How To Episode 10: Cold Blue

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  • @jhmoonbay
    @jhmoonbay 11 років тому +61

    Just so you know, the water DOES NOT neutralize the blue, the oil does. I'm a machinist who use to do Black Oxide (blue). The water is to wash away excess solution, but if you don't oil it, the rust process will continue. If you really want to get out scratches, you have to sand the area until you can no longer see the scratch. then steel wool the sanding marks, in steps from course to fine steel wool until the texture matches the rest of the barrel (or what ever component you're working on).

    • @mark5862
      @mark5862 4 роки тому +3

      Exactly right. Better to leave the scratch unless redoing and sanding the whole part.

    • @jhmoonbay
      @jhmoonbay 4 роки тому +5

      @@mark5862 I didn't even remember this. It was 7 yrs ago. Btw, I can no longer use bluing, as I have developed an allergy to it. Too bad really. I was pretty good at it.

  • @mkmitchell851
    @mkmitchell851 6 років тому +30

    It works 100% better if you WIPE the area with alcohol first...perma blue of 44/40 would have darkened those scratches instantly if you cut thrrough the oils first with alcohol

  • @caljohn88
    @caljohn88 11 років тому +5

    I just recently stripped and reblued my entire Norinco SKS with Brownell's Oxpho-blue that you mentioned briefly in this video. It is, as you said, an amazing product! I had previously used perma blue and super blue on a M38, but both of those took me at least 8 coats to achieve the deep black that Oxpho-blue got in just 2. Anyway, I just wanted to throw in my two cents. Hopefully this helps anyone reading. Love the videos keep them coming!

  • @Biostasis5x7
    @Biostasis5x7 11 років тому +4

    This type of video is simply amazing. Sharing knowledge is a selfless and awesome thing. Thanks Eric, you're the man!

  • @LSFprepper
    @LSFprepper 11 років тому +2

    I've used the Perma Blue. It works, but it does take a few applications. I have a Mossberg 88 that I shortened the barrel on, then blued the tip to blend it in. I think I used 4-5 coats. Still wasn't quite as dark as the original finish, but it was darn close.

  • @Dumak2
    @Dumak2 11 років тому +1

    I used oxpho blue to refinish an enhanced colt 1911 slide. It's all about degreasing, light once over with steel wool, heating, and then getting a good even application. There are only a couple spots in which you can even tell that it was reblued.

  • @1guyin10
    @1guyin10 11 років тому +1

    I've found that the paste version of the Birchwood Casey is much better than the liquid, especially for larger areas. I've done a few complete reblue jobs with it. If you are doing a large area its a good idea to use their prep solution to etch the surface and remove any rust. I also prep it beforehand with a series of 400, 600 and 1200 grit sandpaper to smooth out the surface. It takes a lot of elbow grease, but it can make a nice looking blue job.

  • @seabears_hate_circles
    @seabears_hate_circles 10 років тому +30

    Too bad you didn't use the perma blue right....

    • @mark5862
      @mark5862 4 роки тому +2

      @GGALLIN1776 According to the label, you're still supposed to wash after one minute and then steel wool.

  • @kezadrone
    @kezadrone 10 років тому +6

    Perma blued replica pot metal Winchester rifles. They look great. Never heated the thing first though, didn't need to.

  • @eclectic3618
    @eclectic3618 5 років тому +1

    I sand smooth, clean with alcohol, dry completely, cold blue with a q-tip, dunk in cold water, buff with light steel wool, repeat 2 to 3 times, looks like brand new, did my whole rifle. Took about an hour or so.

  • @purdywaters6457
    @purdywaters6457 11 років тому +1

    I have only used the Birchwood Casey cold blueing. When I do use it though, I actually scrub the blueing off all the way around the scratch with scuffing pads(like a 1/2-1" wide) around the scratch and blue it seems to blend a lot better. But as always love the videos, keep up the good work!

  • @mikemeadows7312
    @mikemeadows7312 4 роки тому

    I just reblued my sons gun with birchwood Casey's super blue giving it a few coats and it turned out fantastic totally satisfied.

  • @autopartsjoe1
    @autopartsjoe1 11 років тому

    I used permablue gel to do a full resto on an M93. Alot of tedious work yes, but at a fraction of the cost of hot bluing I can live with the results

  • @1guyin10
    @1guyin10 11 років тому

    Most manufacturers use a hot blueing process, which is a minor variation on what is refered to in industry as black oxide coating. It really doesn't coat the steel, but instead forms black rust as opposed to red rust. The black rust along with a bit of oil on the surface prevents red rust from forming while not changing the dimensions of the part. It is done using a mixture of salts at about 300 degrees F. Cold bluing uses a mixture of acids instead of heat to support the reaction.

  • @andyprairiedog
    @andyprairiedog 11 років тому

    I do have some BC cold Blue on hand at home and feel I need to touch up a rear TruGlo night sight. Thank you for the demonstration, sir. Well Done!!

  • @ShortGuy1792
    @ShortGuy1792 11 років тому

    I really appreciate this vid. I have my grandpa's old .22 luger repro and it's got a nasty scratch next to the toggle and this gave some good ideas on how to touch it up.

  • @ollieberry6130
    @ollieberry6130 10 років тому +4

    How about cleaning up minor rust? I would assume the steel parts must be removed from wood stocks. Enjoyed watching. Thanks

  • @trapperv9630
    @trapperv9630 10 років тому +3

    when all else failsread the instructions properly on the Birchwood casey perma blue, does not say apply with wire wool ! says apply and saturate with sponge wool is one of the earlier bluing steps

  • @allenbrowning
    @allenbrowning 11 років тому

    i have used prema blue on a mod 60 to completely reblue and it turned out real nice almost looked new

  • @RaspingPompano2
    @RaspingPompano2 11 років тому

    Once again these guys need a tv show!!!!

  • @blueovalfan23
    @blueovalfan23 11 років тому

    used perma blue on an old rifle my dad gave me. it was rough. he trade got it in a trade and someone sanded the blue off and painted the stock black with something that put me in mind of fence faint. that perma blue works with good prep work. used a few coats and it's more black than blu but considering the before and after. it's no show piece but you can only do so much to get around the deep scratches.

  • @centralbears3010
    @centralbears3010 2 роки тому

    Great information. you repaired that in about 10 minutes. Perfect. Now, Could you have scuffed with 0000 then applied a second coat then maybe a 3rd to get rid of the gauge? It was a bad scratch.

  • @Busefalis
    @Busefalis 11 років тому

    Thank you Eric, I just picked up a S&W 19. A few scratches here and there, was wondering about touchup. Not a safe queen, so not worried if it doesn't come out as well.

  • @CaliRock45
    @CaliRock45 11 років тому

    I use the cold blue out aide leave what ever out in the sun for about 1 hour so its warm to the touch and start the blue let its sit clean and if it needs another coat i will do it all over again but the way u did it was cool never thou about it that way thanks keep up the good work

  • @timhalpin9729
    @timhalpin9729 11 років тому

    I tried out oxphoblue after Eric used it on his mosin and love it. If you take your time with coats i have done some barrels but the finish is thin and likes to rust. As for scratches and touching up bolts etc that have wear it is awesome.

  • @angusgreeneyeslefay9485
    @angusgreeneyeslefay9485 8 років тому +11

    aaaaaaa.....i felt that scratch on my heart

  • @richarddowner4292
    @richarddowner4292 11 років тому +1

    GREAT Idea to have a swab right behind the torch... may want to be careful of FIRE haha thanks great video.. I am now looking into the 44/40 looks like it may be what I need.. again thanks.. I have used a littel bit of baking soda with some water as a naturalizer. It worked good..I gotta get that 44/40.. thanks... thumbs up great video

  • @D5quared91
    @D5quared91 11 років тому +1

    I love the music in these vids. Relaxing and cool.

  • @CaptainBerz
    @CaptainBerz 11 років тому

    Agree, the BC cold blue is for minor/temp work. Great vid brother..

  • @bernieclement3373
    @bernieclement3373 11 років тому

    instructions even say multiple coats may be required, I did an entire mosin m-44 took 4 coats to get decent bluing and could use 2 more but instructions say do not leave on more than 2-3 minutes to it is very tedious doing small sections at a time,I took it down to bare clean steel starting out. It turned out nice.

  • @LSmiata
    @LSmiata 10 років тому +2

    Great video. Did you ever consider using a glass bead blast to prep the metal? I restored an old .22 bolt action by bead blasting to bring metal back to raw form, looked like stainless steel. I then cleaned/degreased, and blued (cold blued).
    Result was very good.
    NOTE: I am a metal finisher. MOST important is a clean substrate before any good results will be realized.

  • @kezsol94
    @kezsol94 11 років тому

    By the way your videos are getting better and better keep up the good work all u guys moss pawn

  • @Archifx
    @Archifx 11 років тому

    Eric, just wanted to compliment you on the phenomenal production quality and edits. They do not go un noticed. Great work and demonstration on bluing too :) kick ass!

  • @1guyin10
    @1guyin10 11 років тому

    Most commercial processes use a hot caustic soap clean, followed by a rinse, followed by an acid etch to activate the surface, followed by a rinse or two and then into the blackening tank - which may be hot or cold depending on the process. Then it is rinsed and an oil of one form or another applied.

  • @matthewkeisling2776
    @matthewkeisling2776 11 місяців тому

    Good video. My son inherited a couple of older long guns that might benefit from this a little.

  • @1987Confused
    @1987Confused 11 років тому +1

    What do you recommend to re blue an entire weapon? I have used cold blue before but I have a few guns that I would like to totally re do.

  • @lgkelley1
    @lgkelley1 11 років тому

    love the blues soundtrak.

  • @TheMightyDuck2156
    @TheMightyDuck2156 11 років тому +1

    When u "blue" a gun does it come out black?

  • @ADKwarriors
    @ADKwarriors 11 років тому

    Nice little Marlin Model 60 you got there Eric.

  • @hitchhikersguidetotheusael967
    @hitchhikersguidetotheusael967 Рік тому +1

    Thank ya sir

  • @pim1234
    @pim1234 9 років тому +27

    Not very impressed...

  • @Julius44bc
    @Julius44bc 11 років тому

    I'm no expert at all, but I've used that Perma Blue quite a bit and it seems to work differently on different guns. Some guns it works immediately and perfectly. Others it acts as you experienced in this video (doesn't do much). I've always believed that it just depends on the steel used in the gun.

  • @CharlesMartellus
    @CharlesMartellus 11 років тому

    Best channel on youtube

  • @Squidforhire2
    @Squidforhire2 11 років тому

    Perfect timing on this video, this was something I wanted to learn about, however how well with it work on a firearm with some old rust spots i've already steel wool-ed away, Is it a good idea to try to use the cold blue to attempt the rust from reappearing or the finish getting any worse, or will it just cover up the underlying problems, sorry if this question seems dumb, I'm just new to the bluing process.

  • @gatorred157
    @gatorred157 11 років тому

    i use cold blue to blend in better steel wool around where the damage is that will tend to make the bluing flow togather better also using a hair dryer i had not propane torch to use, some stuff just will not cover up but for rust stopping it will then oil it after it water bathed! i reseal stock too i hunt in winter time i might get into rain or snow! that why i resealed the stock! i liked the video i learned some tips from it!

  • @CelticArmory
    @CelticArmory 11 років тому +1

    I like using Oxpho Blue and Dicropran on small parts.

  • @LexCinnabon
    @LexCinnabon 10 років тому +1

    Rather than a torch, could I heat the area up with a lighter (I don't have a torch) for a few minutes and then wipe off the soot before I apply the cold blue compound?

    • @jjbonedi1
      @jjbonedi1 10 років тому

      yea you can. you dont want to get the metal too hot to touch, just warm it up a little bit.you could even use a hair dryer

    • @LexCinnabon
      @LexCinnabon 10 років тому +1

      Thank you for the advice. A hair dryer sounds like the best idea for what I have.

    • @jjbonedi1
      @jjbonedi1 10 років тому

      what are you reblueing?

    • @LexCinnabon
      @LexCinnabon 10 років тому

      It will be an area of a PAP M92 7.62x39 (AK pistol) where a weld has to be cut to remove a thread protector to add a muzzle device. I wanted to file the cut weld smooth and re-blue it to help blend the area I had to cut to remove the thread protector.

    • @jjbonedi1
      @jjbonedi1 10 років тому

      sounds like a fun project. youll have to apply the blue more than once on something like that, probably even several times because it is a hardened weld. just be patient with the blue and it should work out well. I reblued the entire barrel and receiver on my western field .22. it didnt look good at first but after multiple applications it doesnt look bad at all

  • @subaruVaggos
    @subaruVaggos 11 років тому

    Eric could you show us the process of nickel plating?
    I think it is an excellent How-To especially for nickel plating some good rare old revolvers

  • @p38pilotdk01
    @p38pilotdk01 11 років тому

    You always have the best videos

  • @paulpaulie
    @paulpaulie 4 роки тому

    I knew I liked ya for a reason. Nice Milwaukee battery

  • @Ehtereon11B
    @Ehtereon11B 11 років тому

    Thank you so much for doing this video Eric. I have been wanting to touch up a few of my blued pieces that have scratches, namely a notorious idiot scratch on my first 1911. Not as deep as the scratches you made here but I will keep an eye out for 44/40.

  • @pyzik200
    @pyzik200 11 років тому

    AWESOME! I've been going through all your bluing videos this week as I have a project I need to take care of. So timing here is perfect!
    Though now I know, cold bluing is not what I want to do for this project. I do think Oxpho Blue is what I am going to try first.

  • @scuzzbecuzz
    @scuzzbecuzz 11 років тому

    Bought it used sent to keltec and they replaced trigger assembly, trigger bar & extractor screw, polished feed ramp. Great company service, will seriously consider them for next purchase. No charge just paid frt to them, none back to me

  • @mikegigabyte
    @mikegigabyte 11 років тому +1

    I like the bluing in a gel
    just let it sit for a while then clean off with oil
    I dont heat, or steel wool anything, or rinse with water
    done whole guns that way

  • @ericsp0f
    @ericsp0f 11 років тому

    i love looking at your tool wall can you do a video of your tools that you have?

  • @PorchCaptain
    @PorchCaptain 11 років тому

    Another great video. Keep them coming!

  • @WhiskeyRiverRifleman
    @WhiskeyRiverRifleman 11 років тому

    nice job. I use Blue Wonder. I have a vid of a entire Mossberg shotgun barrel done with Blue Wonder on my channel. also one of a Mosin Sporter I blued. Both look as good or better then factory blue. Blue Wonder is hands down the best home blue.

  • @Ptrum
    @Ptrum 11 років тому

    Informative and entertaining, you are one smooth cat in front of the camera.

  • @Dro77080
    @Dro77080 11 років тому

    wish i could learn how to completely re-blue my firearm because i Mother'd polished my marlin model 60's barrel and now i'm stuck with a HIGH maintenance gun i got to contently keep an eye out for rusting

  • @BobbySusenbach
    @BobbySusenbach 8 місяців тому

    Thank you for sharing.. Will 44/40 work on small Knicks in what I think is black anodiezed aluminum. Specifically, it's my Sig 320 AXG grip module? If not, any recommendations? Maybe aluma-black? Sharpie?lol

  • @kennethbrantley9582
    @kennethbrantley9582 2 роки тому

    Thanks for the help. Where in Georgia is your shop?

  • @bushmaniacishere
    @bushmaniacishere 11 років тому

    Thank you sir....keep the vids coming...I love you guys

  • @JaronPope
    @JaronPope 11 років тому

    excellent video! Thank you so much Eric.

  • @timothyprinnell7055
    @timothyprinnell7055 3 роки тому

    What is the best way to remove rust from a barrel? Have a OLD E.Remmington &Sons 20 Guage rolling lock that has sit in a leather scabbard for over 50+ years that has gotten rust on it. Don't want to distroy the original finish but want to get it cleaned up. Have tried gun cleaners ,wd-40 , PB blaster nothing is working please help.

  • @kezsol94
    @kezsol94 11 років тому

    Hey berry and Eric you guys should do a video on the different kind of blueing and the pros and cons but its just an idea u

  • @1pieman
    @1pieman 11 років тому

    Eric In the deep scratches could you feather sand it first to help blend it

  • @exj220
    @exj220 11 років тому

    Great how-to video, thanks for the info.

  • @daveh7720
    @daveh7720 11 років тому

    Would you use either of these products to touch up wear caused by handling? Or would it be better to strip the metal down and re-blue the whole thing?

  • @lucasdog1
    @lucasdog1 6 років тому

    your butane flame condenses water on the cool steel. warm it with a heat gun or hair dryer for a dry heat

  • @zacmiller9984
    @zacmiller9984 11 років тому

    How about a video on gun rust removal, prevention, etc.

  • @The_Osprey
    @The_Osprey 11 років тому

    What's different about the process/chemicals between cold bluing and what you might do to a new barrel or a re-blue project?

  • @jimmycalzon
    @jimmycalzon 11 років тому

    Perfect timing, going to cold blue a 1911 I have.

  • @scubrodiver
    @scubrodiver 11 років тому

    Eric, Thanks for the videos. Have you ever tried using the Birchwood Casey (or other brand) touch up cold blue pen? Looks like a sharpie, and seems easier to apply, but I'm wondering if it's not just a gimmic.

  • @fisherdigital
    @fisherdigital 11 років тому

    hi have learned so much from your videos thank you very much

  • @MidasMind
    @MidasMind 11 років тому

    Are these products better than the Oxpho Blue you used in the past video? In what ways are they different?

  • @SKSer45
    @SKSer45 11 років тому

    Nice video bud, would it be taboo is this was done on a C&R rifles?

  • @johnadams-wp2yb
    @johnadams-wp2yb 8 років тому

    I'm going to try it on a watch case.

  • @davidbrennan5
    @davidbrennan5 11 років тому

    good video, I would love to see a review of the archangel stock for the mosin with detatchable mag.

  • @richcollins513
    @richcollins513 Рік тому

    If your having strength issues with perma blue try avoid container contamination by pouring what your going to use into another area to dip your steel wool in. Each dip of the steel wool will weaken the solution.

  • @441rider
    @441rider 7 років тому

    Just slap the parts on the header of a hardley and ride around in 105f temps. It will blue anything then spill it's crankcase oil on your rear tire as the rod connects with road. I'm going to try the 44/40

  • @TrojanEMT
    @TrojanEMT 10 років тому

    I've used cold bluing with Birchwood Casey's, but i had them send me their Super Blue the perma blue didnt like polished finishes. But yeah i've done a 12 gauge New England Pardener shotgun , a Sears and Roebuck .22lr , and a 410 shotgun, and they turned out great! I'm living in a place I cannot use caustic acid or any other stout chemicals.

  • @jas_remodeled4388
    @jas_remodeled4388 4 роки тому

    Can you use cold blue on a bare-steel or stainless steel barbell that has a brown patina? I'm not sure how to tell the difference between the two, so I'm not sure what material my weightlifting barbell is, but it's a junker either way and I'd like to see if I can at least get it looking pretty.

  • @adaman04
    @adaman04 11 років тому

    Great vid, thanks Eric!

  • @jbag4795
    @jbag4795 11 років тому

    I appreciate you guys making this video, as cold bluing is a bit controversial in its applications. However, you were right in that the details weren't very well seen. Some still shots of before/after (perhaps screencaps of before shots with the video camera) would be helpful for that.

  • @killacopforfun666
    @killacopforfun666 11 років тому

    Never mind.. lol great 22lr. Do you happen to know any websites where I could pick up internals for this dandy rifle? Springs firing pin / mechanisms

  • @vpsaline
    @vpsaline 11 років тому

    Is cold blueing enough for an old magazine tube on a 1960s wingmaster thats all discolored?

  • @Capt_Tarmac
    @Capt_Tarmac 11 років тому

    Excellent videos

  • @1guyin10
    @1guyin10 11 років тому

    Depends on what it is made of. A carbon steel blade will blue well. Most of the tool steels and stainlesses won't blue well. if at all.

  • @samuelmorrison3142
    @samuelmorrison3142 11 років тому

    would rem oil work for rubbing out the metal after the cold blue?

  • @jnankin
    @jnankin 11 років тому

    in your oxpho blue video you felt that you could do a decent job of rebluing an entire barrel. do you still think that's true, or have you changed your mind with experience?

  • @moviking
    @moviking 11 років тому

    If you haven't tried it, give Blue Wonder a try, very close to perfection for a cold blueing product. (and in black also)

  • @justinjorgensen5085
    @justinjorgensen5085 11 років тому

    Good video once again..

  • @miGsKills
    @miGsKills 11 років тому

    I love these gum-smiffing videos.

  • @ajbrown0117
    @ajbrown0117 11 років тому

    Could you do a How To for certain things you can do to a ak wood stock?

  • @999ScrappyDoo
    @999ScrappyDoo 11 років тому

    Hey, Love your Videos, Keep em Coming please.
    Have a Question, a cracked bolt face on a slide, do you think building it back up with Weld would work? Or I had thought of milling out a complete section and milling a new piece to fit in, a bit like the bolt in the .22lr Browning target pistols,
    Do you think any of these are viable? I ask as getting a slide for the gun on question an FN Baby Browning 25 ACP is virtually imposable.
    Cheers!!

  • @bkirkbir
    @bkirkbir 2 роки тому

    I did try to cold blue couple of nuts, after a while they got covered by a thin layer of rust, which goes with a wipe. Do you have any idea why this is happening?

  • @Rilleey529001
    @Rilleey529001 2 роки тому

    Would you recommend these products to touch up a Glock pin? I know I can buy new pins but I might need this for other touch up spots

  • @pkonneker
    @pkonneker 11 років тому

    Wonder how this would work on my Dad's mak. He got some rust spots on his East German. :p Don't know if the bluing is damaged underneath though. Never got a chance to look at it while I was out his way.

  • @cschultzy56
    @cschultzy56 11 років тому

    A better idea than the hand drill and belt sander is a drill press and some 1000 grit paper that you just hold in your hands. You dont have to tighten the drill press all that much and when you clean up the edges of the screw head it wont take as much off the sides of the head as when you use a belt sander. just tear a strip about 3x6 and run it back and fourth while the press is spinning, takes the old finish right off without wrecking the shape or size of the screw head.

  • @unlitdarkness6
    @unlitdarkness6 11 років тому

    Another reason im glad i subb'd thanks guys!