Yes. Because he had Lawrence frickin Taylor on his defense. And that credit goes to Bill Parcels. Not Belicheck. Taylor didn’t give a shit about Bellicheck’s schemes either. Dude never showed up to meetings on time but when he was on the field he was a monster who made Quarterbacks shit their pants. Keep in mind back then they let defenders play defense and actually hit the Quarterback, unlike today where they flag you for everything. Anyone would win with Lawrence Taylor on Defense back then.
@@youtubeistryingtocensorme one player on defense does not win you games. there is 11 players on the field. the defensive co-ordinator has to manage that one player playing with the other 10 players, some of whom are pro bowl level themselves its a nightmare, its like playing with aaron rogers, you have to deal with his chit and keep the rest of the offense focused all at the same time.
Right but the question was can he catch him...the answer is yes. It's not "has he passed him now". He has a good chance to, but yeah it'll be some years before we know
Answer is no reason is they play in the afc new qbs are better and lamar burrow maybe Allen and rest of the qbs will have something to say if he was in the nfc they prob get to 5 but Andy will probly coach 5 more maybe 6 years and Kelcy will retire in 2 maybe 3 at most
@@BasicBodThor Aint catching him. Andy is at 2 Super Bowl rings as a head coach (maybe 3 if he wins this one) at age 65. Bill has 6 as a head coach. Unless Andy somehow pulls off a magical run where he wins 3 rings in the next 5 years... I just don't see him reaching Bill. You don't see many guys coaching past age 70, let alone winning championships.
This isn’t even a comparison right now as far as I’m concerned. 6 super bowls vs 2 super bowls. “Oh, he’s been to 6 conference championship games though!” From 2010-2018 the patriots and bill belicheck went to the afc championship every year. Nine years in a row, they were competing for the afc championship. That’ll never happen again. There is no logical comparison
Yeah they literally said...if he gets 4 or 5 it will be a discussion...only Wildes was arguing Bill is ahead today for some reason (they all, and I'm sure most ppl agree on that)
"Nine years in a row, they were competing for the afc championship. That’ll never happen again." it could happen again very easily! if KC makes it to the AFC game this year (one more win), that will be SIX STRAIGHT AFC games for the chiefs, and do it two more times in 2024 and 2025 season and you have EIGHT IN A ROW, close enough
Of course there is a logical comparison. They stated in the video right there. Bill couldn't coach .500 football without Tom Brady. Andy Reid, without a HoF QB, was one of the most successful coaches in the NFL, ever. I still believe that BB is the greatest NFL coach ever. But I'm not gonna scoff at someone who claims that Andy Reid might be the greatest. If winning championships is all it matters, Bill Russell should be, without a doubt, the greatest basketball player to ever step foot on this Earth. But he's not even in the conversation to be a top 5. It also matters how you win, and who you win it with.
Belichick was 2-0 against Reid in the postseason. And after like '07 he's never had a Hall of Famer on defense outside of Revis for one year. Was McNabb, T.O., Westbrook srubs?
Clearly Andy had better team to bounce into. BB was given the sucky pats, and browns, if you are looking all around to figure whats this and whats that kinda deal.
@@scottadkins918 Don't tell Bill Parcells Belichick didn't have a good team when he took control of the Patriots. Parcells said this: "The Patriots were a good team; a good young team when Belichick was choosen as head coach".
The only coaches close to Belichick are Chuck Noll, Bill Walsh, Don Shula, Tom Landry & Joe Gibbs...Andy Reid will be in the running in a few years though
You gotta put Parcells in there. He won wherever he went and was a great talent evaluator. He built the foundation of those early patriot superbowl teams. Give Parcells brady and they don't lose the eagles superbowl.
Aside from Belichick, you have to put Vince Lombardi ahead of those coaches you've listed. He won 5 championships with the Pack (incl. 2 SuperBowls) in 9 seasons
They sound crazy. Do you realize how freaking hard it is to win a Lombardi?! Almost EVERYTHING has to go right, health, officiating, bounces of the ball. Mahommes is a beast but talking about winning THREE MORE LOMBARDIS is crazy at this point.
revisiting this a year later and BB cant get a job, Andy had 3 super bowls and going for 3 straight and is signed through the end of the decade. Lets not forget BB has a losing record without Brady.
Isn’t it funny how just a few years ago the GOAT was Brady…now for some BS reason it’s Mahomes….also the GOAT was Gronk, now it’s Kelce….also the GOAT was Belichick, now it’s Reid 🤣🤣 this is just stupid Lmao
Yes like they're forcing the Chiefs down our throats kind of like the WWF forced John Cena down everyone's throat. The Chiefs are the John Cena of the nfl
If Reid is the best head coach ever, and Kelce is the best tight end ever, and Tyreek is the most explosive receiver ever, we must start a conversation about… Well you know who
yeah we must start saying it was all those guys, reid was just riding them onto success. definitely kidding but yeah ppl use that excuse for BB and TB12
Kevin i hate the NFL but i love your takes. See i am South African and we dont watch your less entertaining football but i watch all your segments. We have the real football here and we are world champs in the sport that eventually became American football. Kevin Bill had those because of Tom. So i need to ask you one question . Will you only read texts from Don anf his kids or will you get to read more of the ones that mean something. Bill won with Tom. He hasn't won one without that dude????
"We have the real football here " ......... "which is basically blacks from the ghettos being forced to play for whites for food and drinks" ............ "now THAT is real football"
Bill Walsh is the best head coach of all time. Look at this coaching tree and lasting impact. Teams still use variations of his offense. Bellichik is the greatest coach of all time. There’s a difference between greatest and best.
I don’t understand how he is never mentioned in these talks, everyone’s caught in the moment and “what might happen” Even bill has talked about Walsh being the best.
These cats are delusional"mahomess can still catch up to Brady"he's been in the league for 7 years now. Brady had three rings in his first five then 10 years later he gets another four I mean there's just no replicating that not in this lifetime
This is pure lunacy. They keep talking about considering who the coaches are without thinking about how great their players are. Coaching great players is a part of being a great coach so please don't be idiots.
They both have arguably the greatest quarterback ever… Mahomes is great but he is not in the debate, he’s not even above Montana so how can you put him in the same realm as brady, if he can do it consistently for 20 years, putting up great numbers in the post and playing great games in the super bowls he potentially makes, then we have a conversation. Montana won 4 Brady went to 10 and won 7….. If bill had a quarterback like Vick or Donovan then I can see his stats without brady better, hopefully he does something at his next post. Good luck to him.
right now, Mahomes is 40% through his career. and he looks like he belongs in the Montana - Brady category of QBs. that might change when he is done 100% with his career, but if you want to have this debate RIGHT NOW, then you have to take his 40% and forecast it into 100% to have a like for like debate.
is it fair to say that Billichek was better than Reid the 1st half of their respective careers and now Reid has been better than Billichek the 2nd half of their careers? Im ok w that. But right now its Billichek
John harbaugh has 1…Doug peterson has 1…Andy Reid 2………….Bill 7…….why is this even a argument 🤦🏾♂️if John wins another ring this year is he in that argument????
Every time I watch this show and the other shows like it you hear them always say it's not about rings and then 5 seconds later oh it's all about the rings
Wilds analogy. If you are 6ft tall, you're tall. What if you're 36 ft tall. The discussion would be one person used a growth hormone to get to 36ft tall. And no one else did. Is there asterisks beside his name.
Careful when talking about best "ever." Belichick and Reid will have more wins but would they be considered better than Halas or Lombardi. The times have changed and so has the game. Going head-head against either of the legends, would they be even close? "Best ever" is over used. Same with quarterbacks. People argue between Brady and Mahomes but in my opinion the best ever would be Johnny U. The records he set were still along the leagues leaders for a few decades after he retired which were set long before quarterbacks were protected as much as they are now.
The only success as a head coach that Belichick ever put out was Tom Brady he had three other starting quarterbacks not one of them successful. Mac Jones is 29-38, Bernie Kosar while under Belichick was 16-32 and Vinny testaverde was 23-25. Mac Jones may not have been a very good quarterback. But Bernie Kosar prior to Belichick coming in was drafted in 1985 had a starting 500 season in 1985 and then from 1986 to 1989. He had four consecutive winning seasons, one of which in 1987 he was one drive away from defeating John Elway for a spot in the Super Bowl. In 1990 he had a bad season, but then his potential was wasted when Belichick came around. Vinny Testaverde similar story. But Andy Reid had four starting quarterbacks as well as a head coach. But every single one of them was a success. Donovan McNabb was 99-67-1 (one victory away from 100), Patrick Mahomes is 74-22, Alex Smith while under Andy Reid’s coach is 50-26, and Michael Vick while under the coaching of Andy is 30-24. If you add the numbers from all of their quarterbacks, it’s pretty similar. But if you take the numbers from their prime quarterbacks, meaning Brady and Mahomes away from both Belichick and Andy, the difference between them is night and day.
why are rings the single most important thing? the coach just like any player can only do so much. Andy makes every team he coaches for better. the patriots have only gotten worst year after year since brady left. I do think bill is the goat for now but andy definitely doesnt need 6 or 8 to pass him.
Bill is far and away at the top of the mountain. He had about a 20 year reign of dominance in the NFL. Most predictions at the beginning of each year was for the patriots to be in the Super Bowl because of Brady and Belichick. Little things matter also. Bill made important decisions under a lot of stress in the final moments of the game to help win.
not to mentiion the astonishing decision to dump their STUD qb with multi-millionarie contract Drew Beldsoe and retain the basically rookie 6th round Tom Brady as franschise qb after that one good year 2001 ===== how often does that happen ===== that was a stroke of genius on hindsight ===== recognizing right away the genius in what would become the greatest QB of all time ====== bill does not get enough credit for that
@@AsifKhan-hf9zy in hindsight, he likely just did that because Brady was cheaper... He never pivoted off Brady because Kraft wouldn't let him and Brady took pay cuts his entire career but it is well known that Belichick wanted to pivot off Brady for Jimmy G for years
@@nathanroyster1324 whatever pathetic excuses you want to make are all fine ..... but bill belichek worked with TOM BRADY for nineteen years!!! ..... and has six super bowl rings on his fingers to show for it ...... HE COULD have left the patriots if he did nt like Brady, Brady could ve left the patriots if he thought the head coach sucked ...... THEY HAD NINETEEN YEARS to figure that out ...... but they instead WORKED TOGETHER ........ and that is why they have SIX RINGS together .......... duh
@@nathanroyster1324 like, you do realize that nothing was stopping Brady from leaving the patriots and MAKING THE SAME MONEY AND THE SAME RINGS elsewhere starting year 2006 ...... especially since "he was not welcome" by belichek ...... yet he stuck around for another 12 years because?
Wildes is like most pats fans holding onto the past. Living in new England so many callers "can't fire Belichick, he's won 6 superbowls" it's a what have you done lately league and Belichick uses that moto his entire career?
It’s gonna be really funny when Mahomes has more rings than Brady and all of sudden Nick is going to say Mahomes is the goat because he has more rings than Brady, when he’s been arguing against count the rings for years for LeBron 😂
I wonder if such "analysts" existed having the same stupid discussions when Billichick was winning his. 6 to 2 is crazy comparison. and no, Andy wont ever surpass Bill.
Wildes is so far ahead of these other two, he may be looking to renegotiate his contract for having to pull them along. They're not as bad and boring as Skip, or SA Smith yet...just like Andy is not as good as Bill!
Could he yes. Will he probably not. But I should say if I’m a player I’d rather have Andy Reid as my coach. He’s still developing players. Bill has already said he has no interest in developing new young talent. As far as I’m concerned he’s refusing to do the main job of any coach.
They bring up who's won without Brady and Mahomes ...But Reid had Mcnabb and T.O for a number of years....In either B-ball or Football if you have 6 and some one has 4 rings you can't just overleap ..That's Nick's stupid argument of Jordan and James and he's using the same take here. Dude needs to get off TV
@@sportsretrospective6759 If you take the entirety of his coaching career, not just head coach, I think the championships and wins speak for themselves. Sure he had one of if not the greatest players in sports, but you can't be great at coaching a team sport without some great players.
@@lucascrane164 Oh sure. You need great players. But for me, the greatest head coach in sports history is Scotty Bowman. I don't know if you watch the NHL. But Bowman was in the Stanley cup finals in his first season as head coach in 1966-67, and in his last, 35 years later (2001-02). He's so far ahead of everyone else. He won 9 Stanley Cups (NHL record), and made the finals 13 times (NHL record). But the most important thing about Bowman, he changed! In the beginning, he was like Belichick. He was a dictator. But then, he changed. He was willing to adapt his coaching style to the new NHL in the 90s, and 2000s.
@@scottadkins918 he would trade away all their best draft picks for shitty picks bc he is the "genius" and eventually the teams would be loaded with talentless pedestrians with the exception of maybe 1 or 2 fall out of the sky lucky draft picks like Brady was.
"What if Andy Reid had Brady for 20 years" its possible Andy too would have nine super bowl appearances, yes. Brady and great coach = nine super bowls great coach without Brady = three super bowls?
@@AsifKhan-hf9zy no if Reed had Brady for that long Brady and Reed would probably have 10 rings...I guarantee Belichick wouldn't have won any superbowls with Pats without Brady just for the simple fact that he would have been fired long ago if Brady never fell into his lap
@@JB-mo1sw Brady did nt "fall into his lap" ha ha ha ha........ what a moronic thing to say ....... Bill DISCOVERED BRADY, when 31 other teams looked right pass him ........ remember, it was Bill who dumped his STAR MULTI MILLION dollar franchise QB Drew Bledsoe in his prime and bet all his horses on a rookie Brady starting 2002 ......... i saw an interview where Bill says that Brady was on the roster in 2000 because BILL saw something in Brady that others missed and everybody in the org thought it was a wasted roster spot ..... but of course hindsight is 20/20 and who knows what the actual truth was back then in 2000 inside the organization regarding Brady
Denial Wilde's lol....Bellichick without Brady=Losing seasons...Tom Brady and Adam Vinatieri won those games. Tom goes to Bucs.. and wins against KC, Reid, Mahomes in SB with.... BRUCE ARIAN...this coming from a lifetime KC FAN....the Tampa Bay game was so upsetting. Whooped from start
No ones gonna say it. But all nick is doing is proving that Brady is truly the goat. Man had a coach that was shit without him and mahomes has a goat coach
can you listen to what you are saying. you realize that comment is just stupid. cus BB had TB12 its all TB!2, but cus andy has mahomes, it all andy. lmbo
@@scottadkins918 its not stupid. If you watch the video you will see BB is a losing coach without Brady. Andy Reid is still a winning Coach without Mahomes. That proves Brady has played his whole career with a losing coach and Mahomes gets to play with a great head coach
I get wildes frustration it’s obviously bill bellicheck is the goat !dispite the last 4 years and that’s says a lot cause he’s still the goat by a mile. Bill is the goat but if I’m bill i retire cause he’s only hurting himself at this point and the patriots. Nick trying to say Andy Reid is the goat is a joke . Good coach but goat? Hell no
Guess Wildes thinks Jordan isn’t the GOAT then yeah? All that matters is the rings? Andy will add another couple SB rings before he retires and at that point he’ll be the GOAT. 6 vs 4 is close enough for the ‘bloodbath’ of the record of no Brady vs no Mahomes years to mean something.
The way Wiles ended this segment was awesone. Laughed so hard
His feelings got hurt big time, huge homer like all boston sports fans
They’re definitely under valuing his defensive coordinator rings
Yes. Because he had Lawrence frickin Taylor on his defense. And that credit goes to Bill Parcels. Not Belicheck. Taylor didn’t give a shit about Bellicheck’s schemes either. Dude never showed up to meetings on time but when he was on the field he was a monster who made Quarterbacks shit their pants. Keep in mind back then they let defenders play defense and actually hit the Quarterback, unlike today where they flag you for everything. Anyone would win with Lawrence Taylor on Defense back then.
thats why his defensive gameplan is in the HOF then?@@youtubeistryingtocensorme
@@youtubeistryingtocensorme yeah and LT never done sh*t again when BB left.
@@youtubeistryingtocensorme one player on defense does not win you games. there is 11 players on the field. the defensive co-ordinator has to manage that one player playing with the other 10 players, some of whom are pro bowl level themselves its a nightmare, its like playing with aaron rogers, you have to deal with his chit and keep the rest of the offense focused all at the same time.
@@AsifKhan-hf9zy back then it did. Cuz you had to game plan around that dude.
it's a fun discussion but it's not really close. Bill is in a different class. Brou said it best Belichick is way ahead..revisit in 5 years
Right but the question was can he catch him...the answer is yes. It's not "has he passed him now". He has a good chance to, but yeah it'll be some years before we know
Answer is no reason is they play in the afc new qbs are better and lamar burrow maybe Allen and rest of the qbs will have something to say if he was in the nfc they prob get to 5 but Andy will probly coach 5 more maybe 6 years and Kelcy will retire in 2 maybe 3 at most
@@BasicBodThor Aint catching him. Andy is at 2 Super Bowl rings as a head coach (maybe 3 if he wins this one) at age 65. Bill has 6 as a head coach. Unless Andy somehow pulls off a magical run where he wins 3 rings in the next 5 years... I just don't see him reaching Bill. You don't see many guys coaching past age 70, let alone winning championships.
This isn’t even a comparison right now as far as I’m concerned. 6 super bowls vs 2 super bowls.
“Oh, he’s been to 6 conference championship games though!” From 2010-2018 the patriots and bill belicheck went to the afc championship every year. Nine years in a row, they were competing for the afc championship. That’ll never happen again.
There is no logical comparison
Yeah they literally said...if he gets 4 or 5 it will be a discussion...only Wildes was arguing Bill is ahead today for some reason (they all, and I'm sure most ppl agree on that)
"Nine years in a row, they were competing for the afc championship. That’ll never happen again."
it could happen again very easily! if KC makes it to the AFC game this year (one more win), that will be SIX STRAIGHT AFC games for the chiefs, and do it two more times in 2024 and 2025 season and you have EIGHT IN A ROW, close enough
So Bill Russell is the GOAT over MJ?
You can only begin to have this conversation if the chiefs win this 3rd superbowl. I'm a chiefs fan and I completely agree with you.
Of course there is a logical comparison. They stated in the video right there.
Bill couldn't coach .500 football without Tom Brady.
Andy Reid, without a HoF QB, was one of the most successful coaches in the NFL, ever.
I still believe that BB is the greatest NFL coach ever. But I'm not gonna scoff at someone who claims that Andy Reid might be the greatest.
If winning championships is all it matters, Bill Russell should be, without a doubt, the greatest basketball player to ever step foot on this Earth. But he's not even in the conversation to be a top 5. It also matters how you win, and who you win it with.
"You don't have to win championships"
I guess the standard has changed... lol wtf?!?!?
for Nick it has cus he loves bron and thinks 4 is better than 6
Counting the byes is a really valid point. Those should basically be considered playoff wins .
Or it needs to be added to the graphic as a legit stat that shows how good the regular season was for the coach.
Lamar Jackson would thank you for saying that!
“HE LITERALLY HAS EIGHT SUPERBOWL RINGS”
2 as she assistant to bill parcels
And if we count those then Andy Reid has 3 he won one as an assistant in Green Bay
@@bondzo7184 ok so that works out better for BB if you want count andy for 3
ok so 3 is greater than 8, makes more sense now.............
No Im saying It’s 6 to 2 but If bill hete 8 Andy has 3. I dont count the wins as an assistant
I love this show. It’s the chemistry of Chuck, Shaq, and Kenny. I hope Fox keeps these guys happy.
'How many byes did we have? Josh you're rehired..., how many byes did we have?'🤣🤣🤣🤣
Belichick was 2-0 against Reid in the postseason. And after like '07 he's never had a Hall of Famer on defense outside of Revis for one year. Was McNabb, T.O., Westbrook srubs?
Clearly Andy had better team to bounce into. BB was given the sucky pats, and browns, if you are looking all around to figure whats this and whats that kinda deal.
@@scottadkins918 Neither of those teams wer great when Andy took them over. Belichick has never elevated a franchise that didn't have TB12 on it
@@scottadkins918 Don't tell Bill Parcells Belichick didn't have a good team when he took control of the Patriots. Parcells said this: "The Patriots were a good team; a good young team when Belichick was choosen as head coach".
@@scottadkins918 The Chiefs were 2-14 the year before Reid got there. Try again..
The only coaches close to Belichick are Chuck Noll, Bill Walsh, Don Shula, Tom Landry & Joe Gibbs...Andy Reid will be in the running in a few years though
You gotta put Parcells in there. He won wherever he went and was a great talent evaluator. He built the foundation of those early patriot superbowl teams. Give Parcells brady and they don't lose the eagles superbowl.
Aside from Belichick, you have to put Vince Lombardi ahead of those coaches you've listed. He won 5 championships with the Pack (incl. 2 SuperBowls) in 9 seasons
Wildes and Nick are like "pinky and the brain".😂😂
Thanks. One of my favorite segments, you’re the only person with it. Appreciate you.
I think everybody can agree with nicks statement bill is the goat defensive minded coach and Andy is the goat offensive minded coach
Not true at all.
Who did Andy Reid learn from? Bill Walsh.
@untrillbo how it not true andy is a genius offensive game planner and bills got defensive gameplans in the hall of fame
@jayalvarez7679 guy has over 150 more wins then bill walsh sorry
@@obamacare4811 Andy is definitely not a genius offensive game planner lol. Andy is a great coach but he is also being wildly overrated.
They sound crazy. Do you realize how freaking hard it is to win a Lombardi?! Almost EVERYTHING has to go right, health, officiating, bounces of the ball. Mahommes is a beast but talking about winning THREE MORE LOMBARDIS is crazy at this point.
Why are we just assuming that Andy Reid should be automatically ahead of Mike Shanahan at this point?
Nick being a homer
Imagine Bill as defensive coordinator, and Reid as offensive coordinator...same team... Let's go
Mike Tomlin head coach Mr never lose with the two best coordinators. Nah the panthers would be in the playoffs lol
Can't really call him Mr Never lose.@@aaroncoleman9312
if bill is DC, then reid will pick Mahomes over Brady in the draft, and we would have only two SB rings and not six..............
Steve Young said that it took the league 10 years to catch up with the west coast offense. Bill Walsh
7:11
Thanks
Its hilarious how Wildes gets riled-up and then composes himself while smirking 🤣
revisiting this a year later and BB cant get a job, Andy had 3 super bowls and going for 3 straight and is signed through the end of the decade. Lets not forget BB has a losing record without Brady.
Isn’t it funny how just a few years ago the GOAT was Brady…now for some BS reason it’s Mahomes….also the GOAT was Gronk, now it’s Kelce….also the GOAT was Belichick, now it’s Reid 🤣🤣 this is just stupid Lmao
Yes like they're forcing the Chiefs down our throats kind of like the WWF forced John Cena down everyone's throat. The Chiefs are the John Cena of the nfl
It's just dumb debates
Stupid af seriously
It’s a what have you done for me lately? Debate.
Howcome I’ve never seen this😭😂
Bro when I saw this I was dying 😂😭 this my 3 rd time watching.
Foles best years were under Chip Kelly and Doug Peterson.
6:46 Wildes giving the same look we all are
If Reid is the best head coach ever, and Kelce is the best tight end ever, and Tyreek is the most explosive receiver ever, we must start a conversation about…
Well you know who
yeah we must start saying it was all those guys, reid was just riding them onto success. definitely kidding but yeah ppl use that excuse for BB and TB12
@@scottadkins918 I was talking about Mahomes
The coach of the 58' Giants. Had tom landry as D.C. and some guy named Vince Lombardi as O.C..
Kevin i hate the NFL but i love your takes. See i am South African and we dont watch your less entertaining football but i watch all your segments. We have the real football here and we are world champs in the sport that eventually became American football. Kevin Bill had those because of Tom. So i need to ask you one question . Will you only read texts from Don anf his kids or will you get to read more of the ones that mean something. Bill won with Tom. He hasn't won one without that dude????
"We have the real football here " ......... "which is basically blacks from the ghettos being forced to play for whites for food and drinks" ............ "now THAT is real football"
Reid is gonna catch him in wins reg and postseasons. He just got to 3 and has a shot to 3peat. It's a lot closer than they thought even at this time
Bill Walsh is the best head coach of all time. Look at this coaching tree and lasting impact. Teams still use variations of his offense. Bellichik is the greatest coach of all time. There’s a difference between greatest and best.
Mega innivator
Non modern era - Paul Brown
I’d argue the better word for Walsh is impactful or influential, not best.
Whats the difference oh wise one
I don’t understand how he is never mentioned in these talks, everyone’s caught in the moment and “what might happen”
Even bill has talked about Walsh being the best.
Uhmm? I would not care about catching anyone just win championships.
Simple math.
Just win baby.
I’m so confused…Andy Reid has three Super Bowl rings not two ??
These cats are delusional"mahomess can still catch up to Brady"he's been in the league for 7 years now. Brady had three rings in his first five then 10 years later he gets another four I mean there's just no replicating that not in this lifetime
Im with Wildes
This is pure lunacy. They keep talking about considering who the coaches are without thinking about how great their players are. Coaching great players is a part of being a great coach so please don't be idiots.
Yogi Berra has 10 World Series rings. Just saying.
Yogi Bhajan had 10 Rolls Royces. Just saying.
Who did Bill have as good as Mcnabb and Vick not named Tom? Lol
That means nothing.. 6 is more then 2
Bill went 11-5 with a qb who never took a snap in college
I wonder if that chair is made out of dog leather.
the best coaching staff would be Andy Head with bill as his DC. Andy is just better at developing players.
They both have arguably the greatest quarterback ever…
Mahomes is great but he is not in the debate, he’s not even above Montana so how can you put him in the same realm as brady, if he can do it consistently for 20 years, putting up great numbers in the post and playing great games in the super bowls he potentially makes, then we have a conversation.
Montana won 4
Brady went to 10 and won 7…..
If bill had a quarterback like Vick or Donovan then I can see his stats without brady better, hopefully he does something at his next post. Good luck to him.
exactly, andy always had better team/qb to work with. if they are going to talk, talk about the whole ordeal.
right now, Mahomes is 40% through his career.
and he looks like he belongs in the Montana - Brady category of QBs.
that might change when he is done 100% with his career, but if you want to have this debate RIGHT NOW, then you have to take his 40% and forecast it into 100% to have a like for like debate.
I'm surprised no one mentioned Reid's Green Bay Super Bowl ring
Well apparently you aren’t allowed to include bills two with the giants so why bring up Reid’s
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I assumed that someone would mention it sarcastically or something lol
Tho he was just QB coach while Bill was DC
The question is them as head coach. Not as coordinators
You mean the same Andy Reid who can’t coach his offense to line up on sides?
If Kyle can be criticized for blowing the Falcons' 28-3 lead in a SB then Bill can get credit for being DC of a winning SB team.
"where IS my glasses?" and dude dandy wants to be taken seriously???
Damn I hope the 49ers win this SB so these discussions on ESPN and FOX stop.
is it fair to say that Billichek was better than Reid the 1st half of their respective careers and now Reid has been better than Billichek the 2nd half of their careers? Im ok w that. But right now its Billichek
People jus assuming Andy will live 10 more yrs like bro is a Walrus and like 70. Hes lucky to still be alive at his weight and age. Let alone coaching
andy has lost a good amount of weight recently
@@LuckyAJC He was still like 300lbs for how many yrs. Hes lucky he got a good heart. Enough guys die of heart attacks much sooner
shocking Nick saying with 4 Sb he has a chance Reid will catch him in wins but thats it
John harbaugh has 1…Doug peterson has 1…Andy Reid 2………….Bill 7…….why is this even a argument 🤦🏾♂️if John wins another ring this year is he in that argument????
Every time I watch this show and the other shows like it you hear them always say it's not about rings and then 5 seconds later oh it's all about the rings
He made mcnabb look like a probowler. He's a helluva coach.
Wilds analogy. If you are 6ft tall, you're tall. What if you're 36 ft tall. The discussion would be one person used a growth hormone to get to 36ft tall. And no one else did. Is there asterisks beside his name.
This is the stupidest thing I’ve ever read.
Careful when talking about best "ever." Belichick and Reid will have more wins but would they be considered better than Halas or Lombardi. The times have changed and so has the game. Going head-head against either of the legends, would they be even close? "Best ever" is over used. Same with quarterbacks. People argue between Brady and Mahomes but in my opinion the best ever would be Johnny U. The records he set were still along the leagues leaders for a few decades after he retired which were set long before quarterbacks were protected as much as they are now.
Now what's going on with Nick's haircut!?
mouse face. you do what you can to hide that with weird haircuts and moustaches and beards.
The only success as a head coach that Belichick ever put out was Tom Brady he had three other starting quarterbacks not one of them successful. Mac Jones is 29-38, Bernie Kosar while under Belichick was 16-32 and Vinny testaverde was 23-25. Mac Jones may not have been a very good quarterback. But Bernie Kosar prior to Belichick coming in was drafted in 1985 had a starting 500 season in 1985 and then from 1986 to 1989. He had four consecutive winning seasons, one of which in 1987 he was one drive away from defeating John Elway for a spot in the Super Bowl. In 1990 he had a bad season, but then his potential was wasted when Belichick came around. Vinny Testaverde similar story.
But Andy Reid had four starting quarterbacks as well as a head coach. But every single one of them was a success. Donovan McNabb was 99-67-1 (one victory away from 100), Patrick Mahomes is 74-22, Alex Smith while under Andy Reid’s coach is 50-26, and Michael Vick while under the coaching of Andy is 30-24.
If you add the numbers from all of their quarterbacks, it’s pretty similar. But if you take the numbers from their prime quarterbacks, meaning Brady and Mahomes away from both Belichick and Andy, the difference between them is night and day.
Wo....Reid is literally only now just 5 Playoffs wins fr tying Belichich with (31)
why are rings the single most important thing? the coach just like any player can only do so much. Andy makes every team he coaches for better. the patriots have only gotten worst year after year since brady left. I do think bill is the goat for now but andy definitely doesnt need 6 or 8 to pass him.
Walsh was ready to bash some skulls in lol
Bill is far and away at the top of the mountain. He had about a 20 year reign of dominance in the NFL. Most predictions at the beginning of each year was for the patriots to be in the Super Bowl because of Brady and Belichick. Little things matter also. Bill made important decisions under a lot of stress in the final moments of the game to help win.
not to mentiion the astonishing decision to dump their STUD qb with multi-millionarie contract Drew Beldsoe and retain the basically rookie 6th round Tom Brady as franschise qb after that one good year 2001 ===== how often does that happen ===== that was a stroke of genius on hindsight ===== recognizing right away the genius in what would become the greatest QB of all time ====== bill does not get enough credit for that
Reid, the picture of health, will be lucky to make it to 2025
@@AsifKhan-hf9zy in hindsight, he likely just did that because Brady was cheaper... He never pivoted off Brady because Kraft wouldn't let him and Brady took pay cuts his entire career but it is well known that Belichick wanted to pivot off Brady for Jimmy G for years
@@nathanroyster1324 whatever pathetic excuses you want to make are all fine ..... but bill belichek worked with TOM BRADY for nineteen years!!! ..... and has six super bowl rings on his fingers to show for it ...... HE COULD have left the patriots if he did nt like Brady, Brady could ve left the patriots if he thought the head coach sucked ...... THEY HAD NINETEEN YEARS to figure that out ...... but they instead WORKED TOGETHER ........ and that is why they have SIX RINGS together .......... duh
@@nathanroyster1324 like, you do realize that nothing was stopping Brady from leaving the patriots and MAKING THE SAME MONEY AND THE SAME RINGS elsewhere starting year 2006 ...... especially since "he was not welcome" by belichek ...... yet he stuck around for another 12 years because?
Why are they forgetting about the rumor mill of him retiring after this year. Andy might not be coaching next year
andy came out and said he has no plans on going anywhere, he is having too much fun
Coaching tree shouldn't come into play. Strictly them as head coaches
its like saying hit ler's father gets credit for what hit ler did.
Reid hasnt got to top3 yet. He didnt do shi really before Paddy except be a regular season wonder
Wildes is like most pats fans holding onto the past. Living in new England so many callers "can't fire Belichick, he's won 6 superbowls" it's a what have you done lately league and Belichick uses that moto his entire career?
when you talk greatess of all time its not about what have you done lately lmao
@@ItsLaforgesmh it’s crazy
everybody starts speaking french about their favorite team. Nick is a chief apparently
It’s gonna be really funny when Mahomes has more rings than Brady and all of sudden Nick is going to say Mahomes is the goat because he has more rings than Brady, when he’s been arguing against count the rings for years for LeBron 😂
I wonder if such "analysts" existed having the same stupid discussions when Billichick was winning his. 6 to 2 is crazy comparison. and no, Andy wont ever surpass Bill.
If Mahomes gets 3 more and Andy is litteraly one 1 behind. I definitely think he’s the goat without a doubt
@@natea3638 then your an idiot.
I agree 💯
@@natea3638 no one is talking about if BB goes to a really good team that might just pull away further from Andy.
BAHAHAHAHAHA Nick trying to act as if it’s close “the doors cracked”’😂😂🙄
fun fact Bill has Seven, he sold me one in 2016 for a bet he lost with me
Wildes is so far ahead of these other two, he may be looking to renegotiate his contract for having to pull them along. They're not as bad and boring as Skip, or SA Smith yet...just like Andy is not as good as Bill!
Could he yes. Will he probably not. But I should say if I’m a player I’d rather have Andy Reid as my coach. He’s still developing players. Bill has already said he has no interest in developing new young talent. As far as I’m concerned he’s refusing to do the main job of any coach.
developing players = ANDY REID = GOAT
winning super bowls = BILL BELICHEK = GOAT
it's not even close right now.
Some players just taken to many hits.. nuff said 😊
There all great i don't see any being better than jommy Johnson but its about 10 coaches that can be the best. The argument really is stupid
Look at the quarterbacks Andy Reid had
Andy has a ring or so with the Packers
Wildes is so wrong on this. Bill has six rings not eight as a head coach
I like Andy Reid more but no he will never be ahead of BB
Wildes point about BB should have 8 not 6 is dumb because Andy won 2 with the packers so it cancels out
1 with GB
When 49ers win 35-24 this will be moot
By this coaching tree logic, bills coaching tree includes Nick Saban. Soooooo
Andy Reid will be long retired or past away if he doesn't lose weight long before he catches Belicheck.
either billichek is the best coach or brady is the best qb.
They bring up who's won without Brady and Mahomes ...But Reid had Mcnabb and T.O for a number of years....In either B-ball or Football if you have 6 and some one has 4 rings you can't just overleap ..That's Nick's stupid argument of Jordan and James and he's using the same take here. Dude needs to get off TV
Andy Reid never recorded people’s Practices. This is worst then steroids in the MLB hall of fame debate. *Bill Belicheat.
Wilde's attempt at jinxing Mahomes & Chiefs by jumping on KC,s bandwagon last Season.
Lol..now? Reid has 3 and counting....
LeBrick will never match Jordan. He isn't top 5.
Idk where Andy will land.
To not include Bills record as a DC is nuts. Bill is unequivocally the greatest coach in all of sports. 8 championship rings can not be denied
@lucascrane164 You wrotte: "Belichick is the greatest coach in all of sports.".
Are you sure of that?
@@sportsretrospective6759 If you take the entirety of his coaching career, not just head coach, I think the championships and wins speak for themselves. Sure he had one of if not the greatest players in sports, but you can't be great at coaching a team sport without some great players.
@@lucascrane164 Oh sure. You need great players. But for me, the greatest head coach in sports history is Scotty Bowman. I don't know if you watch the NHL.
But Bowman was in the Stanley cup finals in his first season as head coach in 1966-67, and in his last, 35 years later (2001-02). He's so far ahead of everyone else. He won 9 Stanley Cups (NHL record), and made the finals 13 times (NHL record).
But the most important thing about Bowman, he changed! In the beginning, he was like Belichick. He was a dictator. But then, he changed. He was willing to adapt his coaching style to the new NHL in the 90s, and 2000s.
Reid has a Super Bowl ring with the Packers and 2 with the Chiefs. 3 guys, not 2.
Oh, then Bill has 8.
@@POWPOW-rn5uq right, thats how dumb they are. BB has 4 more w/o as just coaches, if we count reid for 3, BB has 8, 5 more. lol
As a bulls fan I’m one of the Popovich people. I believe he’s better than Phil.
What if Andy Reid had Brady for 20 years
What if BB had Greenbay or Eagles to work with?
@@scottadkins918 he would trade away all their best draft picks for shitty picks bc he is the "genius" and eventually the teams would be loaded with talentless pedestrians with the exception of maybe 1 or 2 fall out of the sky lucky draft picks like Brady was.
"What if Andy Reid had Brady for 20 years"
its possible Andy too would have nine super bowl appearances, yes.
Brady and great coach = nine super bowls
great coach without Brady = three super bowls?
@@AsifKhan-hf9zy no if Reed had Brady for that long Brady and Reed would probably have 10 rings...I guarantee Belichick wouldn't have won any superbowls with Pats without Brady just for the simple fact that he would have been fired long ago if Brady never fell into his lap
@@JB-mo1sw Brady did nt "fall into his lap" ha ha ha ha........ what a moronic thing to say ....... Bill DISCOVERED BRADY, when 31 other teams looked right pass him ........ remember, it was Bill who dumped his STAR MULTI MILLION dollar franchise QB Drew Bledsoe in his prime and bet all his horses on a rookie Brady starting 2002 ......... i saw an interview where Bill says that Brady was on the roster in 2000 because BILL saw something in Brady that others missed and everybody in the org thought it was a wasted roster spot ..... but of course hindsight is 20/20 and who knows what the actual truth was back then in 2000 inside the organization regarding Brady
Denial Wilde's lol....Bellichick without Brady=Losing seasons...Tom Brady and Adam Vinatieri won those games. Tom goes to Bucs.. and wins against KC, Reid, Mahomes in SB with.... BRUCE ARIAN...this coming from a lifetime KC FAN....the Tampa Bay game was so upsetting. Whooped from start
No ones gonna say it. But all nick is doing is proving that Brady is truly the goat. Man had a coach that was shit without him and mahomes has a goat coach
can you listen to what you are saying. you realize that comment is just stupid. cus BB had TB12 its all TB!2, but cus andy has mahomes, it all andy. lmbo
@@scottadkins918 its not stupid. If you watch the video you will see BB is a losing coach without Brady. Andy Reid is still a winning Coach without Mahomes. That proves Brady has played his whole career with a losing coach and Mahomes gets to play with a great head coach
@@DMcnabb5You know ball
sorry but nick never knows what he is talking about
When did Reid get a ring before mahomes never
ooooooohhhh must be because it was all mahomes, huh? we can turn this around on the BB haters, couldnt we?
andy reid got 1 in GB with Farve
Andy not better then Bill Walsh at this point stop the bill Walsh disrespect
Therir is no such thing as the best of all time….untill time itself stops
AR and PM will never win another ring
I get wildes frustration it’s obviously bill bellicheck is the goat !dispite the last 4 years and that’s says a lot cause he’s still the goat by a mile. Bill is the goat but if I’m bill i retire cause he’s only hurting himself at this point and the patriots. Nick trying to say Andy Reid is the goat is a joke . Good coach but goat? Hell no
Paul brown is the greatest coach ever
Guess Wildes thinks Jordan isn’t the GOAT then yeah? All that matters is the rings?
Andy will add another couple SB rings before he retires and at that point he’ll be the GOAT.
6 vs 4 is close enough for the ‘bloodbath’ of the record of no Brady vs no Mahomes years to mean something.
That BS debate. its more like sucky browns vs eagles all those years. Andy has a better team to always work with, walk into