Review: ASP Talon DiscLoc baton (Airweight model)
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- Опубліковано 12 жов 2015
- ** Specifications **
Length closed: 21 cm (8.25 in)
Overall length open: 50 cm (19.7 in)
Weight: 324 g (11.4 oz)
Material: Aluminium, with some stainless steel parts
Handle: Foam covered
Price: 125 USD / 160 CAD
** Pros / Cons **
+ Quick to deploy, easy to collapse
+ Quality material, excellent fit & finish
+ Effective impact tool
- Price (good value for the money though)
** Verdict **
This is a very noticeable improvement over a $20-50 friction lock baton, with a better and more practical design as well as higher quality material and fit. It's easy to use but packs quite a punch.
Even the lightweight aluminium version is remarkably durable and held up to my abusive testing just fine. The steel version would be noticeably heavier but it would hit even harder, so might be worth considering.
Overall it's a very well made self-defense tool, easy to recommend.
** Where to get it **
In the USA:
www2.knifecenter.com/item/ASP2...
In Canada:
hoplitetacticalsupplies.com/s...
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My nephew had a baton. It was one of those cheap friction lock ones. Worked just fine, the one time he need to use it. He was walking his dog, and guy tried to rob him with a knife. He just hit the guy in the hand. The guy fell to the ground weeping. He talked about buying a better one. Thanks for the video.
Kiki Lang why did he need a better one that one seem to do the trick no?
@@mvrdamonxy7942 it was cheap and maybe bent after hitting something. Maybe he just wanted a real quality one in case he needed to use it again
"It is a noticeable difference when you strike with the tip, rather than further down".
-Skallagrim, 13/10/2015
So many things in weapon reviews can have a double meaning. It's beautiful.
yeah... some people prefer short, thick, bent blades to long thin straight ones.
think about that sentence for a while xD
+MJuegaES "At the beginning it can be a little stiff, but if you just play with it for awhile, it gets broken in very nicely."
+Golden Bird That preference is based on where and how deep you need to penetrate to hit the right spot };)
+Cara the Rat Edge alignment as just as important in bed as in war. :P
***** One day, someone's gonna throw a pommel at you for talking like that.
"Why are you carrying that weapon?"
If I get attacked or anything, it'd be easier to defend myself.
"Come with me, you're wielding a dangerous weapon with intent to harm."
The law in a nutshell. Protecting everyone, including criminals.
+Editorial The idea is that no one gets hurt
+Editorial This is why I love living in Alaska.
"Nice weapon. Bears?"
"Bears."
"That work?"
"Maybe, it is just a boar spear after all."
"Can't afford a gun?"
"You said it."
"Sorry mate."
Meep Changeling I wonder how big someone's balls have to be to confront a bear with an aluminium baton. O_O
+Editorial They'd have to be quite bloated to attempt such a thing.
Meep Changeling Like bees and wasps. Isn't nature beautiful?
that sound when he extends the thing is music to my ears. it like a reloading shotgun just awsome
I'm a security guard in Australia. Legally I am allowed to buy and carry a baton, but I am not allowed to use one, not even for self defense. Australian law is weird.
+Jesse Wrangell But, but, but. Australia has gun control. Why would you ever
need to defend yourself? >sarcasm.
+Winstonsees he would probably get sued, am I right?
+Jesse Wrangell So guns for you are like weed for us here in germany? We are allowed to consume it but buying, selling, growing and owning it is illegal.
+Jesse Wrangell You could just use it as a tool to discourage the attacker, and when he actually does come at you, drop the baton, and use your hands. In Hungary, pretty much every self defense tool is prohibited, knifes above 8cm blade, gas spray, etc, so I carry a 30cm long, thin taiwanese red oak baton, no police officer bats an eye about it, but ittakes away a gipsy's courage to rob me on the train. But again, in case it gets phisycal, I would have to ditch the baton, and use my fists, thankfully those are still legal, so does my martial art knowledge. And if the attacker pulls a knife on you, then baton away, since then its lawfull self defense.
+Jesse Wrangell Well mate its to avoid baton mass murders.
I was trained on the ASP baton. It is a great weapon. The older versions would often stick in the open position. We were instructed to hit the shoulder, the mound of the forearm or inside of the thigh above the knee. While it is a possibly deadly weapon it is intended to disable an attacker. Untrained people tend to strike at the head causing horrible injuries , that is why these weapons are restricted.
Thanks for this, mate. I've been wanting a good baton for a while now and I think this will be my first one. There's something so fluid and graceful about them; you feel more powerful with them in hand.
Hey Skall thanks for this review. I work security in Australia where you can only get assigned a firearm if you do Cash in Transit. For other work if your company allows it you can carry a collapsable baton so I was on the fence as to whether I the conveniant Disc Lock would be reliable over Friction (I would only buy ASP anyway) but this put my mind at ease. Great review and tests, for aluminum and a complex lock it holds up pretty well. I could trust this.
One of your best reviews.
Thanks!
Better not carry a fist for self-defense. Law enforcement might confiscate them.
EVERYONE has the right to get home safely.
Rutger MacDonald not in England😊
Oh dear. I guess the only recourse is to chop our arms off and send all of the rocks that can be used to kill to outer space! 😂
@MGTOW Sage yeah. My dad got jumped by 2 guys with intend to kill him. Broke his jaw. He took them down with his bare hands (military training) and had to pay for their hospital because apparently he's not allowed to defend himself against anything less that 5? People.
Hence why handcuffs were made 😂😂 /s
That Airweight DisLoc will last a long time. I carried both ASP and Monadnock Autolocks for 20 years. They are both built to last. I used mine more to bust out side windows in vehicles (mostly after car crashes) than as an impact weapon. A good telescoping baton and a good compact flashlight (like the SureFire 6P) are a must on every duty belt.
ASP is really right up there in terms of quality, they're like the Albion of batons. The cheaper models from S&W and others are meant as single-use defence implements - you use it once against an attacker, bend it out of shape and just buy a new one.
I'm a trained Escrima student and I bought a 21" Friction-loc baton for self-defense. There's definitely a noticeable difference in using a baton instead of a stick, but most of the techniques still work. The Talon seems like a really great upgrade, especially because the Friction-loc is very, Very, VERY hard to close. If you end up fighting someone on a loose floor you're not gonna be able to close it. My floors are made of plywood and I have to literally hammer the thing closed. Mineral oil does not seem to have helped. On the Talon though, the lengths are different. My Friction-loc is the mid-tier one, it's 21" expanded, ~7" closed. The Talon however, increases the retracted length and decreases the expanded length. 21" is already ridiculously short in my personal opinion. I don't see why ASP thinks that people can just put over 9 inches of stick in their pocket and carry that around. I'd get one for my bag perhaps, but either way I'd have to get used to the shorter length. But then again, we're not fighting wars, we're just defending ourselves, and in a real scrap I guess it doesn't matter too much especially if they're selling the SUPER short ones to people.
I carry one of these every day. I'm quite satisfied with mine.
As someone that lived in a pretty shady neighborhood in my early 20's, I am personally a pretty big fan of collapsible batons. Living in a city like New Westminster (BC) and just down the street from the skytrain station, you bump into A LOT of drug addicts and dealers at 5:30 AM on your way to work. Having something that is compact and intimidating like a collapsible baton is great peace of mind.
The mirror is intended for security and law enforcement to be able to search and see under automobile easier when looking for drugs or explosives.
It is not and was never intended to see around corners although in an urban environment while working with other teammates there could potentially be a use for it to check a hallway or room before entering depending on the situation and other contributing factors.
Hope this helps.
first thing i saw on this channel that may be useful to me good job skal
Damn. That tactical eject as the video starts was pretty boss.
Good Review Bud....thanks for sharing !!!! I remember when my fist's where solid as wood !!! Those were the days.....Big ThumbZ UP !!!
Question: I have one of the older friction lock ASPs from the 90's, and when ever I get attacked by ninjas, especially in reverse grip, I like to unscrew the end cap so I can end them rightly. Can you unscrew the end cap even though that's where the lock is housed?
"Well, officer, I heard there was a bonus for silent non-lethal takedowns."
Skal, if you're trying to disarm a knife, your best bet is to strike across the inside of the forearm on a diagonal. Breaking the arm bones is usually better for the assailant than breaking the hand bones, and going for the wrist is a bad idea. It can actually cause death if you strike the artery.
Good to see ASP got their act together. Based on accounts from police officers (and limited personal experience), the older ASP batons that all but dominated the market weren't actually *that* great. People assumed they were the greatest less-lethal impact weapon ever devised by man thanks to mistaking popularity for quality, but I've read more than a few anecdotes in which the older model ASPs failed to deter violent suspects. One in particular involved an officer striking a combative subject so many times that his ASP bent out of shape to the point of it becoming completely unusable... without stopping the attack. This is on top of the annoying closure involved in friction lock systems.
This baton looks to be a vast improvement. I've also heard great things about the Smartlock and Peacekeeper RCB.
Awesome stress testing! Great review.
Haha I love your reviews and jokes about the sensual attacker. Keep up your videos thanks!
"It´s very stiff at first but when you play with it lots it get´s broken down nicely" allright :D!
Your intros are getting better and better. Was it the first try? :)
Man I dig that sweater, you should say something every once and awhile. I wasn't aware of your merchandise.
I found your tests on this interesting, as a lot of people online insist that ALL of the airweight models are 'one strike only', and that even the steel ASP batons in general are fragile. It doesn't seem to me that you babied it at all, so I wonder how people destroyed theirs. Apparently LEO's often use theirs to get through windows, so there's that. I have an old steel Jeff Imada model that my dad bought in the eighties, and I almost picked up one of the longer Talons or a Bonowni.
+foolonthehill16807
I've seen a video of a guy smashing a massive concrete block with his baton... unsurprisingly it became bent. D'uh. :)
ASP also made a super cool custom Smith & Wesson 9mm handgun. It showed up in CoD: Black Ops and in a post-Fleming James Bond novel.
Greetings from America. I feel like I should point out something- in many places in the US, if you were to pull that thing out, many men would laugh and explain how they were going to stick it inside your rectal orifice. I would recommend at least a modicum of training with the instrument. Thanks for your videos, have been viewing for some time now. Take care.
Canadian police carry a version of the extendable baton. They switched over not too long ago (I recall seeing them in Resident evil 2 and being told that police use them). I'd be interested to see how they compare to the old model baton carried by police which was essentially a hardened rubber tonfa.
+Shawn McRoberts Hah, what's your definition of "not too long ago". My father got his expandable baton in 1998, and I know Calgary police have had them since before that. You're correct that they did carry a larger wooden baton previous to these, usually most departments had straight African blackwood batons without the 90 degree arm like many US departments had initially (the Tonfa type you refer to). They are larger and more effective than the expandable, just more of a PITA to carry around all day, big time.
'98 seems about right......I guess I'm one of those 90's kids who hasn't fully adjusted to the thought that the 90s were 2 decades ago and not one lol
+Shawn McRoberts My uncle was a Toronto copper. He wasn't too impressed with them. According to him, they were prone to malfunction if not carefully maintained, and they would sometimes fail to properly deploy in cold weather. According to him, the main reason they switched was that it was found that cops were prone to leaving the PR-24 side handle "tonfa" style batons that they were issued inside the cruiser, particularly when making a quick exit during an emergency call, or at calls where they didn't think they'd need it. Apparently, it's difficult to comfortably sit in a car seat with a tonfa baton stuck through a belt loop, causing the cops to take it out of the loop when sitting in the car.
Yep, pretty much what I've heard exactly - too hard to sit with in the car, and had to be removed from the carry ring every time the officer got in or out of their patrol vehicle, making it frequently "left behind" when exiting, and not there when it was needed. They were superior to the expandables in nearly every way than portability/comfort in the car.
In the beginning it can be a little stiff but if you play around with it a little bit, it gets broken in pretty nicely.
the ending is hilarious! gotta go full-baton-ninja path now! xD
I got one of the last 31 inch batons from ASP. It's fantastic.
ASP batons are pretty cool. I carried one when I was a cadet. I really wish they weren't so legally "weird" for carry in the States - it's funny, we can carry guns, knives, but batons? PSHHH
4:07 I think a thrust to the rips would hurt alot and stagger the attacker, so having the extra reach I think this is something you could use in self defense
8 years later. I now have you to thank for my war hammer and my baton
That was damn clean intro with the flip
Very nice and informative video, i love this channel
good review, keep up the good work
Excellent video as always Skall, Still no dislikes i'm really surprised haha
just a observation and a hint . in your swing on the blow lose hold whip like motion through the arm hold with thumb and first two fingers clenching fist a last moment to bring tip forward. this adds momentum it's the same principle as a hammer swing to drive a nail hard hold with no movement of hammer multiple swings to drive it in loose hold whip
one maybe two
For fellow Canadians, this is a post by a Calgary Police officer on a car forum I've frequented since 2004, "beyond.ca". HIs name is Phil - just to get some L/E uttered opinion and experience regarding carrying a baton out in public.
"This is all about context and totality of circumstances, as it usually is when you get into the weapon/non-weapon discussion. The ASP/Batons are all marketed as weapons for use in self defense situations by law enforcement professionals and the like. Yes, it does have a use as a "dog stick" which is what bylaw officers carry them for, but that in and of itself still constitutes it being a weapon...but they are also peace officers which means they have exemptions.
Although they are not illegal to possess, they certainly are in most circumstances illegal to carry around even if the are NOT CONCEALED. There are few reasonable arguments that can and have been made in court for carrying a baton around, other than for protection or commission of a criminal offense. it would definitley lead to some hassles if caught with one on your person, and likely charges if there were no reasonable explanation for having it while out in public. The courts have made the stance fairly clear on batons, and i my experience for the most part people that do carry them are doing so for the wrong reasons."
There have been cases in Alberta here already regarding batons, and charges laid and convictions gotten for guys who were carrying them who didn't say anything wrong - they did the whole "there is a dog on my route home that bites" thing, and they still got dinged. You can look it up in case law here. It obviously is officer discretion dependent, if you get charged or not carrying it, but you certainly are taking a risk, a legal one, by carrying one FOR ANY REASON in Canada, and that's a fact. Call your local police and ask if you want confirmation. Now do I like or agree with that - no. There is no reason a trained/sane person shouldn't be able to carry such a thing around, even if it IS just for defense from dogs, but the police are trained with a "no self defense" mentality for civilians, particularly the RCMP, and particularly with weapons. I should know, my father taught at Depot for years, and my brother and 2 cousins are officers with the RCMP right now.
A knife there is still a bit larger leeway for carrying, as it has uses such as food cutting, box opening, general utility, and such, where a baton using that excuse the judge/prosecutor will say "why didn't you buy a 10 dollar hammer instead" for using blunt impact/tool work type stuff.
Bottom line, be careful. The statement in this video at the start that "it's legal to carry around" is on the blacker side of the grey area at the very least, and again, there is precedent cases that went before the courts in Canada and one in BC specifically regarding carrying of expandable batons, any lawyer that does self defense will give you the goods on that one for an hourly rate charge for the asking, if you don't want to take the police's word for it if you call and ask them.
The punishments now for weapons thanks to recent political endeavors/law changes, are such that you may as well be carrying a pistol concealed as a baton if charged.
I've finally been able to find one of these. Or the steel version, to be exact. I bought it a couple days ago.
Lord JS how is the quality ?
@@hackerjamsandjustweggamer . It is very good.
I love that sound.
Also idk....1 quick trust and resetting the baton might aid in intimidation. Probably causing someone to not wanna mess with you.
Nice to see that they make button-closing batons.
Might you ever review a nightstick? (I.E. a baton that is always full length rather than a telescopic one, like the ones with the handles cops usually are portrayed with.
Very nice self-defense tool,
Awesome, think I'll get one. Thenks for the review :)
as someone who has training with the ASP I will say this. There is specific strike zones that you are only supposed to hit. The strike zones are above the elbow and above the knee. You can use it as a straight thrust to the sternum. In that case one blow is probably all you'll need. The following areas are NO GO zones. Head, spine and groin.
+Decay actually my training was provided by the Canadian Forces Military Police Academy!
Hey Skall, you should check out the RCB Peacekeeper. I'm guessing they'd be pretty much impossible to get in Canada though.
Did you nail that baton flip at the start or take 10? :D
I'm glad I live in country with the most briliant knifelaw (not-firearms law to be precise). WE DON'T HAVE ANY! And it works. No problem at all. Everything bad you can do with it is already illegal and other specific problems (carrying it to stadiums or protests, etc...) is solved systematically, without any "illegal blade shapes", "illegal opening mechanism", "illegal look" and things like that. We have no baton massacres, no threatening on the streets, nothing. Also, we don't have ridiculous arrests for carrying a thing few milimeters too long or for cutting the bread in the public area.
Czech Republic. We have also shall issue policy for carrying guns.
I don't need to carry a blade. I carry a CZ-75D PCR Compact. I could carry one for utility but I've got 15 rounds of 9mm Critical Duty for lethal force.
I wish my homeland of the Philippines had your country's sensibility.
Define irony: The Philippines is known for making Balisongs.
Our Laws prohibit Balisongs and "non utility" knives from being possessed/carried outside of your domicile. 😓
Hey skallagrim I saw this item that comes in a 60cm version, do you know where I can get that one? the linked website only has the 50cm type, the extra range if I ever had to use it would be helpful.
+zenopssmdk
yes it would.
I have an ASP P16, which is their compact lower cost friction lock baton.
Hardly any rattle at all when its fully locked.
But it is a PAIN to close it.
I would love to see a sword with this kind of construction sometime...I have been waiting for a sword construction like this since forever:-)....
Could you go over baton self-defense stances? Seems interesting. I'd appreciate if you made a video on it
I like how you emphasize the deterrent factor i.e. you whip that out and it's like, 'oh, maybe not this guy...' - but, also, it wouldn't take much in terms of actually using it to persuade someone it's not worth it
not worth messing with you, I mean
Thank you for helping me spend 160 dollars. lol. Excellent product and review.
Doesn't make a lot of sense to ban an extendable stick.
+Insederec Fox Weapon regulations don't need to make sense, they just need to play into the public's moronic emotions. Don't you feel safer now?
Bram van Veenschoten I feel safe knowing if I were in Canada there at least wouldn't be any men with sticks.
+Insederec Fox Some bans are stupid. Some aren't. If it is a 100% ban (as in, no one can legally own one), then it is almost always stupid. If it is a ban against not having a licence, then that is perfectly reasonable. I don't know which it is in foreign countries though.
+Insederec Fox In countries like Australia and Canada, there isn't nearly as much need for self defence as much the USA, crime is fairly low. I think, thusly, the reasoning behind banning weapons is just that, well unless there's a need for the weapons, we just, well don't need them. Most people you'll talk to here know that if you avoid dangerous suburbs and train stations at night you're all good. As an Australian who was raised near the most violent suburbs in the country, I've grown up with the fear of getting attacked and honestly despite that statistic, still isn't nearly as bad as for example, Detroit or London. Street smarts is valued far more than weapon bans.
+Insederec Fox Ban assault batons now.
That ban on spring-powered extension batons seems incredibly arbitrary given how fast you can extend a non-spring with a swing. Wouldn't want to accidentally poke someone when you can accidentally smack them.
I would advise anyone who has one of these awesome SD devises to train with it extensively and with a sparring partner who would try and disarm them so they could have counter moves to avoid unwanted results. I think his knife is getting him off more than the wall, but then again we can't see if anything is sticking out from it either!
Have you ever seen the double extending batons that are basically extendible Bo Staffs? I kinda want one.
Hey man the canadian website to order that baton is non existent. Is there around that? or another website in canada?
Canada was a fun place to visit, but the more I hear about their laws the more I'm glad to be from 'Murica. I actually felt kinda naked while I was up there because of that whole not having any sort of sidearm thing.
Hey skall, i dont know if youve done a video on this topic but i was wondering if you could do a video listing some good training swords? thanks
I did the research, everything pointed to ASP Talon.....Wrong, after buying both. Bonowi-hands down. And yrs Im in Canada too. Its not illegal, just be smart. Its not a toy. But It is a sweet piece of equipment.
This is agreat video.
How about integrating an unextended baton with Yawara Stick striking methods if you don't want to call immediate attention that you're holding a long fighting tool? Keeping it hidden at first without extending the baton then striking with either front or butt end might cause surprise, plus you can always extend the baton anytime afterward.
I have wanted one of these ever since Watchdogs.
Why is self defense illegal in canada?
Because the sissy liberals run the country and they want to protect criminals more than law-abiding civilians. You can't even carry a gun in this country
when you started youtube, how many times did you hit your camera swinging your weapons?
good review
Hi skall. I live in bc canada and I've heard that it's illegal for security guards to carry batons. So I thought the bc law didn't allow batons for civilians either. Do you know anything about that?
Nice baton. I have the friction lock steel ASP one and yeah its a PITA to retract
But its kick ass as well
how many times did Skall practice that opening, I wonder??
I'm a security guard in Switzerland. With a carry permit I am allowed to carry and use a baton for self defense and/or defense of other people, in the exact same way as with a firearm, but only when working in my job.
Privately / "off duty" I'm not allowed to carry it and it would be hard to get a permit to buy one as a private person.
What source do you use when you go to research the legal matters of weapons in your videos? Question for anyone who has a reliable one, particularly for Canada
Could you make a review with the collapsible Bo staff at karatemart?
Hey Skall, so I was looking forward for a video like this because I wanted to buy a collapsible baton, I guess I found an option right now, but I live in Ecuador, so I'll have to wait.
Also, do you have a recommendation as far as karambit combat knives go? (sorry for the bad english, it's not my first language ) thanks!
Be good to see a comparison review of the Talon with the Monadnock Autolock.
I wish I could afford that right now :( Maybe I'll ask for one for my birthday in a few days. Cause I love things like this. I have two swords and several other bladed items, but I've always wanted a baton. A quality one would be nice.
Yes but what do you say if they catch you with one. "Its not for self defence, its for....arm...cosplay?" I mean, I can justify a knife with "I eat outside, I use it for fruit(which is true)" and I can even prove this, but a baton?
Pretty cool tho.
+Carmen Cruz I guess, for a general rule, you could always tell the officer it's for masturbation and roleplaying and you would be totally honest in most cases. xD
technically what they want you to say is that its for defense against animals. so yeah, though id still say its for sexy fun times ;)
Matt Quinn I love this, I live in Spain and have seen snow/ice twice in my life.
“Officer, its for the snow, and to break the ice on the windshield”
“What snow, its 40C here!”
Woops, *whacks the officer with the baton*
Ok, I have officially being quarantined too long and are loosing my mind
You said we r allowed to carry ASP to defend against animals in Canada. Gr8!!
@Skall - what is your opinion about Coldsteel swords/products? do you think they are worth the money to buy? I'm thinking of buying one of their Grosse Messer swords and as you like Albions "Big Knife" what do you think of Coldsteels cheaper alternative?
handy to carry.... but I still prefer something shaped like a tonfa, even if it's not collapsible, for the very simple reason that even though this seems to be of excellent quality, as you pointed out, it's kind of a gamble as to whatever else is on the market. though I have seen a more flexible one on the market (where the extension pieces of the baton are made from a more flexible material) that was able to break someone's wrist quite effectively. Even so, tonfas for me :P
I lost it at 8:08 "Sensual Knife Attacker" sounds like the name of an anime.
Hey Skall I'm interested in daggers.
Would you mind making a review about your favorite dagger?
where can i get in uk?
any sites/stores?
I am new to your channel, but have you done a video about how realistic glass and ceramic swords are? From what I've seen, most people tend to explain it as they are sharp enough that they cut straight through an object, so there is no significant impact on the blade, but surely an impact still has to be made in order to cut it, so are they just swung really lightly? Also, is it even possible for a blade made of anything to be that sharp, and if it is, how come they're not more common?
best baton you can by is a bonowi baton no question about it it's about 250 in us but worth the money super strong .
You should have also tried to bend it. I can't help but wonder if these kind of telescopic batons are pratical for arm locks and other controls.
What is your opinion on cane fighting?
Are these the ones on dhgate any good the asp 511
I don't get how the mechanism works. Are the tubes just supported by friction?
hi! you do have one of the best hd web camera ever! :) which one did you have? thanks! :)
I'd love to hear the reasoning behind an automatic release somehow rendering an extendable stick so dangerous it has to be banned.
Hey Skallagrim,
I work in a store that sells batons, among other things. We only sell batons to law enforcement and security personnel with documentation of baton training, and we carry very low stock. Not only are we covering our own butts by making sure questionable folk don't tarnish our reputation, but we also protect our customers by making sure anyone who buys one is qualified and has legal purpose for carrying a baton.
Other retailers may be uneager to sell batons simply because there is little market for them, and they don't want to be "the store the criminal stocked up at". Additionally, it's possible overall demand is low due to a misconception that extendable batons are illegal.
There's no real point to this beyond offering perspective on why batons may not be widely available.
On a side note: I believe that training is the most important weapon. Self defense tools simply augment knowledge and experience, but otherwise do little more than impede and give false confidence to those who do not learn to use them.
hey skall, do you think the mechanism will hold up to abuse long term? like, will it break and make it difficult to keep the baton open?
this is why I am glad I live in the US. Yay legal carry
Is this baton allowed to carry in quebec?