Low End Video Cards Rant & Radeon R7 240 Unboxing & Review
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- To be clear, I'm not trying to hate on MSI or AMD here. NVIDIA's low end graphics cards made by EVGA or ASUS or whoever else are equally pointless.
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Pre-built companies be like.
FX-6300 Vishera CPU, clocked at 3.5 GHz.
8 GB RAM
Ultra, blazing fast Radeon R5 230!
-_-
+AlphaLineGaming No, they would undoubtedly put an i7 CPU.
And don't forget those performance enhancing red LEDs.
+Amar Gandhi god i hate prebuilds
they be like Intel core i7, 500gb ssd, 16gb ram and an astonishing integrated Intel HD graphics
Amir M'Saad Nah, they always go with discreet graphics so they can be like "EXtreame Gaming Series XXX PRO Radeon R7 240"
I've seen some companies defend their choice in a 750 TI by saying it is from an "extremely popular series".
Amar Gandhi lol why can't people build their own pc its. I'm going to be complete honest I'm 13 and ive build my own pc last 2 months I don't see how people say its soo hard so they buy a prebuild instead its ridiculous
Video : 2013
UA-cam recommendations : 2020
Excuse me I searched for it
And now everyone is buying those things to get started on pc gaming lmaoooo
*2021
I'm trying to sell this piece of junk on Amazon. why are you bad mouthing it
UnitedRecording hahaha i'm dead
UnitedRecording i will mail you 20 USD cash for it
I will e-mail you the mailing address of a dying Nigerian prince looking to pass on his wealth, as he has no legal heirs.
Now that's some good sauce
In case anyone wanted a real update, I did sell it to some sucker for $56.74. Thankfully they did not watch this video... LOL.
“Far cry 3 is a hardcore title” oh how times have changed.
Isaac Osborn exactly what I thought
Not to mention that his current outro is basically the same as in this video (barred the improved aesthetics on the graphical design aspect, it even has the same exact music).
2 Years later the witcher came from the north, from Ropers Gate...
youre telling me
Hmm... times have changed even more now
lol there is a 7770 on newegg for $70 after rebates, $10 less for over twice the performance (from a 2 year old card). Good review and thanks for the honest opinion.
i got that card for 80 on new egg and can run bf3 on high at 30 frames.... its way better then the crap there trying to sell
Aaron Ozuna I can't even....
oh hey tech yes
My HD 7770 2GB is a champ. Still plays everything (though AC: Origins and Star Citizen play on minimum settings at 720p). Even renders quickly in Blender (on paper it's not supported, but in practice it actually does work well).
I highly doubt SC is playable on that.. tried the lowest settings I could get changing config files using my old r9 270x... unplayable. Considering the performance compared the the 7770.... I call bullshit
Feels strange to be watching this In late 2022, they could have never foretold how the market would change.
Are you saying the same isn't true for the 3050?
Just bought this card yesterday didn't wanted to buy nvidia 710 and 730 this card was cheaper than 730 ddr3
RX 6400
@@Akshay_Blacksorry for ur loss
Nah, the main idea is still very accurate
The 750ti is a true miracle. I'd recommend that if you can't afford something higher end.
yeah I picked up a 750 ti and it has not disappointed me.
Dissapointed me... getting xfire x480
The 1050 will be $100 and it runs fucking *nice*
BobTheBacon Yeah also im getting r9 295x2 instead of 2 rx 480
BobTheBacon or, for $40 more, get the 1050ti, an even better card. It's only $140 and can run basically all games at 1080p
We don't want you to review low end, we want you to review the middle. R9 390, GTX 960, GTX 750 TI, etc.
This video is 3 years old nigga
KodredCud lol really. ?
KodredCud r9 390 is the best amds card lol its high end
+Pablo Santiago Rodriguez Sanchez Your profile pic is very appetizing.
prospectus Much obliged.
Gamer Xtreme PC for only $800:
Intel Pentium G4400
R5 230
now on Bestbuy
U w0t m8
G4400 isn't bad though.. With a 100$ 750TI it can run GTA V @ 4K 30-40FPS
lol 4k?? yeah right
Fukn Memelord you are high....
Fukn Memelord
yea... on minimum settings
its not that they don't make sense. its the fact they are priced HORRABLY! Low end cards should only be around $30-$40
danz409 they are 50-60$ now
thedillon25100 and this video is 2 years old.
DanielRichards644 so? your point?
thedillon25100
my point is 2 year old tech is CHEAPER then it was 2 years ago fool.
DanielRichards644 so? i was bringing it up because now its a viable option for duel graphics.
From skimming the comments it seems a lot of people have taken offense at the benchmark tests being run at high settings on 1080p..
Of course he knows it's pointless to try to run those games at 1080p on that card, that's pretty much his point! What several people don't seem to understand from the video is that a slightly more expensive card CAN perform at that level to a "satisfactory" degree. (Obviously what a "satisfactory degree" is will depend on your own personal preference).
He's running the games at 1080p to give a base level of comparison for all three cards. Saying the r7 240 can run Farmville on 360p at 60 fps tells consumers nothing, it would be similar to saying a Titan can run Farmville at 500,000 fps. It just means nothing. That's why you test it on some real games on "high" settings so that potential buyers can know what to expect from what they're looking to buy and can reasonably compare one card's performance to another's.
Another point some people have apparently misunderstood is that the other 2 cards he's comparing the 240 to are NOT "super high end" cards by any stretch of the imagination, they are only slightly more expensive than the 240 and are both under the $150 price point.
If you want to run games on minimal settings, you may as well not buy any card at all and stick with onboard graphics. Spending $80 on a card that wont get you much of a "boost" is stupid, especially when you can spend an extra $20 or $40 and get a massive improvement over both onboard or something like the R7 240.
I understand economics can be a vital constraint, but what I don't understand is how you can justify spending the initial $80 to marginally increase your PC's gaming performance, but can't justify another $20 to triple it beyond that. Are you really in a situation where you will starve if you spend an extra $100 one month, but you'll do just fine if you only spend $80?
Though do note after looking up their current prices, the 240 has dropped down to $60-70, the 7770 to $65-99, and the 260x to around $90-140. Different manufacturers will take the base card, make different modifications, and set different retail prices, and then different vendors will add their own kick to that retail price. That's why it's important to shop around. And of course these 3 cards are not the only options, the market is thankfully flooded with options.
If you're looking at the $50-$150 price point I think the R9 270 at around $130 is the best current option in that range, with the GTX 660 being the best NVIDIA comparable.
The GTX 760 is of course newer than the 660, but at the time of writing this it is around $180-200. And if looking to buy a 660 do note there is indeed a difference between the "GTX 660" ($130-140) and the "GTX 660 ti" ($250 refurbished).
I'm still doing research for my own purchase and I by no means claim to be a computer God, so don't take my word as law. I'm just trying to point someone maybe less informed in the right direction. Do your own research and find what's best for your specific case.
Wow, this was exactly was i was thinking! good written.
***** thank you.
its funny because on board graphics are getting better and better. i can run Warframe on medium to high settings at 1366x768 at 60+ FPS with an i5 3317u
Honestly I don't think the AMD vs Intel onboard graphics argument is one worth having. Yes onboard graphics have come a long way recently, but in the end both are still vastly inferior to even modest dedicated cards.
If you're playing on lower resolutions and/or lower settings yes onboard graphics can get the job done, but honestly it may well not be necessary to settle for that any more, unless you're really tight on cash, in which case you probably shouldn't be looking at the Intel core 5 or 7 series anyway because of their price.
Intel recently released their Pentium Anniversary CPU (officially labeled "Intel Pentium G3258" I believe) which is priced around $75 or a bit less, and gives phenomenal performance for the price, especially when overclocked. I think it fair to say that no CPU with onboard graphics, Intel or AMD, can compete with a CPU like that combined with a quality budget PCIe card like maybe an R9 270, R9 280, GTX 660, or GTX 750 ti. I think it's very hard in general to beat that combo at around the $200 total price point for a CPU+GPU. (In terms of gaming, obviously.)
UA-cam is now recommending me these videos after I realized I got scammed with the R7 240 5 years ago.
"I'm Linus and this is why I don't review low end products. They suck."
Bravo. I applaud that.
I don't think Linus gets low end products. This is not meant as a gamer's grade GPU. It's low profile and low energy. You put this kind of thing in your dad's old core 2 duo Lenovo or Dell desktop and you will be able to watch hd video and play plenty of games that it couldn't before. Not everyone has the options that are available to people in first world countries. He's only concerned with performance, but that doesn't matter when you have a 7 year old cpu. If you have a modern i5 or i7 of course you should get a better card.
I know this is 2 years old but it's still relevant.
+Ceasius Funny I was thinking the same thing. That's why I scrolled through the comments to see if someone mentioned it. He also is comparing a full size card to a low profile card. I had an old HP slimline PC with limited power and a Pentium 4 processor, so I knew I was limited by what the machine could handle rather than the power of the GPU in it.
+Ceasius I really don't want to be rude..but i can't see any of his videos reaching out to countries other than 1st world ones...if you have money and want to spend it but dont know what to get this is the place people come to for help and information about what is the best product to spend the money on...if you don't have money then there isn't much reason to watch his reviews. Other than that i guess you would watch his PC builds to learn how to build but thats it?
+Ceasius the point in the video is that even if you're not planning to play games or render videos it doesnt make much sense to spend $80 for that card, when you could pay $20 more, which is really not a lot more, and get more than twice the performance, esentially what linus is saying in the video is that there's a lot more value in the $100 range than below it and you get way more for just a little bit of more cash.
an analogy would be paying $1 for a 1-scoop cheapo ice cream cone or paying $1.25 for a 3-scoop ben and jerry's cone
+Techno sailor You're wrong about only people in 1st world countries with money watching his videos. People who seek knowledge whether from a 1st or a 3rd world country will watch videos that Linus uploads. Linus even has the videos where instead of reviewing a product he explains a technology. Also if you have seen his video where he builds an insane dual processor computer to run a benchmark you might understand that it isn't all about telling you what to buy.
+Gerardo Sánchez Del Real I see your point and I understand the point that is being made in the video. I was only responding to the fact that the major difference between the cards in the video is one was low profile. Sure 3 scoops are always better than one, but what if your cone can't hold 3 scoops. Then you have to buy a new cone and they could cost anywhere between $1 and up depending on the cones features.
I really feel like you should make this into a Tech Quickie video, I know many people that would benefit from this information that might find it difficult to understand this video.
All the plus 1's on this
awesome idea, It would be nice to see how it performs against an APU as well.
this is prob one of my favorite LTT videos ever, please make more 5 minutes videos berating shitty products
i7 4790k
Corsair H100i
Asrock Z97 motherboard
Corsair vengeance LPX 16gb 2,133ghz
Geforce GTX980ti
Corsair CX600M
will this be able to run Club Penguin on medium settings?
HamsterWheelGaming hahahaahha
HamsterWheelGaming youre going to have to step up to an i7 6700k that cpu will only get you 3000 fps max
brian philips Agreed, upgrade the CPU to a 6700k and change the ram to DDR4. Not sure if the 600 watt power supply will work with a 980ti, heard some rumors about a 750w PSU minimum.
HamsterWheelGaming Pfft, good luck running minesweeper
+HamsterWheelGaming God damn.... although if you only are gaming then you should've just gotten an i5. i7's are really only for gaming, recording, and editing. While i5's are for gaming and cheaper.
And dont forget those prebuilds with an i7 16 gigs of ram 64 bit OS and a fucking gt610
+srba filipovic And those fked up "insert brand" call it "GAMING PC". And tech idoits saw "i7 16gb", they would be like "OMGZ i7 16gb THIS IS A GOOD GAMING PC AND I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT GRAPHIC CARD".
WB IsMe ik man. Idk if it happens to you but when my wannabe gamer friends ask me about my PC they always ask me about my CPU and ram and im over here wondering why do they even care about that if they in the end just wanna find out if i can run gta 5 on max. A clear sign that a person has no knowledge on gaming PCs.
it happens to me too. many newbies only focus on ram and cpu while totally ignoring the existing of a graphic card.
Yeah I hate those companies like ibuypower and Borg-q that charge 600$ for an fx-6300, 8g of ram, and a gt610, absolute dickheads. They capitalize on noobs and aesthetics to sell their garbage pcs.
+srba filipovic Who knew GTX750 TI actually in the box but forgot bout it
The R7 240 isn't totally useless, I mean all you need to do is take the fan off, attach a stick, and BAM! $80 back scratcher! You'll be the coolest kid on the block with an $80 backscratch, you'll also be the ONLY kid on the block with an $80 backscratcher!
Hahahahahaha you made my day sir
Ditto. And your username is also fantastic.
I do what I can! ;)
It's 2020 now. Bought the HIS 260X 2GB back in February 2015 after being confused wether to go with 7770 or 260X.
Massive thanks for Linus for this video, the 260X surprisingly holds up well in 1080p. Even the latest battle royale, COD Warzone. Still getting 35-45 at 1080p low. Of course I can get more with 900p settings. And Linus. Please keep spreading facts. Never stop loving your channel since day one 🙌
its better to buy last gen stuff than buying low end current gen stuff. i learned that from getting a gtx660 oc :D
+Erick Sitter i cant afford a 760 / 960
+xSixtyyy You can always check out GPUshack. They have refurbished cards that imo are great for $150>x USD like a GTX 660 SC for $100
+Erick Sitter im 15, i have no credit card.
+Jonathan Velazquez thanks, i'll look into it :D
+xSixtyyy No problem dude, I'd also look at /r/buildapcsales and EVGA B-Stock sometimes have crazy sales like GTX 780ti Classified Kingpin for $180 and still performs a bit better than the 970 though is limited with 3GB VRAM
To all of you people hating on Linus for this video:
Many of you seem angry that he's scoffing cheap GPU's. If you're that broke that you can't afford an extra $100 on a GPU then why the hell are you PC gaming? Choose a cheaper hobby or buy a damn console until your financial situation changes(hopefully for the better). Linus is preaching intelligent investment. Value (high or low) does NOT always equate to performance. Some products are simply more cost efficient than others. The trick for a budget gamer is to do the research to find what the most cost efficient components are so that you can maximize value for product. This all depends on what your current needs for a computer or any product are however. Most modern gamers go to channels like this to find out how to maximize cost efficiency, this is what Linus will give you. This does NOT apply to you if all you want to play are indie web browser games or freaking minesweeper or something. You are not the majority.
PS I am not claiming that there is anything at all wrong about being in this minority demographic, im simply pointing out that you are in the minority so you can't expect UA-camrs to cater towards you.
That's why most poor people are still poor. They don't know how to invest money. Look at how many 'ghetto' area homes have these brand new cars with thumping stereos and big ugly ass rims....They don't know where to put their money, and that's why they still live in a slum. I don't know about you, but I'd rather live in a decent area and drive a normal basic car.
Thank you!
Instead of spending money to buy a console, I spend it on a graphics card. I have a brand new GTX 970 Strix and it shits all over consoles. Also you can get more games on PC with Steam sells and such.
Yup. I sold all of my console stuff and bought 2 GTX 980's so I can game in 1440p. Best decision ever.
Ok, before reading on yes im going to be 'That Guy' that takes all your info and says how it is wrong. Hope you enjoy :D
So lets break down your comment. "If you're that broke that you can't afford an extra $100 on a GPU then why the hell are you PC gaming?" Saying "that broke" is very far off. Im sorry but a $130 graphics card is NOT cheap. You have to assume you actully have all the other hardware to meet it to. And PC gaming is not wakeing up some day and saying "IMMA PC GAMERZ"... no. It is a long term investment unless your some rich kid that can go spend $1500 + to get a new gaming computer. "buy a damn console until your financial situation changes"... wait so your saying that we should buy a console (If your lucky at $150)... and considering you assume we have absolutely no money for a graphics card how in hell are we going to buy a console? "Linus is preaching intelligent investment" Yes he is, but for high end computers. Not low to medium end.... so that is an invalid statement. "Most modern gamers go to channels like this to find out how to maximize cost efficiency, this is what Linus will give you." Well by "modern" im guessing you mean BF4. But for others their 'modern' is things like MW3 or Minecraft. So once again invalid statement. "This does NOT apply to you if all you want to play are indie web browser games or freaking minesweeper or something. You are not the majority." If someone is playing games like minesweeper I dought they know/care a single shit about their graphics card. So they would never worry about seeing this video and for the last time it makes your statement invalid.
Im not trying to be rude but seriously, all because you have $160 to go blow on a graphics card it dosn't mean we all do. And all because we don't dosn't mean to more or less tell us to go fuck our selves for now and get a console which cost just as much as $160. Now you can take your happy ass and go play your BF4 on max settings bragging "OMG I GOT 130 FRAMES A SECONDSSSS!!!S!111!!!!!" While us "that broke" people apperently go buy a console and invest $60 more to get a decent game. To wrap it all up, fuck you.
POOR PEOPLE BOMB IN 3, 2, 1
Ok but let's be real.. Like he said, spend $80 on a GPU that generally sucks and you probably must buy a new one in less than a year because nothing is able to run on it
OR
Wait 2-3 month's or so and save up $40-$50 before you buy a new gpu and buy one for $120-$130 instead and WOW
You can actually play games, AND you can run most stuff at a nice framerate for like 3 YEARS atleast, And then you hopefully can afford a new even better gpu if you want to.. Instead of buying an $80 GPU every 6month because nothing works on it.. Get it together, I live in a quite poor family and dont really get too much from my family so i need to get my own money and even i managed to get a GTX 660 with an Fx8350... Its not much but its WAY better than a " i suddenly feel like getting a gaming computer, but i only have so much money... O well i guess this passively cooled GT120 will do" -.-
Also, sidenote:
I got a new mouse, wanted a good mouse and didnt really care about pricing because if you are going to upgrade something for a long time then you better do it the right way...
I bought a mouse for about 80 euro's
My friend (who has about the same monthly income)
needed a new mouse, he didnt save up for a new expencive one, he went and bought a 20 euro mouse...
I have used my mouse for about a year now without any problems what so ever and i really really enjoyed the mouse, Good performance, accuracy, cool lightning, breaded cable, adjustable weights, and it fits very nicely in my hand....
My friend however have bought new mice for about 250 euro total.
He has spent way more in the long run using mice that give him cramps because of bad build. They have bad sensors and no functions..
Buy quality and performance and cry while paying instead of Buying cheap stuff and be happy while paying but crying every time you use it
I agree some people however want to save as much money as possible and then they wonder why the things they bought are completely worthless go figure.
AINT NO BUDDY GONNA RED DAT!
actually to where I live you can grab a mouse for 2$ us dollar converted. my wife used to buy that junk and so are those 3$ us converted keyboards from CD-R King. with a week or so warranty. guess what? I bought my mouse for 50$ and still goes strong after all these years and my wife kept on buying a new one ever 1 or 2 months in the end spent more than I did so she decided to buy a better built mouse and it's been 2 years now without the need of upgrading :) and she's as happy as a puppy. ***** you make a lot of sense bro :) +1
Rig Explosion yeah right
Henning Waloen I did.
So much advice here still holds true. I had to convince a dude just now to not buy a GT 710 or 1030 because he had $50 and felt he needed a GPU even though he already had a Ryzen 3 2200G.
still rocking a 2200g over 4 years later
There is one thing Linus and , probably most of you guys don't take in consideration, not all GPUs are used for gaming, something like this R7 240 can just be used to watch 1080p movies, fcb games or just to give signal to the monitor.
do that with the iGPU
well you can use your CPU's graphics chip to give signal to your monitor for the use you are talking about!!!
too expensive
basildoulas not all cpu's have integrated graphics
If your running a computer so old that you need a HDMI port through the GPU buy a raspberry pi. $35 supports 1080p video and works as a complete computer
What is your problem? Even if it's not sweet spot, some people just can't afford the sweet spot graphics cards. So you're basically trying to convince AMD and Nvidia not to make any graphics cards below $100 and just say "FUCK YOU" to everyone who doesn't have $100 to spend. This graphics card is $60 right now and it can handle most games from 2013 at 720p, medium settings and above 50FPS. Some people could only dream about that. Seriously, you have no idea how many people are playing PC games at 800x600, 20FPS and lowest settings. You are just spoiled by $1000 graphics cards. Even if you know a lot about tech, you've never been in a poor country where everyone games like that. Just keep doing videos on high-end tech and don't touch on the cheaper stuff because you just don't get it.
hristaki99 If you can't afford to drop $10-20 more you shouldn't even be thinking about playing games on a PC. Instead you should think about selling your potatoes to get something better
Ununified I thought I said it clear enough. For some people to even get to R7 240, they have to drop $30. If they want something faster, they have to drop additional $30. That's $60 in total. That "$20 gives you much better performance" thing is stupid because if you were planning on buying a budget PC and keep adding $20 for better performance, you're gonna end up with an R9 270x.
hristaki99
I think the point of this video is to show the price:performance ratio. The R7 240 is "expensive" relative to its performance. So saying "20$ and you'd get 3x the performance" is like saying "You could spend your money on something better than an R7 240".
Haricz Except if you don't have that money for the "something better".
Its not about the settings, its about how far behind it is relative to the competition. Yes, the R7 240 would run faster at lower settings, but then so does everything else. Pick any settings you like, and its still going to under-perform terribly for its price.
I have an R5 230. It's a great card to run the windows desktop in my server.
"IN YOUR SERVER"
And? If these "shit-tier" GPUs didn't exist, I'd have to spend around $100 or more to even have my server boot, vs the $25 I did pay.
+raduque Yeah I understand your point and I am all for that, but mostly you get scammed for the performance of the card compared to the price, reasonably the price should be 40 - 30 dollars
I do realize that's the point, but I do like the fact that these cards exist - if you get them cheap enough they are perfect workstation cards, where the performance is irrelevant.
+raduque You're almost better of to get a Radeon HD 5450 in that case
you gotta oc it bro! i got the 240 in 4 way sli
GPUabuse SLI XDDD
LOL! it's funnier after 2 weeks.
GPUabuse yeah right
:)
You guys are so smart! :P
These cards are just used as marketing gimmicks by OEM's. "ohh this PC has AMD Radeon/Nvidia GeForce graphics so it's a "gaming PC" or "This PC has 2GB of graphics memory so it's better than any PC with only 1GB"
exactly
I scored a Gigabyte R9 270X Windforce OverClocked Edition 2GB for $130. That's a sweet spot :D
Thomas Edwards Im getting that same card, but by XFX. So how does is it perform for todays games?
jokamutta i have 2 of the XFX brand and i can tell you that i am very happy with them. remember to shop around they are not cheap but are worth buying. be careful buying used as there is no guarantee that it will last as long or even work like a new in box unit.
joshua neill Thanx!
Thomas Edwards Freddie Sotelo Watch out with buying second hand AMD cards. I know for sure that most r9 280x's have been used to mine BTC.
***** he didnot get ripped off. He bought it for super cheap.
So you are telling me my R9 270 2GB isn't crap?
DJ Jesus.He Died for your spins exactly
Vic Vinegar Hey where is your partner, Hugh Honey?
Dr Alec Reaper He can fuck off for all I care. He tried to bring other people into the bedroom, so I told him enough's enough. But I have my rescued pit bulls and homemade candle business to get me through this.
Dr Alec Reaper HE'S A FUCKING... liar. Ahem. I'm not going to do this. He's a liar and I'm over this. Good night.
DJ Jesus.He Died for your spins That is actually pretty much right in the middle of the GPU sweetspot. Even though I wouldn't buy one because, NVIDIAAAAAAA fanboy and I got something a little better because I could.
What does 6-year-old Linus suggest sff office PCS use to add extra display outs or minor GPU acceleration eh? What should you buy in its place? Ehhhhh
Cheapest possible option, if video outputs are the goal. These card's are terrible for gamers. If you need a gpu for office pc's you don't need an 80$ "gamer" gpu, you need a 25$ video output.
also Luke covers this in an updated video. ua-cam.com/video/xp6ltBCMDCE/v-deo.html
@@Johndoe-lx8sh I had one of those cards for years in a prebuilt, it was terrible but i got plenty of usage from it
Hey guys, do you think my PC Build will be able to run GTA V on Ultra?
Intel Core 2 Duo
Radeon R7 240
Some random PSU I bought for 5 bucks (What a steal!)
720p moniter for them amazing HD Graphics am i rite.
Chewie no
Chicco Barcenas Wrong answer pally, I bought GTA V the other day, and I got 65-75 fps on highest settings.
Chicco Barcenas You just got PUNK'D
Chewie were all of the advanced graphics settings turned on?
Not Tom yee bud. thats what highest settings is
in the UK you can get a 7750 for the same price (£64.99) or a 7770 for £5-£10($8-$15) more, which is just stupid pricing because theres no reason to pick a 240 over a 7750
I agree. I don't see why you should buy these sub $100 GPUs when if you save up a tad bit more, you get more amazing cards
To all the people saying low-end cards aren't for gaming:
If you're not gaming (or doing video work, whatever) you don't need a discrete GPU at all. The onboard graphics that come with any modern CPU is plenty powerful for your poor casual users.
Low end GPUs are completely pointless and make no sense, stop trying to justify wasting your money.
+Shiny Rayquazza they do make sense, sorry to bust your bubble, but they only make sense under certain conditions. The most practical use of this card is to place it in an old dell with liike a pentium d or core2quad/duo and watch the machine shine again. The power supply wont explode and the cpu wont bottleneck and it will fit because its a low profile card.
+a true scotsman uth If the CPU won't bottlenck it, then it's a reasonably powerful computer already...
Infinite Zero A core 2 duo isnt considered powerful, a 750ti would strain the cpu, a 240 is fine.
***** if you lack the money, or time. What if you want to give a pc to your friend/family and they want to play tf2 or lol or even hardcore games at 720p
***** thee isnt a strong bottleneck, trust me
is it me or has linus gotten nicer on products as time goes on
Are u still there???
@@lolbit528 Are u still there???
@@crowkow4469 haha yes i am
@@lolbit528 are you still there?
@@Micecheese are you still there?
When it comes to PC gaming, people are split into two groups. The ones that research and know PC components-which are good, bad, value for money etc,- and there are people who are constantly getting ripped off money and buy crappy junk, then they play games and surprisingly bitch about how 'unoptimised' a game is when really they should clap their hands that they can even play it.
Self built vs. Alienware...
Thomas Griffin
Self built is always the best way to go!
Hehe true.... but then again there are games that are really, amazingly badly optimised.
Then theres the 3rd group, like me, throw money at my PC and do fuck all in research and buy GTX Titans and play ALL THE GAMES on max.
The Marshmallow Man Hahaha
people who on low budget but want a gaming experience ? buy used last generation high end card like GTX 580 or HD 6950, they only cost less than $100 on ebay or amazon, and you can still play newest game with high detail.
just like that im selling my 6950 2 gb unlocked the card can play bf4 in hight 1080p
***** yeah but not everyone has the money for the gen now.
Still, he was incorrect. Only correcting him.
***** someone needs to be a smartass
SlashDot.R00T.exe I'm just pointing out that his statement was incorrect. That doesn't make me a smart ass at all.
The only disappointment I got with my 260x is that it didn't come with a sticker... I want my damn radeon sticker
Mine came with a sticker. Lol
Nick Foggia
"is this card mine-able"
2018 pick up line
yes slow but it is GCN arch so yes
tfw I have intel HD graphics.
That is the most common gpu to access steam btw.
***** a GPU is a Graphics Processing Unit. The Intel HD Graphics PROCESSES GRAPHICS. Thus, the HD Graphics line from Intel are in fact GPUs despite the fact that they are part of the same die that the CPU is on. On Haswell, the voltage regulator is also on the CPU die. Does that make it any less of a voltage regulator? No. The CPU die also has small pieces of memory integrated on it (on die cache), does that make it any less of a memory device? Then there is the fact that you called it a "chipset" when you tried to correct him. Technically, it isn't a chipset. The chipset is on the motherboard, not the CPU. Although, it is partially correct since newer chips do have the northbridge integrated onto the CPU die while the rest of the chipset, now called the platform controller hub, is still part of the motherboard. The PCH, which does all the functions of the southbridge, is your chipset. Z97, H97, B75, etc are current examples of Intel LGA 1150 chipsets.
***** What do you mean clarify lol the other comment was completely wrong.
Draugur really budget build. I have g3258 in my rig, played games with its intel HD graphics for a while, then i bought r9-280 few months later. in the future i have plan to upgrade my CPU to core i5-4460. I think this is the right upgrade path for me.
Draugur Intel graphics truly master race
I can think of many situations where you want to buy a low profile ultra cheap graphic, but your gamer-mind clearly pollutes your ability to think outside the box.
+Michael Hansson Did you watch the video? The issue isn't that it's low end. The issue is that it's too expensive while delivering a terrible value.
Hey thanks for the replying, i watched it again and i must admit after i thought it through again, that you might have a strong valid point. Its performance and pricepoint might be in a no man's land and is confused for what market it aimed for in the first place. hmm interresting.
+LinusTechTips What would you recommend to someone who cannot get an Nvidia 600/700 series low profile GPU for a decent price point? I am trying to upgrade my Acer Aspire XC-605G to deliver acceptable gaming performance on SteamOS. The motherboard doesn't support Broadwell for Iris Pro, and as stated, doesn't support Nvidia's 600/700 series. This was kind of my last resort.
+Michael Hansson "gamer-mind"
you mean his common sense right
+Maindric Get something like a GTX 650ti boost 2GB. It should game ok on medium settings. You can find them for 50$ second hand and they don't consume too much power.
I bet all the people bitching in the comments about defending this card are the same people who complain PC gaming is expensive because you constantly need to upgrade your rig....Well yea when you buy crap like this it's going to feel that way! That is why reviews for high end cards are made and no reviews are made for low end cards because they have crap performance to price ratio's and I am not saying go buy a £3000 GPU setup. Yes they are more expensive to begin with but will last you... If your not interested in the latest games and are casual then this makes even more sense to buy slightly better as this one purchase may last you your whole PC lifetime and you don't need to make your game look worse than it needs too! Stop hating on Linus he is extending an olive branch here to help you get the best for your money he is not making fun or insulting people who cannot afford high end machines.....
Now that you mention it, a while back somebody was all bent over not being able to play some game or other, and went off over how they had to buy an upgrade every time a new game came out.
But that's really how it is if you like new stuff but keep wanting to buy hardware from the bargain bin.
A person can be like, YAY! I just got this new card so I can finally be above the minimum requirements for this game I've been wanting to play, then a couple of months later when a new game comes out and you look at the requirements... doh...
That's what happens when a person only buys based on their needs of today, or worse yet, their needs of yesterday. They are essentially outdated the very moment they make a purchase.
I think there's just a very basic problem in the fact that although computers are becoming more and more integrated into our lives every day, people seem to still be trying to hold on to some sort of notion that they "really don't need computers" and that computers "aren't really that important to them".
Just silly little toys those computers. Something for the kids to play games with.
Ironically, the reason I know that tons of people are still living in denial about how much they use computers, is because they put up posts online about it endlessly.
See the irony? That they are using a computer, to post about how they don't need to use a computer?
But for some reason, they don't get the joke.
They also don't seem to be able to hear themselves.
Like if there's a post where somebody is asking about build advice, and says something like, "Well, I'll only be using my computer for games..."
Which is apparently supposed to be some sort of catch-all to mean that they can save lots of money by using a sub-standard CPU or cutting corners on whatever other "expendable hardware" they've decided is unimportant , because they'll ONLY be using the computer to play games.
Many times this will also be from a person who mentions that they cannot afford to spend extra money on things like say, more than one computer.
So then, how do they plan to watch videos on youtube, and read and post comments online after they move over to using a computer that will ONLY play games.
Oh! sorry, they meant, Only play games and watch videos on youtube, and read and post stuff online, and maybe do online banking, ebay, steam stuffs, checkbook balancing, taxes, some photo editing...
So yeah, *basicially* just gaming, but also able to run a browser.
and ventrillo, and xfire, and skype, and all their other chat programs because of course chatting is part of gaming these days, but that's a given.
Oh! and of course, these days eeeeeeveryone also records all their games while they are playing them so they can post videos of what they played.
So fullscreen cap/recording while playing their game, but you know, that's just part of playing a game.
Oh yeah, well of course they will also want to be able do audio/video editing on their computer to make youtube movies from all of those recordings of their games, so you know, some light movie making and audio/video file editing, and maybe some photoshop work, and some animation stuffs to make some intros for their game movies and stuff...
In other words, they think they can just spend $400 on a "budget gaming computer" because it's "only going to be used for gaming".
**WRONG!!**WRONG!!**WRONG!!**WRONG!!**WRONG!!**WRONG!!**
If it's used for all that other stuff, it's NOT just used for gaming!
AND if you need to be able to do all of that stuff, and do it reasonably well, *you are NOT eligible for ANY sort of "budget build".
"Budget builds" are for people who are willing to sacrifice huge amounts of computer performance, capabilities, and growth potential in order to save enough money to buy *several* large pizzas.
"Budget builds" are also for people who don't have enough money to buy mid-range video card, but can afford to build a mini htpc for every room in their house, because they "are really SAVING money in the long run". (don't ask me how that logic is supposed to work. They probably got a rebate on something. just avoid those people.).
"Budget builds" are NOT for people who want a decent amount of performance and/or versatility, but can't afford to "waste money" on really high end hardware.
This other thing is for those people. It's called, "saving up your money for a little while so you can afford to buy something that suits most, or all, of your needs."
Anyway, people just don't really seem to be able to realize how much they already take for granted with computers, so they tend to repeatedly underestimate their needs.
Amen
chrischaf Holy fuck dude, I got about 3 lines down and gave up lol
B4DH4cK3r
Sorry about that.
I mean, *seriously*.
If I could come up with some simple analogy that would sum up what I'm trying to say, in 3 to 5 lines, trust me, I'd MUCH rather do that, than spend an hour (or hours) trying to explain things to a general consumer about the difference between *truth*, and *truth in advertising*.
Advertisers always have the advantage, because they can just say, well, pretty much whatever unsubstantiated claim that they want, then people who know more about something have to write a freaking novel in an attempt to explain what's true and what isn't in order to *prove them wrong*.
While the consumers themselves tend to sit there coming up with ways to defend the advertisers.
Anyway, I'm sorry I don't know of a simpler way to try and explain stuff like this:\
I really wish I did.
Dude you gotta learn to make you're points short and sweet or no one is going to listen to you.
I love the way this is presented. It reminds me of the way Clarkson, May and Hammond used to review the "cars that people actually buy".
to compare benchmarks to, can you please include (especially for these terrible cards but in general) a system with no graphic card installed, so we can see a control.
Thank you =)
That's actually a VERY valid point, hope linus sees this
need more comments to be at the top :D
I'd like to see this too :)
I put a low end NVidia card into my mom's old work machine because her temps were awful, running on a Pentium dual core, and using IGP. So, I put a GT 640 in there to help take some of the load off her CPU, and it decreased the temps by about 10-15 degrees. THAT'S the only reason I'd use a low end GPU.
There ya go, there is a good example of why a cheap GPU like this would make a decent buy, cause not every video card is going to be used for gaming, I just recently built a lower end APU MiniITX machine for my mother running LinuxMint, and if i do anything else too it, It will be adding on of these cheap R7 GPU's too it so she can get a few more years out of it along with maxing out the ram.
Benchmarking it on Crysis 3 probably gets it 0.000001 FPS
It gets a solid 60 seconds per frame
brickman409
That just made my night.
brickman409 XD
brickman409 You sir win the internet,
brickman409 Everyone that isn't even a bit into PC stuff is like ''what the hell is so funny about that'' :P
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It makes sense from a business perspective. This product is for the uninformed buyers who want a 'dedicated' graphics card. It fits the gap between the processor integrated GPU and a graphics card that they can't afford. It's for the people who want a 'gaming' PC for all they can afford right NOW. The uninformed, impulsive and on a budget consumer.
An example of this type of idiot is myself. I bought a small form factor pre-built PC, the Alienware X51 base model(revision 1). Opted for i7-3770@3.4GHz and 16GB, but shipped with a measly GT640. I mean, I can play CS:GO, LoL and Dota2, but not higher end titles.
As I'm now aware after watching Linus' videos, the fan noise is downright annoying(poor airflow) and upgrade-ability is very very limited due to PSU constraints. I'm now thinking of salvaging the CPU and RAM but the aging 3770 with socket LGA1155 limits me to very little motherboard choices.
So, yeah I paid USD1000(3 years ago) for a loud, difficult to upgrade, 'console replacement'.
+Kenneth Tang lolz well said
+Kenneth Tang I disagree, it is not for that. If you were fooled by some group putting together pcs for you, then it's on you, not the manufacturers. Paring this graphics card with an i7 gaming grade pc is a horrible idea. This is meant for breathing life in older computers, like your dad's old Dell or Lenovo core 2 duo desktop, that can only handle low profile and low power cards, so you can watch HD videos without stutter and you can play plenty of older or lighter games that it couldn't before.
+Ceasius That's what I said though? It was on me and not the manufacturer. And yeah good point on the use for older machines with a lousy integrated gpu on the CPU/Mobo.
Kenneth Tang Oh, yeah I misunderstood what you said, thought you meant it's intended as shady business. But I would be carefull with prebuilts unless they specificially advertise what motherboard and what power supply they use, because people are lured in by the type of CPU and the amount of RAM then they cheap out on the other components.
You still have a good PC, even to this day, you just need a better GPU.
+Kenneth Tang I have an x51 as well and I'm satisfied with it. Mine came with a 555 and i entirely expected to upgrade it by now. Going with a 960 and i won't have to replace any other parts.
This isn't a gaming card. With the low profile mounts and small power requirements this is for multimedia boxes or a computer to use for internet and basic work functions.
Even then though it makes stupid sense; when you are looking for a low end card for this sort of stuff you normally want something passively cooled for low noise/silent machines.
Spend a bit more and you can get something with a nice honking passive heatsink. It doesn't have to be powerful to be able to play movies and/or bring up a web browser.
You may as well get a APU if you aren't looking for power.
GGaming Depends on what software / OS you are planning on running on your media server. There is better support for nvidia/amd graphics for myth and xmbc servers than APU based graphics support - in particular it's less glitchy and requires less CPU hardware.
But you make a valid point for a work station/internet browsing machine. There really is limited use cases for the low end cards.
i dont know who you are but i will find you and agree with you
I agree with you, however to a Media PC someone might be better off with an APU
why would you buy a dedicated graphics card for internet browsing or watching movies?
I was going to get the titan but my friend recommend this... I got it and it runs crysis 3 at 60 fps ultra full resolution... Man it was so worth it... But it still can't run minesweeper
Why get the titan when you can get the 780TI.
I think the R11 200.1 comes with drivers that boost Minesweeper performance to as much as 4 FPS!
MrMRGamer1010 why get a 780TI when you can get a R9 290 which performs pretty similar to a 290x for half the price of a 780ti?
Tom Herber because isnt the R9 290X trying to kill itself? Hot Hot?
And here I am, getting this recommended 7 years later, while I'm still with my Radeon R7 240
Gt 710 rockzzz
Another point against low end inexpensive graphic cards is that some CPUs are getting really good integrated onboard graphics, especially when it is comes to AMD's APUs, which pretty much have low end graphic card capablities built in.
i'm running a a8 5600k integrated graphics are still not good enough i cant run kerbal space program using intergrated graphics but when i got a asus nvidia geforce 650 i can run it in max setting with no lag
Matthew Ferguson
I second that. I used to own a EVGA GT 240 and then upgraded to a EVGA GTX 650 after a user over at Dolphin forums recommended it. (My cards are Nvidia cards, but the differences are comparable)
BF4 ran dirt slow on the 240 even at low resolutions. But on the 650, I can almost max it out on my monitor's native resolution of 1680x1050.
Plus Dolphin (Wii/Gamecube Emulator) didn't crash randomly on the 650 like it did on the 240. Probably because the 240 barely has working DirectX 10.1 support where as the 650 has full proper DX11 support. I got mine for only $109. There's absolutely no reason to buy the 240 or similar low end cards at all.
If someone is building a PC just to play Facebook games on it or something, then just about any computer with built-in graphics would do the job just fine. Anything beyond that shouldn't be half-assed. There's no reason for these low end cards to even exist when something that's basically the cost of two large pizzas more would do so much better.
"Mid-range" cards are the minimum for anything beyond 2D gaming today. Besides, most "mid-range" cards do pretty good for the price anyways.
Gammawolf APUs require fast ram, 1866+ works really well for it. Your graphics should be fine if you've already set this up...
That peanut of a Graphics "Card" is aimed at people that for a small amount of money (Small amount of money is the deciding factor here, any more is not affordable for the target audience and they would not pay any more) wish to play PC games relatively fluid and dont look like anything before 2000... no joke... really..., they wont play Tomb Raider or Farcry 3 or Dirt 3 because who built the computer for them told them not to and they would settle by playing The Sims 3 on Medium settings for the rest of their lives... on a 1366x768 monitor (or less).
OR save up 20 - 40$ more and buy a card that'll be able to play new releases to >_> at higher resolutions.... the point of this video is to explain that the price/performance is stupid at low end graphics cards cause you pay too much for too little
Kenshin Himura When i say would not pay more, i mean it. I'm talking about in Latin America (since i don't know any other countries with these problems) and in truth 20$-40$ ends up being 60$-80$ (and the R7 240 costs 130$). And i do understand the point of the video, but with another problem which is Export/Import Taxes something this cheap becomes appealing to people that don't know a lot about this.
You don't understand. There is no point to this graphic card.
other graphic card will cost the same as this but perform almost 2x as better.
Integrated graphics can do that
Weegee64101 Integrated can actually outperform the 240, particularly AMD APUs and intel Iris or hd 5000.
Linus not every gamer needs to play games at 1080p with high detail. I know most people feel that way but I'm perfectly fine with medium settings and no AA. It all depends on what you wanna play. I'd imagine this would play minecraft very well for example. Some people just need a small boost from their integrated graphics for a small price.
Especially the anti-aliasing bit which is taxing as hell.
But why blow 80$ on a card thats not really going to be about 15$ worth of boost over onboard?
it doesn't matter if they had the games set at ultra, the point Linus was making is that the 240 simply doesn't make sense from a price to performance standpoint. You can spend $20 more and get a 7770 which completely WRECKS it in performance. The R7770 probably gets like 30 more frames on average in most cases for barely any more cash. And Dirt 3 was averaging 60 FPS at high/ultra settings + 4xMSAA on the 260x. That's damn good for the money.
Admittedly, but benchmarking a low-end card like this isn't going to produce decent results, ever.
But Linus is preaching to an audience that already knows this stuff, for the most part. People here go for mid and high-range stuff. Low-end cards are usually stop gaps implemented in pre-built systems or bought by people looking for their utility/thinking they still need a dedicated card GPU to power their system in this day and age. Basically, it's a rookie's mistake. Such a "lesson" might be better suited for the TQ channel.
Playing minecraft doesn't matter in your point, you simply can't use that game as an example because it is basically ran off of CPU and RAM not GPU compared to a easily ran game such as TF2
Please, trow it at the wall behind you. Thank you.
you're so right.
Yeah the only thing you can do with it
yep :p
Alfy Ross wrong its a perfect paper weight along side my mac paper weight
from Linus' demeanor in the video, i was totally expecting him to throw it. kinda wish he did.
Guys the HD7750 is the same price & faster then the 240. If you need something abit more then iGPU get that instead. You can even get low profile HD7750s don't touch a R7 240 with a 10 foot pole.
You can get low profile HD7750's so I'd never touch a R7 240... ever.
One video of this kind was very insightful. Good thinking, Linus.
This has been my GPU for over 5 years. Finally upgrading to just having a Ryzen 3 2200g with Vega 8.
These low profile GPUs are made for slim PCs. Not for gaming PCs. Why is he comparing it with other gaming cards that are twice it's size and are designed for big desktops?
Because all PC's with small form factor cases have integrated graphics for basic operations and since R7 240 isn't any good for games there is really no point for this card to exist. My APU graphics cores are even slightly better than this card so...
Well im getting this card because its better then the 6530D in my slim pc. Plus i only play games like gta 4.
1210saad You can buy slim GPUs for the same price or slightly few more dollars with massive performance gains over the r7 240.... The 750ti or something... Go ahead and buy it, but low end GPUs are so pointless you can just go buy an APU with better graphics and not even have dedicated graphics in your system.
Nvm your right. The radeon 6670 is way better then this piece of shit.
I bought A8-6600k for 80$ and A88XM-E35 mobo for 40$, Graphics that come with APU are even better than R7 240. It all fits to small case. Is it worth to buy this card? Hell no.
He also forgot to mention that integrated graphics often outperform these cards, making it that much more stupid to buy them.
Integrated graphics Like?
Which? Intel or AMD?
@@youtuberobbedmeofmyname amd
These can be crossfired with amd integrated apu
@@prawny12009 not with any Vega ones. Seriously, is there anyone who uses the A series CPUs nowadays?
Good video :) Everything you said is true, and that video actually makes a great point. Looking forward to seeing some new high end stuff..e.g custom cooled 290s :p ! ( Did you try overclocking outside in the cold? If you did you are awesome :D )
Cheers !
this video right here made me buy a RX580 8G instead of a RX560 + SSD late 2019. then the pandemic happened. i was like damn, i'll be STUCK with a rx560 for TWO WHOLE YEARS if a made the wrong decision there. literally invaluable throughout the lock down, i was able to play big games with decent settings. thank u linus.
I'm all for complaining about products, but I think Linus is missing the point here. A lot of people buy these kind of cards for HTPC, a lot of people have older motherboards with no decent onboard, or no onboard at all, or their HTPC graphics died and they need a new one. Heaps of people don't play games at all and just want a card to run video and youtube. There are millions of computers out there with older motherboards and people want something a little better than onboard from 2006. There are plenty of reasons why a card like this is needed, Linus should know better if he works at a PC store.
This card doesn't even make sense for those users. They would be spending WAY to much if they were to buy this card. If you need something just for video and your on board is dead then get a GT 610 from Nvidia. They cost £40 max and will easily output for HD video. And without a potentially loud and obnoxious cooling fan in your HTPC as well. This would be a waste of money for them and a waste of money for someone planning to game. There is no point for cards like this.
As you said Linus used to work in a PC store, he saw ALL the sales numbers, he knows what makes sense and what doesn't. An $80 GPU is a waste on all sides.
Considering APU's and cards with pricing like the 7750, the 240 is a really awkward card.
Then get a $20 video card, not a $75 dollar one. At work we use GT210's for that stuff
a 5450 can stream HD videos easily and that is $30
To all the people hating on Linus for hating on this card, they should know that the R7 250 (one tier higher) is only $20 dollars more but offers TWICE the performance that the 240 offers, so the 240 is objectively a bad videocard, especially for gaming.
Thats not true at all. 250 is beter, but it doesn't offer twice the performance. Even 7750 beats that junk (more shader units)
My source for my claim was a video that included benchmark results that showed 80% to 100% differences between a 240 and 250 at medium settings watch?v=xoAW2P5OI0Q
Maybe it would be cool, not if he reviews low end cards, wich I totally agree with him is stupid, but those cards that are on the 'sweet spot', not nessesairly a latest gen card, but maybe something a little bit older, easy on the wallet, but that still delivers a level of perfomance acceptable to the ammount of money you spend..
Linus has done this in the past. He reviewed the 7770 (Though this was before they did the benchmarks section of the review possibly?)
I agree that it would be nice if they did more reviews in the $150-ish price bracket. I had a 7770 before upgrading to a 7950, and it was a sweet card for the price when I couldn't afford better.
in that case might as well look as his older unboxing/overview of high end products and try to compare them to current gen. Surely they will be destroy by current gen or even last gen but I can surely believe that it will out perform all new/current low grade cards.
***** If you can sell that 7770 for a decent chunk, then upgrading the R9 270 would be a good move. The performance difference is noticeable. However, it's not going to be a HUGE performance upgrade. You might be better off looking to see if you can get your hands on a HD 7950 or 7970 (Some retailers still have some), or saving up for a R9 280/280x.
It really all comes down to the budget you can scrape together.
***** The R9 270 is about equal to a 7870, so it's a good upgrade. If you can overclock it would be good - free performance if you want it!
However, a 280X or a GTX 760 would be a huge(r) upgrade and might be most worth it.
***** you could grab a used 7950, they're cheap and perform better!
UA-cam recommending this in 2021 because it knows these are the only cards we can get 🤣
And now it costs $400 :(
I Have a High-End PC with a GTX-780 Ti, but I do keep a cheat low-end card in the drawer for backup emergencys, and in the last 5 years I had to pull it out a couple of times to be able to use the PC. And thats preaty much the only use this cards have, the same way some cars have thin ugly spare tire, just to drive to the nearest garage.
If you have a High End PC, you have your integrated GPU from the CPU. No need to spend 80 dollars on that crap, when the integrated GPU performs about the same...
Photonees assuming his mobo even has an integrated chipset.... mines considered high end and has no integrated gpu, if i dont have a card in my monitor will not load. its also pci-e and sata compatible
Photonees My mobo is considered mid end enthusiast and i dont have integrated gpu.
from time to time i need to use "the lower end" card just to run the PC
The only reason I bought a low end card for someone is because the integrated vga connector snapped off, I tore that off the rest of the way, and I used the crappy dedicated card in the pci-e slot. They were very happy they didn't have to scrap their old but reasonable computer.
I've been in that situation before, that's exactly why they are there. Band-aids. Probably still was an upgrade over the integrated graphics =)
John Schneider
Yes, they can play solitaire now!
Are you mad? Are you expecting this to play at Ultra at 1080p?
you clearly didnt get the point of the video moron. Good luck with your intelligence goals of 2014 bro!
The point of this video is to show you the benefit of buying a 80$ card that will do nothing for you. It's 2014 and if you just want a PC for everyday usage (reading e-mails, surfing the web, etc) you don't even need to spend money on a graphics card at all (onboard graphics ftw).
For 30 or 40 dollars more you can play games at High-Ultra 1080p at decent frame rates. That means, 80 dollars for this graphics card is utter bullsh*t.
He's probably saying this because he bought it but was disappointed and is trying to convince himself it's a "smart buy".
***** I didn't said anything like "OMG REALLY THIS CARD IS AMAZING" i know its not worth it but he is just exaggerating it.
Diogo Duarte I know it is a bad card about the performance and for the price tag but there is even R5 series cards, and AMD processors are cheaper, and they dont have onboard graphics. And that's why you can get a cheap card like that.
***** Not everyone can "save some more money" to buy a graphics card that is more expensive, like 40 dollars. But think, this card is not pointed at games who want to play games at ultra or even 1080p.
Joseph Dawli NO. I DIDN'T. Also i have a graphics card that is equal to a R5 series card (its HD6570) and i am not convincing "smart buy".
Radeon 7770 would've been a great option for the money. But I would simply recommend the GTX 750Ti or 1050Ti Because they don't cost to much and they are hidden gems under a pretty cheap price.
my friend just bought a 7790 for 80$ USD (60$ after rebate) If you are a budget conscious gamer, you can wait for a decent card to go on sale.
Goddamn! That's less than the price of a fucking 7770 where I live :(
***** The 7790 and the r7 260x are based on the same GPU. Linus recommended the 7770 and the 260x . The 7790 falls exactly in between those 2 cards in AMD's lineup.
*****
dude you are trolling. HD7790 for 60 $ is a present. It's one of the best-buy gpu-s (price/performance ratio)
***** I disagree a 7790 will run just about anything you throw at it with decent frame rates and settings. $60 is an incredible deal for that card. I wouldn't say spending 100$+ more on a 7870 is worth it for a budget build. I'm a 7870 owner my self. ( I wouldn't suggest going any lower than a 7790 though)
A lot of people don't have $200+ to spend on graphics, and a $100 mid range card will run a lot of current gen games just fine. People who are only going to spend money on a 7700 series aren't looking for top notch gaming with three screens, they just need it to drive games at medium graphics on a single 1080p screen. I'm rocking a 7770 and I'm perfectly happy with my decision. I know that I can't max out crysis 3 but I'm fine playing dirt 3, nba 2k13, bioshock infinite and other games at mid/high graphics 60 fps.
low end card are not only made for gaming, but they can be used for things like basic fotoshop and windows movie maker . and very small form factor pc.
and it is good for non gamers.
Anyone who spells 'Photoshop' as 'fotoshop' clearly doesn't know what they are talking about to begin with.
fotoshop, maybe if you could spell i would believe you but, like Linus said, you could spend twenty dollars more and get a much better experience out of the system then if you were to try and save a that 20.
That's not what Linus is trying to say. He's saying save your money and buy something way better for something that's a little bit more. The 7770 gives almost 3x the performance than the R9 240 for a merely $20 more. Why wouldn't you save up a measly $20 to get something 3x better? "It doesn't make sense" as Linus has stated.
...so you buy an apu
#mindBLOWN
***** Calm down! You don't have to blow a fuse just because two people said the same thing in a reply. :S
Honestly AMD kind of destroyed the low end GPU market with their line of APU's. There is no excuse to buy this card for $80 + a cpu for $60-100 when you can get the same performance (actually better) with an A10-5800k for $100 on sale. By the way anyone who is looking should keep an eye on the Newegg newsletters as they often have deals for the A10-5800k as much as $50 off.
Good point on the sale price!
I had to watch this video again after watching a recent video on cheap gpu's. I can't believe I disliked this video nearly a decade ago. I spoke about my love for the R7 240 XFX 4gb in the other video, so here you'll get my 240 2gb rant.
You did choose the absolute worst, most expensive, worst example of the R7 240. I'm glad you did as its the most common one. I use this exact card now for troubleshooting. It has seen its fair share of use especially from a friend who just wanted to play Hearthstone. I gave him the card and ended up getting it back and giving him a GT1030 for his year of sorrow when he got into Ark.
I have to say, after 9 years this card looks pristine sitting in its box with "afterburner" splattered over some type of futuristic vacuum cleaner. Its also a reminder that I should have bought AMD stock when I first became a fan boy and it was $1.60 a share. The MSI R7 240 is misery. 🙂
Linus, you now have another like for this video lol.
Nice classic wii ya got there.
Also, I built a $380(AR) PC that's as fast as a PS4. 7850, FX6300, CX430, 8GB RAM, micro ATX.
New low-end GPUs tend to be poorly priced. Better to get a higher end GPU from an older series.
Agreed
fx 6300, I bet your pc is better then the ps4;p
hitman06071998 6300FX is a great choice for gaming, its cheap and you can get great fps out of them.
The reason why this card exists is simple:
-It is not made for gamers, it is made for business machine replacement cards. -These need 32MB of ram at the most to display a picture on the screen.
A great example of this would be a firewall box running Linux or some other BSD based console based firewall, or a computer in a library running a web browser (without adobe flash or Java installed on it).
TLDR: They exist because business terminals need replacement parts that are not from vendors or that can be re-branded for vendors.
Well some years ago I would have agreed but now with APUs you get much more for your money. Even in schools/librarys and co.
Tock46 Yes..unless you need something to output to more than 3 displays, or something like that. At the same time..I would think it would be useful for something like a firewall or just to have to test a motherboard with.
That card is for low end PCs - or low profile PCs. Also people buy it when integrated GPU dies or they need card or when they don't have processors with GPU. So that kind of cards has a lot of sense.
***** You probably don't have an idea that there is no LOW profile HD 7770. 3x more performance? Yeah would like IF there would be low profile HD 7770. Better use braincells not write stupid comments.
PS Watched this video. So what?
***** its weird to see you angry dude
AkaRyupl But Linus wasnt talking about LOW PROFILE PCS wasn't he? He was talking about price to performance. not LOW PROFILE cards.
Marcus Garces
He was talking overall about that kind of cards - which was a bad idea. Tho probably it was fault of those who asked him to do so. OVERALL mostly avoids target of those kind of cards. Btw what does he have in hand? LOW PROFILE CARD.
While I can see the use of a cheap card when say the on-board graphics die. For $80, you could probably just buy a whole new motherboard, chances are, it wont be too long until other things start to go wrong with the board.
Linus isn't saying you must spend $300 on a GPU. All he is saying is, if you have $80, save up a little more, and get a card that offers say x3 the performance, for only $20 (25%) more. So rather than a $80 that doesn't play games at reasonable settings, you will have one that can just about cope with modern games
best card for a budget is the 750 ti
Probably not as much now, but I still love mine
***** not the best, plus your forgeting about resolution
Johnny Blastrz no 1050ti
fuck yeah
Johnny Blastrz the gtx 1050ti is the new 750ti. It's only $140 and can run pretty much every game at 1080p 60fps
thats probably the coolest heatsink ive seen on a low end card (see what i did there :P)
totally agree with you linus, heck, if you really need to save money you should get an APU, best bang for the buck you can get in my opinion.
meanwhile this card's price has dropped to like €50.
but then again the R7 250 is listed for about €60/70 and it perfroms twice as much making my initial point moot.
50 pounds is still around 70$
€ is euros you dummy, £ is pounds.
that still equals $68 though
danny gallegos i just looked on newegg real quick and the card shown in the video is $59 there atm, but that doesnt realy change the fact that this gpu is kinda useless. as linus has stated for slightly more money you get allot more power. (R7 250 from saphire being $79 and is effectively twice as fast)
fiattrickbox I got the R7 250 1gb ddr5 for an old Athlon II 270x, I would´ve gone higher up with the GPU, but it wouldn´t have made sense due to CPU bottleneck. My point being, the R7240 doesn´t even make sense for older rigs.
try putting a nvidia 9500GT 128MB to play crysis 2, it will play, not great but it will play, and i would love to see it in the show, just for the fun, and benchmark it with the R7 240.
i had one and it played pretty good at 1024 res...
bahram khan lol, i had one too before getting a new pc, it ran at 1920x1080 on medium, though if i blew something up it dropped fps to 12-15 other than that it was around 25-30, so playable, but not good. then it burned down, though it was during after effects.
i dont believe the 9500gt can play crysis 2 for Dx reasons.
yes it can... i finished the whole campaign with it.. buh only in medium settings and low resolution
pesoen Haha ;D
I beg to differ, I have an R7 240 in a Core 2 Duo machine. Somehow it runs Jedi: Fallen Order. I'm not even sure how that's possible. It's not great, but it runs.
Im an R7 240 and i find this video offensive
You are obsolete. Live with it.
lol :D
I have 5 year old cards that perform better than you. What will you say about that?
Marcin Kąpiński calm down there sparky.
Brett Bell You are no fun.
Yeh the super low end card make zero sense as even integrated graphics cards are getting almost as good or better than the GTX 640 / AMD 240
Are you comparing GTX 460 vs R7 240? You can't be fucking serious.
***** he probably meant GT 640 which is a similar low-end graphics card from nvidia
Please 're read it says 640 not 460
wow that is some dyslexia.
What is really sad i was thinking about a R7 240 but my APU has better performance...
i think the camera man should have waited a few more allowances and bought a tripod just saying
youtube should stop recommending me old linus vids
I guess the $80 card would make sense in a business computer, so you have a card for the sole purpose of running spreadsheet applications and word processors, and thus don't need any kind of serious performance out of your card... but aside from that I totally agree, don't get stupidly cheap cards...
Well then it would make more sense to buy an apu
You don't even need a dedicated video card on a business PC. For Office programs and that kind of stuff an integrated video card is more than enough. The only purpose of dedicated video cards is gaming.
TheEagleownage That's what I was thinking.
PCs built for that purpouse should have "GPU"s built into the mother board or in the cpu, like the "Intel HD graphics blahblah" etc... or just have a 5$ display card (not even graphic card)
Davide Giacomini no they don't my 3930k doesnt
my intergrated graphics are better
Lol
If that concept asus zeus dual-gpu x79 mobo ever takes off, so will a lot of people.
FaTaL Gtr It actually is
FaTaL Gtr Sorry, someone in the comment section told me that info, look at me, trusting people on the comment section.
Perfectly said, for anything low end I would always tell someone to go for the 7770 as I have had one and it was a brilliant little card. If they want to spend some more money go buy a 7950, one of the best cards out there and it is cheap!
I got the Radeon 7770, and I do not regret it. It's fantastic for what it's worth.
***** I ran mine for 9 months before I upgraded to my new rig and it ran BF3 at Medium settings around 45fps. I still have it in it's box and I will use it for a nice little media PC.
Usually most of the PC reviewers focus crazy expensive builds and products in general. Is there any channel that focuses on the mid range or budget builds?
I found one scenario where this card may be useful. I'm looking at the antec ISK mini-itx case, which comes with a very specific 150 watt psu. This thing only draws 30 watts max, so if you're trying to build something under extreme power restrictions I could see this card being good.
But that's a very specific scenario.
In the older days, low end graphics atleast made sense for the average user who just wanted to stick something better in their Dell or HP without getting a new power supply. But with the integrated chips getting faster, and a glimpse of what the future holds with the maxwell powered GTX 750, I can't see cards like this sticking around too much longer. You're either going to have an APU or a mid-high range GPU.
If power is a concern then a 750 ti uses less power than this.
GTX 750 ti draws 60 watts, r7 240 draws 30 watts. But like I said, situations where the 30 watts make a difference are rare.
As far as performance per watt is concerned, the 750/750ti is the best thing out right now because of the maxwell architecture.
I'll be looking forward to when Nvidia releases a sub 100 dollar maxwell card. They should be able to get GTX 660-like performance out of a card that same form factor, which is pretty great for HTPC builders.
150 Watts is far too small power output to handle this or almost any dedicated graphics card. CPU itself would draw moire than half of it's power output to work at full load and since PSU can output about 80% of input power, he,ll get about 30 watts of power for GPU alone. He's better off with something like Radeon HD 5450 and even then I'm not sure that it won't kill his PSU and with it , motherboard and all components connected.
I was looking at pairing it with one of the AMD AM1 cpus which only draw 25 watts. But you're right, 150 watts is less than ideal (hence it's a rare and extreme scenario).
It was really my attempt at trying to give a scenario where the r7 may be sort of useful.
It is useful for low profile office type of machines, providing they have both compatible PCIe port and PSU with that little extra power output which is unlikely. I ran in the same problem while upgrading Dell Optiplex. It hadn't had either PCIe nor good PSU. What i get for this was Zotac GT610 card for old 32 bit PCI slot. It draw maximum 34 Watts the slot can provide and it worked quite well.
But is Radeon R7 240 good for video editing? At least moderate video editing? This card might make sense if a person does not care about gaming and wants to build a movie center. One does not need to buy video cards for just for gaming. Sure one might argue that a person might settle with an integrated video card or an APU but the world is not that simple. Many still use PCs with older motherboards or buy old used computers that don't have integrated video cards and these low end video cards are a nice cheap solution for people who don't really care about performance as long as they can use the computer. Like older people or something. All I'm saying is that video cards are not really all about gaming.
Integrated graphics 4600 do better than this piece of crap. get them instead.
Like i said. Many people still use older computers. For example I have a motherboard with the integrated GMA 3000 graphics card thus basically any video card would be better than what I have. And many don't have integrated video cards or APUs. So this is where these low end video cards come in.
Stardustchild01 In the long run you'd save more on getting a new computer to be fair. Yes, getting there might take longer, but the bang for your buck can last you for years.
I've been in a similar situation when it comes to audio editing. You start off small, but then your tools start imposing limits on you, e.g. you're not happy with the quality, the audio isn't very full, your computer can't handle all the processing etc.
Once you've gone through your entire setup, you'll realise that it would've been better to just save up some money and get a new computer, because it would've saved a lot of money, trouble and ultimately, time.
GTX 960 is sweet spot. I have the 760. Before that I had the 460.
***** Not everyone can pull 300- out of his pocket.
***** Maybe, but you can run pretty much any game with Max settings 1080p 60 fps with a 760 except Crysis 3. So I'd still say 760 is sweet spot. You won't need better if you only play in 1080p.
EDIT:
Furthermore. Cheaper cards will maintain their value longer. Just for example... A GTX 980 (Sep. 2014) of €550 at launch has better fps than a GTX Titan (Feb. 2013) which costed €850 at launch. That's a €300 drop in less than 2 years.
***** 770 sucks i bought it for $350 2 years ago and only came with 2gb vram which is a huge limitation pain in the ass, it should have at least had 3 gb of ram, with 2 you can''t max out every game
***** 770 costs quite a lot more.
Just get gtx 970 or better r9 390 nonX for the same or less price as 770
4:40 Linus was so pissed that he nearly had a stroke
i have this and i can run bf4 4k 400fps
ultra settings
You must be from the future. Probably a intel 50090k CPU? Kappa
HiddenHeroMC
bullshit
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i swear its true
I feel offended, my Radeon HD 6670 is great for a poor soul like me.
STILL
Kytes93 your avatar just made the +1 better :D
iPro90 =3
well I must say that i had the 6570 so it's almost the same as the r7 240... but I changed to the 7770 cuz it was on a retail for 50€ so I guess you can buy a 7770 for 50€ if you get the right moment to do it :D
I feel Linus is aiming this card review at the wrong people, this isn't a gaming card, @ 1080p as stated by a lot of commenter's this is a HTPC/basic workstation card, low power consumption low noise long life card much like the GT610 2GB from ASUS which runs on passive cooling, its not a gaming card nor is advertised as one.
I think personally Linus should either review this card for the market its meant for or just not of wasted his time.
I can still see instances where low-end parts make sense. I ran a GT640 as an upgrade in my HTPC to do light gaming, because only a low-profile card would fit. It's hooked to a 720p monitor (I know, how can one possibly game at anything under 4k??) so it had plenty of power to drive older games. I guess it's all the standards you have for things.
A lot of people seem to be a little offended by the content of this video. Listen: this video is not about how you shouldn't buy low end cards because they can't run newer games at 1080 p ultra settings. It's because the mid range cards give you much more value for money. Yes you can install this card in a rig that is perfect for a cheap card because you don't need it for gaming, but that wasn't the point. Linus is saying that you should avoid buying the cheapest junk you can find because you're going to waste money that could be better spent on a slightly more expensive and better card.