Especially when Buscemi was burying the money. He looked for a landmark to remember where buried it, but in both directions it was the same white, flat scenery as far as the eye can see.
Winter sucks - at least as an adult. It's all fun and games as a child. I put up with winter in Montana for 20 years. Then moved to Arizona and California. Visiting family during Xmas was miserable.
Beautiful shot down at the parking lot. Jerry the size of an ant. Then the key in the ignition, but he's going nowhere. Madly scraping the windshield to no avail. One of the best depictions of helplessness I've ever seen. Brilliant.
225 Marklin I also appreciate the ambient sound of Jerry getting in the car only with his sadness and anger and disappointment-the jangle of the keys, the kachunk of the door, the ice cold breath. All of a sudden it’s overwhelming being with himself.
Right out of the page of a Hitchcock thriller, where the frightened or pursued is a speck fleeing. E G: Roger Thornhill (Cary Grant) fleeing from the United Nations Building after being fingered as an assassin. See: ua-cam.com/video/A7gKFleV_JU/v-deo.html two minutes in.
The circumstances combined with the bitter cold, which is something that anyone who ever lived i that area can remember and relate too, blend to make the end of that scene all the more powerful and real.
Note how Jerry awkwardly looks for somewhere to sit when he enters the room, there is no chair for him. The Cohens are masters of this kind of detail. He's not a part of the inner circle and never was.
ZombryaTheDark You got that right. Jerry Lundergaard first took out a loan that he fraudulently collateralized on non-existent vehicles and Jerry Lundergaard couldn't even do a good car sales when he deceived that customer who made it clear that he does not want any trucoat.
Hope ol' Bill Diehl doesn't talk to Riley Diefenbach. When I first saw this Movie, I had no idea that the Folks were of Scandinavian and Norwegian background.
It is a miserable proposition for Wade, he pays out three quarters of a million dollars and the best that can possibly happen is that he will get it back.
One of the little touches I love in this scene is that, after Jerry walks in and shakes hands with Stan, he quickly looks around for a seat, and, not finding one, must settle for the arm of the chair turned away from him. It symbolizes how much he wants to be considered equal to these men who own the dealership, but they know they're above him and don't even give him a proper chair to sit down in like they do. Basically, he's not allowed to sit at the grown-up table and must awkwardly stand around next to it!
Mad Hatter Similiar to Fredo in Godfather 2 when he is slumped in the chair at the Tahoe estate and Michael is cutting him off from the family forever.
Mad Hatter Well done thanks for pointing that out! I've seen this movie a billion times but had never noticed that! What the heck is wrong with that chair anyway? It looks so odd like it's one of those chairs that's closed or something.
Jerry saw light at the end of the tunnel with this deal, when it collapsed before his eyes, he was probably too shocked to think of anything else in that moment. Plus, Wade had already exerted his dominance over Jerry by saying he was going to move forward with the deal. Jerry was too weak to stand up to Wade.
Fargo is one of my favorite movies. It amazes me how much disdain Wade has for Jerry throughout the movie. You know he cannot stand his daughter being married to him.
@@keldonmcfarland2969 She loves her Son Scotty very much and she wants him to know his priorities. Can you imagine how heartbroken Scotty was knowing his last conversation with his Mother was a "hostile" one. Not to compare but when Kunta Kinte became a "Man" in 1765 in Roots he told his Mother "A Woman Shouldn't Tell A Man What To Do". His Grandmother severely reprimanded him for his rudeness and ordered him to do something nice for his Little Brother. In less than 24 Hours, Home, Mother, Family & Freedom would be taken away because he didn't "Listen". Even Prince William & Prince Harry lost a chance to speak with their mother before she died and it really affected them both, more Harry than William.
Another great Coen touch: almost every time we see Jerry, he's either in front of or behind vertical bars. When you see it it's like the Xs in Scarface and The Departed. It's not even subtle.
Paul yes you are correct ! A month ago I found the old wood scraper new at the Hardware store for $2.49 . It was Black plastic and made in China but I bought it any way . It made me so happy ha ha . I shun the fancy and foamy grip ones now . I scrape happily these days and swear joyful bad words as I clear the ice these days .
It's funny how a lot of people come away from this movie thinking Jerry was somehow getting screwed. He simply wanted a interest-free or semi-interest free extremely risky loan.
@@Dorkeydaze sure, wade was greedy. That brought him where he is. He also hates Jerry. But, Jerry is also a piece of shit, the difference is he's pathetic so you feel bad for him.
love the walk out to his car and the ice scraper, it's happened to all of us, you suffer a huge set back and all of the sudden mundane tasks become surreal.
@@davehasenford3985 the whole thing is great. brilliant acting by macy, the whole range of emotions, he walks into the office on top of the world, then it crashes down on him. love the music too, as he walks to the car, with the crane shot, or top to the building camera looking down on him walking to the lone car in the parking lot... coen bros. are so creative.
what's interesting about that statement is that Midwest Federal collapsed way before Fargo was made; back in the 80s, as part of the whole S & L collapse, where S&Ls around the country where going under, in most cases due to fraud & greedy mgmt. A guy named Greenwood was the boss of Midwest Federal & he did time over his part in MF's collapse. I'd have thought the Coens, being from the area (St. Louis Park, a suburb just north of Edina & west of Minneapolis) would've known this, since it was big news at the time, hell that whole S & L bailout/crisis think was news nationally. Remember Charles Keating/the "Keating Five" or Neil Bush (Dubya's bro) who played a part in Silverado S&L's downfall (I don't think young Neil did any time, being the VP at that time's son!)...
Wade's disdain for Jerry is apparent from the first scene they're in together. Here it's the only time Wade shoes Jerry any kind of acknowledgement, although they did stiff him on the chair.
It's obvious he's naive and desperate, although its never explained why he needs all that money. That aside, I don't know what your point is. Based on Jerry's character, I don't think he would think Wade "found his money on the ground". He works for him after all.
@@splibb You didn't understand what I said at all. Wade offered Jerry the finder's fee, Jerry said he wanted the principal, Wade refused to give it to him because just handing over $750K to someone without loan security is ridiculous. Jerry didn't say at that point "Ok fine, give me the fee" so Wade assumed Jerry wasn't interested anymore. He didn't "cut him out" of anything.
It's stupid things Jerry says like that, that he can't sit at the big boy's table. But Scotty will "never have to worry," @0:50 you can clearly see he's already at the table.
yeagh, that was kind of Cold too.. they could have at least said "we will pay you XYZ amount then" and " expect the money when the deal is signed.".. but they pretty much said "thanks and you get nothing" which just goes to show his father in law was no angel either...
Jeff from Jersey C'mon, his demands are ludicrous to begin with. The father realized he is a scrub and treated him like one. I mean only because he was in such desperate deep shit did he not think to ask for just the finder's fee after the whole discussion.
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Jeff from Jersey and him being gunned down was a type of dark poetic justice .
Wade and his right hand guy are so smart it never occurs to them to ask why Jerry wants the $750,000 but doesn't care about $75,000 finder's fee if he can't have that... and the next day needs a million dollar ransom for his wife.
@@9tothe9th They are "Smart". Jerry wanted to create a Parking Space Lot, also even though he is "Fam", he shouldn't expect any special treatment of this level, he gets away with too much as it is.
Jeff McMillan You've got a point there. Remember how he tried to Falsify The Serial Numbers on The Cars to Riley Diefenbach and Riley had to call him to say he couldn't make out The Numbers.
"We're not a Bank Jerry!" Probably the most Bone Chilling Statement. Jerry thought he was going to get the whole $ 750,000.00 but of course that was out of the question. Also Wade wasn't anybody's fool. Remember when he had Dinner with Jerry and Jean and Jerry asked him about the Land and how he wanted to build a Parking Lot. Wouldn't you be a bit peeved if you were being pestered about Money all of the time.
I love how there’s no chair for him to sit in so he just sat on the arm of the chair as if they only wanted to know one thing from him and then ask him to leave.
" I don't need a finders fee. I need . . . finders fee's what, ten percent? Heck, that's not going to do it for me. I need the principal." When Jerry said that with such an obvious tone of desperation in his voice it should have clued Wade in that Jerry was in some serious financial trouble, but it went right over his head. Wade isn't so sharp when it comes to seeing through people, but so much the better for the plot of the movie.
Nah, Wade has been putting up with Jerry's whining for years. It's just white noise by now. And another reason why he can't sit at the big boy's table.
What also went over his head is that Jerry had just recently been in his office, in desperate need of 750K. When that fell through, a short time later his daughter is kidnapped for a million dollars ransom. Seem that would have caused alarm bells to go off too.
Wade probably had some inkling that Jerry was desperate for cash. He didn't care. In fact, that suited him fine. Easier to keep Jerry under his thumb that way. He would always take care of Jean and Scottie no matter what, and if Jerry crawled to him flat out asking him for money out of desperation, Wade would humiliate him, hang him out to dry, then try to talk Jean into divorcing him. If his troubles had anything to do with the dealership, Wade would relish firing him. Tragically, Wade underestimated the lengths and depravity to which Jerry would go.
One of the many things I love about this movie is they don't explain why Jerry needs the money - not exactly...I heard Macy say that no prequel or origin is needed....it's up to the imagination why his character needed the money and not everything has to be explained which seems to the norm these days with remakes/prequels/origin stories, etc.. Brilliant movie.
+mep41376 Exactly. I love movies where the viewer has to use use their imagination to fill in the blanks. It reminds me of Tarantino's Pulp Fiction where it was never explicitly revealed what was in the briefcase and why Brett's contract with Marcellus Wallace went awry.
He gets $320,000 in loans by giving GMAC false serial numbers for cars that don't really exist. They're threatening him that they're going to bring it to legal if he doesn't give them the proper serial numbers.
I love the synochronized laughing of Wade and Stan in this scene after "we put in all the money and you collect when it pays off." Fargo is about as perfect a film as you will find and that includes that weird scene with Mike Yagagita.
I saw a video on here saying the reason for that Mike scene was that eventually we found out he was never married and the woman he claimed he'd been with - who had supposedly died of leukemia - was still alive. The point was that sometimes things just aren't what they seem, and you need to scratch the surface a bit more. That gave Marge the initiative to go back and interview Jerry again, and that's when he flees.
I would've liked the ending of the movie to focus more on what happens to Scotty and Jerry. I really like Marge but I think there was too much emphasis on her and it kind of took the focus away from the family.
I feel like “I’d go to Midwest Federal, talk to Old Bill Diehl” is exactly something the Coen brothers heard an older male relative say once at the Thanksgiving dinner table.
"...1 over prime.." LMAO!!!! When I saw this movie I'd had my degree in Finance maybe three years and when he said that I almost spewed my coke in the theater. My girlfriend was like "what's so funny?" I was like "nothing babe.." :-)
You get a true sense of his despair and panicked state of mind when he decides to scrape his windshield without first starting the car and blasting the heat. Perhaps a night at a local Radisson would help set his mind at ease.
I had thought that him not starting the car was a directorial decision for simplifying the action, but one that came across as an obvious break in what happens in real life. But I like your analysis of the scene: his illogical behavior reveals the jumble of negative self talk reinforcing his defeated self image.
Boy, that is the saddest walking to a Car that I've ever seen in My Life. He's worse off more than he could ever dream of. Also he probably started the day in an upbeat mood, and then ends it heartbroken.
And in the Jurassic movie too. I'm seeing a pattern. Pathetic husband in real life. Probably had no say in college admission scandal because his real wife was in charge.
Legend has it ..... the elusive Bill Diehl is still out there somewhere, moving about the financial industry in search of a home.....to foreclose on......
Wade and Stan weren't out of line at all in the beginning. Equity investors aren't banks. They expect equity. Of course at the end of the conversation when Wade said, "if you aren't interested I assume you won't mind if we move on it... independently", well that was pretty rotten of him. Hell, if the deal was good enough and involved the creation of a secureable asset. maybe that sad-sack Jerry could have finagled a bank loan somewhere. Wade stealing Jerry's plan is pretty messed up.
Perhaps Wade was being a dick. But Jerry, had he had some common sense and some pride-and considering he let his wife get kidnapped by a bunch of deranged strangers, he doesn't-he wouldn't have let his mean father-in-law in on the idea and expected a pity loan.
Jerry could have probably negotiated 12% on the finders fee telling Wade to demonstrate to his wife how much Wade loved the family giving the extra 2% (I would have tried that angle). Then in lieu of the check he puts his 12% into the mix while Wade and Stan cover the rest. So Jerry is in for 76,500 the others for 88% or 673,500. Then the land is developed and 5 years later collect 4 million. Jerry's 12% is now 408,000. He would pay 15% capital gains tax on the profit but he's got enough to pay off his mortgage. The only catch is: Riley Difenbach calls him on the fake serial #'s way before that and Jerry is in jail or the guys Jerry has gambling debts to have long since cut off his thumbs or attached him to a concrete block and purified him in Lake Minnetonka. Jerry was screwed one way or the other. He chose another way out and ended up in the slammer in Stillwater where Shep Proudfoot finds him with a homemade weapon. Jerry meets his end on the floor of the Stillwater jail laundry.
Jerry's only chance to get anything on the deal would have been to agree to the finder's fee when they asked. Wade and Stan would have played hardball and probably given him no more than 10 grand, but at least he would not have looked like a total bitch. However, Wade and Stan gambled that he would ask for them to finance the deal and when Jerry took the bait, even the pittance of a fee went out the window. At that point since Jerry stated that he wasn't looking for a fee and he didn't have them sign an NDA, he was pretty much fucked which gave Wade the additional pleasure of twisting the knife just because he could.
I also realized that Wade went to the "Heart & Soul" of The Meeting. He wasn't going to sit and talk Shop with Jerry like it was a solid Business Meeting.
I think this is one of the most intelligent movies ever made. There are so many little things that are easy to miss, which is why it's so fun to watch again and again.
I rewatch this film so many times, it's so great LOL. "We're not a bank Jerry". LMAO.. I get the feeling that Stan Grossman suspected Jerry being involved in the kidnappings, ESPECIALLY once Wade goes missing.
One thing I don’t understand in this scene is how at the end he’s scraping ice off his windshield. The meeting lasted 20-30 mins and his car windshield managed to get covered in ice when it clearly wasn’t raining while he was in there, the weather was clear through the office windows.
What I always found really neat about Fargo (and this scene in particular) is that all of Jerry's endless stammers (ums and ahs) were all actually written into the script.
This is how I grew up. My dad had an amazing office overlooking Minneapolis, gorgeous, crazy at the same time. Actors are close to authentic if you are not from the region and curious.
Wade's completely in the right. Who on Earth is going to loan $750K without any kind of a guarantee? I'm not even sure my own family would ever just give me anything like that.
The weather in this movie was almost like an additional character. It was a crushing, oppressive force that added weight to many scenes.
The setting was a huge chunk of the entire movie. The movie would be totally forgettable if it took place in California or somewhere like that.
I know that character very well here in Ontario.
Especially when Buscemi was burying the money. He looked for a landmark to remember where buried it, but in both directions it was the same white, flat scenery as far as the eye can see.
Winter sucks - at least as an adult. It's all fun and games as a child. I put up with winter in Montana for 20 years. Then moved to Arizona and California. Visiting family during Xmas was miserable.
Finally a movie with a great storyline and not much special effects,the opposite of what one normally gets.
Beautiful shot down at the parking lot. Jerry the size of an ant. Then the key in the ignition, but he's going nowhere. Madly scraping the windshield to no avail. One of the best depictions of helplessness I've ever seen. Brilliant.
225 Marklin I also appreciate the ambient sound of Jerry getting in the car only with his sadness and anger and disappointment-the jangle of the keys, the kachunk of the door, the ice cold breath. All of a sudden it’s overwhelming being with himself.
Right out of the page of a Hitchcock thriller, where the frightened or pursued is a speck fleeing. E G: Roger Thornhill (Cary Grant) fleeing from the United Nations Building after being fingered as an assassin. See: ua-cam.com/video/A7gKFleV_JU/v-deo.html two minutes in.
Because he's frustrated by what happened in the office, he's not thinking straight.
And it's only going to get much worse.
The circumstances combined with the bitter cold, which is something that anyone who ever lived i that area can remember and relate too, blend to make the end of that scene all the more powerful and real.
Note how Jerry awkwardly looks for somewhere to sit when he enters the room, there is no chair for him. The Cohens are masters of this kind of detail. He's not a part of the inner circle and never was.
Fantastic point.
Wow never really paid attention to that before. Just attributed that to his shifty behavior and mannerisms.
What's funny is he COULD have sat in one of the chairs far away and looked like a total boss but that's not in his character.
blocking is the standard in every screenplay. Fucking fast and the furiouss does it, lmao.
I never noticed that before. Good observation.
Jerry was so pathetic in this movie
props to the actor
ZombryaTheDark You got that right. Jerry Lundergaard first took out a loan that he fraudulently collateralized on non-existent vehicles and Jerry Lundergaard couldn't even do a good car sales when he deceived that customer who made it clear that he does not want any trucoat.
William H Macy
Pathetic? Did you see him in Booggie nights?
SuperRafaelangel He shot himself
William Macy rules!
14 people need to go up to Midwest Federal and talk to ol' Bill Diehl
I loled.
Hope ol' Bill Diehl doesn't talk to Riley Diefenbach. When I first saw this Movie, I had no idea that the Folks were of Scandinavian and Norwegian background.
@phil allard: LMAO! Sheer brilliance!
...........YAHHHHHH..........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Charles Martel the land was taken from American Indians
"Ok I guarantee you your money back" lol yeah that'll really convince them Jerry.
He had no game
"I'm not talking about yer damn word, Jerry". Put him in his place real quick.
0:59 over and over and over....
@@RealityCheck6T9Terrible salesman
Ya darn tooting
I still don't know if Old Bill Diehl is at Midwest Federal or Northstar
North Star had a big branch in my Minnesota hometown of Red Wing. They're kind of a big deal in the region.
It's definitely Northstar. Wade pays Stan to know these details.
@@Beetle0302 Yes, it's like Don Corleone wanting to know about Virgil Sollozzo and Tom Hagen efficiently gives him the information for The Meeting.
inside joke / Bill Diehl was actually a local film critic and Midwest Federal was closed down for fraud.
@@Beetle0302 But Wade seemed pretty insistent that Stan was wrong there, Bill was somewhere else.
They're not a bank, Jerry.
+Javi Galindo yeah, Jerry, they're not a fucking bank.
+Jarrell Jones You want a bank go to Miwest Federal. Talk to ol' Bill Diehl.
+Copacetic He's at North Star
It is a miserable proposition for Wade, he pays out three quarters of a million dollars and the best that can possibly happen is that he will get it back.
B.J. Funk He's at...?
ok ok ok wait, I still got one final ace up my sleeve: ... I GUARANTEE you your money back! :D
nice negotiation skills Jerry, very smooth
He's a smooth...nevermind.
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tleatherland you take care of it.......
Yaa darn tootin der!!!!
@Peter T, yaa but if yooo dont git dat true coat, yergonna have oxidation!!!!
One of the little touches I love in this scene is that, after Jerry walks in and shakes hands with Stan, he quickly looks around for a seat, and, not finding one, must settle for the arm of the chair turned away from him. It symbolizes how much he wants to be considered equal to these men who own the dealership, but they know they're above him and don't even give him a proper chair to sit down in like they do. Basically, he's not allowed to sit at the grown-up table and must awkwardly stand around next to it!
It's similar to the archetypal "interview without coffee" and just as uncomfortable.
Mad Hatter Similiar to Fredo in Godfather 2 when he is slumped in the chair at the Tahoe estate and Michael is cutting him off from the family forever.
Mad Hatter Well done thanks for pointing that out! I've seen this movie a billion times but had never noticed that! What the heck is wrong with that chair anyway? It looks so odd like it's one of those chairs that's closed or something.
+Mad Hatter Good eye. It was a great little touch to once again show his relationship with the other two is.
+Mad Hatter Yeah, that's a hell of a good catch. I never noticed that either until I saw your comment.
Jerry was very dumb here, he talked himself out of even getting a finders fee so instead he leaves with nothing.
Right, but for whatever reason, he was desperate.
The finders fee “wasn’t gonna do it for him!”
They’re not a bank ya know
He's a born loser
Jerry saw light at the end of the tunnel with this deal, when it collapsed before his eyes, he was probably too shocked to think of anything else in that moment. Plus, Wade had already exerted his dominance over Jerry by saying he was going to move forward with the deal. Jerry was too weak to stand up to Wade.
The emasculation effected in this scene is surgical. What genius by the Cohen brothers and all the actors involved.
Seems like they were projecting what beta males like them would do.
Fargo is one of my favorite movies.
It amazes me how much disdain Wade has for Jerry throughout the movie. You know he cannot stand his daughter being married to him.
Well, his daughter isn't that charming either.
His daughter, Jerry's wife, is very charming and very loving. She's an incredible woman who, for whatever reason, decided to marry this scumbag.
@@keldonmcfarland2969 She loves her Son Scotty very much and she wants him to know his priorities. Can you imagine how heartbroken Scotty was knowing his last conversation with his Mother was a "hostile" one. Not to compare but when Kunta Kinte became a "Man" in 1765 in Roots he told his Mother "A Woman Shouldn't Tell A Man What To Do". His Grandmother severely reprimanded him for his rudeness and ordered him to do something nice for his Little Brother. In less than 24 Hours, Home, Mother, Family & Freedom would be taken away because he didn't "Listen". Even Prince William & Prince Harry lost a chance to speak with their mother before she died and it really affected them both, more Harry than William.
What always got to me was Jerry was on the tip of getting Wades respect but, of course, Jerry has to blow it by explaining his real attentions.
I hated that she was killed in the end. Her character should have been saved. Know it’s fiction but still.....
Another great Coen touch: almost every time we see Jerry, he's either in front of or behind vertical bars. When you see it it's like the Xs in Scarface and The Departed. It's not even subtle.
@0:50 there is a picture of Scotty on the desk. "Scotty will never have to worry," because he's already at the table and Jerry can't even get a chair!
Sounds like Jerry even managed to lose the finder's fee there. Ya?
ya darn tootin
If you don't care, we're gonna move on this.
INDEPENDENTLY.
Ya, I thought that was cold.
joe tacoma Wade don't play.
I cant scrape ice off my car windows now without feeling like a total loser
+Enderwiggan1 Aww don't say that. You're probably more moral, and hardworking and you have more integrity than Jerry ever had.
Just get a wooden handled scraper with a brush at the other end, not one with that foamy grip. The foamy grip is for losers.
Or just be lazy like me, turn your engine on and let the heater do the work
Ha Ha!
Paul yes you are correct ! A month ago I found the old wood scraper new at the Hardware store for $2.49 . It was Black plastic and made in China but I bought it any way . It made me so happy ha ha . I shun the fancy and foamy grip ones now . I scrape happily these days and swear joyful bad words as I clear the ice these days .
It's funny how a lot of people come away from this movie thinking Jerry was somehow getting screwed. He simply wanted a interest-free or semi-interest free extremely risky loan.
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Wade thought the deal was good. Jerry supposedly spent a lot of time setting it all up. He deserved some respect for his efforts.
@@Dorkeydaze sure, wade was greedy. That brought him where he is. He also hates Jerry. But, Jerry is also a piece of shit, the difference is he's pathetic so you feel bad for him.
Exactly they made it perfectly clear they didn't owe him shit from the jump but he kept pushing it
It was a terrible pitch. It was not pitch, that was the sad part
Why did he need that kind of money in the first place?, it was never explained.
Whenever my life is shitty I always remind myself: At least I'm not Jerry Lundegaard
Could be worse: could be Jerry Smith
Yes. That poor guy.
@@chaosawaits who is Jerry Smith?
At least he's not Little Bill
Or Mike Yanagita
love the walk out to his car and the ice scraper, it's happened to all of us, you suffer a huge set back and all of the sudden mundane tasks become surreal.
well put
@@davehasenford3985 the whole thing is great. brilliant acting by macy, the whole range of emotions, he walks into the office on top of the world, then it crashes down on him. love the music too, as he walks to the car, with the crane shot, or top to the building camera looking down on him walking to the lone car in the parking lot... coen bros. are so creative.
Every fucking day.
"We're not a bank, Jerry." Love how he repeats this, haha.
Have used line on my kids when they tried to ask for too much money lol
@@felipesalgado6347 Even a bank wouldn't lend you a lot of money without running a deep credit check first.
the shot when he walks back to the car is art.
Absolutely. I remember thinking it was a cutaway to a framed picture on the office wall, and then Jerry trudges into view.
You're darn TOOTIN'D!
It symbolizes the small and insignificant of Jerry’s life... like an ant. You feel bad for him.
This is a heckuva sweet movie, doncha know?
_You ask Stan Grossman... he'll tell ya the same thing._
How Jerry thought it would go
Jerry: "OK, I GUARANTEE you your money back!"
Wade: "Well that's as good as FDIC to me. We've got a deal!"
Stan giggling *Hee heeheeheeheeehee!!*
Now that I'm older, the father-in-law is making alot more sense.
Yep he is Jerrys a degenerate.
Right, no place in business for "nice".
"Hey Stepdad, can you loan me 650k for a business opportunity."
Get out of here.
Even gave him a lead on a banker to talk to... Wade said to give you call... extremely valuable if you're legit.
@@dont90know750K. Don't even bother asking.
You're saying...What are you saying ?
"You give me the $$$, $750k and I Promise to payback later yea know..."
If that happened, Wade would never see his money again. lol
The car-buying customer had the same question about the true-coat at the beginning of the film.
At one over prime!
Greatest thing to quote if someone owes you money
"If I wanted bank interest on (insert amount) I'd go to Midwest Federal. Talk to ol' Bill Diehl"
"He's?"
Haha I love this movie
+mark224 He's at North Star.
I just love the sort of small talk they put in the dialogue in this movie.
hes at northstar now
what's interesting about that statement is that Midwest Federal collapsed way before Fargo was made; back in the 80s, as part of the whole S & L collapse, where S&Ls around the country where going under, in most cases due to fraud & greedy mgmt. A guy named Greenwood was the boss of Midwest Federal & he did time over his part in MF's collapse. I'd have thought the Coens, being from the area (St. Louis Park, a suburb just north of Edina & west of Minneapolis) would've known this, since it was big news at the time, hell that whole S & L bailout/crisis think was news nationally. Remember Charles Keating/the "Keating Five" or Neil Bush (Dubya's bro) who played a part in Silverado S&L's downfall (I don't think young Neil did any time, being the VP at that time's son!)...
Wade reminds me of Peter Griffith's father in law, Mr, Pewtersmith.
+Karl Lieck Always wandered if Carter was based on Wade.
Carter was based on Ted Turner you dumb uneducated fucks. Do some reading.
He does, doesn't he? I was like, did _Family Guy_ take inspiration from Wade? ;D
D D - you're the only one that looks dumb and uneducated not to mention, rude.
I believe that gobshite DD is a script writer who plagiarised Wade to develop Carl Pewterschmidt's character
Every time I scrape ice from the windshield, I remember this scene.
Wade and Stan were actually showing Jerry respect by congratulating him on what sounded to them like a good deal.
he should have taken the fee, don't you think?
I think there's a definite lack of respect in that they didn't even have a seat ready for him when they knew this would be a three person meeting
Wade's disdain for Jerry is apparent from the first scene they're in together. Here it's the only time Wade shoes Jerry any kind of acknowledgement, although they did stiff him on the chair.
Captain Hook that's a good point
It's obvious he's naive and desperate, although its never explained why he needs all that money. That aside, I don't know what your point is. Based on Jerry's character, I don't think he would think Wade "found his money on the ground". He works for him after all.
The bird's eye shot of Jerry walking to his car in the snow is amazing. It's like a painting.
"IF I WANTED MILKSHAKES I'D GO DOWN TO MACDONALDS, TALK TO OLD BILL DIEHL-"
"He's at Wendy's."
He's at...!
I thought he moved on to the Burger King over on Northstar Drive? He's manager there, you know
I think he went over to Eat at Pizza Hut. Also, maybe Ol Bill Diehl may see Scotty Lundegaard there as well.
@@snoopywriter3643 That's near the In-N-Out Burger. Just a little of the old In-N-Out.
@@coachbombay7576 oh you know something, you may be right. That’s a good find, what’s ya fee for that information? Your finders fee?
He says he doesn't want to cut him out of the loop. Then does exactly that.
It’s like when someone says, “No offense, but...”
Not at all. He said "IF" you're not interested in a fee, we can move on it ourselves. He never prevented Jerry from accepting the fee.
@@SelectiveApathy82 Jerry wasn't talking about a 10% finders fee, he was talking about the whole shebang
@@splibb You didn't understand what I said at all. Wade offered Jerry the finder's fee, Jerry said he wanted the principal, Wade refused to give it to him because just handing over $750K to someone without loan security is ridiculous. Jerry didn't say at that point "Ok fine, give me the fee" so Wade assumed Jerry wasn't interested anymore. He didn't "cut him out" of anything.
LOL why is this cracking me up so much? "You mean we put in all the money and you collect when it pays off. * chuckle chuckle *"
It's stupid things Jerry says like that, that he can't sit at the big boy's table.
But Scotty will "never have to worry," @0:50 you can clearly see he's already at the table.
Stan Grossnan says.
This movie is a masterpiece.
1:58 ha ha the guts of that guy. "If we can't agree on a finder's fee, we'll just pay you nothing, ok?"
yeagh, that was kind of Cold too.. they could have at least said "we will pay you XYZ amount then" and " expect the money when the deal is signed.".. but they pretty much said "thanks and you get nothing" which just goes to show his father in law was no angel either...
Jeff from Jersey
C'mon, his demands are ludicrous to begin with. The father realized he is a scrub and treated him like one. I mean only because he was in such desperate deep shit did he not think to ask for just the finder's fee after the whole discussion.
Jeff from Jersey and him being gunned down was a type of dark poetic justice .
there is a great line in the film where Wade says "Jean and Scotty never have to worry about money" But he didnt mention Jerry.
@@gaguy1967 One subtle but harsh way of saying he doesnt consider Jerry as part of the family.
Take the 75k, Jerry!!!
yeah. That wud have been a good grab and then go away in hiding.
10% of the net, not the principle.
There's no way those numbers were correct lol
@TMWSITY lol
@Dbomb Danny know that means 10% of the profit, the yield. Not including the money that's invested.
I love how they just laugh at the fool
Just before Wade gets more outright angry.
They're not a bank.
Ha? :)))))
Tunc Yah?
belongaskip 0.21 :)
I love how he just goes "Huh?" blissfully when they ask about his finder's fee.
Great acting!
"Well you're saying... What are you saying?" 😂😂
We put up all the money and he collects 😆
Wade and his right hand guy are so smart it never occurs to them to ask why Jerry wants the $750,000 but doesn't care about $75,000 finder's fee if he can't have that... and the next day needs a million dollar ransom for his wife.
Not to mention his right hand guy is sitting on his left.
They’re not that smart if Jerry duped them with this bogus deal.
@@9tothe9th They are "Smart". Jerry wanted to create a Parking Space Lot, also even though he is "Fam", he shouldn't expect any special treatment of this level, he gets away with too much as it is.
Based in on a true story.
Only the names were changed
They never took Jerry as someone who’s capable of planning something like that.
Anton Chigurh: _Gags on peanut due to his disgust_ "You married into it?"
...If that's the way you wanna put it.
@@ZorbaTheDutch There's no other way to put it.
@@ZorbaTheDutch what time do you go to bed?
@@cmc5207 N-n-no, b-but wait, see, it's my deal here!
@@ZorbaTheDutch you're a bit deaf, aren't you, I said What time do you go to bed?
Knowing Jerry, it's probably pretty likely that those numbers were not "Right, alright".
Jeff McMillan You've got a point there. Remember how he tried to Falsify The Serial Numbers on The Cars to Riley Diefenbach and Riley had to call him to say he couldn't make out The Numbers.
+laminage I'll fax those over to ya
+Jeff McMillan Yes. Jerry was trying to scam them. Jerry apparently owes $1million plus (probably gambling) and needs the money to pay off somebody.
+Digital West Yes you did but I still can't make out the Numbers so therefore, I can't approve the Loan.
+Jeff McMillan Right like the illegible serial numbers for the GMAC loan. Jerry was a bad amateur scamster.
I love when Macy is in the middle of a line, then stops and hangs his head in defeat. great style.
Agreed
He does the same thing in the trucoat scene
"We're not a Bank Jerry!" Probably the most Bone Chilling Statement. Jerry thought he was going to get the whole $ 750,000.00 but of course that was out of the question. Also Wade wasn't anybody's fool. Remember when he had Dinner with Jerry and Jean and Jerry asked him about the Land and how he wanted to build a Parking Lot. Wouldn't you be a bit peeved if you were being pestered about Money all of the time.
The one time he stumbles onto something good he's too dimwitted to make it work.
Try as we might to avoid it, we’ve all been Jerry at least once.
I love how there’s no chair for him to sit in so he just sat on the arm of the chair as if they only wanted to know one thing from him and then ask him to leave.
You start the car, turn on the defroster, then start scraping the windshield.
frosted up pretty good for such a short meeting,no?
Ya
That windshield iced over pretty darn fast. He wasn't in that meeting more than five minutes.
Wade: "I don't want to cut you out of the deal Jerry, so I'm sure you won't mind if I cut you out of the deal."
I thought it was hilarious when Stan said you're saying and then he paused and with a confused expression said "What are you saying?"
Legend has it that old Bill Dheil is still waiting by the phone at North Star.
Um... I think he’s at Midwest Federal, isn’t he?
" I don't need a finders fee. I need . . . finders fee's what, ten percent? Heck, that's not going to do it for me. I need the principal."
When Jerry said that with such an obvious tone of desperation in his voice it should have clued Wade in that Jerry was in some serious financial trouble, but it went right over his head. Wade isn't so sharp when it comes to seeing through people, but so much the better for the plot of the movie.
Nah, Wade has been putting up with Jerry's whining for years. It's just white noise by now. And another reason why he can't sit at the big boy's table.
What also went over his head is that Jerry had just recently been in his office, in desperate need of 750K. When that fell through, a short time later his daughter is kidnapped for a million dollars ransom. Seem that would have caused alarm bells to go off too.
Wade probably had some inkling that Jerry was desperate for cash. He didn't care. In fact, that suited him fine. Easier to keep Jerry under his thumb that way. He would always take care of Jean and Scottie no matter what, and if Jerry crawled to him flat out asking him for money out of desperation, Wade would humiliate him, hang him out to dry, then try to talk Jean into divorcing him. If his troubles had anything to do with the dealership, Wade would relish firing him. Tragically, Wade underestimated the lengths and depravity to which Jerry would go.
13 people mind that they moved on it independently.
Lol
😂😂
"You're not selling me a damn car Jerry!"
Wonder if ol' Bill Deihl is still at North Star, or if he went back to Midwest Federal.
One of the many things I love about this movie is they don't explain why Jerry needs the money - not exactly...I heard Macy say that no prequel or origin is needed....it's up to the imagination why his character needed the money and not everything has to be explained which seems to the norm these days with remakes/prequels/origin stories, etc.. Brilliant movie.
+mep41376 Exactly. I love movies where the viewer has to use use their imagination to fill in the blanks. It reminds me of Tarantino's Pulp Fiction where it was never explicitly revealed what was in the briefcase and why Brett's contract with Marcellus Wallace went awry.
Carmine: Please don't compare this classic with the unwatchable, Pulp Fiction.
Jeff Brown "that's a bold statement" lol
You're an idiot.
He gets $320,000 in loans by giving GMAC false serial numbers for cars that don't really exist. They're threatening him that they're going to bring it to legal if he doesn't give them the proper serial numbers.
I love the synochronized laughing of Wade and Stan in this scene after "we put in all the money and you collect when it pays off." Fargo is about as perfect a film as you will find and that includes that weird scene with Mike Yagagita.
Yeah, that guy was weird, sad and pathetic a real creeper
Mike Yamagita thought Marge was such a super lady.
I saw a video on here saying the reason for that Mike scene was that eventually we found out he was never married and the woman he claimed he'd been with - who had supposedly died of leukemia - was still alive. The point was that sometimes things just aren't what they seem, and you need to scratch the surface a bit more. That gave Marge the initiative to go back and interview Jerry again, and that's when he flees.
now the son has to grow up withouth a mom, his dad in jail and his granddad dead too, such a sad story, i feel sorry for the kid
+nicolas boehm At least now he's free to try out for hockey.
I would've liked the ending of the movie to focus more on what happens to Scotty and Jerry. I really like Marge but I think there was too much emphasis on her and it kind of took the focus away from the family.
+Dance Moms Fan (dancemoms.fandom) oh geez scotty, oh geez
+nicolas boehm On the bright side, he probably inherited a wad. Presumably he had to pay off his dad's debts though.
Yeah, the kid's going to be loaded. "Jean and Scotty don't ever have to worry."
I feel like “I’d go to Midwest Federal, talk to Old Bill Diehl” is exactly something the Coen brothers heard an older male relative say once at the Thanksgiving dinner table.
He's at Northstar
Frantically scraping the windshield to no avail....that really reflects how helpless he is. Great touch!
Stan is awesome. "You're sayin'... What are you sayin'?"
"....This was supposed ta be a no-rough-stuff type deal...!!"
"...1 over prime.." LMAO!!!! When I saw this movie I'd had my degree in Finance maybe three years and when he said that I almost spewed my coke in the theater. My girlfriend was like "what's so funny?" I was like "nothing babe.." :-)
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You get a true sense of his despair and panicked state of mind when he decides to scrape his windshield without first starting the car and blasting the heat. Perhaps a night at a local Radisson would help set his mind at ease.
I had thought that him not starting the car was a directorial decision for simplifying the action, but one that came across as an obvious break in what happens in real life. But I like your analysis of the scene: his illogical behavior reveals the jumble of negative self talk reinforcing his defeated self image.
Wade: "What the heck were ya thinking?" 🤣
110 people didn't know that it's Jerry's deal here...
16 people are looking for a finder's fee.
Boy, that is the saddest walking to a Car that I've ever seen in My Life. He's worse off more than he could ever dream of. Also he probably started the day in an upbeat mood, and then ends it heartbroken.
What Jerry failed to take into account is that they are not, in fact, a bank.
50 people thought Stan and Wade were a bank. 1:09 1:51
They should go to Midwest Federal talk to Ol Bill Diehl.
He's at North Star.
ilikethisnamebetter he's at......
sonofabitch....Here I am thinking they were a bank. Anyone got Ol Bill Diehl's number?
ForumLight clsssic!
It wasn't until I re-watched this as an adult that I realized how ridiculous Jerry's offer was...what the heck were you thinking Jerry!
Wm. Macy did a fantastic job of acting in this movie. I like all his movies.
Find the YT video of Macy working to get the role. He said he was born to play it, and it's true.
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Never get sick of seeing this film
William Macy was great in this part. He played another pathetic loser in Boogie Nights, also.
And in the Jurassic movie too. I'm seeing a pattern. Pathetic husband in real life. Probably had no say in college admission scandal because his real wife was in charge.
Legend has it ..... the elusive Bill Diehl is still out there somewhere, moving about the financial industry in search of a home.....to foreclose on......
Wade and Stan weren't out of line at all in the beginning. Equity investors aren't banks. They expect equity. Of course at the end of the conversation when Wade said, "if you aren't interested I assume you won't mind if we move on it... independently", well that was pretty rotten of him. Hell, if the deal was good enough and involved the creation of a secureable asset. maybe that sad-sack Jerry could have finagled a bank loan somewhere. Wade stealing Jerry's plan is pretty messed up.
Perhaps Wade was being a dick. But Jerry, had he had some common sense and some pride-and considering he let his wife get kidnapped by a bunch of deranged strangers, he doesn't-he wouldn't have let his mean father-in-law in on the idea and expected a pity loan.
and he died for it
Jerry could have probably negotiated 12% on the finders fee telling Wade to demonstrate to his wife how much Wade loved the family giving the extra 2% (I would have tried that angle). Then in lieu of the check he puts his 12% into the mix while Wade and Stan cover the rest. So Jerry is in for 76,500 the others for 88% or 673,500. Then the land is developed and 5 years later collect 4 million. Jerry's 12% is now 408,000. He would pay 15% capital gains tax on the profit but he's got enough to pay off his mortgage.
The only catch is: Riley Difenbach calls him on the fake serial #'s way before that and Jerry is in jail or the guys Jerry has gambling debts to have long since cut off his thumbs or attached him to a concrete block and purified him in Lake Minnetonka.
Jerry was screwed one way or the other. He chose another way out and ended up in the slammer in Stillwater where Shep Proudfoot finds him with a homemade weapon. Jerry meets his end on the floor of the Stillwater jail laundry.
Jerry's only chance to get anything on the deal would have been to agree to the finder's fee when they asked. Wade and Stan would have played hardball and probably given him no more than 10 grand, but at least he would not have looked like a total bitch. However, Wade and Stan gambled that he would ask for them to finance the deal and when Jerry took the bait, even the pittance of a fee went out the window. At that point since Jerry stated that he wasn't looking for a fee and he didn't have them sign an NDA, he was pretty much fucked which gave Wade the additional pleasure of twisting the knife just because he could.
Have you seen the full movie? Wade's his father-in-law. Jerry expected a bit of leeway considering he showed some initiative.
I can almost handle the ice and cold - its the six months of bleak white snow cover; grey skies; and, bare grey vegetation.
I also realized that Wade went to the "Heart & Soul" of The Meeting. He wasn't going to sit and talk Shop with Jerry like it was a solid Business Meeting.
It’s like watching death of a salesman watching Jerry ask for the full amount.
Today my dad turns 60, he wouldn't let me go until this scene was done and he was quoting it all morning
The furniture arrangement. All the chairs in the wrong place. He looks around. He cannot win.
heck.....i'd go....one over prime?
We’re not a bank, Jerry.
I think this is one of the most intelligent movies ever made. There are so many little things that are easy to miss, which is why it's so fun to watch again and again.
Damn i really though i had em with the guarantee 😂
William H Macy is one of the great actors of our time. No matter what role he's playing, he plays it perfectly.
yes like when he told the court he had no idea his wife was bribing colleges to get his kids enrolled. it was all her idea
Oh those numbers are right, all right.
I think of this scene every time I have to scrape ice off the windscreen
And later... "This is MY deal. Jean's MY wife."
I rewatch this film so many times, it's so great LOL. "We're not a bank Jerry". LMAO.. I get the feeling that Stan Grossman suspected Jerry being involved in the kidnappings, ESPECIALLY once Wade goes missing.
When he gets back to his car. Surely we have all had days like that.
One thing I don’t understand in this scene is how at the end he’s scraping ice off his windshield. The meeting lasted 20-30 mins and his car windshield managed to get covered in ice when it clearly wasn’t raining while he was in there, the weather was clear through the office windows.
What I always found really neat about Fargo (and this scene in particular) is that all of Jerry's endless stammers (ums and ahs) were all actually written into the script.
This is how I grew up. My dad had an amazing office overlooking Minneapolis, gorgeous, crazy at the same time. Actors are close to authentic if you are not from the region and curious.
Great acting, especially in the car... .
Jesus that father in law guy was born to play a corporate boss
I'm kind of impressed that Jerry came up with a proposal - fake or otherwise - that convinced two real businesspeople to "load in".
Wade's completely in the right. Who on Earth is going to loan $750K without any kind of a guarantee? I'm not even sure my own family would ever just give me anything like that.
Every single hare-brained scheme jerry concocts in this movie backfires on him. Every SINGLE one. It's really quite amazing.
With all due respect to George Costanza...Jerry is Lord of the Idiots!