@@warriorxj6010 McGrath, Ambrose.. i am not talking about getiing hit for a six and there .. i am saying these bowlers were never dominated by anyone..
Terrific players and the Goats of cricket 🏏. Can’t pick other players in Test cricket especially in the last 4 decades . In Odi i will pick Vivian Richards , Jones and Miandad as the Greatest . Tendulkar and Lara were my favourite childhood players .
@user-gu4tv4hp6s perhaps football may take some immense strides forward in terms of popularity especially in countries like India and the signs are prominent thanks to the recently concluded fifa world cup but still a long way to go though....eventually everything will start to fall in place for sure and it takes time.
When you've got about a century of cricket experience in the booth, slow motion replay cameras, and it takes them a few minutes... a batsman in the crease has little chance.
This is not a slider. It's one of Warne's secret weapons that as far as I know, he's only ever mentioned once in passing. It IS a leg break but it's bowled with the ball pushed into his palm. Look at 2:52 and you can see how much his whole hand is gripping the ball. Same action, seemingly the same amount of spin but doesn't turn.
Warnie never bowled a leg spinner that never spun. This old guy i used to know always used to tell me Warnie could spin a ball on a glass or ice wicket he was that good.
Whenever warne bowled in all formats, everybody was expecting wicket on each bowl😢😊👌💐 Feeling absolutely lucky to have seen his legendary bowling live on T.V.😊👌💐 specially in 1996 wc semi final against windies when I was a kid😢💐
Exactly, some blokes talking sense. Do your research - look at the SKY vids and you'll find one where Warne, Healy and Pointing all laugh at the idea of their ever being a 'Slider'. A slider is lazy way of explaining a delivery that doesn't spin - usually described by commentators. There are small leg-breaks, and big leg-breaks, leg breaks with tilted seams that land on the smooth part of the ball, but, all of these are Leg-breaks. In addition - find me a book written by a respected wrist-spinner where a ball is described as a Slider with an explicit description of what a 'Slider' is. On-line apart from the BS Shane Warne explanations of his 'Slider' there's about 3 different variations of a ball that might go straight on, described by contemporaries of Warne, pundits and coaches. Watch Warne's mentor in the BBC videos - Terry Jenner, talk about the Slider, he scoffs at the name and then explains the Orthodox back-spinner previously described by Philpott and Grimmett in their books. Which sometimes is described as a ball that 'Slides on', but the crux of the matter is the ball is an existing delivery e.g. the Orthodox back-spinner. Of all the deliveries I've ever seen executed intentionally rather than as a happy accidents as Warne's straight balls seem to have been in most cases - look at Jeetan Patel 2014 masterclass. He appears to have so much control over the position of the seam of the ball, that he chooses to bowl a ball that is angled so precisely that it lands on the smooth edge and skids on. Maybe I'm being old fashioned, but until someone of calibre... a world class spinner sits down and writes a book and explicitly describes what a slider is and differentiates it from a leg-break of an off-break, I'm of the opinion that the Slider is total BS as so obviously explained in the Healy/Ponting and Warne SKY masterclass...
Dave Thompson Being a leg spinner myself I can tell you that ' 'slider' is actually a variation, it's not a leg break that didn't turn. In leg break the fingers go over the ball and in slider they're behind the ball. Obviously I cannot explain you with words but I can tell you that for a leg break irrespective of it turns or not the rotations are side ways with the seam pointing towards the slips however for a slider if bowled with seam up (generally bowled with scrambled seam) the ball actually rotates backwards which is why the ball doesn't spin and the seam looks like pointing towards the batsman or leg slip. So if you ignore everything and just focus on the ball (not even the trajectory) the slider rotates almost like an in-swinger. Due to the backward rotation or as we like to call it in cricket 'under spin' the ball goes flat. All in all, 'slider' is actually a variation. Cheers.
In Shane warned best 8 deliveries of Shane Warne he admits when he was in England in the 2005 ashes he states that the duke balls they use since it has a glossy seem doesn't turn at all sometimes as a big turning leg break giving the influence that he bowled a slider, but it could also be a leg break as he has the wrist position to bowl the leg pin delivery so I could be finally said that it was both as he had the leg spin position of his wrist but the ball slid straight in from its glossy seem.
He should've called the one that bowled Ian Bell the "Skull" - the non-spinning leg break. Or the "straight break", as the original Skull (Kerry O'Keeffe) refers to his own bowling. :)
Jim, it wasn't that he couldn't land it with consistency, it was that as he aged, the flipper placed increasing amounts of strain on his shoulder, so he decided that in the interests of longevity, he should develop a different straight ball (i.e. the slider) which is pushed through out of the front of the hand (often with third-finger back-spin). As the video says, the Flintoff dismissal is a perfect demonstration of the slider, and we can see that that is not the case with the Bell dismissal.
That's a flipper that's pushed through the front. The slider is bowled similar to a leggie but with the wrist facing almost to the legside rather then the offside like a topspinner. Thus imparting backspin
Cheers for your comments, bradfocl It's my own fault the VT "crapped out" durning the analysis. I replayed the original VHS tape so much, the picture started to distort I still can't wholly agree the Bell delivery was in any way planned by Warne. Having watched it intently, I think it was a normal leg break that didn't turn. There's no discernible difference in flight, axis/direction of spin, or in warne's bowling action It's the variation in the pitch that makes the ball go straight on
You may have a point re "over complicating " the slider. in many ways it is effectively pushing the ball out of the front of the hand. But the reason it's so effective (and thus so skilled) is he's able to bowl it with the same arm speed/action as the leg break. His wrong'un is slower & needed a drop in the shoulder, the flipper's quicker & obvious. Warne effectively had to "set up" a batsmans prior to delivering the flipper. Warne can bowl sliders and legbreks and interchange at will.
That was a leg break that didn't turn, nothing else. I was born at the time when this ashes series took place, but I am sure that was a soft pitch that is not meant for spinners
To me it looks like the ball is released with the seam tilted a little more towards sidespin than topspin, just a little. The main factor though I would guess would be a simple lack of revs on the ball.
Part of the fun and cult of warne was all this theorising about all the deliveries he had. In reality he only ever had a leg spinner, a wrong un, a flipper and a straight slider. He couldn’t bowl the flipper after 2000 ish when he did his shoulder. All this stuff about degrees of leg spin and loose grips is just part of his cult of personality, he didn’t bowl anything other legpsinners before him couldn’t, that’s not a criticism btw.
There are not many variations for a leg spinner. He could bowl top spin too and could also drift the ball. Shane Warne had the huge leg spinner, A straight top spinner and a spinning topspinner (top spinner is just for getting extra bounce which may not always turn hence not used by him much), a straight slider (sliders never spin atleast i havent seen it to), very rarely a wrong un and flipper is almost the same delivery as a slider. Difference is that flipper stays very low. He also drifted the ball and spun it many times. So for a leg spinner he had all the variations possible
Thing to remember with warne is that when there is more dip in the air, the more it will turn. The leg breaks first dips into the right hander and then goes away. Whereas slider does not dips and after pitching keeps straight. Well with Ian Bell, it was a leg break but he was just unlucky. We can see a slight dip but not much turn.
Yes... I must admit having similar thoughts when first reading Shutuprafa's comments...I think that sentence was secretly the inital fuel to my responses to him To be fair, I now know Shutuprafa merely dislikes when commentators get things wrong... which Richie unfortunately does here. I think Shutuprafa has made more positive comments about Benaud elsewhere, but 'senile' was somewhat strong in this case We may hear from Shutuprafa some time soon... interesting what he'll say in response...
Warne talks about this ball in a bowling masterclass video and admitted he was going for a leg break and it didn't turn. The beauty of natural variation
It was natural variation, and also bowlers skill. He bowled some big leg breaks and then the wicket ball he might have hit hard on the pitch in a way so that the shiny part hits the pitch..
I think that's the point of his slider/straight one. You can see on the first 2 examples the ball comes out of the side of the hand with lots of side spin. The wicket ball is almost bowled like a top spin with not a lot of side spin put on it
this is a ages old video, his wrist he uses to control the spin, if wrist points towards keeper trust me, it goes straight on. if points towards 3rd slip there is an extra break, if he points towards first or second slip(His wrists) he gets very little spin. this is how he controls it. how ever if he uses his thumb and points towards the keeper then its top spin (again No spin off the pitch) with more extra pace. ART OF BOWLING LEG SPIN.
He did some analysis of this ball Agee years back on Sky Sports, I think during one of the Ashes. He admitted it was a leg break that just didn’t turn.
@shutuprafa cheers for your comments I get what you're saying, but the 2nd delivery (to flintoff) is a very skilled delivery which warne didn't bowl properly until about 2002. (he used other back spinners prior to this) Warne's slider is a scrambled seam leg break but with a hint of back spin, bowled with decent revs. It can drift in, break a little right to left and keeps low. To say its a "nothing delivery... that he rolled his fingers down the back of" is doing it a bit of a dis-service.
slider is bowled with a fast bowlers ball-grip so when a leggie bowls it with that kind of grip, its more like a cross seam delivery, not-likely to land on seam and hence doesn't spin and dips a bit. With the seam position shown, when the ball is in the air its not cross seam, just a variation of leg spin from Warne disguised and not to turn as much as other leg breaks. Bell accepted it as Warnies magic and moved on in life LoL
No doubt that Warne was one of the greatest bowlers who has ever played, but there is only one God worthy of worship, the God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon all of them. We must not associate partners with the creator. This is the main message of all the prophets.
The one to Bell looked like a slack handed stock ball or maybe a topspinner. He rolls his hand over the ball and the ball commes out with nothing but topspin. Too bad the video crapped out when they replayed the previous leg cutters. The one that did Flintoff was a slider I guess but he did it super subtle - bowled it with a stock action except he left the ring finger on it as the hand straightened so it put backspin on and you've a stright ball that you think is going to turn...
Simon Hughes called drifter as a slider while shane himself cleared about the actual slider later on in his another video with mark taylor on yasir shah bowling a slider where the actual action looks completely similar to a conventional leg break but the only difference is the ball is released with cross seam and the ball hits the ground with its abdomen instead of the seam that makes it skid rather than turn!!
Richie's comments came before the slow-motion replay of it leaving the hand. No way watching that live, yet alone live on TV could I discern that it wasn't a slider.
Shane has said before that the best way to deceive batman is natural variation and you can see it here, it is literally the same ball but didn’t turn. Also he has said that at various points in his career he has made his bowling more of a mystery by coming up with new name for the straight one-topspin, slider, flipper, zooter, they are all the same idea. For me wether he had 4 or 5 ways to bowl the straight one or not all he really needed was variation on the legbreak and the flipper, the flipper was deadly
It was a leg break that didn't spin... part of a spinner's danger is natural variation off the pitch... drop the ball in the same area a few times in a row, and I doubt you'll get the same turn each time
I'm not a wrist spinner so I can't comment from experience but based on how the flipper looks (i.e the way Richie B shows people to bowl them) I can see that it'd be a hard delivery to get the line right. Some variations are better than others unless you're Murali and the doosra turns 3 stumps just like the stock ball!
Looking at Warnes grip, he seems to be holding the ball in the first 2 fingers, like an off spinner!..I tried this grip, it seems like a leggy, but it barely, if at all turns, and acts more like a top spinner!..And poor Ian Bell, he never could pick it.
I think this delivery which Warne talks about, everyone was going on about how well bowled it was and he said it was actually meant to turn miles as the comment below says. natural variation
Probably just a leg-spinner which did not turn much like the previous ones did.....or it might have actually got some part of the pitch and just went straight.
Undoubtedly legend legspinner, very very difficult to read his googly,flipper,leg cutters😢 That's why sachin is best batsmen who successfully faced him everytime & ruled him.
there is a delivery that shane warne bowled to ian bell i think it did not get him out but he bowled it as a leg break but as he let go of the ball he knocked all the revelotions off with his little finger as any seen this or got it would love to see it again!!!!
@shutuprafa The bell delivery is of course a leg-break though i don't necessarily believe it was bowled with less revs. If it was deliberately bowled with less revs/spin there would be some discernible difference in his bowling action; like a fast bowlers slower ball, though a little more subtle Also, even with less revs, the ball would not have simply gone "straight on". it would have turned a little. If Warne could replicate this delivery simply bowling less revs, he need'nt use the slider
Warnie was most successful against eng. Indian pitches , he simply can’t instil the same fear. I remember Kambli destroying warme in one match played in Mumbai. Took him for 20 some runs in that one over. Down the pitch, drives, cuts , .
He wasn't a mistery bowler. He's action was very simple and clean. He just bowl the leg break, wrong one and disguised the batsman's with his straighter ball. Before his shoulder injury he used to bowl the flipper a lot. But after the injury he didn't bowl the flipper. And his wrong one was very easy to pick. It wasn't like Rashid Khan's. Still he got 700. Tell's about his ability and cricketing mind. He isn't the person to follow off the field, but probably the greatest cricketing brain on the field with the ball in hand.
*THAT WAS DEFINITELY A LEG BREAK SPUN FROM RIGHT TO LEFT AND THEN THE BALL HIT AN ANOMALY LIKE A TINY STONE OR SOMETHING HARD AND IT JUST STOPED ROTATION AND WENT STRAIGHT, QUITE SIMPLY LUCK 🍀 with that delivery*
Ian Bell, "I swear that was a leg break." Shane Warne said it was a leg break that didn't turn.
Ya
I want to live in that time....quiet nostalgic....
Speaks volumes about the abilities of Tendulkar and Lara, they smashed around such a brilliant magician
Which bowler haven't been hammered at all corners of the boundary line
@@warriorxj6010 McGrath, Ambrose.. i am not talking about getiing hit for a six and there .. i am saying these bowlers were never dominated by anyone..
so sachin and lara has never been out in their entire carrier what are you saying.
@@basnetlokendra3914 That's just overexaggeration. He's just saying that they could dominate this magician bowler in a match.
Terrific players and the Goats of cricket 🏏. Can’t pick other players in Test cricket especially in the last 4 decades . In Odi i will pick Vivian Richards , Jones and Miandad as the Greatest . Tendulkar and Lara were my favourite childhood players .
Warne had 8 or 9 different ways of bowling a straight ball. His ability to psych most batsman out was the real weapon.
How you know about it that warne had 8 or 9 different ways of bowling a straight ball
@user-gu4tv4hp6s perhaps football may take some immense strides forward in terms of popularity especially in countries like India and the signs are prominent thanks to the recently concluded fifa world cup but still a long way to go though....eventually everything will start to fall in place for sure and it takes time.
Just imagine that time and tv we all used to watch ....so much silence 😭😭😭
When you've got about a century of cricket experience in the booth, slow motion replay cameras, and it takes them a few minutes... a batsman in the crease has little chance.
respect for the batsman who have played him well.
This is Simon Hughes' best analysis by far...
nice to hear tony's voice
was shocked by his death
RIP Tony
Which anime is in ur dp??
Why u were shocked???
It was a leg break that didn't turn, watch shane warne masterclass, he explains it there
Loved the video, analysis on the Bell dismissal and the eventual slider to Freddie. Loved the interview towards the end too :)
It was meant to be a leg break but is in fact natural variation
This is not a slider. It's one of Warne's secret weapons that as far as I know, he's only ever mentioned once in passing. It IS a leg break but it's bowled with the ball pushed into his palm. Look at 2:52 and you can see how much his whole hand is gripping the ball. Same action, seemingly the same amount of spin but doesn't turn.
Spot on. As Warne has said, he doesn't generally "grip" the ball, he generally holds it loosely. He "stifled" the spin.
What a bowler, man! Simply genius. It is always a pleasure to watch Warne bowling. Pure skill and amazing talent. We miss him badly.
Warnie never bowled a leg spinner that never spun. This old guy i used to know always used to tell me Warnie could spin a ball on a glass or ice wicket he was that good.
He admitted this was a leg-spinner that didn't spin. It's just natural variation in the pitch
Whenever warne bowled in all formats, everybody was expecting wicket on each bowl😢😊👌💐
Feeling absolutely lucky to have seen his legendary bowling live on T.V.😊👌💐 specially in 1996 wc semi final against windies when I was a kid😢💐
I think he admitted at one point that this was released as a huge leggie, but it just didn't turn.
Jonny Hooper yes he did on sky sports
Exactly, some blokes talking sense. Do your research - look at the SKY vids and you'll find one where Warne, Healy and Pointing all laugh at the idea of their ever being a 'Slider'. A slider is lazy way of explaining a delivery that doesn't spin - usually described by commentators. There are small leg-breaks, and big leg-breaks, leg breaks with tilted seams that land on the smooth part of the ball, but, all of these are Leg-breaks. In addition - find me a book written by a respected wrist-spinner where a ball is described as a Slider with an explicit description of what a 'Slider' is. On-line apart from the BS Shane Warne explanations of his 'Slider' there's about 3 different variations of a ball that might go straight on, described by contemporaries of Warne, pundits and coaches. Watch Warne's mentor in the BBC videos - Terry Jenner, talk about the Slider, he scoffs at the name and then explains the Orthodox back-spinner previously described by Philpott and Grimmett in their books. Which sometimes is described as a ball that 'Slides on', but the crux of the matter is the ball is an existing delivery e.g. the Orthodox back-spinner. Of all the deliveries I've ever seen executed intentionally rather than as a happy accidents as Warne's straight balls seem to have been in most cases - look at Jeetan Patel 2014 masterclass. He appears to have so much control over the position of the seam of the ball, that he chooses to bowl a ball that is angled so precisely that it lands on the smooth edge and skids on. Maybe I'm being old fashioned, but until someone of calibre... a world class spinner sits down and writes a book and explicitly describes what a slider is and differentiates it from a leg-break of an off-break, I'm of the opinion that the Slider is total BS as so obviously explained in the Healy/Ponting and Warne SKY masterclass...
Dave Thompson that was a very beautiful explanation!.
Cheers mate, glad you liked it.
Dave Thompson Being a leg spinner myself I can tell you that ' 'slider' is actually a variation, it's not a leg break that didn't turn. In leg break the fingers go over the ball and in slider they're behind the ball. Obviously I cannot explain you with words but I can tell you that for a leg break irrespective of it turns or not the rotations are side ways with the seam pointing towards the slips however for a slider if bowled with seam up (generally bowled with scrambled seam) the ball actually rotates backwards which is why the ball doesn't spin and the seam looks like pointing towards the batsman or leg slip. So if you ignore everything and just focus on the ball (not even the trajectory) the slider rotates almost like an in-swinger. Due to the backward rotation or as we like to call it in cricket 'under spin' the ball goes flat. All in all, 'slider' is actually a variation. Cheers.
In Shane warned best 8 deliveries of Shane Warne he admits when he was in England in the 2005 ashes he states that the duke balls they use since it has a glossy seem doesn't turn at all sometimes as a big turning leg break giving the influence that he bowled a slider, but it could also be a leg break as he has the wrist position to bowl the leg pin delivery so I could be finally said that it was both as he had the leg spin position of his wrist but the ball slid straight in from its glossy seem.
He should've called the one that bowled Ian Bell the "Skull" - the non-spinning leg break. Or the "straight break", as the original Skull (Kerry O'Keeffe) refers to his own bowling. :)
Jim, it wasn't that he couldn't land it with consistency, it was that as he aged, the flipper placed increasing amounts of strain on his shoulder, so he decided that in the interests of longevity, he should develop a different straight ball (i.e. the slider) which is pushed through out of the front of the hand (often with third-finger back-spin). As the video says, the Flintoff dismissal is a perfect demonstration of the slider, and we can see that that is not the case with the Bell dismissal.
That's a flipper that's pushed through the front. The slider is bowled similar to a leggie but with the wrist facing almost to the legside rather then the offside like a topspinner. Thus imparting backspin
Cheers for your comments, bradfocl
It's my own fault the VT "crapped out" durning the analysis. I replayed the original VHS tape so much, the picture started to distort
I still can't wholly agree the Bell delivery was in any way planned by Warne. Having watched it intently, I think it was a normal leg break that didn't turn. There's no discernible difference in flight, axis/direction of spin, or in warne's bowling action
It's the variation in the pitch that makes the ball go straight on
You may have a point re "over complicating " the slider. in many ways it is effectively pushing the ball out of the front of the hand.
But the reason it's so effective (and thus so skilled) is he's able to bowl it with the same arm speed/action as the leg break.
His wrong'un is slower & needed a drop in the shoulder, the flipper's quicker & obvious. Warne effectively had to "set up" a batsmans prior to delivering the flipper.
Warne can bowl sliders and legbreks and interchange at will.
"and that's the slider to end all sliders" Classic commentary
Remembering those golden days..we are so happy that we grow up watching this❤️❤️
it's just hit the seam and went straight on
5:28 Changed the line and length + variation on the ball..... ingenuity. Required great thinking there w.r.t batsman. Admire Warne.
who forgot those, days when warn is having nightmare of tendulker...
legend !!!!
respect from Bangladesh
That was a leg break that didn't turn, nothing else.
I was born at the time when this ashes series took place, but I am sure that was a soft pitch that is not meant for spinners
To me it looks like the ball is released with the seam tilted a little more towards sidespin than topspin, just a little. The main factor though I would guess would be a simple lack of revs on the ball.
it aint slider just a leg break where bowler does not impart much power and impart very less spin
its a toppie bowled with a cross-seam so it has a chance to stay low. the slider is out the front of the hand, this ball is out the back more
Part of the fun and cult of warne was all this theorising about all the deliveries he had. In reality he only ever had a leg spinner, a wrong un, a flipper and a straight slider. He couldn’t bowl the flipper after 2000 ish when he did his shoulder. All this stuff about degrees of leg spin and loose grips is just part of his cult of personality, he didn’t bowl anything other legpsinners before him couldn’t, that’s not a criticism btw.
There are not many variations for a leg spinner. He could bowl top spin too and could also drift the ball. Shane Warne had the huge leg spinner, A straight top spinner and a spinning topspinner (top spinner is just for getting extra bounce which may not always turn hence not used by him much), a straight slider (sliders never spin atleast i havent seen it to), very rarely a wrong un and flipper is almost the same delivery as a slider. Difference is that flipper stays very low. He also drifted the ball and spun it many times. So for a leg spinner he had all the variations possible
2:05 Shane warne football skills
Rest In Peace Warney 🙏🏽
Thing to remember with warne is that when there is more dip in the air, the more it will turn. The leg breaks first dips into the right hander and then goes away. Whereas slider does not dips and after pitching keeps straight. Well with Ian Bell, it was a leg break but he was just unlucky. We can see a slight dip but not much turn.
Laeeq Ahmed good point.
Yes... I must admit having similar thoughts when first reading Shutuprafa's comments...I think that sentence was secretly the inital fuel to my responses to him
To be fair, I now know Shutuprafa merely dislikes when commentators get things wrong... which Richie unfortunately does here. I think Shutuprafa has made more positive comments about Benaud elsewhere, but 'senile' was somewhat strong in this case
We may hear from Shutuprafa some time soon... interesting what he'll say in response...
He doesn't have more variation but not easy to pick his straight ball after leg break.....he was doing well on both
Warne talks about this ball in a bowling masterclass video and admitted he was going for a leg break and it didn't turn.
The beauty of natural variation
It was natural variation, and also bowlers skill. He bowled some big leg breaks and then the wicket ball he might have hit hard on the pitch in a way so that the shiny part hits the pitch..
Yes, I saw that.
I think that's the point of his slider/straight one. You can see on the first 2 examples the ball comes out of the side of the hand with lots of side spin. The wicket ball is almost bowled like a top spin with not a lot of side spin put on it
first one is leg break but not turn as bell assumed
Vaughan: I'm Batman
Warne: Why so serious
Warne's "mystery delivery" is sledging the batsman
this is a ages old video, his wrist he uses to control the spin, if wrist points towards keeper trust me, it goes straight on. if points towards 3rd slip there is an extra break, if he points towards first or second slip(His wrists) he gets very little spin. this is how he controls it. how ever if he uses his thumb and points towards the keeper then its top spin (again No spin off the pitch) with more extra pace. ART OF BOWLING LEG SPIN.
He did some analysis of this ball Agee years back on Sky Sports, I think during one of the Ashes. He admitted it was a leg break that just didn’t turn.
Rip greatest spinner ever ❤️❤️
@shutuprafa cheers for your comments
I get what you're saying, but the 2nd delivery (to flintoff) is a very skilled delivery which warne didn't bowl properly until about 2002. (he used other back spinners prior to this)
Warne's slider is a scrambled seam leg break but with a hint of back spin, bowled with decent revs. It can drift in, break a little right to left and keeps low.
To say its a "nothing delivery... that he rolled his fingers down the back of" is doing it a bit of a dis-service.
Very entertaining. Good post.
slider is bowled with a fast bowlers ball-grip so when a leggie bowls it with that kind of grip, its more like a cross seam delivery, not-likely to land on seam and hence doesn't spin and dips a bit. With the seam position shown, when the ball is in the air its not cross seam, just a variation of leg spin from Warne disguised and not to turn as much as other leg breaks. Bell accepted it as Warnies magic and moved on in life LoL
I m big fan of Warni from Sri Lanka. i wish he still plays . i never get tied watching him bowl
Bucknor would've given that not out
Warne = God of spin
No doubt that Warne was one of the greatest bowlers who has ever played, but there is only one God worthy of worship, the God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon all of them.
We must not associate partners with the creator.
This is the main message of all the prophets.
The one to Bell looked like a slack handed stock ball or maybe a topspinner. He rolls his hand over the ball and the ball commes out with nothing but topspin. Too bad the video crapped out when they replayed the previous leg cutters. The one that did Flintoff was a slider I guess but he did it super subtle - bowled it with a stock action except he left the ring finger on it as the hand straightened so it put backspin on and you've a stright ball that you think is going to turn...
Simon Hughes called drifter as a slider while shane himself cleared about the actual slider later on in his another video with mark taylor on yasir shah bowling a slider where the actual action looks completely similar to a conventional leg break but the only difference is the ball is released with cross seam and the ball hits the ground with its abdomen instead of the seam that makes it skid rather than turn!!
Richie's comments came before the slow-motion replay of it leaving the hand. No way watching that live, yet alone live on TV could I discern that it wasn't a slider.
Shane has said before that the best way to deceive batman is natural variation and you can see it here, it is literally the same ball but didn’t turn. Also he has said that at various points in his career he has made his bowling more of a mystery by coming up with new name for the straight one-topspin, slider, flipper, zooter, they are all the same idea. For me wether he had 4 or 5 ways to bowl the straight one or not all he really needed was variation on the legbreak and the flipper, the flipper was deadly
I thought a slider WAS a leg spinner just with very few revs on the ball?
He actually said in his autobiography that this was natural variation. Just a leg break that went straight
It was a leg break that didn't spin... part of a spinner's danger is natural variation off the pitch... drop the ball in the same area a few times in a row, and I doubt you'll get the same turn each time
A slider is a top spinner bowled seam up instead of seam across. This ball was just a leggie gone wrong.
Nope slider is the ball with back spin .it just slides on. Top spinner is diiferent one.
If ian bell was a Pakistan player everyone would have accused him of match fixing
I'm not a wrist spinner so I can't comment from experience but based on how the flipper looks (i.e the way Richie B shows people to bowl them) I can see that it'd be a hard delivery to get the line right. Some variations are better than others unless you're Murali and the doosra turns 3 stumps just like the stock ball!
It is not a slider. it's a full-pitch top spinner. if you see it turned just a bit. The next bowl he bowled to Vaughn, flintoff is a slider.
Fun video! Thanks.
Looking at Warnes grip, he seems to be holding the ball in the first 2 fingers, like an off spinner!..I tried this grip, it seems like a leggy, but it barely, if at all turns, and acts more like a top spinner!..And poor Ian Bell, he never could pick it.
Skills @2:06
Actually I think that Warne wasn't able properly and complete his delivery as he thought.....
There will never be another shane warne.
I also have same delivery but I don't have big break
One of the best bowler
I think this delivery which Warne talks about, everyone was going on about how well bowled it was and he said it was actually meant to turn miles as the comment below says. natural variation
This video uploaded from 8 years but your comment 9 year
I think this should be asked to Shane Warne. But this should be a Top Spinner.
Reminds me of this brilliant English man Bell
There are certainly some secrets Warne didn't tell us and left
Beautiful slider
Probably just a leg-spinner which did not turn much like the previous ones did.....or it might have actually got some part of the pitch and just went straight.
Undoubtedly legend legspinner, very very difficult to read his googly,flipper,leg cutters😢
That's why sachin is best batsmen who successfully faced him everytime & ruled him.
there is a delivery that shane warne bowled to ian bell i think it did not get him out but he bowled it as a leg break but as he let go of the ball he knocked all the revelotions off with his little finger as any seen this or got it would love to see it again!!!!
this was his natural variation, he was going for a leggie but suddenly this bowled didn't turn and simply gone like a slider.
@shutuprafa The bell delivery is of course a leg-break though i don't necessarily believe it was bowled with less revs. If it was deliberately bowled with less revs/spin there would be some discernible difference in his bowling action; like a fast bowlers slower ball, though a little more subtle
Also, even with less revs, the ball would not have simply gone "straight on". it would have turned a little. If Warne could replicate this delivery simply bowling less revs, he need'nt use the slider
It is a leg spin of course no doubt. Don't you see the angle at which the ball is delivered and then it become straight... Its a leg spin no doubt..
Warnie was most successful against eng. Indian pitches , he simply can’t instil the same fear. I remember Kambli destroying warme in one match played in Mumbai. Took him for 20 some runs in that one over. Down the pitch, drives, cuts , .
Lol that must be the highlight of his career. Pretty ordinary batsman outside of India.
Hope to face Warne bowling one time👍🔥🔥
He wasn't a mistery bowler. He's action was very simple and clean. He just bowl the leg break, wrong one and disguised the batsman's with his straighter ball. Before his shoulder injury he used to bowl the flipper a lot. But after the injury he didn't bowl the flipper. And his wrong one was very easy to pick. It wasn't like Rashid Khan's. Still he got 700. Tell's about his ability and cricketing mind. He isn't the person to follow off the field, but probably the greatest cricketing brain on the field with the ball in hand.
I like Micheal vaughan batting stance
Warnie gave ian bell nightmares. Bell became a top batsmen once warne retired
Ian Bell got bullied in this series like a kid by the Australians.
shane warne is a classic spinner .he does not have a big run up but he turns it too much sometimes
It's a leggy that doesn't spin much
he couldnt land the flipper with consistency so he developed a slider. and yes thats his slider
Jesus.!!
Would've been scary facing him
*THAT WAS DEFINITELY A LEG BREAK SPUN FROM RIGHT TO LEFT AND THEN THE BALL HIT AN ANOMALY LIKE A TINY STONE OR SOMETHING HARD AND IT JUST STOPED ROTATION AND WENT STRAIGHT, QUITE SIMPLY LUCK 🍀 with that delivery*
Leg spinner because it came out of the side
I think he calls it the "flipper." Comes out of the front of the hand.
Bowling has degraded so much now and pitches have become slow. All conditions favour batsman
It’s called natural variation
Well only if it’s warne he can do any spin
Great ball to Flintoff.
It's a Top SPINNER!!!
I love shane Warne
funny thing its a top spinner