world class motor! Ford did such a great job with this. from beefed up rods, steel crank, reinforced block, HD pump and cooler etc. ALL GOOD.. and still runs clean enough for 50 state emissions.
Carl...you are an artist! You have an outstanding talent, that others dream and wish to have. Bless you sir! Would love to have you upgrade my 13GT. I live in California...hope one day, I will have the honor to meet and greet you.
Nope, there is still plenty of room. Allow me to let you in on a secret: the vast majority of stroked engines require some block mods to clear longer strokes. Even a Chevy 350 stroked to 383 needs clearance mods. Doing so on the 5.0L is easy. Also, there's very ample room for counterbalancing the 5.0L. Have you seen the size of the crank? It's so wonderfully balanced that the 5.0L safely & reliably revs to nearly 8000RPM in the CJ. Son, it's a great engine & it's here to stay for a long time.
Son, the Ford 5.0L Aluminator, PN M-6007-A50SC is meant for boosting to well above 800HP. It has no BHP rating because it's sold without a supercharger. That is what "SC" means. Straight from the crate, the Aluminator M-6007-A50SC has been dyno proven to well over 1000RWHP when you add on a supercharger and supporting bolt-on parts. The 5.0L is not stroked to the max; if it were, it would be 5.8L. Look up Wiesco 5.8L if you don't believe me.
I wasn't making a reference to 4cylinders to 8 that required mathematical correction! My comment was based around it's diameter and flow rate properties that manifolds typically have that look like the ones in this video! Thanks for the thought though! :)
Ford proved they didn't need aluminum for the Termi engine blocks. They used good 'ole American iron :) Besides, the Termi Cobras were underrated. They were detuned by the factory, but by putting in just an aftermarket tune, not modding anything any hardware at all, the Termis were very easily over 430HP. Let's not forget that the new 5.0L DOHC engine is all Ford. Ford doesn't contract anyone to cast these engine blocks; they're all done in-house by Ford, from the GT 5.0L to the CJ 5.0L engines
Sure, Ford wanted an aluminum block, who would not want aluminum? It's lighter. But they made use of the in-house iron engine blocks and still kicked some ass. Again, you're agreeing with me; Ford didn't need aluminum block engines to produce a powerful car. Thanks son, for further supporting what I said :)
Sealed engine with broke off & rounded bolts with permanent red lock-tite good luck looking at the rod bearings when you have to drill and tap half the bolt holes The real engines we were talking about were crate motors, not sealed, one time use racing blocks. nothing like spending a couple grand in machine work to look in the oil pan
The Honsel cast blocks for GT500 ARE engineered by Ford. Honsel didn't design the GT500 blocks, Ford did. Honsel only casts the blocks to Ford specs. The same was for the Teksid blocks for Cobras. Let's not forget that Ford dropped Teksid in 2003-2004 and made their own blocks completely in-house for the Termis. There was no ZL1 in 2002. ZL1 was only made in 1968, and in 2012-2013. Stop saying Chevy made a 2002 ZL1 when they did not. BTW, Ford completely makes the 420BHP 5.0L DOHC engine.
Well then, lets do some arithmetic: 12% of the advertised 390BHP is ~46HP. 390 - 46 = 344RWHP. So, for a brand new Termi, they are really making more than the advertised 390BHP. So, you saw with your own eyes that the Cobras were underrated.
You can get a sealed motor for both 4.6L & 6.2L, but still the sealed 6.2L is cheaper. the normal non sealed motor is $8,400 you do know the difference between a sealed motor and a crate engine?
WRONG 5.0L engine got a longer stroke than 4.6L but deck height stayed the same meaning the rod got shorter Plus weak 4.6L only made 300hp in 2009, less than Z28 327hp in 1998 5.0L has more stoke in a smaller block than 6.2L, with less bore to spread the steeper rod/stroke ratio causing more pressure & wear. 5.0L stroke is so big for it's rod/stroke ratio it can't fit balance for the crankshaft internally, which hasn't been done in a muscle car since LT1 engines in the early 90's
Why would you waste that engine in a truck? I never understand truck guys that want big power. Trucks are not meant to go fast. That's what sports cars are for. ;-)
Depends on your budget. A less restrictive exhaust and a tune is a cheap way to increase performance, changing the rear axle ratio can give you much more acceleration for under a grand including installation (but may cost fuel economy), or you can dig deeper and go for a supercharger. The stock engine will handle up to 8 PSI reliably as long as you get it tuned properly (technically it will handle much more boost than that, but I wouldn't do that on stock internals personally). I think a 5.4 swap would be too expensive and time consuming for the gains you'd get, I would stick with the 4.6
kool...and yes i have been lookn for turbos and superchargers...a lot of people say turbos are better because they dont have delayed response when on throttle...i feel the super charger is better for my taste tho so whats a good brand and whats a ok brand money and performance wise?
Incorrect. Ford conrods are hot drop forged. Shot peening does not add 55% more strength. Don't exagerrate. Mustang is very reliable. The 5.0L DOHC engine has almost the exact same rod/stroke ratio as the LS3. Your max piston speeds are off. Also, the 2014 Z28 will have a worse rod/stroke ratio in the LS7 and will have an even faster max piston speed. Z06 Corvetts have had the LS7 for years with that worse rod/stroke ratio & haven't worn out. So your logic is completely fail.
Nope seen plenty of brand new Cobras run 360rwhp on a dynojet which tends to read higher hp and that's about 400hp at the crank if 12% drive train losses Don't be a little baby and pretend Ford didn't try & want an alum block for 2003-04 Cobra. No one is gonna let your cry on their shoulder over a Mustang
Because its fun smoking a sport car with something that you didn't expect it to and besides arnt trucks supposed to have big power anyways? They are "Trucks" :)
Pushrod engines are more durable, cost less, are more tunable, cheaper to repair, maintain & upgrade. 6.2L engine is one GM camshaft away from 525hp 6.2L 400lbs High Durability 525hp, low center of gravity part #19301360 price $7500 5.0L 440lbs, low durability 420hp high center of gravity part #M-6007-A50SC price $8400 high maintenance cost Stroked to the max, for easy power, & no respect for wear
USN Artsen right. 5 idler pulleys. It could have something to do with making sure the accessories have enough belt contact so they don't slip during hard acceleration and high rpms
Look it up Ford can't even make a Mustang engine with more than 315hp before 2011 without needing aftermarket parts Currently Ford can't make more than 420hp in a Mustang without aftermarket
Ford made their own in house alum block for 2003-04 Cobra so where is it! oh yea they failed hard, it was a complete & udder failure, and complete waste of money. must be so hard to make their own alum block to handle measly 390hp
Ford is still $100billion in debt Ford needed a bailout even tho they got a loan from bankers Camaro has Drop Forged rods & ball peen forged rods, made in house, which cost less than Buying them from manley like for has to do for Boss or GT500 Engineering talent pays for itself, lack of engineering talent costs money
Mustang GT has powder metal rods made the same way as a 1987 Ford Escort 1.9L. Camaro rods are Drop Forged & Ball Peened for 55% more fatigue strength Mustang is NOT reliable, 82.58mph peak piston speed compared to Camaros 70.8mph which is a camshaft away from 525hp. Formula1 engine @17,000rpm is 81mph with a high rod/stroke ratio for durability Mustang = rod to stroke ratio meaning extreme wear to make power at all RPM, in a few years the junk yard will be littered with low mile mustangs
WRONG GT500 has a german(Honsel) engine block, ford can't even engineer their own blocks just like when Ford had to order an alum block from Teksid a decade ago to make a measly 300hp for Cobra when LS1 was already making 400hp in a ZL1 with an alum block, then in 2002 Chevy made a 720hp camaro with stock parts and NO SUPERCHARGER Ford can't do shit like that, they couldn't even engineer an alum block to handle 390hp for 2004 Cobra when R&D tried for 3 years then had to use iron
The tear down didn't take that long. Maybe a few hours.
Thank you for the nice comments.
That's how I work in the morning after 3 cups of coffee.
world class motor! Ford did such a great job with this. from beefed up rods, steel crank, reinforced block, HD pump and cooler etc. ALL GOOD.. and still runs clean enough for 50 state emissions.
Carl...you are an artist! You have an outstanding talent, that others dream and wish to have. Bless you sir! Would love to have you upgrade my 13GT. I live in California...hope one day, I will have the honor to meet and greet you.
I feel the same as a 14 owner.....one day it will get done by Carl.
this engine have more sex appeal than any GM engine.
This engine has more of all appeal than any GM engine ever made!
Amazing. Super jealous. I love watching builds like this. Very well done man.
Awesome video. Great watching and good learning.
Wow! So much goes into this engine, nice vid!!
Nope, there is still plenty of room. Allow me to let you in on a secret: the vast majority of stroked engines require some block mods to clear longer strokes. Even a Chevy 350 stroked to 383 needs clearance mods. Doing so on the 5.0L is easy.
Also, there's very ample room for counterbalancing the 5.0L. Have you seen the size of the crank? It's so wonderfully balanced that the 5.0L safely & reliably revs to nearly 8000RPM in the CJ.
Son, it's a great engine & it's here to stay for a long time.
Son, the Ford 5.0L Aluminator, PN M-6007-A50SC is meant for boosting to well above 800HP. It has no BHP rating because it's sold without a supercharger. That is what "SC" means.
Straight from the crate, the Aluminator M-6007-A50SC has been dyno proven to well over 1000RWHP when you add on a supercharger and supporting bolt-on parts.
The 5.0L is not stroked to the max; if it were, it would be 5.8L. Look up Wiesco 5.8L if you don't believe me.
That's why you guys are the best
I wasn't making a reference to 4cylinders to 8 that required mathematical correction! My comment was based around it's diameter and flow rate properties that manifolds typically have that look like the ones in this video! Thanks for the thought though! :)
Very nice work. Clean job too
Ford proved they didn't need aluminum for the Termi engine blocks. They used good 'ole American iron :)
Besides, the Termi Cobras were underrated. They were detuned by the factory, but by putting in just an aftermarket tune, not modding anything any hardware at all, the Termis were very easily over 430HP.
Let's not forget that the new 5.0L DOHC engine is all Ford. Ford doesn't contract anyone to cast these engine blocks; they're all done in-house by Ford, from the GT 5.0L to the CJ 5.0L engines
Nice work man
Love the Crue!
Sure, Ford wanted an aluminum block, who would not want aluminum? It's lighter. But they made use of the in-house iron engine blocks and still kicked some ass.
Again, you're agreeing with me; Ford didn't need aluminum block engines to produce a powerful car.
Thanks son, for further supporting what I said :)
You killed it !
You can totally tell this guy just watched the video on 5.8L tear-downs and it trying to impress us. What took him so long? Sheesh
great job man. That was an amazing. :)
hope you be the fastest 13 GT500.
Working real fast you can get it done in 8 minutes.
AMAZING!!
A lot of experts here.
Sealed engine with broke off & rounded bolts with permanent red lock-tite
good luck looking at the rod bearings when you have to drill and tap half the bolt holes
The real engines we were talking about were crate motors, not sealed, one time use racing blocks.
nothing like spending a couple grand in machine work to look in the oil pan
man this guy wastes no time. nice video
The tear took less than a hour. Carl has tore down and rebuilt many mod motors.
The Honsel cast blocks for GT500 ARE engineered by Ford. Honsel didn't design the GT500 blocks, Ford did. Honsel only casts the blocks to Ford specs. The same was for the Teksid blocks for Cobras.
Let's not forget that Ford dropped Teksid in 2003-2004 and made their own blocks completely in-house for the Termis.
There was no ZL1 in 2002. ZL1 was only made in 1968, and in 2012-2013. Stop saying Chevy made a 2002 ZL1 when they did not.
BTW, Ford completely makes the 420BHP 5.0L DOHC engine.
Well then, lets do some arithmetic: 12% of the advertised 390BHP is ~46HP. 390 - 46 = 344RWHP.
So, for a brand new Termi, they are really making more than the advertised 390BHP.
So, you saw with your own eyes that the Cobras were underrated.
Ur a true gear head. I threw up on the complete tear down.
This engine needs aftermarket headers big time!
Whats is the yellow paint for? Guessing Ford do this when it is being built.
You can get a sealed motor for both 4.6L & 6.2L, but still the sealed 6.2L is cheaper. the normal non sealed motor is $8,400
you do know the difference between a sealed motor and a crate engine?
Those are not headers, they're manifolds. Exhaust manifolds are always small.
how many miles did the cobra had before the tear down?
what tool did you use to take the harmonic balancer off?
Maybe GM should leave more of their parts to the aftermarket guys. Maybe they'd spend less money before they go bankrupt again.
how long did that take to do?
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Impressive
Now put it back together and fire it up pal
GT500 has enough aftermarket parts
engine block(Martinrea Honsel)
pistons(mahle)
connecting rods(manley)
driveshaft(Dynotech) transmission(tremec) shocks(bilstein) seats(recaro)
supercharger(GM & Eaton designed) GM has more patents
what would you tearing that down?
thats why it needed 2 lol
WRONG
5.0L engine got a longer stroke than 4.6L but deck height stayed the same meaning the rod got shorter
Plus weak 4.6L only made 300hp in 2009, less than Z28 327hp in 1998
5.0L has more stoke in a smaller block than 6.2L, with less bore to spread the steeper rod/stroke ratio causing more pressure & wear. 5.0L stroke is so big for it's rod/stroke ratio it can't fit balance for the crankshaft internally, which hasn't been done in a muscle car since LT1 engines in the early 90's
Damn, 6 bolt mains!
Those headers look like they belong on a Honda Civic?
Why do we talk shit about each other? Why the fuck dont we just all talk shit on the damn imports.
Blah Blah Blah 351W for the win!
Why would you waste that engine in a truck? I never understand truck guys that want big power. Trucks are not meant to go fast. That's what sports cars are for. ;-)
do you prefer snap on or matco?
Craftsman bruh
does anyone know what I can do to put sum go fast to my 01 kingranch 4.6.... is it better to work with what I have or get a 5.4 and beef it up?
It depends on what all you want to do. You can put a Ford Racing supercharger on it if thats the way you want to go.
Depends on your budget. A less restrictive exhaust and a tune is a cheap way to increase performance, changing the rear axle ratio can give you much more acceleration for under a grand including installation (but may cost fuel economy), or you can dig deeper and go for a supercharger. The stock engine will handle up to 8 PSI reliably as long as you get it tuned properly (technically it will handle much more boost than that, but I wouldn't do that on stock internals personally). I think a 5.4 swap would be too expensive and time consuming for the gains you'd get, I would stick with the 4.6
kool...and yes i have been lookn for turbos and superchargers...a lot of people say turbos are better because they dont have delayed response when on throttle...i feel the super charger is better for my taste tho so whats a good brand and whats a ok brand money and performance wise?
Incorrect. Ford conrods are hot drop forged. Shot peening does not add 55% more strength. Don't exagerrate.
Mustang is very reliable. The 5.0L DOHC engine has almost the exact same rod/stroke ratio as the LS3. Your max piston speeds are off.
Also, the 2014 Z28 will have a worse rod/stroke ratio in the LS7 and will have an even faster max piston speed.
Z06 Corvetts have had the LS7 for years with that worse rod/stroke ratio & haven't worn out. So your logic is completely fail.
that engine in a F 150.....aaaaauuhhhhooohh !!!
Nope seen plenty of brand new Cobras run 360rwhp on a dynojet which tends to read higher hp and that's about 400hp at the crank if 12% drive train losses
Don't be a little baby and pretend Ford didn't try & want an alum block for 2003-04 Cobra.
No one is gonna let your cry on their shoulder over a Mustang
Because its fun smoking a sport car with something that you didn't expect it to and besides arnt trucks supposed to have big power anyways? They are "Trucks" :)
Pushrod engines are more durable, cost less, are more tunable, cheaper to repair, maintain & upgrade. 6.2L engine is one GM camshaft away from 525hp
6.2L 400lbs High Durability 525hp, low center of gravity
part #19301360 price $7500
5.0L 440lbs, low durability 420hp high center of gravity
part #M-6007-A50SC price $8400 high maintenance cost
Stroked to the max, for easy power, & no respect for wear
Great work but i feel like half those pulleys are not even needed. I guess Ford has a reason.
USN Artsen right. 5 idler pulleys. It could have something to do with making sure the accessories have enough belt contact so they don't slip during hard acceleration and high rpms
Look it up
Ford can't even make a Mustang engine with more than 315hp before 2011 without needing aftermarket parts
Currently Ford can't make more than 420hp in a Mustang without aftermarket
Ford made their own in house alum block for 2003-04 Cobra
so where is it!
oh yea they failed hard, it was a complete & udder failure, and complete waste of money. must be so hard to make their own alum block to handle measly 390hp
I'm guessing not his 1st teardown lol don't park ur car near this guy or ur engine bay will be empty the next day lol
Ford is still $100billion in debt
Ford needed a bailout even tho they got a loan from bankers
Camaro has Drop Forged rods & ball peen forged rods, made in house, which cost less than Buying them from manley like for has to do for Boss or GT500
Engineering talent pays for itself, lack of engineering talent costs money
Good Lord! I'll stick with my LS motor! More bang for the buck and a lot simpler.
Mustang GT has powder metal rods made the same way as a 1987 Ford Escort 1.9L. Camaro rods are Drop Forged & Ball Peened for 55% more fatigue strength
Mustang is NOT reliable, 82.58mph peak piston speed compared to Camaros 70.8mph which is a camshaft away from 525hp. Formula1 engine @17,000rpm is 81mph with a high rod/stroke ratio for durability
Mustang = rod to stroke ratio meaning extreme wear to make power at all RPM, in a few years the junk yard will be littered with low mile mustangs
WRONG
GT500 has a german(Honsel) engine block, ford can't even engineer their own blocks
just like when Ford had to order an alum block from Teksid a decade ago to make a measly 300hp for Cobra when LS1 was already making 400hp in a ZL1 with an alum block, then in 2002 Chevy made a 720hp camaro with stock parts and NO SUPERCHARGER
Ford can't do shit like that, they couldn't even engineer an alum block to handle 390hp for 2004 Cobra when R&D tried for 3 years then had to use iron
Adopt me?
I know, huh?? lol
wow! DOHC on an american muscle car! witchcraft!!!