Marvelman: Lost Hero of the Golden Age Ep.21
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- Опубліковано 2 кві 2018
- This is a short documentary on Marvelman (aka: Miracleman). He is currently part of the Marvel Universe, but his publishing history started in post war England and continued on through a major court battle between writers Alan Moore/Neil Gaimon and comic book publisher Todd McFarlane (Image Comics).
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I don't know about Marvel Man but "Young Nasty Man" needs to make a comeback
I was one of those British kids who ran down to the market every Saturday morning to hand over his sixpence coin to buy a black and white book of dreams called Marvelman. Even though I later began to read about the many colourful American superheroes Marvelman was and still is my favourite.
“Hey, can I copy your homework?”
“Sure, just change it up a little bit so it doesn’t look the same.”
Plot twist: They both spelt atomik backwards
I have this theory that the Marvel character "The Sentry" was really an attempt to bring Marvelman into the Marvel Universe without having to get involved in the legal hassle surrounding him. The parallels between the two are numerous especially in the first Sentry miniseries. Both heroes have been "forgotten" in their worlds and reduced to mere mortals for mysterious reasons when we first meet them. Both of their mortal identities are plagued by dreams of their time as superheroes. Both are in marriages that are on the rocks. And both characters are essentially deconstructions of Silver and Golden Age comics.
Read the original SENTRY miniseries, not the subsequent appearances by the character since they clearly had no clue what to do with him after that. And tell me if it doesn't read like a retread of Marvelman. Hell I expected the Sentry to be revealed as Marvelman once Marvel gained ownership of the character.
That is great info that I was not aware of. Thanks albion65!!!
Thank you sir. It is just a theory until I can find someone involved with the Sentry miniseries to admit that I'm right. Officially the Sentry miniseries was created to do a story about a supposed "real" Marvel superhero who was forgotten. The creators even got Stan Lee to go along with the hoax that the Sentry had been a real Silver age Marvel hero. Still I was amazed by the similarities between the Sentry and Marvelman.
Absolutely a retread of Marvelman! I had been away from comics for about eight years, when a new work friend brought me the Sentry collection to try to pull me back in. I read it, and told him how good it was back when Alan Moore wrote it years before!
albion65 I never gave much thought, being a Yank and all. Upon reading your analysis, I believe that you are correct. I’ve always thought that Sentry was Superman but you’ve convinced me otherwise. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the Sentry/MM connection. Also, what great injustices that the corporate owned “Big Two “ have committed over the years. An unfair claim that Captain Marvel is a Superman ripoff, years later DC buys Cap and uses him extensively. Marvel has a shit fit over the Marvelman name and now they own him! I’m glad that I stopped giving money to these unscrupulous outfits years ago!
Yeah, what you speak of is only Alan Moore's rewriting of MM character. The original was a shameless rip-off of "Captain Marvel/Shazam". The similarities are so shallow you could compare Batman and Blue Beetle. Sentry and MM are two different characters.
Poor Johnny Bates. It's heartbreaking. Moore's an amazing writer.
This is the most detailed video on the complicated history of the character Marvelman/Miracleman I've ever come across. I love that you have some many visual examples of all the comics from the various eras surrounding the different iterations of the charter. Well done.
Thanks Ryan! I try to put that effort in all my videos!
The 80s series by Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman is a superb must read. It is incredibly dark and examines what would happen if beings with such god-like powers really existed and the impact it would have on humanity (especially if one of them was insane).
wolf crow I have all the graphic novels and they are fantastic.
I'm obssessed with Alan Moore's work, I have read Swamp Thing, Watchmen, V for Vendetta you name it, but his Miracle Man run it's amazing...always delivering on the dark side of super heroes.
I only really cared for it up until winter was born then everything after that was just nonsense up until young miracleman was brought back then it got interesting again
miracleman is the big bang of modern comics. no miracleman, no watchmen, no dark knight, no sandman ...
Ah so it's fun to learn where the "Miracle Man" name comes from. Although it would be fun if someone could revive the "Captain Miracle" character, i love the look.
They should have Rename him to "Kimota".
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Conrado Javier
I see what you did there 👍
Wait, Young Nasty Man is a real thing?!
Bill Volk .....Tenacious D got some ‘splaining to do.
British comic books in the 1950s were a bit childish and silly.
1. The original Captain Marvel stories happened on Earth-S (Fawcett comics) from the DC Pre-Crisis multiverse. Until Crisis on Infinite Earths, were Earth-S Merged with Earth-One (DC Comics: Silver Age), Earth-Two (DC Comics: Golden Age), Earth-Four (Chartlon Comics) and Earth-X (an earth based on Quality comics) into New Earth (Earth-0) Later this earth will be rebooted again on Flashpoint, New Earth will Merged with the Wildstorm Universe (Earth-50) and the Vertigo Universe into Prime Earth (Earth 0). Later the multiverse came back on infinite crisis, Earth-5 will appear, the home of a classic Captain Marvel, after Flashpoint Earth 5 became home of the original Captain Marvel, meanwhile on Earth 0 exists the modern Shazam.
2. Meanwhile MarvelMan/ MiracleMan stories happens on Earth-18 of the Marvel Multiverse.
Yep andres, it's complicated! Thanks for sharing the info. I know I could not explain it that well!
My head hurts.
Thanks for the info on Mick Anglo’s post Marvelman attempts to reskin the character again. Anglo doesn’t get covered as much in most videos about the complicated history of Marvelman/Miracleman.
This is why I like your channel so much I never even knew there was a superhero called Marvel man your channel is Awesome Man.
I am seeing more vids on Miracleman in the last few years. I love the renewed attention to this great series. The publication and legalities have always been confusing for me so I appreciate the breakdown
Hi MM! I had no idea so many people were into Marvelman/Miracleman. The 1980s run was amazing. It was really well thought out and written/drawn. The legal issues get confusing. I just gave a basic breakdown without going into the legalize part of it.
I love your video. Well done. I bought Miracleman starting with #1 back in 1985. As time went by I bought the collected trade paper backs too. It is an amazing story... both the art and writing. I eagerly await the promised new issues by Gaiman (it has been a long wait).
Have to say how much I have enjoyed watching your excellent series. Hope more are on their way. Thanks Again!
Great Series ! Maybe next some not so old comicbook characters?: Vampirella, Lee Falks Phantom,Turok, Magnus Robot Fighter, Turok , Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon, Family Robinson. Or some special like Conan , Lone Ranger, Zorro, Tarzan. Hope you never stop, i love your Dokus
Thanks again for the amazing quality content....always blows my mind. Good on ya!
Thank you for this! Love your channel!
Excellent episode in an excellent series. Thanks you so much for presenting these.!
I sincerely love your channel!! Thank you for taking the time to do this video 👍
once again, Alan Moore proves what a class act he is. Not only the greatest comic writer in the universe, but brimming with integrity and dignity. Imagine the stories he could have written if DC hadnt fucked him over with Watchmen
Hi S.B. I agree totally.
Great overview of Marvel/Miracle Man. So good!
Great to see a new vid from you: production values keep getting better and better.
As of yesterday, Dynamite Entertainment announced they're bringing back Project Superpowers for its tenth anniversary; hopefully, we'll get to see a lot of the heroes featured on your channel like Green Lama, the original Daredevil, the Spider, et al.
Just found your channel. Really love the quality and knowledge of your videos. Please keep this going! You rule!
Top notch doc!.I just discovered some of the books at my library.I've heard of MM but never knew the history went so deep..Nice work!
Our across the fence neighbor kid's mom was from England, and she gave me s copy of Mick Anglo's original b&w Marvelman. In keeping with my love of off the wall comics, I treasured that thing for years, and since it was in b&w I wrote and drew some of my own!
Another fantanstically pro video! You are SO good! Thank you!
Awesome video. I absolutely love this channel.
Excellent video/post. I just found you yesterday, and have watched about 6 videos. Yours are top-notch, very engaging and enlightening productions. Congratulations!! Great voice and speaking-style, too (I might add).
Excellent video, thank you.
The captain Miracle and Miracle man thing i never hurt when another talk about Marvelman like moviebob or any another comic book youtube site good to Know dude
Awesome work as always my friend
Kid Miracle Man snapped in the most epic way..... The most chilling moment in comic history
That was such a great twist at the time.
Why has this got so few views? An excellent look into the character my friend and should be of interest to any comic geek that has an interest in the history, especially as it features such important names in comics. MM might be a deep cut for the modern reader, but are a great read.
Thanks Falconhoof! Well, to be fare the video has only been up for about a half hour.
oh, sorry dude, I didn't even see that. Excellent, hope you get the recognition you deserve:)
new to the channel, if that didn't show, but now subbed :)
A really good telling of the story. Congrats!
Dont stop. Rare gem content will grow your channel/base eventually...💪💪💪🔥🔥🔥
This video fills me with admiration for the tenacity and resoucefulness (not to mention the pluck and luck) of Marvelman's creator Mick Anglo. I'm reminded of the Anerican comic book artist who famously said, "Never draw what you can trace .. never trace what you can cut up and paste down." As a loyal fan of the original Captain Marvel, I'm delighted to learn about two new members of what I call "the broader Captain Marvel family" -- Anglo's Captain Miracle and Miracle Man. Or is it three? The copy of "Masterman Comcis" depicted early in the video appears to show a boy-to-adult-hero transformation similar to those of Captain Marvel and Marvelman. Can you tell us anything more about Masterman? Did Masterman Comics have any relationship with Fawcett's Master Comics (which featured Captain Marvel, jr. as its headliner)?
Hi Oliver! I read a little Masterman doing the research on this. I don't know much about what was going on behind the scene.
Big fan of eclipse comics, back in the day and was blown away by Moore's Miracle man series.
I checked out the older Marvel man stories when they got reprinted and they had that same goofy charm as the GA shazam stuff.
While it was nice that Gaiman's Golden Age arc of Miracle man finally got completed and collected, it's a shame that marvel has done nothing with MM past the reprints.
What an awesome video and so well put together with nonstop facts. Thanks for your work I can't wait to read the comic now. God Bless
It's always great to recieve a video from. This is magnificent
Hi Mettaton! Yeah, I'm pretty pleased with this one.
Thank you for a great video with so many details. I have the MM comics somewhere and never knew the complex history behind them.
awesome work to shine light on this topic,keep it up
This is a great series keep up the good work
I learned something! Thank you!
Thanks for posting...cool stuff
Great series. You obviously do your homework and I've enjoyed every episode. Excellent work.
Thanks Charles! I hope to get some new videos out soon!
Great video, I really enjoyed it. Keep up the good work.
"Mom can we buy Superman?"
"We have Superman at home"
Superman at home:
8:16 reason why Alan Davis is the most underrated artist of all time
Hi Deena! He's awesome! A lot of new comics could really use an artist of his caliber.
I can't believe we haven't seen new stories when Marvel got him 8 years ago!
Hi weldsj! Thanks for watching! I've heard they are waiting on Gaimon...but I don't know if that's true or not.
I read miracle man from 7, he used to be my favourite hero, I only realised he wasn't popular when I looked him up and found nothing
Young Nasty Man needs a movie.
I would have never guessed that Young Nastyman from Tenacious D's song "Wonderboy" was actually the world's most obscure reference. Rig-a-goo-goo, Rig-a-goo-goo.
I'm glad someone else realises that as well
A secret to be told!
Your channel is great. Lots of information I have never heard before and I have been following comics since 1957.
Thanks for watching Fred!!! Glad you enjoyed it!
Great vid man keep it up
you make the history of comics fun thank you
Thanks Tim!!!
in 1997 I was cleaning a attic out looking for old toys and I found over a 125 golden age comic books that is what got me into golden comics I love the cover art on wonder comics and many others and I just love to listen to the history that your telling thanks a lot
My favorite superhero of all time
Moore's MM should get the credit for deconstructing superhero comics more than Watchmen.
Miracleman is like a Foreshadow to Watchmen.
Smashing video
Apparently, all the legal issues haven't been ironed out because Marvel hasn't printed a new issue of the Miracleman comic in years.
Hi blackphoenix77! Yeah, from what I understand there's been all sorts of legal issues still ongoing over this character. Shame because I think a movie is really in order.
Great WORK man. From Greece here.
Hi Nick! Thanks for watching! I was in Germany with the U.S. Army for three years...never got a chance to visit Greece. Always wanted to go and see the Acropolis. I missed out seeing Greece, Austria, and Italy...that's something I regret.
Outstanding, ❤️
Thank You!
Very interesting video, really enjoyed it. As more of a 'casual' but very interested comic book fan (vintage TV and early computer games are more my thing), I found this a really interesting story of the characters complex development history, and expertly told. :)
Thank You PJ!
Wow! I didn’t know any of this. But I also don’t anything about Miracle Man, so this was very informative. I find the stories of the people and publishers behind comics more interesting than the current books being published these days.
Superhombreee !!! Go ! Go ! Go ! Ahhaha nice.... Crazy history man...
Very nice. I've always liked this character. I still the Eclipse issues from the 80's. Marvel is releasing a "Miracle Man" omnibus next month. I will be getting it.
I knew of course that Moore removed his name, I just never understood why. Thanks for the detailed explanation.
I've still got my dads old Miracleman Annual. A great read.
A great superhero for this series would be one called The Face.
Hi CoalDiamond-TheMagicRogue! Thanks for watching. I'm not familiar with The Face. I will have to look him up.
Greatest comic book of the 1980s!!!
Hi Sam! Thanks for watching. It makes my top five list. Why there isn't a movie in the works befuddles me.
That was a nice twist for an ending...
Credit to alan moore. At least he had some fucking honor to credit the original writer even through he didn't have to.
Nighthawk was a British comic book superhero with mechanical wings in 1931.
Hi hydrolito! I'm trying to find out more info on that character. He looks cool.
Great doc. Here's an idea for a closing speel. Catchalaterat the five and dime anytime. Or there's a long way down to Tipperary.
Hi rtB! Those are better than the ones I came up with.
You didn't mention the subplot where Gaiman was also suing Macfarlane over rights to Angela and Medieval Spawn.
You're alive!
Hi filozof! Yep, still kicking.
Alan Moore said he didn't care if the character had to be called "Mackeral Man" he would always think of him (retroactively) as MARVEL MAN!
Kimota!!!! Thank you!
You're Welcome!!!
Please consider a report on Super Comics, the steal 'em/deal 'em 1960's company that returned Plastic Man, Doll Man and the Spirit to the stands (albeit via unauthorized reprints).
"GAD-ZOOKS!!"
All I can say is 'KIMOTA!!!"
Captain Marvel wasn't a rip-off they just wanted to take out their competition. That should be illegal.
Hi Camel76, I agree. DC Comics was a scrapper in the bad old days. They went to war with a lot of publishers.
FizzFop1 It’s funny that Fawcett’s Captain Marvel was actually flying while Superman was still jumping around like a grasshopper, Superman starting flying around after Captain Marvel came about, so it’s not like DC was above doing their own copying and swiping back then.
Great videos! Your research is very thorough. Have you done blackhawk?
Hi Lance! I did a lot of research on Blackhawk while doing The Heap. The Heap made his first appearance in a Sky Wolf story. Sky Wolf was a total swipe of Blackhawk. It turned out that the creators of Skywolf had worked on Blackhawk the year before. Blackhawk is a character I really hadn't thought about...but he would make a good video...I believe he was the last movie serial produced.
I think Miracleman should get his own series on either Netflix or Amazon Prime. I think this character and story is too deep and too complex for the likes of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Not that they couldn’t do it. They certainly could, but I don’t think Disney would take the idea and concept seriously enough. Also, we need a Miracleman action figure. 🤔
I keep hoping they will do something with MM. His story is too good to pass by. Outside of Black Panther and the fictional country of Wakanda, All of the MCU has been based in the U.S. I think it would be very interesting to have a British character.
Excellent video, nothing to add to what most people have said so far.
Only one point of pedantry: chances are Alan Moore said he would have "given his eyeteeth", not his "eye and teeth". It's an old English expression - "eyetooth" is an old name for the cuspids or canines.
Hi Ben! Thanks for explaining that. I thought I had the direct quote in the script...I probably didn't read it right. My hillbilly background creeps up from time to time.
@@FizzFop1 Nah, you're all good. Unless you're particularly familiar with British expressions, there's no real reason you would've known.
Either way, video's still brill. Love me some Miracleman.
Holy crap, that lettering!
Good job with all the leg work on this one lol.
3:19 when in reality superman was more or less the actual copy
and DC did some really shady under the table shit to screw Cap. Marvel's publisher over.
90s comic hit and miss
Fascinating piece, marred only by misspelling Neil Gaiman's name on his credits page at the very end...
You got me again! Mistakes slip through from time to time no matter how many times I go over the video to make sure everything is correct.
We need a movie!
Hi Judy! Thanks for watching! I would love to see it!
Just discovered this channel. Really cool! Subscribed!
Marvelman being such a blatant unabashed Shazam rip off is pretty amusing for obvious historical reasons.
Thanks for subscribing Perry! It's pretty obvious. I wonder if that is some of the reasoning behind Marvel dragging their feet...although the magic word concept has been around long before Shazam (Original Captain Marvel).
I would love to see a video about E-Man, originally from Charlton/Modern Comics and passed from company to company like First comics, etc. I've always wondered why E-Man didn't go over to Marvel after they picked up Charlton's IP.
Hi darkonturas!!! E-Man is on my list for bronze age characters, but I think it was DC that picked up the Charlton characters. I noticed several Charlton characters did not make it over to DC...E-Man, Son of Vulcan, Fighting 5, and Gunmaster. I'm sure there's a few others that I missed. I have no idea how they didn't get them in the deal as well?
Awesome, more uk stuff pls, pref 2000 ad
I've only seen now that you've uploaded this video. I am glad to see you back! I will now have breakfast watching it. Also, have you heard of Project Superpowers returning as a series? Maybe some Golden Age heroes could rise and shine again.
Hi NIDELLANEUM! I'm always working on stuff--even when I'm not posting. Someone mentioned to me that Project Superpowers is coming back. Can't wait to see what they come up with. I've been gobbling up a lot of their previous books and tie-ins in the cheap bins at one of my local shops.
Cheap bins at a local shop. Well, I find it pleasing to buy comic books there, but maybe it's just that this is where I started buying comic books as a kid.
Speaking of Project Superpowers, I wonder if you'd talk about artists like Alex Ross who love paying constant tribute to the Golden Age like he does
You know, I have seriously thought about that. Interviews would be the next step in Lost Hero evolution. I wonder if someone like Alex Ross or if anyone else involved with Project Superpowers would be interested in doing a documentary style interview?
Mick Anglo created Marvelman in 1954 so well into the UK SILVER age of comics and certainly not the British Golden age.The UK suffered the Blitz but NOT a blitz krieg which is a totally different thing.
Hi Terry, Duly noted! I didn't really think about it when I making this video, but The Blitz and blitz krieg are two different things. Good call.
As a Brit and collector of British comics, I've always thought that, given the nature/format of the publications the idea of "Golden", "Silver" etc should be applied to the two types, i.e. comics and (American style) comic books. Anyway, many would regard the appearance of The Eagle comic in 1950, just a few years before Marvelman, as at least a Golden moment. I still remember my delight in reading the first issue having detoured on my cycle school route to get my hands on it - so different from the Beano, Dandy etc
Did I already post this here?
I used to subscribe to Warrior when it first came out ... from issue #1.
I don't know about the lawsuit with Eclipse going on back then.
All I know is when Marvelman Special No 1 hit is when the controversy and lawsuits started to happen.
The way I heard it, the stateside Marvel Comics didn't even know about Marvelman and that it was the British-branch of Marvel Comics went after "Marvelman" for causing confusion in the marketplace. Which was odd, seeing as the big Marvel Comics title published in England was called Rampage. If you look at the early covers of Rampage, you will see quite clearly something that doesn't stand out the word "Marvel". I'm not even seeing it on some of the books at all and others in small type and then later being made bigger on the front of the books (timing-wise with Marvelman? I'm unsure). I think I just remember seeing the ads for Rampage in Doctor Who weekly.... or maybe they were actually in Warrior as well? I can't remember. that was quite a while ago.
I wish we could see some new MM comics. The Sentry or Blue Marvel should have been MM.
I wanna see British Shazam get his own MCU Movie.
I do too. I think it would be BIG!