I rarely make comments on videos (which is weird since I’m also a UA-camr), but I’ve been watching your videos for some time now and I wanted to let you know that you have a great channel. No one is doing it like LEAD and I really hope you keep this up, I’ve learned so much from you. I’ve even picked up a Mini 2 because of you and although I haven’t been able to accomplish what I want from it, just watching you work through the motions actually provides me confidence that I will get there eventually. By the way, I commend you on your method of not editing out your failed scans, many people try to get it perfect for the viewer but showing us that you too need to a few tries actually installs more confidence than if you’d get everything perfect and in one go. I look forward to more of your videos! If I can make a request, I’d definitely like to see a video where you scan something medium sized but complex or oddly shaped. I’m especially having issues when the parts are juuust too large to fit in the 3D scanners’ frame, therefore might require multiple scans then stitching). In any case, keep it up! Great work!!
Thanks for the comment! Yeah its true when you just see a perfect scan it can be easy to think you are doing something wrong and someone else just knows how to work it. With time it will come! I will certainly be doing more with the mini2. The next video on the list will be looking at the mini2 vs the Miraco a bit more and that is where those larger objects will come into play. In Part 2 of this series when we process the mesh I do talk about mesh alignment a bit (even though we got it all in a single scan here), but will certainly put something bigger on the list.
Thanks! Yeah ive made the baby powder/isopropyl spray before and found that it wasn't nearly as consistent of a surface finish as the true spray. Works for sure.
Again many thanks -this and your previous detailed instructions are extraordinary helpful for me. I just know one guy on you tube who makes also excellent videos in the same unexcited way as you.I am looking forward to the sequel🙏
Great video as always but here’s what I really love about it… I just learned that you are a dirtbike guy… Probably riding a KTM 300 so that makes you most likely an off-road dude. And totally an engineer given that 314 is probably your nod to pi. and most likely making good use of a mechanical engineering degree as a young guy having fun in and out of work. I love it. I was that exact guy 20 years ago.😎
Right on most of those points :) im in my 40s so not sure "young" qualifies. and i have a ktm 250xc and a 450 sxf. raced a little supermoto and ride off road and mx when i can.
I'll be looking forward to the rest of these videos. I've got an Einstar that I pretty much gave up on. Getting decent quality scans, especially of smaller parts, is very difficult. It's almost always faster to measure and draw in CAD instead. Ever design anything with OpenSCAD? Some videos on that would be excellent.
Sorry to hear that! The Einstar is a great scanner, but not really for smaller stuff. I think it has .2mm accuracy vs the mini2 at .02. Great for bigger things like cars, but for smaller detailed parts +- .2mm for a 2.5mm hole can be off by a good bit. I do have some videos on the ExScan software as i did the series with a Pro HD scanner. Shining tweaks the scan software a bit for each scanner but might help with the general settings in the software ua-cam.com/video/Ft9qTVCMwC4/v-deo.htmlsi=bCMPwgzcbrsTAZzG
Thanks! The paper is used to help with tracking. As the scanner is capturing it is getting millions of points across many frames. Lets say 15 frames each second and lets just say a million points each frame. As the part is moving on a turntable OR as the user is moving the scanner, the software needs to try and keep track of the last frame and the next one and do some quick alignment based on the points as well as the internal IMU that is used to measure the roll/pitch/yaw of the scanner. When you have rounded parts or parts that don't have a lot of unique features you end up getting some wildly innacurate results. The crumpled paper or anything that is unique that the scanner can use to help with that alignment will improve the scan.
Not really. So in Part 2 when we get to process the scan data I actually rescanned with the lights off. I have Hexlights on my garage ceiling and they are great but a little bit less light certainly helps. Basically what happens is the surfaces of the scans just are a little bit "fuzzy". Revoscan can still average it out but if you are trying to get as accurate as possible you just want to be mindful of how much ambient light you have in your area.
Really really looking forward to the subsequent parts. I figured out the scanning part, but i really feel like there HAS to be a better 3D Scan mesh clean-up to fusion 360 to solid workflow that i must be missing.....
Still editing but they will be coming out soon! The workflow is tough sadly but there are a few ways, which we have covered in other videos. You are either trying to replicate the part you scanned, create a new version based on the scan, or designing a part to fit the scan. Once you have that narrowed down then it comes to forms based design or solid/surfaces. The big thing still missing from Revoscan to Fusion is an alignment..... One trick is that the first frame of your scan IS your alignment so if it could be at a certain orientation that makes sense you can do that. There is also a workflow where you can sent the points from revoscan to meshlab, work on it there, then back into revoscan. but the alignment is still the trick sadly. The RC part has a flat plane on bottom and some straight edges which help, and we use mesh section sketches as parallel references for this part. I wish there was a one size fits all. Paid software like Geomagic have nice alignment tools and preprocessing options but even essentials is $$$. hard to justify when you are talking about $500-$1500 scanner prices.
i'm kind of at a loss. You are a great teacher and your video is on point. i cannot get a clear green scan. I'm following your directions and I'm using the pop3 but my best scan isn't even as nice as your worst. I really wish I could figure out where I'm messing up. I've watched this video in its entirety 3 times, with a lot of pauses and I still don't know what I'm doing wrong. Any additional advise or pointers would be appreciated.
What are you scanning with it? Scan spray does make a big difference. The sample clay busts they send out are like the ideal surface color/texture to scan but most parts we actually want to scan are far from perfect. If your scans are getting a lot of waves in them its probably based on angle of the scanner combined with distance and speed. Optimal distance and angle make a big difference.
Well the series is already filmed and mostly edited so sadly no. Plasticity doesn't have a way to use a mesh file yet so it really doesn't fit this application yet. You can import a mesh but its just a reference. In the future when we have tools to snap to a mesh 100% I will make a video on it :)
In Part 2 we process the scan and part 3 we design. We are using the scan data as a starting point and don't make the scan solid fyi. We use mesh section sketches to get references for edges and use that as a starting point.
Hi Matt, is there any chance you have a video guide for aligning 2 3d scans with each other? I want to take a scan of my motorcycle, mostly just around the airbox and top of the engine, including a bit of the frame, but then I want to do another scan of the bike with the fuel tank installed. so I can align them in fusion and design a fuel cell that will fit around the airbox and still be inside the profile of the tank (which will later be replaced with a tank cover) the modelling side of things I'm fine with, but I've only just gotten my 3d scanner and have no idea how to align 2 scans so they fit together correctly. any tips? thanks!
Hey there, which scanner are you using? That will determine how feasible it is to do(well the scanner software). Is it a revopoint scanner, creality, shining or something else.
Thank you for the great video Iwill follow this series 🙂 do you know what is the minimum processor ,graphic card and ram on the laptop/pc you need for prossesing the scan so you dont need to wait a couple of hours😅
Yeah I will say that capturing to my laptop, even an old one, is fine, but as soon as you start processing you really do want a bit more power. Revopoint says at minimum 16GB ram, a dedicated Gcard and at least an i7 chipset. You "could" still work with 7gb and a i5 processor but i find that a better gcard, 32gb+ and a processor that can boost around 5ghz really helps. My laptop is an older i7 with 64gb ram and a quadro p4000 card, but the system is tired and i prefer to work on a newer desktop. My current desktop is running an i7-10700k cpu which is 3.8ghz but has the "boost" which helps during processing. Running 32gb ram and an Nvidia RTX A4000. I haven't had much trouble processing with that system.
Wow that is a bummer! Technically you can "align" in MeshMixer. This was an autodesk supported program but they dropped it in 2021. You can still download it and use it but there are no patches/updates since then. meshmixer.com/ Shining3D mesh software exscan has xyz alignmen as do tools like Geomagic. What i have done in fusion is generate planes off the mesh and measure how far it is off and rotate/move. You can do this with mesh section sketches to get the center of a revolved section as well. Not a great solution but workable. ua-cam.com/video/82vD7YSKIAo/v-deo.htmlsi=qtSAxacY_q341lAM
what types of things do you want to scan? There are a lot of scanners on the market. If you are looking to get rough approximations of objects you can do it with a lot of tools, but generally the money spent buys you speed and accuracy. Something like Lidar on your phone might be good for +- .5 to 1mm on an object the size of a mug. Scanners in the few hundred dollar range (INSPIRE and POP series are are in the $400-$500 range). will generally get you around .05mm. The mini2 gets you around .02mm accuracy. You can take a bunch of pictures and upload them to a photogrammetry site/app but aside from a rough approximation you won't be designing any parts off it.
@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign I'm personally interested in more the "negative" scan side of what you're working on. i.e. scan a portion of an engine bay to design a part that fits a specific cavity or space. I was mostly curious about no-to-low cost options to get started with before fully committing to a dedicated scan tool.
@@Pags222 Yeah that is tough. If you want to try a free option first then you can try photogrammetry or lidar on a phone. You aren't going to get accurate motor mount locations but that might get you close enough to say see if a motor fits or to design something like intercooler piping and placement. One big snag you will run into is what colors scan best. When scanning something that is either absorbing light or reflecting light you pretty much get trash back. Some lower end scanners can do ok with colors like the CR scan ferret, but offer much lower detail and you are still are looking to spend several hundred dollars. So yeah id look at free photogrammetry tools first and see what might work for you before buying a scanner.
Sweet! Solidworks gave that one to me a long time ago when i was at Solidworks World :) That chassis has seen better days as i've jumped it off a lot of stuff :) I have to work on another scanner video next week and ill see what I can do about the multi scan stuff. Generally when you would do that with say an Einstar, you would want to use marker/hybrid alignment and have some reference markers on the frame or somewhere that is visible with and without the tank. It needs at least 3 points of contact on unique geometry to make that work. I will say that personally i haven't tried to do it in the revoscan software yet but have done it in other software so ill need to play a bit to see the nuances of making it work.
@LearnEverythingAboutDesign it looks like a traxis rc truck if I'm not mistaken? That's awesome, any advice it help you can offer will be super handy. I won't actually be doing the scan for at least a couple weeks as I'm waiting on my new laptop to arrive and I don't feel like moving my desktop to the workshop 😁
I rarely make comments on videos (which is weird since I’m also a UA-camr), but I’ve been watching your videos for some time now and I wanted to let you know that you have a great channel. No one is doing it like LEAD and I really hope you keep this up, I’ve learned so much from you.
I’ve even picked up a Mini 2 because of you and although I haven’t been able to accomplish what I want from it, just watching you work through the motions actually provides me confidence that I will get there eventually.
By the way, I commend you on your method of not editing out your failed scans, many people try to get it perfect for the viewer but showing us that you too need to a few tries actually installs more confidence than if you’d get everything perfect and in one go.
I look forward to more of your videos! If I can make a request, I’d definitely like to see a video where you scan something medium sized but complex or oddly shaped. I’m especially having issues when the parts are juuust too large to fit in the 3D scanners’ frame, therefore might require multiple scans then stitching).
In any case, keep it up! Great work!!
Thanks for the comment! Yeah its true when you just see a perfect scan it can be easy to think you are doing something wrong and someone else just knows how to work it. With time it will come!
I will certainly be doing more with the mini2. The next video on the list will be looking at the mini2 vs the Miraco a bit more and that is where those larger objects will come into play.
In Part 2 of this series when we process the mesh I do talk about mesh alignment a bit (even though we got it all in a single scan here), but will certainly put something bigger on the list.
I have a revopoint range and a ton of scans, accurate scaling is an interesting point, can't wait for the rest of the series
Great video Matt! I love these functional use videos, bringing it all together!
Thanks Austin!!
will follow this! this channel is pure gold. I've used baby powder instead of spray before and it works nicely too, I imagine chalk dust too
Thanks! Yeah ive made the baby powder/isopropyl spray before and found that it wasn't nearly as consistent of a surface finish as the true spray. Works for sure.
Again many thanks -this and your previous detailed instructions are extraordinary helpful for me. I just know one guy on you tube who makes also excellent videos in the same unexcited way as you.I am looking forward to the sequel🙏
Thanks :) Not sure how i feel about "unexcited" but ill take it haha.
Great idea Matt
Thanks!
Great video as always but here’s what I really love about it… I just learned that you are a dirtbike guy… Probably riding a KTM 300 so that makes you most likely an off-road dude. And totally an engineer given that 314 is probably your nod to pi. and most likely making good use of a mechanical engineering degree as a young guy having fun in and out of work. I love it. I was that exact guy 20 years ago.😎
Right on most of those points :) im in my 40s so not sure "young" qualifies. and i have a ktm 250xc and a 450 sxf. raced a little supermoto and ride off road and mx when i can.
I picked up a couple valuable tips. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
I'll be looking forward to the rest of these videos. I've got an Einstar that I pretty much gave up on. Getting decent quality scans, especially of smaller parts, is very difficult. It's almost always faster to measure and draw in CAD instead. Ever design anything with OpenSCAD? Some videos on that would be excellent.
Sorry to hear that! The Einstar is a great scanner, but not really for smaller stuff. I think it has .2mm accuracy vs the mini2 at .02. Great for bigger things like cars, but for smaller detailed parts +- .2mm for a 2.5mm hole can be off by a good bit.
I do have some videos on the ExScan software as i did the series with a Pro HD scanner. Shining tweaks the scan software a bit for each scanner but might help with the general settings in the software
ua-cam.com/video/Ft9qTVCMwC4/v-deo.htmlsi=bCMPwgzcbrsTAZzG
Really good video. Thanks! Still confused on how the crumpled pieces of paper help the scan.
Thanks! The paper is used to help with tracking. As the scanner is capturing it is getting millions of points across many frames. Lets say 15 frames each second and lets just say a million points each frame. As the part is moving on a turntable OR as the user is moving the scanner, the software needs to try and keep track of the last frame and the next one and do some quick alignment based on the points as well as the internal IMU that is used to measure the roll/pitch/yaw of the scanner. When you have rounded parts or parts that don't have a lot of unique features you end up getting some wildly innacurate results. The crumpled paper or anything that is unique that the scanner can use to help with that alignment will improve the scan.
Very helpful... This will save a lot of people time and nerves.
Would it be beneficial to have a softbox / photo booth with more defused light?
Not really. So in Part 2 when we get to process the scan data I actually rescanned with the lights off. I have Hexlights on my garage ceiling and they are great but a little bit less light certainly helps. Basically what happens is the surfaces of the scans just are a little bit "fuzzy". Revoscan can still average it out but if you are trying to get as accurate as possible you just want to be mindful of how much ambient light you have in your area.
Really really looking forward to the subsequent parts. I figured out the scanning part, but i really feel like there HAS to be a better 3D Scan mesh clean-up to fusion 360 to solid workflow that i must be missing.....
Still editing but they will be coming out soon! The workflow is tough sadly but there are a few ways, which we have covered in other videos. You are either trying to replicate the part you scanned, create a new version based on the scan, or designing a part to fit the scan. Once you have that narrowed down then it comes to forms based design or solid/surfaces.
The big thing still missing from Revoscan to Fusion is an alignment..... One trick is that the first frame of your scan IS your alignment so if it could be at a certain orientation that makes sense you can do that. There is also a workflow where you can sent the points from revoscan to meshlab, work on it there, then back into revoscan. but the alignment is still the trick sadly.
The RC part has a flat plane on bottom and some straight edges which help, and we use mesh section sketches as parallel references for this part. I wish there was a one size fits all. Paid software like Geomagic have nice alignment tools and preprocessing options but even essentials is $$$. hard to justify when you are talking about $500-$1500 scanner prices.
i'm kind of at a loss. You are a great teacher and your video is on point. i cannot get a clear green scan. I'm following your directions and I'm using the pop3 but my best scan isn't even as nice as your worst. I really wish I could figure out where I'm messing up. I've watched this video in its entirety 3 times, with a lot of pauses and I still don't know what I'm doing wrong. Any additional advise or pointers would be appreciated.
What are you scanning with it? Scan spray does make a big difference. The sample clay busts they send out are like the ideal surface color/texture to scan but most parts we actually want to scan are far from perfect. If your scans are getting a lot of waves in them its probably based on angle of the scanner combined with distance and speed. Optimal distance and angle make a big difference.
uh cool
If possible for the next part can you compare Fusion with Plasticity?
Well the series is already filmed and mostly edited so sadly no. Plasticity doesn't have a way to use a mesh file yet so it really doesn't fit this application yet. You can import a mesh but its just a reference. In the future when we have tools to snap to a mesh 100% I will make a video on it :)
Great but I need the part 2 please
Same bro! Need to see how you work on fusion to make it a solid!
In Part 2 we process the scan and part 3 we design. We are using the scan data as a starting point and don't make the scan solid fyi. We use mesh section sketches to get references for edges and use that as a starting point.
Great , hope to see the next parts soon 👍💕
@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign then I’ll wait for part 😁 but yeah I’ll definitely watch part 2 😜
Hi Matt, is there any chance you have a video guide for aligning 2 3d scans with each other? I want to take a scan of my motorcycle, mostly just around the airbox and top of the engine, including a bit of the frame, but then I want to do another scan of the bike with the fuel tank installed. so I can align them in fusion and design a fuel cell that will fit around the airbox and still be inside the profile of the tank (which will later be replaced with a tank cover) the modelling side of things I'm fine with, but I've only just gotten my 3d scanner and have no idea how to align 2 scans so they fit together correctly. any tips? thanks!
Hey there, which scanner are you using? That will determine how feasible it is to do(well the scanner software). Is it a revopoint scanner, creality, shining or something else.
@LearnEverythingAboutDesign thanks for the quick reply, it's a creality otter
Thank you for the great video Iwill follow this series 🙂 do you know what is the minimum processor ,graphic card and ram on the laptop/pc you need for prossesing the scan so you dont need to wait a couple of hours😅
Yeah I will say that capturing to my laptop, even an old one, is fine, but as soon as you start processing you really do want a bit more power. Revopoint says at minimum 16GB ram, a dedicated Gcard and at least an i7 chipset. You "could" still work with 7gb and a i5 processor but i find that a better gcard, 32gb+ and a processor that can boost around 5ghz really helps. My laptop is an older i7 with 64gb ram and a quadro p4000 card, but the system is tired and i prefer to work on a newer desktop. My current desktop is running an i7-10700k cpu which is 3.8ghz but has the "boost" which helps during processing. Running 32gb ram and an Nvidia RTX A4000. I haven't had much trouble processing with that system.
I was just talking to the wife about buying a 3D scanner.
the zeiss software is not accesible anymore sadly. How can I align my scans to the XYZ axes?
Wow that is a bummer! Technically you can "align" in MeshMixer. This was an autodesk supported program but they dropped it in 2021. You can still download it and use it but there are no patches/updates since then. meshmixer.com/
Shining3D mesh software exscan has xyz alignmen as do tools like Geomagic. What i have done in fusion is generate planes off the mesh and measure how far it is off and rotate/move. You can do this with mesh section sketches to get the center of a revolved section as well. Not a great solution but workable.
ua-cam.com/video/82vD7YSKIAo/v-deo.htmlsi=qtSAxacY_q341lAM
What about scanning for those of us who don't have or want to spend $1000 on a scanner and accessories?
what types of things do you want to scan? There are a lot of scanners on the market. If you are looking to get rough approximations of objects you can do it with a lot of tools, but generally the money spent buys you speed and accuracy. Something like Lidar on your phone might be good for +- .5 to 1mm on an object the size of a mug. Scanners in the few hundred dollar range (INSPIRE and POP series are are in the $400-$500 range). will generally get you around .05mm. The mini2 gets you around .02mm accuracy.
You can take a bunch of pictures and upload them to a photogrammetry site/app but aside from a rough approximation you won't be designing any parts off it.
@@LearnEverythingAboutDesign I'm personally interested in more the "negative" scan side of what you're working on. i.e. scan a portion of an engine bay to design a part that fits a specific cavity or space. I was mostly curious about no-to-low cost options to get started with before fully committing to a dedicated scan tool.
@@Pags222 Yeah that is tough. If you want to try a free option first then you can try photogrammetry or lidar on a phone. You aren't going to get accurate motor mount locations but that might get you close enough to say see if a motor fits or to design something like intercooler piping and placement.
One big snag you will run into is what colors scan best. When scanning something that is either absorbing light or reflecting light you pretty much get trash back. Some lower end scanners can do ok with colors like the CR scan ferret, but offer much lower detail and you are still are looking to spend several hundred dollars.
So yeah id look at free photogrammetry tools first and see what might work for you before buying a scanner.
I think I have the same rc truck😅
Sweet! Solidworks gave that one to me a long time ago when i was at Solidworks World :) That chassis has seen better days as i've jumped it off a lot of stuff :)
I have to work on another scanner video next week and ill see what I can do about the multi scan stuff. Generally when you would do that with say an Einstar, you would want to use marker/hybrid alignment and have some reference markers on the frame or somewhere that is visible with and without the tank. It needs at least 3 points of contact on unique geometry to make that work. I will say that personally i haven't tried to do it in the revoscan software yet but have done it in other software so ill need to play a bit to see the nuances of making it work.
@LearnEverythingAboutDesign it looks like a traxis rc truck if I'm not mistaken?
That's awesome, any advice it help you can offer will be super handy.
I won't actually be doing the scan for at least a couple weeks as I'm waiting on my new laptop to arrive and I don't feel like moving my desktop to the workshop 😁
@@dan5her Its a Team Associated RC10T.