Having 2v2 tournaments or ffa just for fun a big tournaments would have be a great way to keep sc2 fresh. I think its a little late now but still love to see it
Imagine Dark and Serral work together as the Ultimate Hive. While Serral doing all the house keeping, creeping, injecting for both swarms, Dark just spine rush the enemy
@@rumar4u Nah Dark and Serral defo is the way to go. Serral has absurd macro and management and Dark has that killer gamesense, so they work together well. One makes sure theres a ton of resources to throw at the enemy and the other uses them to great effect.
but tbh i feel like Hero and Serral would be an even better combo, because Serral is rock solid and heros pretty much the opposite. all fancy no groundwork :D
@@Phoenix-zu6on Well maybe I’ve seen how he goes toe to toe with Clem which I believe is more than what Dark can do, plus Dark’s too unpredictable to be doing 2v2
Or in the ending of brood wars case, be over run by them 😭 nobody ever even knew what happened UED fleet because ever last one of them was killed by Kerrigan.
Speaking as someone who has played a lot of team games, the strongest opponent you could face is a single player with two people's income vs two people trying to coordinate.
At lower level, like diamond, it's not true. Most of players have not enough skills to expand, research and attack at the same time. Therefore 2 playes have strong advantage been able to expand mostly unchallenged.
Most of the time, we're talking about the actual game in here. But i want to say "Thank you, Sir! Thank you for your work @Winter, to give us all those wonderful entertaining streams, including lots of little but fun video-effects like fading in hearthstone-like player-portraits, sound-effects like the mighty battlecruiser fanfare and so many others. Greatings from germany.
It's rare to see critical mass BCs lose but they couldn't handle the combined damage from the Protoss fleet and the Vikings. There were so many Vikings lmao.
2v2 is so fresh due to meta reasons, unfortunately there's no so many working combos. It seems like for any competitive RTS to succeed these days might require an IP with a large fanbase already. I am hoping there's a new DoW that's actually good to enough to an eSport. I think it can have huge potential for asymmetric faction mechanics that makes it entertaining to watch, enough of a fan base already internationally to jump start. Balancing (or not) the dozen plus factions might be too tall a task to ask for any developer though.
I don't think this would change a lot. Many rts players stick with their game even if the same IP releases a new game(SC2 & AoE2) And then the pvp gamemode usually plays very very different than the pve gamemodes, so most players never play multiplayer. Mobas & Battle Royale games are so popular because they are easy to learn & hard to master, while there simply isn't a pve mode, so players never learn to feel safe. Most rts games are hard to learn and hard to master. This simply pushes people away.
This was glorious. Love a good display of proper teamplay, even if the mode is deemed to be unbalanced. Great series, great cast (as always). More of both please!!
looks like spirit and gerald is more like teammates who work together and have a strategy that they want to try while maru and byun play like partners who trust each other to cover each others backs.
That WoW t-shirt takes me back to the 90s. For the kiddos and those not raised on K-love radio, it was a yearly released Christian pop hits compilations on CD. Now we just have spotify playlists and live in disparate and infinite mini-cultures merging the decades like 1 inch of topsoil. #monoCultureisDead #maybethatsok
I feel like battle cruisers are great but are not balanced for this type of play. They are too slow and don't really do enough consistent damage to deal with the number of units you see in a 2v2. I also feel like the Korean team at 41:00 lost because they didn't move to enough AA. Like sure the threat of a ground army was real but there were so many wasted tanks that just didn't really go towards anything. Also I would like to preface this by saying I'm no expert on StarCraft so I could be completely wrong. I used to play a bunch but never got very good at the game. Love these games though. It brings in an entirely new dynamic.
Yes, the korean team's air force is smaller than their opponent's, their ground army is not strong against air, and their opponent's air force can hit both ground and air.
I think you casting 1-2 teal games per month would be great. More than that will be a little much. Also looks like maru has a better mental fortitude than byun.
As much as I would LOVE to watch PPvPP, I think I'd prefer to watch TTvZZ or TZvTZ. I bet it could be done. Honestly I bet PPvPP is just five minutes long per game.
I have noticed that I wanted to like your videos more than any other videos when you asked us to like and subscribe because its so casual and little details like "doubling the thousand at the start" such a fun way to beg for likes and subscribes. I dont know what I would do with my life without liking your videos ma man
Having 2v2 tournaments or ffa just for fun a big tournaments would have be a great way to keep sc2 fresh. I think its a little late now but still love to see it
Never understood why they never used team matches, more units=more fun
@@MarlonSolisFallas Because its not really balanced for competitive play is why. Though that is sad cause its some times a ton of fun to watch.
Maru and Byun vs anyone but dark and serral feels like an overpowered team
Edit: just finished and it was a very interesting series
Makes you wonder if it would have ended differently if game 1 had stayed a 2v2 till the end.
clem and serral
@@dimitarpetkov177Too op
@@dimitarpetkov177Clem+maru vs dark+serral
Clem amd Byun vs Olivera and Maru
Need more 2v2 (or more) pro level games!
Imagine Dark and Serral work together as the Ultimate Hive.
While Serral doing all the house keeping, creeping, injecting for both swarms, Dark just spine rush the enemy
Reynor: Am I a joke to you ?
@@rumar4u Nah Dark and Serral defo is the way to go. Serral has absurd macro and management and Dark has that killer gamesense, so they work together well. One makes sure theres a ton of resources to throw at the enemy and the other uses them to great effect.
but tbh i feel like Hero and Serral would be an even better combo, because Serral is rock solid and heros pretty much the opposite. all fancy no groundwork :D
@@Phoenix-zu6on Well maybe I’ve seen how he goes toe to toe with Clem which I believe is more than what Dark can do, plus Dark’s too unpredictable to be doing 2v2
Nah, Serral is too "standard". Give me Dark and Rogue.
Now I'm starving for z&z vs T&T
going to be the same as Z vs T except the zergs will do even worse in the late game... terran units (read ghost) stack up far better
I want that TPvZZ, Winter. Give me those delicious Campaign vibes of Terrans and Protoss coming together to fend off the Swarm.
Or in the ending of brood wars case, be over run by them 😭
nobody ever even knew what happened UED fleet because ever last one of them was killed by Kerrigan.
I feel like you should advertise this as 2v2, its unusual and imo its cool and very underutilised in SC2 Pro matches.
Battlecruisers + Final likely gets more viewers.
@@berndarndt9924 you can have all 3 :D
Amazing team work from Spirit and Gerald !!! they beat 2 world champions at once ;)))
Speaking as someone who has played a lot of team games, the strongest opponent you could face is a single player with two people's income vs two people trying to coordinate.
At lower level, like diamond, it's not true. Most of players have not enough skills to expand, research and attack at the same time. Therefore 2 playes have strong advantage been able to expand mostly unchallenged.
if one guy focuses on economy, it's very viable.
love this 2v2 format！
Most of the time, we're talking about the actual game in here. But i want to say "Thank you, Sir! Thank you for your work @Winter, to give us all those wonderful entertaining streams, including lots of little but fun video-effects like fading in hearthstone-like player-portraits, sound-effects like the mighty battlecruiser fanfare and so many others. Greatings from germany.
Very fun this hybrid games
I love to see this that combination between Terran and Protoss is so powerful
Serral and Clem team up would be insane to watch. They would just crush
Pro team matches seems interesting I'd watch another one if you posted it
More of this for sure
Based solely off the cards you’d think this would be one sided. Amazing series!
It's rare to see critical mass BCs lose but they couldn't handle the combined damage from the Protoss fleet and the Vikings. There were so many Vikings lmao.
2v2 is so fresh due to meta reasons, unfortunately there's no so many working combos. It seems like for any competitive RTS to succeed these days might require an IP with a large fanbase already. I am hoping there's a new DoW that's actually good to enough to an eSport. I think it can have huge potential for asymmetric faction mechanics that makes it entertaining to watch, enough of a fan base already internationally to jump start. Balancing (or not) the dozen plus factions might be too tall a task to ask for any developer though.
I don't think this would change a lot. Many rts players stick with their game even if the same IP releases a new game(SC2 & AoE2)
And then the pvp gamemode usually plays very very different than the pve gamemodes, so most players never play multiplayer.
Mobas & Battle Royale games are so popular because they are easy to learn & hard to master, while there simply isn't a pve mode, so players never learn to feel safe.
Most rts games are hard to learn and hard to master. This simply pushes people away.
This was glorious. Love a good display of proper teamplay, even if the mode is deemed to be unbalanced. Great series, great cast (as always). More of both please!!
"There's always that guy sitting back and making carriers"
Now I know I've been playing like a pro this whole time.
its very refreshing I love this , please make more 2v2 Winter
I hope we reach the like goal so Winter doesnt close the channel
starcraft logic, dud with a rifle destroys a space ship
Marine or zerling can destroy tank.
looks like spirit and gerald is more like teammates who work together and have a strategy that they want to try while maru and byun play like partners who trust each other to cover each others backs.
imagine being up against Maru and Byun
I'd like to believe that ByuN just had to go to the bathroom in game 1.
1:02:23 "Don't ask how Physics works" 🤣
I laugh every single time I see the Micro Jackson profile spot. Good stuff.
I so wanted maru to win that first one. What a heroic stand.
That WoW t-shirt takes me back to the 90s. For the kiddos and those not raised on K-love radio, it was a yearly released Christian pop hits compilations on CD. Now we just have spotify playlists and live in disparate and infinite mini-cultures merging the decades like 1 inch of topsoil. #monoCultureisDead #maybethatsok
3:30 I wish creep worked in team games the same as in coop.
came here for this, co-op creep is owned by everybody so it doesn’t block terran protoss structures, i’m sure they could mod this.
We meed more 2v2 games broadcasted on the channel! Thanks for the video!
Fuckin' aye team games hype! Now, if only we could get organized 3v3...
Brawo panowie!
Wow Maru playing single player
12 BC's going on 20! Beautiful, absolutely beautiful!
Jimmy doubling that number of likes making Winter's life more harder lols
sick battles all around. great series. 'nuff said
Thank You
Om nom nom
Lol, Maru and Byun together in a 2v2 and somehow losing
God dayum
This was great more of this please
Ah yes maru's split personality, Martwo
I love 2v2 i wish we had more games!
Is it possible that you pop in "ingame time" in your replays?
I nodded slowly in anticipation upon reading the title. This ought to be a heck of a game.
I want a team game with Dark and Rogue working together on one side.
Awesome guys love 2v2
I feel like battle cruisers are great but are not balanced for this type of play. They are too slow and don't really do enough consistent damage to deal with the number of units you see in a 2v2. I also feel like the Korean team at 41:00 lost because they didn't move to enough AA. Like sure the threat of a ground army was real but there were so many wasted tanks that just didn't really go towards anything. Also I would like to preface this by saying I'm no expert on StarCraft so I could be completely wrong. I used to play a bunch but never got very good at the game.
Love these games though. It brings in an entirely new dynamic.
Yes, the korean team's air force is smaller than their opponent's, their ground army is not strong against air, and their opponent's air force can hit both ground and air.
Dwóch Polaków w teamie, Spirit i Gerald 😮
That wasn't 200 supply of battlecruisers though, he still had like 40 SCV's
Great 2v2 game right there
Winter, we need you to use your connections to get a ZZ vs TT game with pros
I'd like to see more 2v2 casts.
MORE 2V2!
havne't seen a maru game for a long time. almost thought he retired.
The Terran and Protoss together had an advantage over the x2 Terran, with some unit mixes that really worked well togeher.
I agree with Jimmy we should double it, will he appear on October 31?
heck yeah, great video
seeing that last game play out was mmmm delicious
2v2 is awesome 🎉
most professionnal..still to see, already battlecruiser is a good start, good commenting still
just leaving a 2v2 game without asking your team mate, that's so bm man.
Winter always dressed for the occasion
gratulacje chlopaki ! 💪
I think you casting 1-2 teal games per month would be great. More than that will be a little much.
Also looks like maru has a better mental fortitude than byun.
As much as I would LOVE to watch PPvPP, I think I'd prefer to watch TTvZZ or TZvTZ. I bet it could be done.
Honestly I bet PPvPP is just five minutes long per game.
Br… Brenda !! Where’s the Like button… it’s there Susan
Jimmy demands likes, i oblige
Maru: "come at me bro"
If the like count is doubled for a 2v2, I should be able to give all 4 of those players a like… +1 for Susan
Poor Protos, EMP coming from all sides.
More 2v2 clips please
I have one of the funniest 4v4 replay i want to share with you Winter, how do i do so lol
Crazy how team Korea wasn't sharing control
Blizz should make world of StarCraft..
Winter, you are the best!
Doubled anyway lol
Marines onna 1way trip
2v2 ❤
First time I've watched and my like contributed to the goal 💥
When I play raynor and swann i try to get swann to build ALL attachments.
Day 73 winter. Still looking for our Brenda t shirt...
"Get off my CREEP!"
Added my like
Ally of Zerg: Brenda don’t put that tumour there!
Let's get this to 2,874 likes :))
What a clickbait title. Maru did not have 200 supply of Battlecruisers. He had about 80 supply of BC's. Winter is getting desperate.
Let them fight
Maru really just saw his teammate leave and went "Nah, I'm him."
1min in and the teams do not look fair at all... I can't even recall the blue team. Interested to see how this is an hour long
More 2 vs 2
2:07 flo has stolen addons before
And I feel like you don't have to wait for the 4 minute mark in a team game either, because it's something built into the game.
Even though he had a Terran. My like rules are simple, Terran loses, likes given!
Nice
I have noticed that I wanted to like your videos more than any other videos when you asked us to like and subscribe because its so casual and little details like "doubling the thousand at the start" such a fun way to beg for likes and subscribes. I dont know what I would do with my life without liking your videos ma man
well that battlecruiser army sure does suck
nice
POLSKA GUROM
Brendaaaaaa where are ya 😢
MORE TEAM GAYMS
Classic Jimmy always making excuses and looking for reasons to make excuses!
LIKE THE VIDEO