Watched 2 videos on garden Room construction. Really good way of securing a frame above ground. Neat idea with shoes to hold timber in place. Useful ideas I will put to good use when building our new home in France this spring onwards. Thank you & well done
I spent 2 hours in my dads house today trying to fit a new bathroom suite and tiles in before I sell it and there was no central heating on and it was cold so I don’t know how you’re surviving outdoors in this weather Liam . But fair play to you and the lads and great video content as usual 👍
Great job guys, steel rods for piles, just to let you know, you can buy a product called a mushroom it sits on top of rods. To protect people falling on rods.they are cheap and reusable.
Love the commentary, your a natural and should be on the tv... your brain always has to be 5 clicks ahead on jobs like that ...well done William great channel... Where did you buy the pop up tent and where do you buy your threaded bars with plates , could use them to hang a mez from my garage. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK !!
I feel for you guys these conditions, everything becomes so much harder!, plus staff off with covid that's testing for yer 🙄 Tip top videos William keep them coming 👍🏻 Regards from Saltburn 🙂
Where the gardens have been used to dump all sorts during the house build so they aren’t easy to dig through how do you manage digging the holes. There’s hardly any top soil in my garden then it’s hard under that with rocks, debris etc?
Get yourself a surveyors staff bubble and you can plumb the bolts more easily. Also set the bolts say 10 mm minimum off the stringline then you have no chance of knocking the string offline. So all bolts will be 10 mm or whatever you choose off. Also cling film the bolts. Just a tip. I would try 50mm offset, see how you go.
Great videos! I was wondering about the number of piles you are using for even the tiniest garden office. Why are there so many? When you compare it to other builder videos, most of them have only 6 piles for a shed of 3m x 6m for example. I was thinking of buying a kit/plan, but I would need to change so many things to customize it to my needs, but also beam sizes etc. (70mm x100mm is not available over here in Holland). Thanks and keep the good stuff coming.
Love watching your videos and Im planning to build a garden room myself, probably based on your methods and perhaps a build pack. I have q BIG question though regarding your pile system.....my property has restrictions meaning that basic protection against ground gas must be provided to habitable spaces - this was just a radon barrier sheet under the concrete slab on my extension to my hose, but is there a method of sealing against ground gas if a pile system like yours is used????????
What the done of non structurally correct the rod bars are separate from the concrete Platform. Agree with you, was better to cast in the bars directly in the platform with chemical resin or Sika cement for cast in element in ageing concrete.
Hi Liam, I know that you have said on many occasions that it’s not the end of the world if you get the measurements a little off when doing the base. But does that include getting the rods a little out of line. On the back line, one of my rods is out of line, is there a plan for this event or do I just have to do that pile again? Please tell me it’s not the latter.
You will find using trigonometry to work out the measurements is both more accurate and quicker. Just get your front line straight then triangulate to get the back corners. Get a right angled triangle solver app for your phone. And put that square back in the van Very informative videos by the way.
Would you still use the rods if one side was falling just over 1.2m compared with the other side over a 5m stretch so the rods were just off the ground one side then up to 1.2m above ground the other side or would you use big wooden posts on the high side ? (Hope that makes sense !)
M24 bolts have very high shear strength. About 10kg across every mil of thread, so the bolts in this video prob about 25000 kg. I still wouldn’t chance what you are suggesting though on M24 across drop of 1.2m from high to low side is a risk using this method. If you went up to M30 or M42 then perhaps ok. M42 shear strength is about 50000kg even though your building wont weight anywhere near that much.
regarding the shuttering, did you pour the concrete on top of the lose muck you dropped in first? i dont understand the point in having the empty side? or did you fill both sides with concrete? cheers
How high do you reckon you can stand these rods up before they become unreliable? I'm on a sloped area so the rear side of the base might have to go up a good 30cm compared to the front.
Great detailed uploads....can you point me in the direction of buying the steel shoes please as i don't have the tooling to drill and cut from blank lengths. Thank you 📐🛠🔩
@@thegardenroomguru thank you for the quick reply, unfortunately I don't have Facebook....I'll see if theres a local steel merchants?? Look forward to the next installment 👍
Would your system work for a home gym that's built over soil (rather than the previously concreted slab like in this video)? Surely you'd eventually get some movement of the rods if you're repeatedly lifting and dropping 150kg+ weights...?
I don't think it matters but is there a reason you have a punched square hole in the plate for the rod? Is it OK to simply have them drilled with a round hole?
They are square washer plates. Used when creating holding down bolt bases for steel columns.When you use them with a holding down bolt , the bolt has a square shank near the base, so the plate sits over the square bit and sits at the base of the bolt . Then you use a cone (wax or polystyrene) over the top of the bolt that sits down on the plate so that the bolt does not set in the concrete. You use a piece of ply to space the bolts out to match the holes in the column base. Then pour the concrete in the hole and it sets around the cones. That way you have movement on the bolts, until you tighten down the base plate on your column.
Its pointless as your comparing apples with oranges but i'll give you an idea anyway. A concrete base will always cost far more as it is a superior base to the "piles". There are also more factors that effect the cost of a concrete base such as amount of soil needing excavated to reach a suitable subgrade and then the amount of MOT or crushed aggregate required to fill back up to the sub grade before the concrete. Also access as all that soil will need to be removed and replaced with suitable fill material; sometimes access is the main problem. The "pile" system is not really effected by the top layer of ground being soft so costs are unlikely to change a lot as all you have to do is dig them a bit deeper if the ground is still too soft. The downside is that you loose important height as your starting 50mm of the ground for air flow and then the floor build up on top. You also end up with a less solid floor. I Also questing the stability as a 300mm wide pile doesn't have that much surface area only going down 700mm, the wider you make them the better especially on unstable ground. Piles - No floor structure £620 - No Labour expect 2 men, 2days - 21 concrete piles 300mmx 700mm deep with threaded bar and 100x50mm PFC bracket to accept the timber frame. Haven't accounted for soil removal but can add £260 for a 6yd skip. Concrete mixed by hand but volumetric lorry can be used. Concrete base £920 - No Labour included, expect 2 men, 3 days reasonable ground - This is for 2.4x4.7m concrete slab 150mm thick with DPM with sand blinding on top of 150mm compacted type 1 and woven geotextile. Excavated 150mm of soil. includes 1x 6yd skip and 1 day plate compactor hire. Includes concrete shuttering. Concrete mixed by hand but would be cheaper to use volumetric concrete lorry as over 1m2. If you want my opinion I'd always go with a concrete base if possible as it is similar in cost, but where access is a problem the piles should do IF DONE PROPERLY.
A Structural engineer, funnily enough commented tonight offering to do free calculations as he said I don’t need to put that many in, IMO they work in every single application, mm perfect too 😏
No, they put a nut each side of the plate so that the load is spread across the area of the plate. The rod on its own could be pushed through, but not with the plate bolted on
M24 threaded bar 1 meter long Hes mentioned before they are 8.8 grade. Orbital fasteners and others do them online. Not sure where the boss man gets them.
@@tentonhammer5469 Thanks a lot. I sourced everything now. Help much appreciated. Tell your boss that his videos are very bad for me - I am just glued to UA-cam leaving household chores. I can't stop gaining the knowledge from him🙀🙀🙀. Kudos to him
@@victoriabishop1057 haha thanks. Hes not my boss though. I would happily work for him. I just called him boss man because he is the boss. I'm in the trade and refer to my boss as Boss Man. Glad you sourced everything. I've been binge watching him also as I want to build a garden workshop at some point. Good luck with your build.
@@tentonhammer5469 Weather is bad got circulation problems ans I am diddy 80 yr old grl. \i want to build garden office like you. I am combining few you tubers with Mr Griffin. I enjoyed Build a Simple, Inexpensive, Outdoor Storage Shed with Basic Hand Power Tools.by worth effort and few others. Keeping all side panels screwed /unscrewed wood in the garage - weather improves then bribe friends with burger to help me so help me GOD😜🤞
I lasted about an hour in the garden today. Respect for working in these challenging times. Good luck and stay well.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and all at Oakwood Gardens. You never know I might get the last bits done on my build next year. 🎄🎅
Amazing attention to detail agin your defo what you call a quality tradesmen keep up the great work William & team 👏
You're still better than any TV program out there, nice one for takin your time out to show how its all done ;-))
Amazing video as always. Thanks.
Watched 2 videos on garden Room construction. Really good way of securing a frame above ground. Neat idea with shoes to hold timber in place. Useful ideas I will put to good use when building our new home in France this spring onwards. Thank you & well done
Brilliant, no BS,very informative and no silly music 👍
Great vid once again Liam. Can’t believe you are working in these conditions. Spent 5 minutes outside today and froze. Well done mate
Hope your well mate
All good Liam.....stay safe
It’s a pleasure watching you lads work. Happy you’re busy and hope your staff recovers soon.
I spent 2 hours in my dads house today trying to fit a new bathroom suite and tiles in before I sell it and there was no central heating on and it was cold so I don’t know how you’re surviving outdoors in this weather Liam . But fair play to you and the lads and great video content as usual 👍
Northern init
@@fghjjjk I’m northern myself ( Liverpool) but it was cold 😂
@@ozzyefc44 yeah man worse today I was building s gate an screen in North wales
Happy New Year to you and all your team.
Great job guys, steel rods for piles, just to let you know, you can buy a product called a mushroom it sits on top of rods. To protect people falling on rods.they are cheap and reusable.
You can use foil around your rods to stop concrete sticking then just rip it off when it’s dry
Hose is out mate, gotta clean down anyway
Love the commentary, your a natural and should be on the tv... your brain always has to be 5 clicks ahead on jobs like that ...well done William great channel... Where did you buy the pop up tent and where do you buy your threaded bars with plates , could use them to hang a mez from my garage.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK !!
pop up gazebo ws from Gala tents mate, Threaded bar comes form Bapps for bolts in Leeds, they do deliver too, thanks for your support
I feel for you guys these conditions, everything becomes so much harder!, plus staff off with covid that's testing for yer 🙄
Tip top videos William keep them coming 👍🏻 Regards from Saltburn 🙂
Nothing phases these guys they simply "crack on" ... Very professional
Where the gardens have been used to dump all sorts during the house build so they aren’t easy to dig through how do you manage digging the holes. There’s hardly any top soil in my garden then it’s hard under that with rocks, debris etc?
Thanks for the video. What thickness rods do you use? Thanks
Great vid. Thx. Am I right to assume these are M24 threaded rods?
Get yourself a surveyors staff bubble and you can plumb the bolts more easily. Also set the bolts say 10 mm minimum off the stringline then you have no chance of knocking the string offline. So all bolts will be 10 mm or whatever you choose off. Also cling film the bolts. Just a tip. I would try 50mm offset, see how you go.
Why rods and not concrete base?
Just quicker or to keep damp out or something similar?
You should get yourself an auger for the holes
No complex jargon,just explaining in simple terms ,easy to follow and understand for when I am building my workshop at the rear of my garden.
Hats off Sir. You are very skilled and knowledgeable. Appreciate your work. Also your team is great 👍
Would a petrol post auger not save you a lot of time digging the holes?
God ya, better still rent or buy a small mini digger with an auger, 👍🔨 🇮🇪
@@Toyotaamazon80series big difference in COST guys! Have you bought a mini digger recently........!!!?
@@andymccabe6712 They can be rented for reasonable rates. Even a two man two stroke auger would be a game changer.
Great videos! I was wondering about the number of piles you are using for even the tiniest garden office. Why are there so many? When you compare it to other builder videos, most of them have only 6 piles for a shed of 3m x 6m for example. I was thinking of buying a kit/plan, but I would need to change so many things to customize it to my needs, but also beam sizes etc. (70mm x100mm is not available over here in Holland). Thanks and keep the good stuff coming.
Love watching your videos and Im planning to build a garden room myself, probably based on your methods and perhaps a build pack. I have q BIG question though regarding your pile system.....my property has restrictions meaning that basic protection against ground gas must be provided to habitable spaces - this was just a radon barrier sheet under the concrete slab on my extension to my hose, but is there a method of sealing against ground gas if a pile system like yours is used????????
Not a massive load down on the piles. What do you think about bolt down baseplates with chemical anchors.
What the done of non structurally correct the rod bars are separate from the concrete Platform. Agree with you, was better to cast in the bars directly in the platform with chemical resin or Sika cement for cast in element in ageing concrete.
Could you use 2 plate washers... one below ground and one to sit timber on instead of shoe ? Cheers
I'm trying to find this out as well
Did you ever find this out?
Love your work is there any work going 😀 only in Sheffield 😉
Don't know if anyone has asked this or not but instead of using the shoe could you use another washer for it to sit on?
Hahahhaa comments good or bad we’ll take em all..... good video on explaining that process, I actually like that rod system u got goin on there
Happy new year everyone
Where do you get the rods from?
Hi Liam, I know that you have said on many occasions that it’s not the end of the world if you get the measurements a little off when doing the base. But does that include getting the rods a little out of line. On the back line, one of my rods is out of line, is there a plan for this event or do I just have to do that pile again?
Please tell me it’s not the latter.
How far out mate??
Spot on as always,
Could you use the rapid set post cement for the rod's ?
Is this base with threaded rods enough to give firm base for gym equipment like weights, treadmill? Or a concrete base is better?
Top quality! Just what I needed!
Lovely work boys. I bet all this working from home lark is doing wonders for your business tho with people wanting home offices 👌🏼
You will find using trigonometry to work out the measurements is both more accurate and quicker.
Just get your front line straight then triangulate to get the back corners.
Get a right angled triangle solver app for your phone.
And put that square back in the van
Very informative videos by the way.
Would you still use the rods if one side was falling just over 1.2m compared with the other side over a 5m stretch so the rods were just off the ground one side then up to 1.2m above ground the other side or would you use big wooden posts on the high side ?
(Hope that makes sense !)
M24 bolts have very high shear strength. About 10kg across every mil of thread, so the bolts in this video prob about 25000 kg. I still wouldn’t chance what you are suggesting though on M24 across drop of 1.2m from high to low side is a risk using this method. If you went up to M30 or M42 then perhaps ok. M42 shear strength is about 50000kg even though your building wont weight anywhere near that much.
regarding the shuttering, did you pour the concrete on top of the lose muck you dropped in first? i dont understand the point in having the empty side? or did you fill both sides with concrete? cheers
One side has the pipe, it’s just got clay in, the other side is concrete, that way no weight is over the pipe mate
Would you recommend spraying rods with wd40 to help keep clean while concreting in
No mate, quick spray with hose pipe sorts them out,
How high do you reckon you can stand these rods up before they become unreliable? I'm on a sloped area so the rear side of the base might have to go up a good 30cm compared to the front.
Is Pep Guardiola moonlighting now?
Great detailed uploads....can you point me in the direction of buying the steel shoes please as i don't have the tooling to drill and cut from blank lengths. Thank you 📐🛠🔩
There’s a guy on the Facebook group, can’t remember his name but he’s selling them at a good price
@@thegardenroomguru thank you for the quick reply, unfortunately I don't have Facebook....I'll see if theres a local steel merchants?? Look forward to the next installment 👍
Let me see if I can find him
07801240985 adam Todd
@@thegardenroomguru Adam is very responsive. 👍🏼👍🏼
Ive have particularly sandy soil, would threaded rod/concrete be advised? Thanks for great vids!
where do u buy these rods pal
Would your system work for a home gym that's built over soil (rather than the previously concreted slab like in this video)? Surely you'd eventually get some movement of the rods if you're repeatedly lifting and dropping 150kg+ weights...?
If your dropping 150kg mate you will need to go down the planning route as the 2.5 height limit won’t let you clean n jerk!
@@thegardenroomguru The height limitation shouldn't be a problem, I was thinking more for deadlifts, etc
Can you tell us where you get the rods and nuts from please, also the steel shoes.
Yea I would like to no as well mate because I want to see if I can make a shed off the floor
Just Google galvanised or zinc plated
m24 rods and you should find them.
Building off a raised bed, where do you measure the max height from?
Don’t forget your welly’s tomorrow 😄😄
will this pile and rod system take the weight of a 4 person hot tub ?
Yes mate, 1st one I can drive my car on I will, it weighs 2.7tonne according to manufacturer’s guide book 👍🏼
Would this system work for a conservatory off the main house? Its just gonna have a dining table in it.
no
Easily
can you use post mix for the rods or would you advise against that???
It’s not strong enough mate
@@thegardenroomguru good man thanks
I don't think it matters but is there a reason you have a punched square hole in the plate for the rod? Is it OK to simply have them drilled with a round hole?
They just come like that mate 🤷🏻
They are square washer plates. Used when creating holding down bolt bases for steel columns.When you use them with a holding down bolt , the bolt has a square shank near the base, so the plate sits over the square bit and sits at the base of the bolt . Then you use a cone (wax or polystyrene) over the top of the bolt that sits down on the plate so that the bolt does not set in the concrete. You use a piece of ply to space the bolts out to match the holes in the column base. Then pour the concrete in the hole and it sets around the cones.
That way you have movement on the bolts, until you tighten down the base plate on your column.
Which suppliers is the steel rods from ?
Great video as always, do you have a rough price comparison between your base system and just a full slab?
Its pointless as your comparing apples with oranges but i'll give you an idea anyway. A concrete base will always cost far more as it is a superior base to the "piles". There are also more factors that effect the cost of a concrete base such as amount of soil needing excavated to reach a suitable subgrade and then the amount of MOT or crushed aggregate required to fill back up to the sub grade before the concrete. Also access as all that soil will need to be removed and replaced with suitable fill material; sometimes access is the main problem.
The "pile" system is not really effected by the top layer of ground being soft so costs are unlikely to change a lot as all you have to do is dig them a bit deeper if the ground is still too soft. The downside is that you loose important height as your starting 50mm of the ground for air flow and then the floor build up on top. You also end up with a less solid floor. I Also questing the stability as a 300mm wide pile doesn't have that much surface area only going down 700mm, the wider you make them the better especially on unstable ground.
Piles - No floor structure
£620 - No Labour expect 2 men, 2days - 21 concrete piles 300mmx 700mm deep with threaded bar and 100x50mm PFC bracket to accept the timber frame. Haven't accounted for soil removal but can add £260 for a 6yd skip. Concrete mixed by hand but volumetric lorry can be used.
Concrete base
£920 - No Labour included, expect 2 men, 3 days reasonable ground - This is for 2.4x4.7m concrete slab 150mm thick with DPM with sand blinding on top of 150mm compacted type 1 and woven geotextile. Excavated 150mm of soil. includes 1x 6yd skip and 1 day plate compactor hire. Includes concrete shuttering. Concrete mixed by hand but would be cheaper to use volumetric concrete lorry as over 1m2.
If you want my opinion I'd always go with a concrete base if possible as it is similar in cost, but where access is a problem the piles should do IF DONE PROPERLY.
@@Palo-jm7xc you don’t need to excavate to put a concrete base in it can be a raised concrete base then he’s no excavation involved
Not on top of grass surely 🙈
A Structural engineer, funnily enough commented tonight offering to do free calculations as he said I don’t need to put that many in, IMO they work in every single application, mm perfect too 😏
@@Palo-jm7xc sorry I’ve just seen your reply, thank you for that response that is really helpful, cheers for taking the time
What thickness rods are you using? Great Videos
Without looking at my plans believe they are 24mm .
They are mate, m24💪🏻
@@thegardenroomguru Thanks
Shouldn’t the plates be higher up if the building will push the rods through the concrete then it’s only on 6inches??
No, they put a nut each side of the plate so that the load is spread across the area of the plate. The rod on its own could be pushed through, but not with the plate bolted on
Yep, I was thinking the same. The square plate washer should be as high as possible to leave a foot or more concrete below it for strength
Yes not couple of inches don’t make sense
If it's not a right angle.. it's a wrong angle!
if the square aint locked off its a balls up!
What are those steel pins called at toolstation?
Think there fencing pins mate
@@thegardenroomguru there for fencing using rope
Hi
where do you get those piling screws and what are those called
M24 threaded bar 1 meter long Hes mentioned before they are 8.8 grade. Orbital fasteners and others do them online. Not sure where the boss man gets them.
@@tentonhammer5469 Thanks a lot. I sourced everything now. Help much appreciated. Tell your boss that his videos are very bad for me - I am just glued to UA-cam leaving household chores. I can't stop gaining the knowledge from him🙀🙀🙀. Kudos to him
@@victoriabishop1057 haha thanks. Hes not my boss though. I would happily work for him. I just called him boss man because he is the boss. I'm in the trade and refer to my boss as Boss Man. Glad you sourced everything. I've been binge watching him also as I want to build a garden workshop at some point. Good luck with your build.
@@tentonhammer5469 But he is BOSS isn't he? Now on I am going refer him 'The Boss man' as Bruce Springsteen. Plates I found in Leeds. Have a nice day😅
@@tentonhammer5469 Weather is bad got circulation problems ans I am diddy 80 yr old grl. \i want to build garden office like you. I am combining few you tubers with Mr Griffin. I enjoyed Build a Simple, Inexpensive, Outdoor Storage Shed with Basic Hand Power Tools.by worth effort and few others.
Keeping all side panels screwed /unscrewed wood in the garage - weather improves then bribe friends with burger to help me so help me GOD😜🤞
Get that Mince Pie down ya lad.
Hang on, I thought "galvanised" was the same thing as "zinc plated". Are you telling me there is a difference?
Zinc plated is cheaper and looks pretty but should not be used outside.
Typical Limited company operation.
might be safer to measure out for your square? good video tho!
Setting out is the key, but then you know that.😉😉
I swear Michael Bisping is narrating this 😆
The square has to be parallel to the string to do the eyeball check🤔
Parallel yes, but not directly under
cowboy concrete when its freezing
Good lads them from air concrete, used them a few times👍
Christmas hat,mate?
Winters here mate
Nick Morris just got charged 2-3k just for putting them in check his video out got absolutely robbed its his garden office
Not like you william lot of nails sticking up from artificial grass
Another great video though
Take a breath pal
Can you talk a bit faster pls! :)