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Today, schools are no longer so much divided by race or colour. They seem to be more divide by the income of the local community.
TheDigitalslayer Very much so! My neighborhood is very diverse in terms of ethnicity, but overall, is poor. About 60% of the kids receive free lunch. Simply cross the highway, and it's another story. The area is overwhelmingly Asian, upper class, professional.
economics are tied to race in amerikkka.
GodKing804 not all blacks are lazy, someone race does not determine someone abilty to succeed or work ethic, there are lazy people in all races. Also alot Asian immigrants are not successful just because the ones you have met are (which I imagine is very few) doesn't mean that most are doing great.
I am assuming you live in area where there are not many black people probably not even that many immigrants either to begin with and have very little exposure beside the sterotypes you see on tv, but there are plenty of black doctors, my doctor is a black female.
00ruka1 i live in nyc...
The one thing that I feel like this segment was missing was explaining what they meant by "bussing." To me, I've always just thought that school buses took local kids to a nearby school and were just a form of transportation. I never considered that it was intentionally mixing races and social classes. I always thought it was just weird gerrymandered line drawing that made me go to schools a little further away than the ones that were closer. And, I suppose that is true in some right. Anyway, just my thoughts.
I had no clue what bussing was. My city runs by the neighbourhood system but all of the neighbourhoods are integrated as it is. One of the high schools I attended was 50% white 50% everything else. Another I attended was 32% white 33% black and 33% Latino. I had never known that bussing was covert mixing races for schooling.
Yeah it also took me a moment to figure out what they were on about, I'm from Australia so I don't know a lot of these American terms.
Thats weird, cause most people in my schools were black. Even in elementary school my school was mostly black. I took the school bus almost all of my school years...
Not always, but "bussing" is used to desegregate school as it can reach other places and not put the burden of transportation on low income familes that its supposed to support
@@Rhelanae Well it wasn't covert you just didn't know about and South Carolina wasn't the only place to do this either other states such as Seattle and New York failed miserably because you know white parents and private schools.
One step forward, six steps backwards
@Jesse Brennan And whats the alternative? You gonna drop out?
I bet thats gonna show them. Also: The lack of integration is why murrica is the joke of a society today with "diversity" being our strength.
Surely if by diversity you mean allowing certain ethnic groups to go into 85% single parenting and letting the street raise entire generations, then turn around and wonder why OH WHY is everyone so biased against the group in question.
Its tiresome to listen to liberals. They have exactly one moral standard instead of the normal 5, which is freedom. "I want to be free to do whatever the f i want to, flood and plague after me for all i care".
Heres one to living like a disease. Cheers and happy new year.
Loving all these retro videos
As a resident of Charlotte, the city is one of the most “naturally segregated“ cities I’ve ever visited, the divide between rich and poor is so stark, West Charlotte is a good example, but I know of a few other high schools, Garinger comes in to mind, that are even higher percentage black.
Had a friend that grew up in NC during the 1980s, had some interesting race-related stories (street fights, etc.).
You haven t seen Cleveland Ohio . It has a bigger race problem than Boston , Its the butt of all jokes in all things but race relations are just horrible . Cleveland Schools Neighborhoods are more racially segerated now than the 60s . Cleveland second to Milwaukee is the most segerated big city in America .Boston used to be a racist city , Its changed for the better. The worst big cities economically for African Americans are mostly in the midwest , The best are in the South and West . The northeast is right in the middle . Not hypeorbole but truth .
Acting like god, your a dictator and dangerous
2:42 K’aren, summoner of management
Okay Shanequa!
Just think for a moment about all the potential lost due to this bigotry.
Yea, I'm sure we lost tens of thousands of brain surgeons, rocket scientists and the cure for cancer...lol
@@agricola 🙄
I recently graduated from a high school located in a rich suburb that bussed in students from the inner city and there were such large economic and social differences between the two populations that they school remained essentially segregated, with the white kids in mostly in the “honors” classes and the inner city kids mostly in the “regular” classes and the two populations almost never interacting socially so I think law makers need to do a better job at evaluating the success of the programs that theyre trying to use to integrate our schools moving forwards without just implementing a program because it sounds like a good idea
come to think of it, my school in Canada was similar. I grew up in a town that was the fastest growing in the country for a few years (went from about 70,000 in 2007 to over 120k i think it is today) they didn't build any new schools until after i graduated, but at the time there were 2 public high schools and 1 Catholic (built closer to the new homes, many non catholic families sent their kids there).
since the 2 public schools are located in the "old" part of town, each year the boundaries would change and students moving into new areas were sometimes randomly sent to whoever could accommodate them. The new areas are fancy modern homes, but in some of the old areas especially near the ski hill, there are large country homes, even mansions. we had a mix of kids as well, the well off students in "academic/university" level courses, while everyone else was in "applied/college" level courses. race not really being a big deal here as it is in the U.S (it's easy to see how slavery, then segregation and racist laws affects minorities today, especially living in low income areas)
You wan to hear something funny? I went to a school in the inner-city and was segregated as well according to academic/behavior. Sixth grade was normal but by the time I hit 7th grade, I notice the homerooms were separated a certain way. I ended up in the "smart" group (20 females, five males).
In the terms of John Oliver: How is this still a thing?
....Did anyone else notice at 9:09 the kid flipping off the camera?
lol
Erth Mann aayyyyy
The people who were against busing were some white suburban parents who missed segregation.
It true.
They also missed safe schools.
Did you live in that era, old enough to understand what was going on at the time? If so, did you know of any families whose children were bussed? Do you know the issues really that so worried white families whose children were being bussed, and the worries of the white children bussed? (I focus on white bc you presume (incorrectly) to know the situation.)
Who's here after the Democratic debate...?
Me, and I am not American. I just learned about busing.
@@cabc74
Same here.
@@cabc74 Same here.
Same here
Me, from the Netherlands.
It has been and will always be the golden rule................... Those that have the gold, will rule.
My dad went to west meck during bussing. He said he got jumped and that everyone hated each other. The National guard got called to the school because people were rioting and flipping busses. It’s weird to think of my school like a war zone.
My dad went to West Meck in Charlotte during bussing. He said it was constant fighting and that the national guard got called because of rioting. I go there now and most people are ok with each other.
My dad was in high school in Charlotte when all this was happening, he actually went to West Charlotte.
The fight for education. We take it for granted. Thank you for sacrificing for us!
Very instructive. 👍🏼
Just wow!
I live here, and I didn’t know this, cool
Truly interesting and sad turn of affairs. Is it a privilege i should recognize about growing up in diversity? My community was fairly integrated and i actually feel strange whenever i go to a homogeneous community. I immediately recognize the distinct lack diversity and think, "this place could use some more different kinds of folks." The logistics of bussing sounds like it was a thing, but i think it's really important for children to grow up in melting pots during this time where their empathy skills are developing. js.
I agree, I also go to a very diverse school and when I see a school nearby with only one major race it just doesn’t look right for some reason
Who are you to dictate other people wants and needs
This actually isn't a busing school issue, this is a wealth inequality and byproduct of REDLINING and RACIAL HOUSING COVENANTS ISSUE.If folks actually lived in demographically mixed neighborhoods then the local schools would be "organically" or "naturally mixed" by default.
As Mr. Griffin implied (by feeling his only option was to step aside while the fools led), we're all standing by letting ourselves isolate and close our personal worlds to differences - differences that end up magnifying similarities... Mickelson needs to get her sociological studies out there more. Let's engage and connect instead of headphones on, heads down watching screens.
I couldn't agree more. Especially obvious here in the greater Los Angeles area is the segregation of economic levels, where the rich are isolating themselves from the utter poverty of outlying suburbs. The growing popularity of gated communities makes this even more pronounced. We're slowly dividing ourselves further apart, and I'm not so sure what we can do aside from a major culture and value shift.
How about getting the adults to integrate and giving black schools the same and equal funding as the white schools?
Very often the minority schools spend more per student than middle class majority white schools. I learned this reality from being a school board member for 9 years. The percentage of special education students is much higher in many minority schools and they also have to pay for a higher level of security as well.
@@erth2man When the child is proven disabled that is the case but for the most part these parents aren't giving any sort of medical attention to their child and expecting them to subsist on lower than mediocre education. Yes, for the most part White parents and the system neglect white students more than minorities but if they have rich parents the schools aren't spending money on their education at all, their parents are and they spend anywhere from 28,000 to 50,000 a year. The seperated Church run schools of Evangelicals have the worst curriculum known. They're relatively much cheaper but still create a funding problem in public schools. China spends 18,000 on average for each student. America is spending 11.000 on average.
To be competitive you have to spent at least 18,000. And you are not. So, expect to be taken over soon.
You mean if you leave people to their own devices they'll segregate themselves?
That's what this report is stating.
That bussing worked to desegregate the schools, but once desegregation wasn't forced anymore, segregation happened again.
It's not defacto, it's economic.
Well the land of the free wasn’t so free after all
lol it never was and still not because we still have a lot of opression
The government doesn't tell you where to live like it does in other oppressive nations. You can live most anywhere you can afford to live. You can't expect someone else to pay for your housing anywhere you may want to live. Government shouldn't be picking winners and losers like that because if they did we would no longer be "the land of the free".
@@erth2man you can't take words on a paper seriously 🙄
5:11 Wait...what? If your kids were neighbors what does school have to do with anything?
My high school is 98 percent Latino and more than half of the kids are low income. I wonder what it would be like with bussing, I never heard of this before
Did he say 1999?
2:36 Karens looked the same half a century ago I see.
Same with Shaniquas!
basically. I went to an all asian elementary school, all black high school and now, a majority white college.
Where was this?
Good luck
xD Backrow!
Hey New York Times! Make a video on why the school buses in New York are so bad
It's funny and sad reading the comments below a lot of Americans I'm assuming are not Black Americans didn't realize that stuff like this happened only 40 years ago that shows how much of history Americans are learning in school
Something not explained which I don't understand. If the courts can force children to go to certain schools, why can't they force equal funding to public schools irrespective of racial makeup?
Public schools are funded through local property taxes. For arguement's sake, let's say the white neighborhoods have more expensive houses and therefore supply their schools with more tax revenue. - Can a court force a county or state to pool all the property taxes into one account?
Good question. I doubt it - that would be a real funding mess, and everyone from the school board to the tax appraisers would object.
9:09 Blue student. You're welcome!
What is the music In 9:54
They need to start overhauling the teachers. Most of my teachers in High School weren't even what I would call qualified to teach. The only teacher I thought was qualified was my automotive teacher only because he was a ASE Certified Master Technician.
I went to automotive school and had an excellent teacher there as well. He taught us two ways of performing a task. The way he was supposed to teach us,...... and then the way it was really done. I quickly learned to pay most attention to that second part. Those lessons have remained with me through a long and successful career that I'll soon comfortably retire from.
stlgtrace What... are you even talking about?
@ Right, if anything you should blame the schools, that's like the one place where you as a parent can expect for your child to be adequately accommodated for. But I guess not, if there's one thing I did learn from this it's that you should never doubt how divisive some white people can be.
In my school the teacher that I felt was most qualified did not even have a teaching degree he just took over the school lack luster aviation program and improved it. He was retired military during which he got several contact one of whom was a veteran multi millionaire that lived near the area he got the man to agree to give some money to expand the classroom add flight simulators and even pay for the pilots license for the most dedicated student. He also had friends in Embry Riddle Aeronautical university to help the program expand, it eventually got so good that students from better neighborhoods would get permission from there school to leave early just to attend one class in my school.
2:37 the face of a genius 😂
ItzOrbital i thought i was the only one laughing at her face lol
"Umm... like... the, like... continent of - hawaii"
I grew up an Army brat, living on or near Army bases in the late 60s, and early 70, and always attended integrated schools, and experienced no problems at all regarding racial tensions. Sure there were cliques, and like-minded kids that tended to gravitate together, like in any school, and kids of certain ethicities and social status tended to naturally hang together, but there was never a sense of "those people are different from us", because we knew they weren't really different from us... we all had the same general problems, and liked the same tv shows, sports teams, music, etc. I don't think enough credit is given to the military for social integration. It wasn't perfect,and wasn't always smooth sailing, but common ground was always made apparent... to the children, anyway
let me guess, the cliques were formed mostly around race
In Charlotte, NC? I'm not surprised...
What do you mean? I was on some of those first buses in Charlotte, and it worked fine here, nothing like Boston. We actually had no idea there was a court order saying we had to ride the bus, we just knew we road the bus. When the white kids came to our schools, they just road the bus to school. The kids just didn't think about it. The adults may have had a problem, but I can tell you for sure, we didn't. When Charlotte's population began to explode in the mid 90's, suburban schools became to far out, the city naturally integrated with many different races, and the magnet program really took off and continues to grow and develop, we don't really need busing for integration as much. Though court ordered busing has stopped, the school system still holds integration as a priority, so student assignment is made with integration in mind.
Remember the Titans?
Is so crazy learning about this because when I was in high school it was so intergraded. There were more Filipino students than anything else but it was comprised of black white asian and hispanic. Then over the summer of 2003-4 my county said that they would eliminate school buses for high school students and no one really cared. The students who did take the bus didn’t come back that following year and the school was predominantly white. I stayed at the school and then later transferred to a school closer to my house. I suspect after watching this my old high school followed this ruling and stopped bussing in black students. It’s crazy how that shifts. It it’s very clear some racist parent brought this suit and all other parents not knowing how this would effect other students followed along
They did the roght thing. Diversity isnt a strength it is a weakness
Political sleuth if racism means to avoid a complete mixing of races, that is, the disappearance of races, in the future, I am a racist.
You could think that races do not exist., but people who think that they do exist, ( and there are a lot of clues pointing in that direction) have also a right of decision.
I live in charlotte
The KS case BROWN V. BOARD OF EDUCATION made schools to be racist due to segregation. Some schools were black; some were white; others were for other races (colour'd people who ain't African-American).
I had to write and talk about the case for COE 201 (First-year Seminar/FYS).
The Great Plains case helps to close the achievement gap. How? By tolerating all the whole student bodys (seniors) to graduate!
I perceive that nowadays West Charlotte High's student body is 88% black and 1% white. It equates 89%. Since 100-89=11, 11% of the student body is other races going in order by domination (Latinos, Orientals, Native Americans & Pacific Islanders). West Charlotte is a racist school. The school I currently go to is diverse, currently topping #1 on the list beating Manhattan's Columbia University to #2. The school is not only diverse but as well liberal. Go Rebels!
I grew up mostly near military bases, so a lot of schools I were in were diverse but united by a common military background. It was the schools further away from the bases I didn’t like, not just because of the lack of integration (which seemed weird) but the lack of shared culture (a lot of civilians). I think the lack of shared community is a problem that’s far more significant than anything to do with anyone’s skin color. If there is no sense of togetherness that’s where the real problem is. Being on a military base or in a military community gives you that sense of community AND true integration. The best of both worlds without a lot of the problems talked about here.
The video doesn't actually explain what 'busing' means.
This amount of social engineering was indeed justifiably given the slander of “state Socialism,” but the bigger issue of demanding race quotas period was always problematic.
Even if it all was mutually agreed-upon in certain areas, they definitely should’ve started with kindergarten to second grade aged kids. Starting in middle school and high school ignited bullying from both sides and bad long-term memories and stereotypes to fester.
The Karens of the 1970's!
Schools went through bussing because the grade scores in the black schools were not up to par, not just to integrate schools. Maybe the teachers were not doing their job, maybe the books were not as good, who knows but the situation needed to be improved.
How about having two parents at home every night willing to give support to students with their homework and attendance.
I know what you are saying. I had 2 kids in school doing just that and they went to integrated schools. One time my daughter had her watch stolen and my son was accused of pushing a child and did not do that. I am not endorsing integration just stating a fact why it was done. I have found some of the teachers are terrific and it helps to forget the ones that gave your kids a hard time. I guess my kids have survived in spite of all them. @@erth2man
I can't provide thoughtful comment on anything else ... but it seems like a waste of gasoline IMO. And the kids aren't walking to school; is this why American children are so overweight?
From what I understood, this time around school segregation is something that is happening because of free choice, not by imposition, so it is completely different from the situation in the 50s and 60s.
Walter Higo liberals don’t logic
It's economics, not defacto. Respectfully, look it up.
Bussing is dividing? Say that to people in london🤔😂🤣😂🤣
This is so sad:((( I'm on the edge of crying lol
Lol
The lady report is flawed because the schools with the money/resources were the ones who did the best, regardless of race.
Retro Report is the only good thing NYT does
Wow... So you're going backwards... I come from one of the most multiracial country, Singapore. Our diversity is not only by the colour of our skin, but by the language we speak.
Seeing this happen in 2019 is a disgrace!!
But from what I understood, this time around school segregation is something that is happening because of free choice, not by imposition, so it is completely different from the sitation in the 50s and 60s.
@@walterhigo7658 wrong
@@HelloooThere
How?
Lets be honest: no political candidate today would of adamantly supported busing except for Bernie
Nancy DeVos, are you watching?
Betsy deVos wants to end public funded schools as we know it and hoover all that cash into her private school networks. Obviously that means her precious white supporters little wonders won't have to mix with the 'lesser' classes. Segregation lives on!
The white lady really let herself go 😂😂 compare to when she was in high school
who are the 6 people that didn't like this?
Yup I said it .....racists?
I don't like this because I am NOT a racist, and I believe bussing made things better.
Phil obviously has the most retention out of all of us.
Seriously though, did you watch the video? They STOPPED bussing in areas which caused even more segregation.
They should do a documentary on how people accidently thumbs down videos on UA-cam since people don't seem to realize it's a thing.
So to save money and pride on buses they throw kids under then bus
I hate schools and buses 😤😤😤😤😤😤
the music is annoying, you can barely hear anything.
Football benefitted
but like... tf exactly is bussing? im english and stupid please i need an explicit explanation uuuuuuuuuuu
Ellie Lawson Busing was the mandatory or voluntary (depending on school district) taking a bus to a school that was not your neighborhood school. It was mostly black kids being bussed to schools that were predominantly white kids and were perceived to be better schools.
this is gonna end badly. Mark my words.
Mixing black kids with white kids is completely different to mixing poor black kids with more prosperous white kids.
A lot of the trouble came from trying to force together different social classes as well as different races.
All parents want the best education for their kids, they don't get a second chance to do well, and many parents saw that trying to force poverty stricken black kids to get along with their better off (white) kids had too much potential to fail their childrens chance of getting a good education.
Busing in Charlotte was far more sucessful than Cleveland Cincy Pittsburg Detroit and other midwest cities .Cleveland busing in the 70s was not much diffrent than Boston . Cleveland schools and neighborhoods today are more segerated than the 60s. Race Relations in Cleveland are worse than Boston , Boston is not as racist as it used to be , Cleveland has become more racist .
Well, if I am studying in the US, I want to go an all asian school. Why is that a bad thing?And, why can't the governmet just give sufficient resources to everyschool, nomatter the racial composition?
You want a racial Utopia, that's not America.
Because public school funds are directly tied to property values- poorer neighborhoods are deemed to have less valuable property, property taxes are thus lower, and public schools are reliant on property tax revenues for funding. The current public school funding system makes it impossible for schools in wealthy areas and schools in impoverished areas to have access to the same resources.
@@thisgirlisreeltreble “Deemed” because the local schools are better as are other public services, the crime rates are lower and typically the houses are bigger or nicer looking design wise.
I strongly believe that people should have the right to choose their children’s school as long as it it in their county. Forcing people to send their children to schools that are not only far out of their way and inconvenient is wrong. It is not the governments business to force people to send children to one school or another, what if the government, still largely white people decides that this child of certain race or heritage is better in a crappy falling apart school. Does no one see how this plan can backfire. My solution to inequality is give people the tools to correct it for themselves not to force it, trying to right all of the worlds wrongs and we end up commuting a few ourselves.
The thing that hit the hardest for me was that West Charlotte was falling apart but as soon as white kids were gonna be in, all the sudden the state decides it’s got it in the budget to do basic repairs. Guess those white kids were more important in the eyes of the state
I don't understand that. The state decides funding for local schools? There would be general rules and if misused they can be brought to court. It doesn't make sense. And if the courts can force children to go to certain schools, why can't they force the same funding to public schools?
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These people are crazy. Segregation does not mean people who live around a school are not an equal mix of all races and integration doesn't mean taking people from all over the place and mixing them into schools away from where they live to create balanced racial demographics of a school.
My high school is pretty diverse with the exception that white people are very rare
So not diverse. Diverse would be 33% black, 33% Hispanic, 33% white.
John Le did you go to high school in LA?
The schools were segregated because of geographical reasons (blacks in urban areas and whites in suburbs). From 1972 to 1980, despite busing, the percentage of blacks attending mostly-black schools barely changed, moving from 63.6 percent to 63.3 percent. In a Gallup poll taken in the early 1970s, very low percentages of whites (4 percent) and blacks (9 percent) supported busing outside of local neighborhoods.Ultimately, even many black leaders, from Wisconsin State Rep. Annette Polly Williams, a Milwaukee Democrat, to Cleveland Mayor Michael R. White, have come to the conclusion that it is patronizing to think that minority students need to sit next to a white student to learn, and as such led efforts to end busing.
This is ridiculously absurd. My parents didn't bus me around The Charlotte-Mecklenburg Schools System thinking that somehow the mere presence of a white boy sitting at a desk next to me would drop knowledge in my head. Busing me in the 1970's for my parents was about equal distribution of resources and quality teachers. In addition, if I worked hard and took advantage of the opportunities that they didn't have in public education because of Jim Crow, my parents knew I could go far in life. That was a very moronic post, posted by someone who has no idea of the black experience, or who is just incapable of seeing the big picture.I was bussed all over CMS, and I approved this post.
"Change" is not always a good thing.
I'm glad you think so. So you will stay away from the rest of us as the world moves forward and leave you behind? because that is exactly what's going to happen...and then you'll blame the Mexicans...
What a sad fail...
Adults forcing kids to integrate. The kids that naturally segregate are smart
Wow, America is doing SO much better thanks to desegregation.
huh?
RebelRampant obviously but what I'm worried about is that because they stopped dragging random kids to ransoms schools the diversity went down even though it should have stayed relatively the same
There was nothing wrong with segregation. Blacks were surely happy to have their own schools all to themselves. I know I would.
Dude
Seriously?😑😑😑