What Leo Fender Got Wrong... And How To Fix It!
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2020
- A few Years ago I made a video about bolt on necks and how Leo Fender over estimated people's desire to replace a guitar neck. Of course there were a lot of people who didn't watch the video and told me I was a jerk for even thinking Leo Fender did anything that wasn't brilliant. But there were also more than a few people who told me that the heel adjust truss rod was the one thing that Leo Fender did that wasn't a stroke of genius. In this video we discuss this and show you one way that you could fix it. Please note, Texas Toast Guitars does not recommend that you do this procedure on your vintage guitar as it may have an impact on the resale value.
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"If you're so smart, build it yourself. That's what I do!" Awesome video. This attitude is why we have so many great instrument builders today!
Well said!
In my limited experience in building, the hardest part has been finding excellent lumber for reasonable rates. Having good tools also helps things along.
but so few good players of these better-than-ever instruments, and even fewer composing good music...
@@pablogaete4894 I don't know, my kids seem pretty happy playin Hotel California, Smoke on the Water, Blue yodel # 9, Give me Three steps, T for Texas. Raspberry Baret, Eve of Distruction, Stairway, and they're not even teens yet. lol
@@pablogaete4894 And yes they help dad build em! ;)
Hands down the best mod the guitar needed. And what an immaculate job!
Thanks man
Thank you so much. I'm putting together my first guitar and went for a prebuilt neck (got lucky with ebay and found a well made one for a steel) and wanted to replace the heel adjust with a wheel. Yours is the only video that showed me how easy it is.
Great informative video. The quality of your work and precision are excellent.
Thank you very much!
Back in the 60s some of the guitars from Japan had the paddle wheel truss rod adjustment. That's important because a lot of the cheap guitars in the 50s and 60s didn't even have truss rods! I think function trumps fashion! You did the most pleasing way with your pin router. It is exact! Leo was not criticized much because he invented so many new ways to build electric guitars that everyone was blowed away to get guitars that played and sounded so good, the fretted bass guitar and the adjustable bridges, made setting up a guitar to play in tune! Good video Matt and Chris, not on camera! Thanxz
We think the Yamaha truss rod is the neatest thing they ever did
But in defence of Leo, we have to admit, he did a lot less things wrong than the Gibson guys.
We like Gibson and Fender both
What Leo Fender got wrong? Really? could of named it something else
@@keolacam In their defense, doing youtube is a business. What you title a video, what kind of thumbnail you use, and the information in the description are all essential to getting picked up by the algorithm. Four months in and it's one of their most popular videos, so what they did works. Unless titles are cringe-inducing click bait, I give everyone a pass. Doing youtube isn't easy and it can be frustrating figuring out how to title a video where you're striking the balance between pleasing your existing viewers and striving to find more. With that said, I agree with the video. Putting tross-rod adjustment at the heal was a terrible decision. Even Gibson, with all of their deserved hate, didn't make that mindboggling mistake. I'm glad things have come full circle now with these new wheel adjusters in higher end super strat style guitars, but I would never buy a guitar without easy trust rod adjustment because I live in Florida.
@@JacobVBurg This design was what they used as it was easier economically. Think - there were no boutique guitar makers then and not everyone had exhausted every design possible. With all the mistakes of other makers and designs Leo Fender was the first one to do this. There was no guide or previous experience to go by. He didn't follow cutting edge designs - he WAS the cutting edge!!
@@solarismoon3046 Yeah I agree with you, and to further add to your point, Leo didn't even use a truss rod to begin with. He wasn't a musician, he was an engineer. It wasn't until they had to do a numerous quantity of neck warranty claims on the broadcaster/esquire/telecaster that he even put a truss rod in at all. With all of my nitpicking, my favorite guitar is my stock Fender Player Strat. I will be a Fender person until I die, but it's still fun to nitpick sometimes.
Great video exactly what I was looking for 👌 .Great job.
Thank so much for watching Tom, I'm happy to hear we could be of some help my friend
You Nailed it ! This IS the best mod. I have a tele with a heel adjust.
And it baffles me that Leo missed this. But such is life. Great job !
Nice job! The wheel adjustment is one of the things I love in my American Elite strat, I'm not a traditionalist. A shame they stopped making it that way
Thanks for watching Hugo, who knows why they stopped making them?
It makes so much sense to use the wheel. I can’t imagine why they discontinued it.
That's a pretty cool doohickey! I did a similar mod once while keeping the original screw head. You just carve out the body wood in the way of the screw at about a 45% angle. Enough so you can get a Phillips screwdriver in there to reach the head. You then file a corresponding hole in the pickguard.
that works great too
Yes! Been playing Fenders since 1961 and that's the way I do it. If you look at a lot of pre-CBS Strats, many of them have a small groove worn into the pickguard from a screwdriver. I've never had to remove a neck to adjust it. Small groove looks better than a rectangular hole w/knob...in my very humble opinion. 😊
adjusted mine yesterday geting ok at it .man what a great idea but you know how to go with the flow not everything is set in stone and you understand that great video.
Looks great and works great. Thanks for creating the video.
Thanks for watching Robert
👍🏻 👍🏻 "IT'S SO EASY THAT CNC GUYS CAN DO IT".... 😆😷
I know absolutely NOTHING about guitars, other than loving classic rock.
I have no idea why this video came up in my "recommended" video listing, but I'm sure happy I found your channel.
It can't hurt to learn a little something about everything, so thanks!
Thanks for watching brotherman
This is a great mod. I have a couple of guitars (Teles and Strats) with heavy flame neck and they sound great but are not particularly stable, so this would save a lot of bother. Can the same be done with a small Allen key type nut like Suhrs? I'd rather not route expensive master built Fenders so I'm looking for reversibility
I'm not sure, you will have to let me know
Good job. Clean work.
Thank you!
Another great video from TT, thanks Matt.
Glad you enjoyed it
Leo Fender and George Fullerton got it right when they started G&L guitars.
We like G&L guitars too
Nice job...but...and nobody else asked this: Since every neck is different...every neck has different issues. While In some situations the truss rod remains Luce barely tight at all while in other situations it’s necessary to bear down on the truss rod and tighten it to deal with some particular neck issue. With the wheel adjusted like you put it too tight in the trash rod means that the inside edge of your wheel is going to rub and bear down on the outside edge of the heel of the neck...seems to me that over time You might be wearing down the heel of your Fender Strat, Jazz Master, Jaguar, Mustang, P bass, whatever.
To say it another way… Depending on the situation you may need to tighten a truss rod you may need to loosen the trash right in the situation you’ve created by adding the wheel bearing edge becomes the end of the neck at the hill and it seems like it might be a little well, not good for the end of the neck
How might we deal with that situation after doing the MOD you suggested?
@@dackrambo8779 is that an issue with the guitars that, come with a wheel? I don't see why it would be here? Even if it is, all you have to do is make a depression in the neck where the wheel sits so it doesn't touch anything.
Personally, I think if you're having that big of an issue with a neck that you need to tighten the truss rod that much, you need another neck because that one already has issues anyway.
except for the headstock design
My Eric Johnson signature could use this for sure. Midwest is full of humidity extremes.
Don't let the Fender nerds hear you say that... you will start getting hate mail too HAHAHA
Make sure you get the EJ001 model inserts made from 1954 brass, otherwise you'll lose all the tone you gained from draining your Duracells and backing off the screws in your Big Muff.
@@noi5emaker lol. No worries. There is a closed knot in the Alder on the upper bout that Eric would likely claim to mitigate any tone loss suffered in the procedure.
@@BoomerBends ah the Tone Knot. Eric can’t play without one!
I'm 65 and always shyed away from buying a stratocaster with a truss rod ajuster in the heel until now!!!!!! Thanks for a great and easy to follow video.
You have a new subscriber.
Cheers Martin (from the UK)
Thanks for watching Martin, glad you enjoyed it
Thanks a Million !
My worries are 100 % gone !
I love wheel adjustments, I never liked adjustments at the headstock. Never going back.
Live how you want to live baby!
Are they easy to use? I can't picture it being as easy as it seems. Makes me want to try it for sure though
Me too buddy. I got a very skilled mate to convert my 1986 strat to a wheel. He did a lovely job. There was nothing after market in 1997 so he did a weld job.
@@JoeKyser I have the wheel adjust on a MusicMan as well as on my Charvel San Dimas.
They actually make adjustments very easy..and you don't have to loosen or move the strings like you might have to do with adjustment at the headstock end.
It's just a little more convenient.. Especially if you live in a climate where you need to make slight tweaks to the neck quite often.
Some people just don't like the look of it I guess.
Stew Mac has a specific tool to adjust the truss rod at the heel. I believe they’re $6. No need for an expensive repair and cosmetic change (personally I don’t like the way it looks).
Just search for: Truss Rod Crank For Tele. A great tool.
A VERY great tool, but you still have to take the pick guard off to use it--or at least I have to with my 60s Original Telecaster. Granted, I don't have to work the truss rod very often, but the dang thing should be accessible without removing other pieces. If I had a true 50s or 60s era Fender, I'd use that little truss rod tool and not mangle a mature guitar, but I do think I'm going to do this to my 2018 copy.
That guitar didn't have any space for the tool anyway. Sad thing
Yep, I have one of those tools and they work great.
Listen, I do what my customers ask me to do. Sorry if you don't like this and hate me as a human being
Texas Toast Guitars Finally-an apology! Ha ha.
very nice work!
Cool and incredibly easy mod. Thanks.
Glad you like it my friend
I have 5 or so Strats, 1 for 30 yrs, I can count the times on 1 hand ive had to adjust a truss rod, you set a maple neck and it stays for a long time
Agreed
I agree. At least not enough to bother until a string change.
Just curious. Would you mind if I ask where do you keep your guitar? or area you live in?
Fender necks in Korea is kinda moving by each season. Most people around me never said one is stable, so....
@@SpeedisH94 eww that sucks! I'd keep it away from outside walls and vents. Are you keeping it in a case? You may try that.
Minsup Song I’ve got a 65 rosewood B width neck and a 93 maple neck and neither requires adjustment except maybe once every few years. I have them on guitar hangers on the wall.
I love the "Blow it out your ass!!" Comment lol 😂😂 and I totally agree with you sir 👍👊
Thanks Bo there are a lot of people who hate me for doing videos like this. Can't wait for the Les Paul one HAHAHA
@@TexasToastGuitars lol 😂 don't even get me started on the "Gibson" guys lol! I saw a video of this Russian guy that did this beautiful strip and refin of a mid 90s LP standard and all anyone was saying in the comments is how he ruined the value of it! Are you fucking kidding me!?? A 90s LP standard!!?? Monkeys (actual monkeys, not referring to the kind people who live there) in Malaysia were making better guitars then! I was like WTF is wrong with you people??? The guy did every little detail like removing the neck and fret board and binding. I mean it was just breathtaking the craftsmanship of this guy and all these butt holes could do was bitch about defacing (their words not mine) the damn thing!
Anyway cheers to you sir and thanks for the great vids as I rely on content like yours to aquire more knowledge of the craft! Thank you!
Funniest thing I've heard in days!
@@edsterling5258 Now we're really pushing it. You must not get out much.
Love how this is the top comment.
This is a great solution. Super clean and 10x more efficient.
Awesome watch and tip, thank you.
Thanks for watching!
I think Leo did a pretty good job at creating new or improving existing tech, especially when one considers that he wasn’t a guitar player. If one places a 1954 Stratocaster or a 1952 Telecaster next to the 2020 examples of the same respective models, it’s obvious how little the design has changed over the years. That speaks to how much he got right.
I do agree that the heel-end truss rod adjustment was one area in need of improvement. The wheel nut is one solution. I watched a Stew Mac YT video yesterday where the host demonstrated a Stew Mac created specialty tool that allows for the adjustment of the heel-end truss rod without removing the neck from the guitar and only requires the pick guard first being removed.
Who said that Leo Fender wasn't good at what he did? Video titles are often used to get people to watch
Having to take the guitar completely apart 3 times to get a proper adjustment seems perfectly rational to me as well.
I would want mine to be even more challenging to adjust. Moving it to the other end of the neck would have been too easy. Great minds think alike!
I think that if Hendrix was alive, his favorite strat would be the bullet truss rod maple fingerboard neck, with a flatter radius.
Good call
If Hendrix was alive he would have loved Floyd Rose.
I don't think he would give a fuck about truss rod adjustment. And anyone who does this mod is weird. I've been playing for 25 years... once a year I might have to take my guitar to my tech to pay him 30 bucks to adjust my truss. (or do it myself... not a huge headache)
@@urwholefamilydied anyone here is weird
its more a purist thing i guess, a vintage fender blablabla. its the name and fame. (nothing wrong with that tho) i love fenders to. But i go for functioanlity, and thats what Hendrix would have done to. I own a 200$ Ibanez Gio, i adjusted the rod to perfection, made a few improvements and it is by far my best and favourit guitar. so its all between the ears whats good or wrong. do you play on a guitar to play or for its value?
This was great...Subscribed!
Thanks Frank
Thanks for posting this. The traditional Fender truss rod adjustment is a pain in the ass.
This is one way to make life a little easier
Leo's biggest miscalculation on the strat was
1.The string spacing (56mm) which is way too wide for the width of the fretboard
2.The 7.25” radius only usable with a bow.
3. The truss rod accessibility suck.
But leaving aside these three points the Stratocaster is a marvelous design.
pleximanic some of us actually like 7.25” radius and people slag off bullet truss rods. I have a ‘79 stays in tune and plays gorgeous, Hendrix/Mayfield chording a breeze with 7.25 radius
7.25" is perfect. You can get your whole hand around the fretboard, it fits the hand like a glove .best radius ever.Bet even Van Halen would agree.
There is a butt for every bench
The 7.25 radius is actually very comfortable to play on and there were MILLIONS of recordings made with that radius that will easily back my statement up. Only people who can’t play or are totally misinformed would make a statement like that.
People have to realize it was the 1950s. Leo was into country swing, and there really weren’t any rock and rollers to speak of, bending strings and laying on the whammy. The designs worked, and I really wouldn’t call them “mistakes”. They sure as hell weren’t “mistakes” in 1954. Pretty successful electric guitar design since they’re still using the same blueprint 66 years later.
I can understand someone wanting to keep THEIR vintage Strat, Tele, Les Paul, whatever, in it's original format, But what the PHUK it's got to do with anyone else, what I do to MY guitar. Putting it politely, Pyss off. I totaly agree that this was a mistake by fender. Even if Strats generally don't need adjusting very often. If you do need to make adjustments then this becomes a much bigger job than need be. Plus every time you remove screws from timber, there is a chance of the wood thread being damaged. Or the screw driver slips and scratches the pick guard, Whatever! And if you look at Leo Fenders original idea, that if something goe's wrong with the neck, then just replace it.
What's the big deal when it's not even your guitar.
Maaka Tipa Yep. I was interested in a 60s reissue strat but couldn’t live with that stupidity. Bought a Silver Sky. Love it.
People love to tell others they are wrong
Thanks! I have two guitars that have this issue, and didn’t realize it was so easy to correct. Definitely going to take care of them soon.
Glad to help!
The information is great and how you deliver it made me subscribe.
Awesome, thank you!
When Leo designed it this way the necks were baseball bats and didn’t move or even need truss rods!
Agree to disagree
Actually, his original thought was that they wouldn't move. He actually used to tour the county using a neck balanced between two chairs that he would apply pressure to to show how rigid they were. But then the whole reality of climate and wood being an organic matter came into play and players that traveled with their fender guitar were complaining of necks warping. So Leo installed the truss rod, again placing the adjustment at the heal assuming it would only need to be done infrequently. A thicker neck helps, but is still no match for mother nature
He was mistaken, they moved
@denzionlion. I put an actual baseball bat on my guitar; turns out it didn't sound all that great so I used a hockey stick instead...
*actually* actually ;) when he first came up with the heel-adjust rod it was on the original broadcaster and the original single-coil P-bass; with both of those, all you had to do was remove a small black pickguard that had nothing mounted on it, slip it out from under the (still tuned) strings and the truss rod nut was right there in a big body clearance gap, ready to be tweaked.
the hassle started with the strat in '54 where you couldn't just slip the pickguard out because it had all the stuff mounted to it. i suppose by that point they weren't gonna change out all the machines for a different truss rod design and that was that
Nothing....Leo got nothing wrong.
We love Fender guitars too
Excellent video!!!
Glad you liked it Ray
Nice mod and very practical. A great video.... but there again they always are!
Thanks Christopher, I have been catching a lot of shade for this one HAHAHA
Good one, thank you.
What a great solution, fun to watch the modification.
Thanks very much Kurt
Absolutely beautiful job.
Thank you very much Jim
Love this. Thank you
Hi Matt, I agree with you 100 percent. That is definitely the best set up for Fender guitars & basses. You guys are excellent. You really know your craft. Stay safe and well. Signed John Zepbass. Munster, Indiana.
Nice job Matt. Awesome!
Glad you enjoyed it
Entertaining and informative. That's the way I like to learn!
Awesome, thank you!
thank you for your videos!
Glad you like them!
Wow nice work man! Very clean! I wonder if this mod will work with my Charvel san dimas guitar. Awesome video!
It should, I'd test out the truss rod nut first to see if it can be removed
Awesome Ideal... Thanks for sharing..
Most welcome brotherman
Awesome Video!
Thanks brotherman
Hey you guys are incredible wish you were here in new Jersey I'm a jazz guitarist 21 in my collection right wish we had great tech's like you guys here thanks.
Maybe one day?
My wife is from there
Nice tip, thank you!!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for this video. Now I have hopes for my Japanese '62 Fender Strat without having to worry about the wood getting worn out from constant screw unwinding.
Very nice job. Thinking I will do this mod to my Flea Signature Jazz bass.
Glad to help, those are nice basses
Great job! 👍
Thank you TF
Nice video thank you upload.
Thanks for visiting
Awesome mod!! The spokewheel adjustment is a game changer
Nice work.
Thanks for the visit
Great video, love the tip
Glad it was helpful!
Hi Matt, I’m Matt ..... I wondered why you were so cool 👍🏼
What a cool video, I didn’t realise you could do this mod to the truss rod adjustment, well in all honesty I’ve never given it that much thought, it really doesn’t bother me that the adjustment is on the heel. 👍🏼👍🏼
I think that's a great solution to an obvious design flaw. Love ya, Leo.
It makes adjusting the truss rod some easier
That came out great, I'd do that in a heartbeat with that "arrangement"!
That's an awesome fix for that. Taking the neck on and off to use the truss rod is a pain and this is a fix anyone can do. Great stuff.
Thanks for watching my friend, it is easy to do and is a feature that can really help
Thanks for the video, I got used to the heel adjustment, but this mod seems fun.
It will work, not totally necessary but chicks dig it
Love that DIY great job
Thank you! 😊
I love the truss rod adjustment on the heel of both my strats. Visually and it makes you get into your guitar to adjust ot
Good call
I actually like them too
Great video! I need to do this on my Tele. Just got a Fender’51 U shape to mount on a Squier classic vibe. Out of the box the neck looks very straight and flat. Gonna file the nut and adjust the saddles, then add a little relief.
I hear those are really cool
This is exactly the video I needed to see. Just picked up a amazing Japanese fender P bass only to notice the heel adjust….
Rock on!
Very cool, thanks, I HATE heel adjustment truss rods, I'm doing this.
It is a neat way to go Dustin
Awesome video
Thanks man
Damn fine work man !!
Thanks for watching Shawn
soooo glad i'm subscribed here thanks .... Just like a "learnin university school" ... love you guys
Thanks so much my friend
I would love to have this feature. In Chicago, weather changes and dry, radiator heat during the Winter are constantly causing guitar necks to change. Really nice video.
Thanks for watching Brett
@@TexasToastGuitars Just curious, would you also be able to work your magic and make my HIghway One Texas Telecaster lose 1 or 2 pounds?
Nice! Im always working on guitars 🎸good information to help. Love your attitude, just subscribed. I do build it my self. Just built a telecaster sounds amazing.
Awesome! Thank you!
Nice little solution .
Thanks Kenneth, not everyone's favorite solution BUT it does work :)
Great tip, as I have one to do this month!
Thanks man
I enjoy your channel! What stops the 'new' wheel nut simply unscrewing when you want to 'loosen' the truss rod?
That’s a cool mod. I never thought of doing that.
excellent job !
Thanks for watching David
Great fix!
It works pretty slick too Tom
Love these videos. I'm actually gonna do the threaded inserts mod on my Squier Strat because, first: It's just a Squier, and second, It's a really great mod/upgrade to prevent lost of thread on the neck.
Brilliant video matt !
I have hated those heal truss rod adjustments for 44 years. I have 4 american made strats and not one of them has a heel truss adjustment. I go out of my way to avoid a heel adjustment truss rod. Now a know there is a way to change it. if I do find one I like now. Thanks so much matt and chris.
Right on!
I recently did that to my 1962 slab board, it works fabulous.
It does indeed work
I loved it, this is a great tip! Thanks for sharing, you have a new subscriber.
Awesome! Thank you!
I have a parts-built Tele that will be getting this upgrade in the near future. Absolutely brilliant!
I hope you like it Dave
I think it's a cool thing to try and see
Take care
This. Is. AWESOME!!!
Thanks Mark
Loved it - thanks !
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks Matt, texas toast is hard to beat
Thanks Tom
This was great to see! Just dropped off my Geddy Lee Jazz bass to my luthier to do the same thing. OAN....I have a truss rod wheel on a Sterling Ray34 that won't move in either direction. Put a fair amount of torque into turning it and "massaged" the neck a bit to try to knock it loose but it won't budge. Bass is fairly new and I've never tried to adjust the rod until recently. Can't imagine it's maxed out. Any ideas? Threads are gooched?
I had the opportunity to buy one of your Jazzmasters from a player in town, I passed. I still think about that guitar to this day. It was a a killer piece. I'm glad to see a video from you. I never heard of you before or since that guitar, until today.
Thanks for watching brotherman
I remember doing this year's ago. Works great
How much hate mail did you get?
@@TexasToastGuitars lol
Nice job
Thanks for watching
So awsome what you did. I've got a 1980 handmade superstrat copy from a Out Of Business custom guitar Co. Stars Guitar from San Francisco CA. It needs a wheel truss rod conversion too. Now I know jow easy it is, thank you!! Willie D
Rock on!
The result looks ok to me. Very functional idea for a pro to attempt. I gotta sub to thus channel.
This channel. Pardon the above typo.
Thanks BH
These videos are absolutely awesome! Thank you for throwing all of these our way. I have honestly passed on guitars before because they had the heel truss adjustment and I really didn't want to mess with it. I really thought there was a lot more to making any change to a truss rod. In my younger days I wouldn't go near messing with the truss rod because I guess like many others, I was scared of really messing up my guitar and had heard so many horror stories. Now that I understand it, I have no worries when I adjust one. This kind of helps "demystify" it even a little more! Not a tough conversion, it looks fine, and it makes it so much easier to adjust! Thanks!!
Thanks for watching my friend
As a FMIC tech , I like it..great vid man !
Completely agree Leo Fender got that wrong! Thanks for the very informative video. I'm just getting into building guitars from scratch (well the first one I'm building has a neck-thru blank, but the next one I'm planning is totally from scratch). At any rate, your videos are always great and I definitely appreciate them!
Glad to help!
Very cool idea ! I also hate heel adjustment , but I hate cutting holes in my guitar more . I have used the stock truss rod adjustment for so many years that I am used to it . Just a little annoying ! Love your channel , great job on the mods ! If I was younger , I would probably try it ! ( I am 72 years old )Been playing fenders forever , I feel like the old American standards are perfect . I have several . My old Tele and Jazz Bass get the old phillips screw driver scene !
Thanks for watching my friend
Great video. The original adjustment doesn't bother me so much but I have basses with the wheel and it is better, I really appreciate Musicman doing it.
Totally agree
Working on a Tele now and doing a heel truss rod access and people are probably going to freak, but I also like the look of the headstock without! Great video and instruction
Sounds good to me KC