Its because its not lol awd is not 4x4 dude no matter how much you want it to be. The bias between front and rear diff is not 50/50 and they have not low range gearing. Wait until you idiots go down something steep and slippery
@@Ga7cun7sSUCK Subies are perfectly 50/50 but yeh no low range no lockers etc. AWD not 4WD I do agree. I wouldn't take our Forester anywhere near where I used to take our Pajero.
@@NathanElcoate sorry mate but they are not 50/50 maybe in a straight line on a sealed road but as soon as one of these wheels spins or turns the system will no longer be a 50/50 split especially when they are being abused like this off road, your basically driving a front wheel drive car when your off road like this in them. the way these complicated Subaru's operate They're designed for tarmac use. Maybe a dirt road. They are not even close to the rally spec awd systems they use in rally spec cars. Even the sti has a different awd system to the forrester.
Amazing vlog guys, I have same 3rd gen and wondered which tyres are you guys running on each SH. Im wanting to keep my 17" inch alloys as mainly on the tarmac. Total admiration from the UK 🇬🇧
What's the mileage (or kilometers) of these 2 cars? I own a Subaru 2012 SH diesel and many people say Subaru diesel have problems with the crankshaft and engine block.
As a subaru owner I can definitely say they are not the real deal, but when you come out of a trail driving one, you leave all the jeep dudes scratching their heads wondering how you made it.
@@daldrete01 All you really need to remember is that a lot of the places people take a "Real 4wd" to are where our parents and their parents would take RWD yank tanks. It's more about driver ability than anything.
The older ones literally had 4WD gearboxes. The newer ones transitioned to AWD, though that big lineup change to AWD began in the early 1990's. The earliest AWD Subaru with a boxer engine was the Subaru Leone RX Turbo, if I'm not mistaken. I got myself a dual-range Subaru gearbox, but it isn't a 4WD. It's a dual-range AWD unit that, while capable, is not a 4WD as it does not have part-time 4WD. It is full-time AWD. I envy those who have an AWD (such as the full-size comfort-oriented Toyota Land Cruisers) with the ability to lock the center differential to make it mechanically operate as a 4WD when selected. All the benefits of AWD but with the capability of 4WD at the flip of a switch.
@@AWDfreak You can swap out the viscous center unit for a DCCD and then you have that exact functionality. Don't forget though, the viscous coupling is one of a kind, it uses heat to lock up, and they lock up fast. I track day my car before and after DCCD, the stock 4kg viscous center in the WRX 5 speed takes less than a second to achieve full lock when my foot was planted sideways through corners, on dirt. That's why they have a tendency to understeer under acceleration, because the front wheels receive drive very readily. Driving the car with the DCCD fully locked isn't that much different to the 4Kg center on dirt, all it really changed was that the car didn't lift off oversteer as readily because the center was staying locked, where with the viscous it'd pretty quickly unlock, allow the front to spin slower than the rear, regain traction and throw the tail around. Easily solved by just throwing the car around under power so the front wheels drag it around.
@@GingerNingerGames you're correct, I seem to have overlooked the fact that the DCCD has all that functionality. I know a DCCD unit can be done in a dual-range, but I'm a bit stubborn and I like the simplicity of upgrading the viscous coupler to maybe an 8kg or 12kg unit for off-road use. Thanks for bringing that up though, I'll have to keep it in mind if I get bored of the viscous coupling center differential.
I was supposed to lower the music volume before uploading but forgot haha. There's not much more to hear other than us guiding each other. If your in any of the Subaru Facebook groups I can send you raw footage if your interested.
Hey mate great video. Just bought my self a 2010 XT same colour. Live in brissy. Hey can I ask what tyres and wheels you have and is that a small lift kit too? Cheers
Hey mate, in the video I had Toyota 86 17 inch wheels painted black. Tyres were Bridgestone dueler d674 mud terrains (would not recommend). 245/65R17 I've got SG Forester XT 16 inch wheels on it now with Maxxis Bravo 771's and it's much nicer to drive on every terrain excluding mud obviously. 245/70R16 now
Turn the volume off... That's what it will sound like. Both cars were quiet, I turned off the sound on interior shots because all you could hear were my keys jingling around.
I have heard that the crank failures were on the earlier euro 4 engines that we never got in Australia. Haven't heard about any failing here yet. Both in the video have 200,000km +
Nice to hear that. There were major problem with failing dual-mass flywheel which eventually snapped the crank and the block was dead. Then there's an unsolvable problem with the block itself. Because it's turbocharged diesel boxer engine, made from aluminum, it tends to bend. Because of material chosen and high compression characteristics, when "heavy feet" usage, sooner the problem may appear. So it's not necessarily the always problem, but rather usage problem. Users often don't care about to cool down the engine and turbo after spiritted driving, full gas when engine is cold, short distance driving, forgot to change the oil in time. That's mainly the sum of European driving habits. Fingers crossed!
@@cyc00000 A lot of "4WDs" don't have lockers or LSDs. Some can't even get them aftermarket, but rear lockers and front LSDs are available for many Subarus nowadays. I'd like to see an armored, manual Crosstrek, with a rear locker and front LSD, tackle the trail in the vid...on mudders.
Most ATs are terrible in mud, but the KO2s actually self-clean the outer lugs better than most ATs. They're better than the old BFG ATs, anyway. ATs can do well in rocks though.
Both have SLO (SubieLiftOz) lifts, 2in front 2.5in rear. Larger tyres. Silver one obviously has snorkel and rear tyre carrier. Dark one has a suretrac rear lsd, swaybar delete. Plus some other bits and pieces. Nothing crazy.
Excellent video showing the incredible capabilities of the fozzies. It would be even better with the engine soundtrack rather than the elevator music. Just saying.
Cheers mate. There's not much to hear, both cars were pretty quiet and I cut out all the bits of us talking. The onboard footage, all you can hear is my keys jingling around so I cut all the audio from that anyways. I have a louder exhaust now so I'll try and make another video without music at some point :)
@@michaelclark3192 how did you not have issues with the gearing given theres no low range? i have a usdm 5mt and have issues with the gearing on steep trails and soft sand
@@jellipig When I had my 05 SG XT manual the extra torque that the car had over the standard NA made up for it, and on steep slow sections I would just clutch kick to get the engine into boost as I had a heavy duty clutch. If I get another Forester I'd consider getting an NA gearbox with the low range on the XT and swapping out to SF 2.0 low range gears as they are much lower ratio to the standard SG and SH low range.
Its a good effort on those tracks that's for sure the problem is when you get to steep slippery sections with no low range gearing it becomes dangerous
Mehn
These guys did more off-roading that most people in Land Cruisers do
I knew Subaru Forester can do a lot but that uphill/downhill riding is insane!
SWEET. People that say foresters aren't real 4wds have never driven one.
I own one. Compared to my Pajero you can't call it a real 4WD sorry.
Its because its not lol awd is not 4x4 dude no matter how much you want it to be. The bias between front and rear diff is not 50/50 and they have not low range gearing. Wait until you idiots go down something steep and slippery
@@Ga7cun7sSUCK Subies are perfectly 50/50 but yeh no low range no lockers etc. AWD not 4WD I do agree. I wouldn't take our Forester anywhere near where I used to take our Pajero.
@@Ga7cun7sSUCK Nice calling people idiots.
@@NathanElcoate sorry mate but they are not 50/50 maybe in a straight line on a sealed road but as soon as one of these wheels spins or turns the system will no longer be a 50/50 split especially when they are being abused like this off road, your basically driving a front wheel drive car when your off road like this in them. the way these complicated Subaru's operate They're designed for tarmac use. Maybe a dirt road. They are not even close to the rally spec awd systems they use in rally spec cars. Even the sti has a different awd system to the forrester.
Great 👍 I bought last week forester
Wow, I did not know my forester can do this.
That’s good 4 wheeling, but terrible music.
This music is baller.
Lose the music and this would be great video
Good tyres make all the difference but these Forester's are so capable!
Hey could you post the specs of the builds? :D
Subaru is subaru, there is no comparison!
Amazing vlog guys, I have same 3rd gen and wondered which tyres are you guys running on each SH. Im wanting to keep my 17" inch alloys as mainly on the tarmac. Total admiration from the UK 🇬🇧
Same 3rd gen too! Have kept stock 17s on BFG's, am also in UK, midlands.
great driving and amazing what you guys do with the subies. But nobody is gonna say anything about the guy with no shoes in the forest?
😂 👍
Hey bud. What rear tire carrier is on that silver Forester
Would be way better without the music...
Nice to watch tough ;-) Thanks
How do you like the diesel foz's? As compared to the xt
Nice work!!! I just got a Foz, happy to see it can tackle this sort of terrain if needed...
What clutch are you running? I feel these aren’t very low geared and have to ride the clutch a lot
Cut the music please
What's the mileage (or kilometers) of these 2 cars? I own a Subaru 2012 SH diesel and many people say Subaru diesel have problems with the crankshaft and engine block.
I have an 2012 SH diesel with now 211.000 kms. Only turbo replaced at 209.000.👍
I love my SH but it really needs a diffock and low range.
People: "Subaru's aren't real 4wd's"
Subaru owners: "Bet"
As a subaru owner I can definitely say they are not the real deal, but when you come out of a trail driving one, you leave all the jeep dudes scratching their heads wondering how you made it.
@@daldrete01 All you really need to remember is that a lot of the places people take a "Real 4wd" to are where our parents and their parents would take RWD yank tanks. It's more about driver ability than anything.
The older ones literally had 4WD gearboxes. The newer ones transitioned to AWD, though that big lineup change to AWD began in the early 1990's. The earliest AWD Subaru with a boxer engine was the Subaru Leone RX Turbo, if I'm not mistaken.
I got myself a dual-range Subaru gearbox, but it isn't a 4WD. It's a dual-range AWD unit that, while capable, is not a 4WD as it does not have part-time 4WD. It is full-time AWD.
I envy those who have an AWD (such as the full-size comfort-oriented Toyota Land Cruisers) with the ability to lock the center differential to make it mechanically operate as a 4WD when selected. All the benefits of AWD but with the capability of 4WD at the flip of a switch.
@@AWDfreak You can swap out the viscous center unit for a DCCD and then you have that exact functionality. Don't forget though, the viscous coupling is one of a kind, it uses heat to lock up, and they lock up fast.
I track day my car before and after DCCD, the stock 4kg viscous center in the WRX 5 speed takes less than a second to achieve full lock when my foot was planted sideways through corners, on dirt. That's why they have a tendency to understeer under acceleration, because the front wheels receive drive very readily.
Driving the car with the DCCD fully locked isn't that much different to the 4Kg center on dirt, all it really changed was that the car didn't lift off oversteer as readily because the center was staying locked, where with the viscous it'd pretty quickly unlock, allow the front to spin slower than the rear, regain traction and throw the tail around. Easily solved by just throwing the car around under power so the front wheels drag it around.
@@GingerNingerGames you're correct, I seem to have overlooked the fact that the DCCD has all that functionality. I know a DCCD unit can be done in a dual-range, but I'm a bit stubborn and I like the simplicity of upgrading the viscous coupler to maybe an 8kg or 12kg unit for off-road use.
Thanks for bringing that up though, I'll have to keep it in mind if I get bored of the viscous coupling center differential.
I never take this route to my local malwart. But is reassuring to see my 2015 fussy XT could in a pinch.
i wouldn't dare take my stock Forry up there. my clutch stinks when i crawl. do u have an auto or reductions gears?
Super! More videO!!!
cool video and cool to see subaru diesels in work. seems they do very good on low rpm there. yh would be nice no music or silent music at least.
Nice mate! What lifts?
Hi im from Boston massachusetts what size of tires you have in your Forester
That's impressive
Slow and steady wins the race 😎👍👍👍👍
I love the car, but the music is anoying
What did you use to lift your Forester?
Do you have a how to video on installing the snorkel
Amazed
Second amazing forester I ever seen. 👍🏿
no mercy
Forester is amazing!
Really wish I bought a diesel turbo instead of a non turbo. What tyres and rims are you running on the silver one? Did you have to get a lift kit?
I want to know the same thing!
Nice video man. Woudl love one with no music to hear them a bit more though :)
I was supposed to lower the music volume before uploading but forgot haha. There's not much more to hear other than us guiding each other. If your in any of the Subaru Facebook groups I can send you raw footage if your interested.
Brilliant! Thanks for this.
Sweet vid, some good drives in there!
Does anyone know the brand of rims on the Silver Forester?
Just stock Subaru 16 inch steelies
@@alexanderphilipgreen Thanks mate
Hey mate great video. Just bought my self a 2010 XT same colour. Live in brissy. Hey can I ask what tyres and wheels you have and is that a small lift kit too?
Cheers
Hey mate, in the video I had Toyota 86 17 inch wheels painted black. Tyres were Bridgestone dueler d674 mud terrains (would not recommend). 245/65R17
I've got SG Forester XT 16 inch wheels on it now with Maxxis Bravo 771's and it's much nicer to drive on every terrain excluding mud obviously. 245/70R16 now
You can check out more on Instagram. awd.action
need locking centre diff
let's see this video with no music.
Turn the volume off... That's what it will sound like. Both cars were quiet, I turned off the sound on interior shots because all you could hear were my keys jingling around.
pretty fire music
That's very impressive guys!
Fingers crossed that you won't have the engine failure like every second one here in Europe...
I have heard that the crank failures were on the earlier euro 4 engines that we never got in Australia. Haven't heard about any failing here yet. Both in the video have 200,000km +
Nice to hear that. There were major problem with failing dual-mass flywheel which eventually snapped the crank and the block was dead. Then there's an unsolvable problem with the block itself. Because it's turbocharged diesel boxer engine, made from aluminum, it tends to bend. Because of material chosen and high compression characteristics, when "heavy feet" usage, sooner the problem may appear. So it's not necessarily the always problem, but rather usage problem. Users often don't care about to cool down the engine and turbo after spiritted driving, full gas when engine is cold, short distance driving, forgot to change the oil in time. That's mainly the sum of European driving habits. Fingers crossed!
Great video, but I sure could do without the offensive music.
Awesome!!
Brilliant! Awesome effort climbing that rutted track!!
great video...
When will you built a SUBARU BAKKIE THAT IS POWERFUL ON MUD
I don't think a Camry or Impala is doing this without damage.
Great cars. What are the specs?
Both would be 2.0L turbo diesel
What model is the snorkel from on the silver foz?
Tienen suspensión reforzada? 😮
Anyone know which track they are going on here?
Please we need a SUBARU BAKKIE we are tired of SUV
The mud made it challenging!
🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🤪🕺🎼
Mate , thanks for vid and good driving there...
2.0l？2.5l?
They're a 2.0D diesel manual 6 speed.
Que motor tiene ? Diésel o gasolina ?
Diésel
gasolina, motor boxer 4 cilindros
Diesel or gasoline better for off-road ?
Дизель лучше ! у него крутящего момента больше ,особенно чувствуется преимущество над бензиновым мотором на подъемах на малой скорости
What a lovely video!
1:34 try doing that in a conventional 4x4 and see how it would go😌
Wouldn't they just engage their lockers and move on?
It would be as simple as taking your foot off the break and letting it crawl. These clutches will be burned to a crisp on these foresters LOL
@@cyc00000 A lot of "4WDs" don't have lockers or LSDs. Some can't even get them aftermarket, but rear lockers and front LSDs are available for many Subarus nowadays.
I'd like to see an armored, manual Crosstrek, with a rear locker and front LSD, tackle the trail in the vid...on mudders.
Legends!
Great video!
Great effort guys,are the subies manual or auto?
They seem to be manual and diesel
A/T's are terrible on mud and rocks
Most ATs are terrible in mud, but the KO2s actually self-clean the outer lugs better than most ATs. They're better than the old BFG ATs, anyway.
ATs can do well in rocks though.
This was fun
What’s the tire size on the black SH Forester?
245/65R17 (29.5 inch). Have since moved down rim size but same diameter tyre, 245/70R16 (29.5 inch)
@@alexanderphilipgreen does it have rolled fenders and fender liners removed?
These definitely need a 4 wheel low option.
what mods are on both?
Both have SLO (SubieLiftOz) lifts, 2in front 2.5in rear. Larger tyres. Silver one obviously has snorkel and rear tyre carrier. Dark one has a suretrac rear lsd, swaybar delete. Plus some other bits and pieces. Nothing crazy.
awful music
Excellent video showing the incredible capabilities of the fozzies. It would be even better with the engine soundtrack rather than the elevator music. Just saying.
elevator music? No elevator music has ever made me get up and dance to videos of japanese crossovers climbing up dirt roads like this!
Cheers mate. There's not much to hear, both cars were pretty quiet and I cut out all the bits of us talking. The onboard footage, all you can hear is my keys jingling around so I cut all the audio from that anyways.
I have a louder exhaust now so I'll try and make another video without music at some point :)
How much lift. What size tires
245/65R17 (29.5 inch)
@@joshkoster2851 omg))
manual?
Yes, all the SH diesels are manual 6 speed.
@@michaelclark3192 how did you not have issues with the gearing given theres no low range? i have a usdm 5mt and have issues with the gearing on steep trails and soft sand
@@jellipig When I had my 05 SG XT manual the extra torque that the car had over the standard NA made up for it, and on steep slow sections I would just clutch kick to get the engine into boost as I had a heavy duty clutch. If I get another Forester I'd consider getting an NA gearbox with the low range on the XT and swapping out to SF 2.0 low range gears as they are much lower ratio to the standard SG and SH low range.
They lost all personality when they brought out this shape
Rubbish fella, this shape has better approach and departure angles as stock than any shape so far... period
This is the best shape in my opinion
horrible lol
Good job they were only 'soft-roading' and not tackling the really hard stuff... (still shaking my head)
Wow... great driving. What are your thoughts on the newer Forresters with X mode? Needed or not?
Its a good effort on those tracks that's for sure the problem is when you get to steep slippery sections with no low range gearing it becomes dangerous