Really interesting! I often feel a bit unhappy with current sidechain methods. I really liked the method you posted in your template that added a bit of lookahead via the timeshift. Going to give this one a shot. Will buy you a coffee if it works out! Good stuff as always.
@@MagicCvstle cheers, sidechain is definetely one of those things where i‘m always trying to find something a bit better. I doubt thisll be the last time
Cool stuff! Next level modular patching, didn’t know you could go that deep with Bitwig Just wanted to add that sidechain is used for a lot of stuff, not just ”sidechain ducking” :)
@@cyberspacer yesyes ofc, its just a shorthand people will easily understand and that doesnt take up too much space visually. I knew someone would point it out hahaha. The grid goes pretty deep, especially in time domain fx.
@@TildeSounds haha yes I get it, it wasn't like I didn't get it, just wanted to be a smart ass, sorry ;D I Evaluated Ableton against Bigwig a while back since getting back into music. Went with Ableton, but if the wallet allows it further on, I think I "need" to get Bigwig as well :)
I switched over from ableton, the great thing is that a lot of knowledge from it will carry over quite easily. Can even import ableton project files hehe
I like this quite a bit. I'm not a fan of the overuse of PUMPING EDM sidechain, but I do like sidechain when it is used almost in a multiband context to carve out more space during the busiest moments of the mix. Too much of this "multiband sidechaining" is cork-sniffing, but I'm excited to see another option to add to the arsenal. I'm pretty new to the grid so it will probably take a while, more experience, and views for all of this to sync in.
@@TildeSounds that's why im asking, bc the audio sidechain can follow the signal "very" closely, so close it's even audio rate modulation if you pull the decay all the way down. and as you figured out in the first part of the video thats giving you loads of distortion, so you implemented an envelope follower to smooth the signal. and imo, you get all that for free with the audio sidechain, no? and both solutions need a slight timeshift to counter the smoothing. will ja kein korinthenkacker sein 😅 macht doch was ihr wollt.
@@PolarityMusic audio sidechain seems to be a kind of slew limiter, this is a peak hold. plus it does lookahead, audio sidechain doesn't. as i say in the video, if you don't care that's fair enough, i'm not trying to sell anything here.
Hey Polarity, could you do a video where you test out both the options and share your findings with blind A/B-ing? Also, do you guys think it would be a great feature request to be able to connect an oscillo/spectroscope to the grid window in the devices tab? It would be sick visibility no?
@@OMG-KMB should be easy enough to test yourself i reckon, just use an fx selector and close your eyes and hit the switch a few times. with subtle stuff like this thats always a good idea.
@@Hexspa some minor things yes, but ive not wanted to reopen live since i switched lol. Some things i miss are glue compressor, corpus, capture midi and the way abletons repitch warp mode can be used to retune a sound in semitones.
Really cool idea, looks nice and clean, although I feel like both the fade-in and fade-out look really quite long in the oscilloscope. I really want to get into the grid, but I lack the ideas for what it is I'd want to do haha
The fade in is somewhat long yeah, altho you gotta consider this is a very short kick. 20 ms are still well within audio rate, which starts at 50. The fade out is mostly dont by ear, you can make it as short as you want. Imo a good thing to start with is to just use the grid as a synth
@@TildeSounds oh ok that makes sense. I find these awesome but would be hard for me to make the switch from Ableton. Keeping an eye on a sale to maybe use both one day.
yeah i wouldnt recommend this as part of a live set or anything like that. you could just use a ducker or normal sidechain compression. this is taking things to the extreme for the sake of it and for extremely tight mixdowns.
Watched from beginning to end, like I was glue compressed to the video.
compressor+ moment
Really interesting! I often feel a bit unhappy with current sidechain methods. I really liked the method you posted in your template that added a bit of lookahead via the timeshift. Going to give this one a shot. Will buy you a coffee if it works out! Good stuff as always.
@@MagicCvstle cheers, sidechain is definetely one of those things where i‘m always trying to find something a bit better. I doubt thisll be the last time
@@TildeSounds I'm with you on that! I'm always on the lookout for a better way. Bitwig seems to have opened up some pretty cool possibilities.
Damn dude, you're doing a lot of great science lately. 🙌
@@pbrninja19 thanks!
This looks interesting. I'll try it out soon enough. Thanks for breaking down your process!
cheers, lmk how it works for you
Thank you! This video is very helpful
@@denmarine7925 glad to hear that!
Cool stuff! Next level modular patching, didn’t know you could go that deep with Bitwig
Just wanted to add that sidechain is used for a lot of stuff, not just ”sidechain ducking” :)
@@cyberspacer yesyes ofc, its just a shorthand people will easily understand and that doesnt take up too much space visually. I knew someone would point it out hahaha.
The grid goes pretty deep, especially in time domain fx.
@@TildeSounds haha yes I get it, it wasn't like I didn't get it, just wanted to be a smart ass, sorry ;D
I Evaluated Ableton against Bigwig a while back since getting back into music. Went with Ableton, but if the wallet allows it further on, I think I "need" to get Bigwig as well :)
I switched over from ableton, the great thing is that a lot of knowledge from it will carry over quite easily. Can even import ableton project files hehe
I like this quite a bit. I'm not a fan of the overuse of PUMPING EDM sidechain, but I do like sidechain when it is used almost in a multiband context to carve out more space during the busiest moments of the mix. Too much of this "multiband sidechaining" is cork-sniffing, but I'm excited to see another option to add to the arsenal.
I'm pretty new to the grid so it will probably take a while, more experience, and views for all of this to sync in.
Youll get there, the grid is pretty user friendly. If theres any questions ill be hapoy to help
how is this different from the audio sidechain modulator (which can follow the signal very closely)?
it's all about processing the rectified signal to smooth it out/fill in the gaps in a way that doesn't sacrifice too much precision
@@TildeSounds that's why im asking, bc the audio sidechain can follow the signal "very" closely, so close it's even audio rate modulation if you pull the decay all the way down. and as you figured out in the first part of the video thats giving you loads of distortion, so you implemented an envelope follower to smooth the signal. and imo, you get all that for free with the audio sidechain, no? and both solutions need a slight timeshift to counter the smoothing. will ja kein korinthenkacker sein 😅 macht doch was ihr wollt.
@@PolarityMusic audio sidechain seems to be a kind of slew limiter, this is a peak hold. plus it does lookahead, audio sidechain doesn't. as i say in the video, if you don't care that's fair enough, i'm not trying to sell anything here.
Hey Polarity, could you do a video where you test out both the options and share your findings with blind A/B-ing?
Also, do you guys think it would be a great feature request to be able to connect an oscillo/spectroscope to the grid window in the devices tab? It would be sick visibility no?
@@OMG-KMB should be easy enough to test yourself i reckon, just use an fx selector and close your eyes and hit the switch a few times. with subtle stuff like this thats always a good idea.
HI Yona!😁🤍
waddup cat guy, isak told me the other day your aunt wrote a book hes reading rn hahaha
@@TildeSounds the world is so small these days I almost dropped my phone when he showed me the book lmao
That is so cool! Thanks
As someone versed in Live and Bitwig, is there anything you miss from the former? Great work here.
@@Hexspa some minor things yes, but ive not wanted to reopen live since i switched lol.
Some things i miss are glue compressor, corpus, capture midi and the way abletons repitch warp mode can be used to retune a sound in semitones.
@ Thanks!
Really cool idea, looks nice and clean, although I feel like both the fade-in and fade-out look really quite long in the oscilloscope.
I really want to get into the grid, but I lack the ideas for what it is I'd want to do haha
The fade in is somewhat long yeah, altho you gotta consider this is a very short kick. 20 ms are still well within audio rate, which starts at 50. The fade out is mostly dont by ear, you can make it as short as you want.
Imo a good thing to start with is to just use the grid as a synth
awesome!!! Danke, werd ich direkt in meinem template übernehmen.
hehe nice.
hab grad ne v2 auf discord hochgeladen falls interesse besteht, die sollte etwas besser mit höheren frequenzen klarkommen
What is this made/used with?
@@StephaneGman the grid, a modular environment built into bitwig
@@TildeSounds oh ok that makes sense. I find these awesome but would be hard for me to make the switch from Ableton. Keeping an eye on a sale to maybe use both one day.
I reckon you could do the same with m4l, might just be a bit more of a pain to set up.
I play instruments and this introduces a ton of latency :(
yeah i wouldnt recommend this as part of a live set or anything like that. you could just use a ducker or normal sidechain compression. this is taking things to the extreme for the sake of it and for extremely tight mixdowns.