Thanks so much for this guide, helped fill the gaps Discord and written guides couldn't fill. I have your plater profile from Discord, what package is the WA group under your energy bar that is track splatter and scent etc. I need it when I get home from work!
I feel like you mentioned it somewhere but I can't find it. How did you set it up in plater so that your bleeds get that yellow border when they enter pandemic range?
Appreciate this video again! Great content. Two questions though: 1. My packs in +20s die so quickly that it is usually not worth it to refresh bleeds. Would you recommend going for caustic splatter damage near the end of the pack? 2. Would it not be handy to have a weakaura that counts the amount of garrote and ruptures out?
I know the ironwire bit was mentioned but what about MA? Is it super necessary to play or could that be swapped to like flying dagger for extra fok damage?
the damage on MA, especially during shadow dance windows, is pretty good. But you can drop it for a minor dps loss if you want to for the utility of flying daggers or something, yes
if you dont care about losing a bit of ST/boss damage, and you find yourself using vanish a lot for reapplying bleeds anyway(instead of using it for the last 3-4 sec of KB), its not really a big deal. The main value in MA comes from using it to juice the end of KB(when KB is at its strongest) to do big prio dmg and big splatter cleave, but it is a bit more of a min-max/advanced thing to worry about.
@@Handcannon77 Yea that was exactly my thought process. I assumed I would be using my vanish in M+ mostly for bleed reappy situations if I can’t Restealth instead of to juice KB and so I figured I could maybe swap MA for something else if I’m not going to be using it for it’s main purpose in juicing KB like in ST build. Thanks for the reply!
Question, would you say it's important to track amp/deadly poison on nameplates? I'm trying to help my boomer brain out a bit and reduce nameplate clutter and I'm curious how much you really track and play around those.
Can someone pls tell me how to make Rupture on plater have yellow borders only after 10seconds? Would make my day ❤ Thx again whíspyr, i've been able to manage 70+ assassination parses, just by watching only your videos and guides!
uh, I could, but it's going to be very very short I'm going to be honest. My deathmark has potion macro'd to it, and I have a mouseover macro for my tricks of the trade, and that's really it, the rest is just PTR testing nonsense
I see you have a Mutilate/Ambush Macro and Mutilate on an extra bind. Is there a scenario where you need an extra binding for mutilate or ambush or can I go with only the macro?
What's the addon that shows in the health plates when garrote/rupture/crimson tempest are falling off? the frames that become yellow (sorry for bad explanation)
personally i wish they had changed crimson tempest to just a AOE application of rupture., and just replaced carnage with something else. allowing us to just do other things spatter, envenoms etc.
I think it's fine at 2 additional honestly. Would be a bit smoother if we weren't trying to also cram Kingsbane into Shadow Dance, but I think overall it's perfectly fine as is
If i drop tea to get range and really want to keep the 10%leech, how much dämäge do i lose? In theory, range can increase dmg every now and then... so... How expensive is tea withput getting echo?
I was wondering the same and checked in one of the sims that whispyr shared in one of his previous videos and dropping just tea for acro was around a 17k dps los IIRC. I really want that increased aoe since it plays so smooth with it but god damn the dps loss hurts if you wanna get it ^^
I noticed that you don't end up using Shiv during the "General" rotation (i.e. w/o Cooldowns). Was that intentional as it's not worth, or would you ideally want to use that on Cooldown?
idk damage seems good to me, I was dunking warlocks in keys. Assa is reduced after 5 targets on everything so I guess it scales just as well into 8 target as any other 5-target-reduced spec, it's all square root scaling
I have not tested it in actual keys on ptr since the performance over there is pretty bad for me. However doing some tests on the training dummy I am almost doing the same damage on 5target dummies now as I do on live servers on my sub rogue. I only pushed to 22s this season on my sub but I am top damage in my keys over 90% of the time. So if assa can come close to this damage I wont be complaining especially after what abomination assa was up until 10.1.7. Yes 5target dummy cleave is not directly comparable to what you will actually be doing in keys but even being able to somewhat compete to sub is a godsent. On live my peak assa burst dps is lower than my regular sub rogue dps without cooldowns. So even being able to be compared to other classes is a big W for assa :D
very worth it, it's a large part of your damage. When you're target swapping all over the place to cast bleeds it's a little tricky, but if you aren't swapping every 3 seconds, caustic is prio #1
@@whispyr5793 yea lot of bladestorming mobs like in bracken can only be safely hit with that range. I wonder how much of that is in the new M+ dungeons. Im not familiar with them
sorry you feel like that. I don't quite understand how it's more busy work when carnage exists and caustic enables all your single target cooldowns to cleave, but I'm personally a big fan
We appreciate you making the videos. Rogue youtube is a lifeless desert.
we out here tryin
Not while whispyr is in here!
Some might say,
They are invisible!
OK sry
Things just look so much smoother now, I love it. And I'm so happy that Kingsbane is back in a big way.
have been considering switching from outlaw to sin and i think this sold me! thanks !
Hope you enjoy it!
Started rogue in 10.2 (different character every patch) your vids are 🤌🤌
Awesome content, once again man. Really appreciate the effort you put into these vids. Best of luck with the guide writing o7. Cheers!
I have officially decided on rogue over Enh as of a week ago as my new main. WIth Sin being my primary interest. I'm all in on Whispyr content now.
Haha did the same choice yesterday
447 enhancement. CE and KSH
Trading all that for my 427 sin rogue baby
@@cwhit2575 Same story of swapping off my 446 CE Lock. Respect.
aww yiss! a new Whíspyr video, very informative!
Glad you liked it
Enjoy the work you're doing, take your time :D
thank you :) I hope you guys enjoy the written guides just as much
Great content again , much appreciated , enjoy your break 😊
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Absolutely love this!! 😎
Thanks so much for this guide, helped fill the gaps Discord and written guides couldn't fill. I have your plater profile from Discord, what package is the WA group under your energy bar that is track splatter and scent etc. I need it when I get home from work!
that's all in my afenar edit, wago.io/p/whispyr
Hi very nice video.
I have a question, how do you get the yellow square around the bleeds that are going to fade, on the ennemies healthbars?
that would be a plater mod for pandemic glow
What’s your addons that help you maintain the buffs above the target dummies?
just plater
I feel like you mentioned it somewhere but I can't find it. How did you set it up in plater so that your bleeds get that yellow border when they enter pandemic range?
it's a script for pandemic, can find it on wago
Appreciate this video again! Great content.
Two questions though:
1. My packs in +20s die so quickly that it is usually not worth it to refresh bleeds. Would you recommend going for caustic splatter damage near the end of the pack?
2. Would it not be handy to have a weakaura that counts the amount of garrote and ruptures out?
1. sure why not as long as you have the energy
2. probably not
Thank you
You're welcome!
really debating on coming back for m+ the spec looks alot more playable now. Glad it got more aoe besides the bleeds
It’s pretty good honestly caustic is crazy
@whispyr5793 yea, glad I came back it's a lot better now. I sure do miss long arms though. I'm sorry healers I don't mean to stand in the aoe
I know the ironwire bit was mentioned but what about MA? Is it super necessary to play or could that be swapped to like flying dagger for extra fok damage?
the damage on MA, especially during shadow dance windows, is pretty good. But you can drop it for a minor dps loss if you want to for the utility of flying daggers or something, yes
great question btw
if you dont care about losing a bit of ST/boss damage, and you find yourself using vanish a lot for reapplying bleeds anyway(instead of using it for the last 3-4 sec of KB), its not really a big deal. The main value in MA comes from using it to juice the end of KB(when KB is at its strongest) to do big prio dmg and big splatter cleave, but it is a bit more of a min-max/advanced thing to worry about.
@@whispyr5793 thanks whisp for your videos!!
@@Handcannon77 Yea that was exactly my thought process. I assumed I would be using my vanish in M+ mostly for bleed reappy situations if I can’t Restealth instead of to juice KB and so I figured I could maybe swap MA for something else if I’m not going to be using it for it’s main purpose in juicing KB like in ST build. Thanks for the reply!
Question, would you say it's important to track amp/deadly poison on nameplates? I'm trying to help my boomer brain out a bit and reduce nameplate clutter and I'm curious how much you really track and play around those.
should be okay to drop for the most part. Some niche situations but nothing crazy
Whispyr can you post your weakarua for sin?
wago.io/p/whispyr
Can someone pls tell me how to make Rupture on plater have yellow borders only after 10seconds? Would make my day ❤
Thx again whíspyr, i've been able to manage 70+ assassination parses, just by watching only your videos and guides!
it's a script you can add, can see it in my plater profile under wago.io/p/whispyr
Where can i get ur UI? Specifically those nameplates with poison duration. Thanks
wago.io/p/whispyr
Hey Whispyr can you make a guide on what macros you use or have on your bars
uh, I could, but it's going to be very very short I'm going to be honest. My deathmark has potion macro'd to it, and I have a mouseover macro for my tricks of the trade, and that's really it, the rest is just PTR testing nonsense
I see you have a Mutilate/Ambush Macro and Mutilate on an extra bind. Is there a scenario where you need an extra binding for mutilate or ambush or can I go with only the macro?
not a macro, that's blindside
What's the addon that shows in the health plates when garrote/rupture/crimson tempest are falling off? the frames that become yellow (sorry for bad explanation)
That’s my plater
personally i wish they had changed crimson tempest to just a AOE application of rupture., and just replaced carnage with something else. allowing us to just do other things spatter, envenoms etc.
that would super take away from the multi-dotting aspect of the rotation, can't say I agree I'm afraid, but it's a neat idea
What do you think about lovering the number of target Indiscriminate applies to ?
I think it's fine at 2 additional honestly. Would be a bit smoother if we weren't trying to also cram Kingsbane into Shadow Dance, but I think overall it's perfectly fine as is
Do you think it’s worth to track deadly and amp poison with all the buffs to track on nameplates?
I track deadly just to make sure I have poisons on everything but realistically you probably don’t need to track it, no
If i drop tea to get range and really want to keep the 10%leech, how much dämäge do i lose? In theory, range can increase dmg every now and then... so...
How expensive is tea withput getting echo?
getting leeching AND acro is probably like 3-5% loss
@@whispyr5793 how can tea be so strong... sigh....
Think i take the loss.
Wsit shadowmelt does it work to proc ic?
I was wondering the same and checked in one of the sims that whispyr shared in one of his previous videos and dropping just tea for acro was around a 17k dps los IIRC.
I really want that increased aoe since it plays so smooth with it but god damn the dps loss hurts if you wanna get it ^^
turns out having more energy and some mastery is pretty good damage, and leeching is uh... not damage :P
I noticed that you don't end up using Shiv during the "General" rotation (i.e. w/o Cooldowns). Was that intentional as it's not worth, or would you ideally want to use that on Cooldown?
you'd line it up with kingsbane/deathmark
Makes sense!
Do you mouse over to spread the bleeds or you rely on the smart spread?
I don't use mouse-over's, I just tab target everything but I guess you could
may i ask how much haste you have with the gearsetup shown in the video?
no clue, I don't really look at my stats ever and my gear on ptr is just thrown together new tier bonus + new trinkets
Can you share your plater settings ?
wago.io/p/whispyr
i have a question im rly struglin with my energy, i do the same rotation but energy is gone
more dots
Do you share things like your weakauras or plater profile?
wago.io/p/Whispyr all here
@@whispyr5793 Ty kind soul
are you able to provide a link to addon/skin you use for your plates?
wago.io/p/Whispyr
my entire ui is public on wago
The rotation looks so fun but the dmg is just so low on 5 targets compared to other classes even in 10.1.7. How does it scale into 8-12 targets?
idk damage seems good to me, I was dunking warlocks in keys.
Assa is reduced after 5 targets on everything so I guess it scales just as well into 8 target as any other 5-target-reduced spec, it's all square root scaling
I have not tested it in actual keys on ptr since the performance over there is pretty bad for me.
However doing some tests on the training dummy I am almost doing the same damage on 5target dummies now as I do on live servers on my sub rogue. I only pushed to 22s this season on my sub but I am top damage in my keys over 90% of the time. So if assa can come close to this damage I wont be complaining especially after what abomination assa was up until 10.1.7.
Yes 5target dummy cleave is not directly comparable to what you will actually be doing in keys but even being able to somewhat compete to sub is a godsent.
On live my peak assa burst dps is lower than my regular sub rogue dps without cooldowns. So even being able to be compared to other classes is a big W for assa :D
how worth is maintaining caustic outside of cds?
very worth it, it's a large part of your damage. When you're target swapping all over the place to cast bleeds it's a little tricky, but if you aren't swapping every 3 seconds, caustic is prio #1
im finding keeping my dots up very difficult.
keep practicing!
Got 0 haste on PTR, Single Target is a pain than. Will it get better with around 1000 or 2000 haste? 😅
haste does not significantly impact the speed of the rotation
But the energy management. no chance to keep up envenom and set bonus...@@whispyr5793
is there new embellishments for sin?
sporecloak is new, but we're probably still running boots
do we really have to lose the melee range talent for assassin in M+?
I mean you can take it at a dps loss if you'd like. Acrobatic Strikes is a very powerful utility point that often gives dps, so the trade off is there
@@whispyr5793 yea lot of bladestorming mobs like in bracken can only be safely hit with that range.
I wonder how much of that is in the new M+ dungeons. Im not familiar with them
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why drop iron wire D:: its so good and fun to see when we gorrote out of stealth and simply silence the target
people fiend for damage a lot, I don't agree with it much
The dps is low my 445 ilvl sub doing more dps kinda sad to see this
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bro I want ur weak aura or addon show garrote tea I want sorry my english bad :D
wago.io/p/whispyr
i cant believe you think this new play style is "Fine" its horrible compare to live. Its way more busy work compared to pre dragonfight without IC
sorry you feel like that. I don't quite understand how it's more busy work when carnage exists and caustic enables all your single target cooldowns to cleave, but I'm personally a big fan
Where loaf
Sorry no loaf :(
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Looks great! Do you have a link to your weakauras and plater ? Thanks heaps
all up on my wago
wago.io/p/Whispyr
might be missing some stuff as I fiddle with it, but will all be up to date for 10.2 when it comes around