn't be gone completely.
As for zooka once again it was quite weak before being able to 2-shot with an indirect so the indirect damage radius should probably just be decreased instead.
Just because something's the meta doesn't mean that it would be bad for the game if other options were used alongside it.
@@probablygeneric429 I think that's where our opinions differ. I feel the only way to FIX Pencil filling both the support and backline role is to completely kneecap the weapon and only buff back one aspect of it because otherwise it is way too overtuned in all 4 modes. It's overpowered not just in Zones but the other 3 ranked modes the comp community decided just don't exist because the terrible map design that Zones is not immune to makes it feel like shooting fish in a barrel. Honestly I feel like these maps were designed for Turf War first then lazily had Ranked layouts slapped on.
@@MrEnzio777they aren't even good turf war maps though. one of turf's key selling points is that if you're bad, you can just paint in a random corner to still contribute. most of these maps don't have enough areas outside of mid to paint in without getting dragged into fights
Inkjet not being used surprised me A Lot. I expected it to be one of the more used specials
Same. But it makes sense considering that it's on so few weapons, and on so few notable weapons at that. The only really good Inkjet options are Ballpoint and Rapid Deco, but Ballpoint is bullied by pencil and I reckon Rapid Deco may have a hard time against other midrange picks such as Slosher and Range Blaster.
Also, I'd reckon good Snipewriter players are probably pretty proficient at sniping Jets outta the sky, and ditto to the players of the multitude of midrange weapons popular in the tournament, so it really does make sense it wasn't picked much.
jetpack is technically a strong option, but it has a mega losing matchup against all chargers, specifically pencil. if you know the other team isn’t picking a charger, then jetpack is a good idea. but at top level play, you already know everyone is running pencil, and you’re not gonnna pick jetpack in that type of environment
@@unconcernedsalad2 Fair I didn’t think about pencil just existing to be broken and annoying and just ending some mid and long range options
The only good Inkjet weapon is Ballpoint, and Ballpoint is terrified of Snipewriter meta. It can out-lame other chargers, but Snipes can't be out-lamed, if you try to play passively against it it'll just take all of your turf, toss a cooler to recharge and do it again. It's baisically Splat1 Dynamo, except instead of being shut down by backliners, it IS the backliner.
We should've got Inkjet on so many weapons but we didn't. Neo Splash, L3D, Custom Goob, Gloog Decos, Custom Blaster/Enperries, every season has Inkjet bait and yet we only got five of them in total, with only two being able to regularly use it of which one is a joke weapon.
@@TheLaXandro Thats actually so true never has a special been more baited. also I really want Sorella brella to work . _ , It just is so horrible at times It feels impossible to use, I hope someone in the higher competitive scene wins with it or places high in future tournaments. You know after hopefully they fix the net-code. (pls I need this to happen try your best to fix brellas nintendo I'm praying)
This gave me some "Hello Internet! Welcome to Splat Theory" vibes, analizing some data and using tha math. The only thing missing was the LORE, Chara where's the LORE
0:34 PROTHONY CHARTANO
what?
Prochara... pencil meta... forever!
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If this doesn’t tell Nintendo to give us more bombs I don’t know what will.
They'll probably nerf bombs because they're too popular
Wouldn't this tell Nintendo to actually buff the unused bombs?
the person who choose the music in this video really do love roguelikes and i respect them for that
YES I WAS GOING TO POINT IT OUT
I’d really like a video comparing NA/EU meta to JP meta!
Understanding the other team's meta who don't live In the west is more important than credit is given. Understanding those differences and strengths; learning and playing their meta inevitably will eventually show its weaknesses. If there's no obvious weakness, then force them into making mistakes, into playing ways and positions they normally don't find themselves in. Break down the team, and the coordination will fumble.
The Dicey Dungeon Music is very nice. Always wild to hear a song i love from a game i like in the wild 💓
Big Dapple 3 while 6 months ago, was a really fun event I came to spectate. Was the first Splatoon LAN I’ve been to. First time I saw Vicvillon in person felt like a fever dream and I’ve gotten to know several others within the New York Scene, and have since then been excitedly awaiting Big Dapple 4
Shoutout to Edit users fighting the good fight. Great video, Chara. It's cool to see the current meta broken down to specifics to examine the trends, and I'd love to see other videos like this later so we can see how it changes.
the editor with the battle cats background and risk of rain music is based
As a pretty big nerd, I really enjoyed this more data-focused video, it's cool to see how the meta's doing through weapon usage!
The only criticism I have for next time is that the usage rates should be a bit more obvious, it doesn’t really make sense to have the data in a data-focused video only shown for half a second in the corner of the screen.
I watched a video on Jared's channel where Jackpot won a major with vanilla H-3 and the team that they were playing against also used H-3 for the entirety of Grand Finals.
H-3 meta real
Also note that that was a gimmick tourney that encouraged offmeta picks and should not be used for data of what the meta looks like unrestricted.
T'was a gimmick tourney where teams had to assemble a comp with a given "budget" with better weapons costing more.
Hold on hold on hold on. Did I hear you use Terra pluviam here 8:43 from Risk of Rain 2? I am a huge ror nerd and I love the soundtrack.
oily with the moving mouse cursor at the end is a nice reference to his 30 dollar website songs where he does it too (i see everything)
0:53 the background used is in The Battle Cats 😮
12:56 what the hell? Balatro jumpscare? Glad this game is becoming more well known :)
Good video! I love me a data driven video❤ A few notes that are actionable and don’t require advanced analytics:
The total number of games would’ve been great to have a mental base model to compare to.
The raw numbers usage of zooka felt like it could be augmented with a discussion on the percent of comps that had at least one zooka for how many comps ran it.
Unmirrored winrates. One of the most potent ways to analyze the effect of such a pervasive weapon like zooka, cooler, or pencil is via unmirrored winrates. Of the matches where only one team ran pencil, how often did the team that ran pencil win? It has low data requirements so you don’t need a huge sample size and it’s excellent at driving home the point of why a specific pick was considered obligatory.
Overall an excellent video! Advanced analytics could definitely dive even deeper into this tournament, I might give it a go later this month. But major credit to Oliy for gathering and compiling the data, goat status
Risk of rain music in the back ground love it
the data analysis is super interesting, Chara. def interested in seeing more of this kind of thing! it’s also cool to hear about the meta/comps at different levels of play
I love your videos where you deep dive into the current Splatoon meta, and one that's this data-focused is really my cup of tea! I really enjoyed this style of content and would 100% watch more.
This was a nice change of pace. I've always been a sucker for data videos.
6:02
Is that Innocence Glitched I hear.
Excellent taste editor.
I would love more of these types of videos. Also, spot on editing.
"We'll get to pencil later," (threatening)
Also I do love the data. More of this would be lovely, ty
It is an insanely good video. Keep this up and youre gonna go fly. I love these meta Discussion
This is easily the best splatoon content. I love seeing these statistics. Great video Chara.
This vid is really helpful! Would be nice to see analysis on other modes, even with less tournament results to analize
hey!! i’m actually finding this content style entertaining, and i like how you elaborate and explain why *why* of the stats rather than just listing popularity 😁😁😁
5:22 I can't believe that both Seeker and Smallfry haven't seen much use in competitive play! They're such good subs, even worth picking on bad mains.
I like all the data and graphs in this video, makes it feel like a news report
This was really good! More of this would be great!
this video was fun! i’d love to see more of this style of video!
It’s been a year sense I played splatoon after spending a week of only playing pencil which burnt me out for so long. And coming back to see pencil being good makes me wish I waited a bit longer
8:25 tent dying even though the shield is clearly up
6:44 Spotted Antibirth OST 😮
This was really fun! Would love to see another video like it. I'm kind of suprised about Vanilla Naut not being used at all because I thought rain would be alright in zones? I guess theres just stronger options...
Lol my brain just went "what if Ink Storm healed brella shields even while they're deployed" and now I wish I had a way to test that out because it sounds fun as hell as a casual brella player
Great video, would love to see more.
My theory is that Zooka is just so valuable that despite having a kinda lackluster kit, Neo Machine works better for comps, while VMachine has the overall better kit.
I wonder how the data would change for other mode specific tournaments? For example, I can see rainmaker only tournaments affecting pencil's placement a bit due to the low object damage that pencil has.
LESHGOOO PROCHARA META VIDEO
11:49 The inner wrestling fan popped a little for seeing this. Because yeah playing snipewriter literally feels like playing a 99 overall in WWE 2K rn.
Great vid, I am very glad to see an analytics based video!
would love more of this !
Gotta say your taste in music is peak af. Crypt, Isaac, Fire Emblem, RoR, Xenoblade are all banger IPs
the fantano/theneedledrop reference at 0:34 took me out LMAOOO
No Rapid Blaster Deco makes me sad. I guess it is time to move to Range, Blaster or even Slosher or Machine Noveu. Thanks for the analysis and the effort put in this vid!
If stamp got a few buffs I could definitely see wiper making a bit of a comeback (pun intended), it's pretty much the only qr weapon that's surviving in the cooler meta
this video was delicious!!! yes chara can you do another one of these in 3 months??
A vid full of roguelike's music? Love to see it
i don't normally leave comments, but this video was SUPER interesting, definitely one of my favorites overall! keep it up and im excited to see more data focused stuff!
innocence glitched the binding of isaac antibirth ost mentioned omggg
Something to make note is tacticooler while good in other modes seems especially good in zones
I love these data analysis videos.
Video 47 of commenting on Chara videos till brella is good
At least we have the solace of Tent being good.
It's gonna be interesting to see where other levels of gameplay fall in terms of its Meta over time, including Casual. Some weapons I've been seeing a lot in casual play is Enperry and Sploosh, and I think it might stay that way for a while, unless Sizzle Season '24 gives us a pretty interesting kit to work with
2:11 Jet and Missiles not getting used at all is hilarious to me
aw crap, a while ago i was trying to make a weapon diversity data thing (and failed and gave up) and now chara’s beaten me to the punch
but actually, this is super interesting and i’d love to see future videos looking at data from past majors
Lmao love the balatro footage used
🎉 LTC! LTC is gonna be my first LAN and I’m so excited for it. The data in the video was very interesting to just see how much a dominance pencil and zooka have on the game.
OMG I LOVE RISK OF RAIN 2 😍😍 omfg omfg I love all the sound tracks
I think it would be interesting if specials had limits per match this could be used to balance special spam weapons like aerospray
I would love to see a video on how to get into competitive. I really want to get into competitive splatoon for the land event. Thanks
Hearing the Abandoned Aqueduct theme from ror2 made my day lol, didn't know Chara was a fan!
6:44 nice music here 😎
Small note about tent blocking the 1st zooka shot completely thats something every brella can do not anything against tent just worth mentioning
0:38 you got a daft punk record nice
THANK YOU for this video Chara
I like this kind of stats. I even created my own file for my own gameplay.
Honestly, I’m very surprised that with as powerful as midrange slayer options are, naut wasn’t need at all; 47 has a great zones kit imo and it kills fairly decently, as well as plays into a sensor niche
if bucket gets a good kit then its gonna do amazing but for now were stuck one kit having a middle ground special and the other kit stuck with being to hard for people to get good with
Glad im subbed to this
Like the use of balatro very good game
Please do a tier list of all side order chips and kits
I’m glad slosher is finally getting its time in the spotlight.
Wait what. You included Lil Buddy in Sub usage 😂
Am scared
I love Nerdy Data videos like these
I'm actually shocked that neo machine is used so much
It’s him, Prochara
Pro wrestling memes mixed with Splatoon videos just makes me happy.
I'm sure it's been covered before, but. What makes weapons good together is a comp?
Obviously, synergy, but that can mean a lot of things.
Compensating for each other's weaknesses, helping to fill holes in party composition/roles, comboing off each other, helping to further each other's strengths....
Obviously, a data-driven meta analysis is not the place to be explaining concepts like "what makes a good comp" but. I dunno, future video idea?
Dicey Dungeons music!!
Balatro, Its everywhere Even the splatoon videos XD
Discovery jump scare at 0:40 caught me off guard
Can’t wait for the splatoon 3 meta history… still remember triple splash
It'll just be going from Crab Meta to Pencil Meta and deeming 3/4 of the ranked modes nonexistent. Can do that video in a short.
RISK OF RAIN 2 MENTIONNED RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WUNGUS NATION RISE UP
Xenoblade and Balatro music, perfect video
Does ProChara know that the Red Cuttlegear LS is in the game? I feel like he would like to know.
The bamboozler is the meta.