A funny interaction most people probably don’t think about, Jinzo does not allow you to even activate trap cards. So if you summon a Jinzo against a frog player that has raigeki break set or any trap, no more treeborn for them.
@21:10 Another reason not to go into Red Dragon Archfiend is that he plays around Battle Fader too. That probably would've been even worse than Gorz because then DRYVZ attacks with his token first, Battle Fader gets dropped, and at the end of the turn Red Dragon would've killed his own Gorz for not declaring an attack.
With Frogs being so popular, I'm surprised people aren't paying Chain Disappearance or Possessed Dark Soul. One gets rid of all of a certain frog, while the other is an instant out if you get Dupe locked.
@16:20 I was playing Vayu Turbo against a Hero Frog player and he did side into Imperial Iron Walls against me in Game 2. He did end up winning that game by just beating me down with his heroes. But I'm still not sold on the idea. I get that it's a very, very powerful floodgate against Vayu Turbo but it still seems like he was hurting himself too much. He was locking out his own Treeborn Frog. He'd try to activate Miracle Fusion and I had to point out to him that he couldn't do that.
I think gk has some potential. But not with royal tribute. Its just a worse ddv. And gravekeepers actually facilitate ddv, caius, and dark armed extremely well. And decks that can slam those cards are typically viable
I have had to scoop turn 1 to royal tribute when I was on Machina and I randomly got a full hand of monsters so I don’t get the disrespect on tribute. GK has potential for sure tho.
@@wolf1yugdon’t get me wrong royal tribute is amazing. You don’t drop or show your own hand with ddv though, and it can be used reactively on removal or something else.
The logic behind LIM for the Frog player is, LIM against Fairy/LS is a true floodgate. They're unable to play the game besides "summon monster, attack" so while it slows Frogs down considerably they'll be able to mount an offensive gameplan until the opp eventually outs LIM at which point the Frog engine is back online.
@@maninblackmetal how do u figure a degenerate card helps a format lmao considering the format was fine before everyone started main decking it to begin with
@@maninblackmetal I agree. I predict we’re gonna see new decks hit the meta with frogs and heavy combo decks being nerfed due to DDV. DDV in the main deck is gonna bite soon once the anti DDV decks come 😂 I actually like this development. It won’t last forever
A funny interaction most people probably don’t think about, Jinzo does not allow you to even activate trap cards. So if you summon a Jinzo against a frog player that has raigeki break set or any trap, no more treeborn for them.
@21:10 Another reason not to go into Red Dragon Archfiend is that he plays around Battle Fader too. That probably would've been even worse than Gorz because then DRYVZ attacks with his token first, Battle Fader gets dropped, and at the end of the turn Red Dragon would've killed his own Gorz for not declaring an attack.
With Frogs being so popular, I'm surprised people aren't paying Chain Disappearance or Possessed Dark Soul. One gets rid of all of a certain frog, while the other is an instant out if you get Dupe locked.
@16:20 I was playing Vayu Turbo against a Hero Frog player and he did side into Imperial Iron Walls against me in Game 2. He did end up winning that game by just beating me down with his heroes. But I'm still not sold on the idea. I get that it's a very, very powerful floodgate against Vayu Turbo but it still seems like he was hurting himself too much. He was locking out his own Treeborn Frog. He'd try to activate Miracle Fusion and I had to point out to him that he couldn't do that.
Fili Luna was on to true hybrid blackwings back in the day (similar to the lists shown in the video)
so true , he was ahead of his time lol
Loved the day long stream, def would love to see more of it
I think gk has some potential. But not with royal tribute. Its just a worse ddv. And gravekeepers actually facilitate ddv, caius, and dark armed extremely well. And decks that can slam those cards are typically viable
that's an interesting idea
I have had to scoop turn 1 to royal tribute when I was on Machina and I randomly got a full hand of monsters so I don’t get the disrespect on tribute. GK has potential for sure tho.
@@wolf1yugbro this literally happened to me the other day, right after talking ish about gk actually
@@wolf1yugdon’t get me wrong royal tribute is amazing. You don’t drop or show your own hand with ddv though, and it can be used reactively on removal or something else.
That OTK was actually scary good!
I agree with not attacking face down monsters if you know you're up against frogs. Unless you're playing Cyber Dragon.
The logic behind LIM for the Frog player is, LIM against Fairy/LS is a true floodgate. They're unable to play the game besides "summon monster, attack" so while it slows Frogs down considerably they'll be able to mount an offensive gameplan until the opp eventually outs LIM at which point the Frog engine is back online.
3 legacy of yata-garasu and 0 d prison is something i haven't seen in blackwings before.
ludovico's first win with blackwings in 2023 is literally him playing no dprisons and legacy of yatas. It's honestly old news at this point.
@imnerdpodcast ah ok, im very new to edison so i haven't really seen anything older than 3-4 months ago.
D prison always just gets popped with Lyla or a monarch.
Looking at the teledad list. It looks like it loses gas after the mali play. But it got first so what do I know
The opponent has to survive the Mali play first lol
I have the finals replay at the end
Also no rtfadd is surprising. Guess he preferred Solemn
Definitely doesn't lose steam, power well allows for more synchros, krebons is a stall card... I like the list outside of ecall, it was dead game 2
this thumbnail goes so hard
thank you sir
Damnnn why u put the cat as a click bait 😂😂 uk real Edison player love to see cat deck
I'm sorry -- this was a spin off of the thumbnail I used when I streamed the event
@ np champ
how df is that ZOMBIE teledad? XD, there is no zombies wtf.
there's two lists, one that plays a full zombie package (2 goblin, mezuki, zombie master, reaper, plague, and the other just plays reaper and plague)
@@alastor8589 watching the full thing helps lmao
Deck dev really just be ruining this format 🙃
Not really
It is quite the annoying card
It's a nice gatekeeper avoiding a lot of degeneracy. Without that card the format would be very different and way more degenerate.
@@maninblackmetal how do u figure a degenerate card helps a format lmao considering the format was fine before everyone started main decking it to begin with
@@maninblackmetal I agree. I predict we’re gonna see new decks hit the meta with frogs and heavy combo decks being nerfed due to DDV. DDV in the main deck is gonna bite soon once the anti DDV decks come 😂 I actually like this development. It won’t last forever
23:00 man he just started with 7 cards, that's cheating
He went first and passed his turn
@imnerdpodcast wtf lol