Showing your Felder slider with a suit on, I love it! Awesome shop, I love how clean and bright everything is. I bet it's much easier to focus on the task at hand! Great video.
Very helpful review and a most unusual video in a few ways - firstly there is not one speck of sawdust evident anywhere - secondly the woodworker is wearing a suit and thirdly the presentation is delivered with a speaking voice a Hollywood actor would pay good money for! Bravo I say and off I go to Felder!
Laughing so hard. You made my day. I usually keep my shop clean but for this video I made it extra clean. The suit was a joke cause I never wear a suit. I wear the suit to see if it would generate comments. Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦
Nice saw.. your demo makes it shine! Almost bought the same saw but settled for a Hammer C3-31 combo instead (smaller shop) but now that I have a bigger workshop, and after watching your video, I wish I had ...Keep up the good demos
Love it, just purchased the K700S with Eric, with the 49” rip fence and the premium 1500 crosscut table!!! Awesome video, it definitely helped me make up my mind! I was going to get the Maksiwa to save money, but Felder customer service won me over!!!! Thanks
Wow! I haven’t seen you in that suit since you got married. Gilbert, you have a very nice piece of equipment! This will permit you to do your work a lot more easier! Congratulations!
You and that saw take it to a very high level. The suit is a nice touch :-) Such a clean and beautiful garage. FYI, I have been to Noelville many times
@@frenchriversprings Los Angeles for last 30+ years, but grew up in Sudbury. My parents had a camp by the beausejour and my stepfather Vic Lamarre had one across rainbow camp, small world
Felder make one hell of a machine, the options and accessory's are all available for those that just want to buy the shop made solution and have the means to do so. It looks well built enough, and certainly has advantages over the typical table saw. The downside outside the investment if there is one, is this beast eats a lot of floor space, and being a more complicated machine will require some upkeep above and beyond the alternative. You never have your hands near the blade, that's the best feature.
Thank you for posting this video. I am currently in the market for a new saw and I was considering either the Sawstop or the Felder. You make some excellent points for the Felder. I spoke with the representative today and am going through the options I want. Thanks again for all your insights!
As I sit here watching this video, a man in a suit normally does not get my attention. But you did. Your knowledge of what you own is very impressive. A man that uses his "tools" knows his "tools. Getting ready to build my wood shop, 30' x 40'. Yes, running Felder. Was looking at the K700s as the saw for my shop. Along with a few other Felder items. A few questions if, I might? 1.) The dust collections system you are using, who made it? 2.) The power supply, I'm assuming it's 240v, single phase? 3.) What was the wait time on your Felder products? 4.) How did you get it home? 5.) What did you get the F & F jig setup? Thank you kindly. consider me a subscriber. ScottishxPride, Tx.
ua-cam.com/video/aoAPVQ2sqMc/v-deo.html See my video how I made my F and F jig. Dust collection Nord Fab Yes 240v single phase 30 Amp They had the saw in stock so no wait time Felder made all the arrangements for delivery then the next day they send the technician over to set up the saw. My shop is also 30’ X 40’ Thank You for the compliment. I almost never wear a suit. Just did that to generate comments. Lol Good luck
Very nice video, I was never taught all the tricks but over time I learned a lot myself and many are similar to how you work. Felder make great machines. And btw, I make my own accessories when needed. =)
One very important spec for the 700 vs. the 500 is the trunnion that compensates for length of cut with changing tilt of the blade. 500 does not have this feature (a simpler trunnion). I chose to get the servo motored tilt and raise of the blade. This feature makes your thought process quicker to arrive at blade changes and when in the middle of several different measures it can speed up your process remarkably. When doing a bust cut where you have wood on the table and want to raise the blade for a stop cut; the servo assist allows you to hold the wood and push the slider and check your progress all at the same time. When cutting a 4' X 8' piece of ply the servo assist allows you to do it with simple action. You can take the blade cut below the table and whirl the wood without taking the 4 X 8 off of the table when you have servo assist. To me it is the difference between a manual transmission vs. automatic in a car. I worked at one larger shop briefly and they had three SawStop saws and my opinion was that saw was an antique concept with a finger sensor. The saw guard was impossible to see around and without that slider one operator could not do larger rips with accuracy. Keep greasing the fittings on schedule if that saw has them.
I use my rip fence both for ripping and as a stop. When I first got my saw, I didn't use the rip fence for ripping at all. But it's still the better choice for parallel ripping lumber, especially lumber too long to fit on the sliding table (my table is shorter, around 6' capacity). My tiny shop has enough room for me to process lumber up to 7' long, so I use the rip fence for that. Your comments about it not taking up much more room than a cabinet saw are right on. I need the space in front/behind, but when the table is parked, it doesn't take up much room at all. I also have that parallel rip guide, but I just don't have clearance in my shop to use it. If I had that, I may not use the regular rip fence as much. You can move that support table anywhere along the sliding table, but the support arm won't go with it the full distance. Your F&F jig is nice. I ended up buying the (overpriced) one through Felder, only because there was no other way to get those clamps it comes with. I really like those clamps. The more powerful cam clamps get super rusty in my shop. Limitations: things like tenoning jigs are more of a challenge on the slider. The fence is different, and there are no miter slots on the cast iron. That's not something I normally do, though. BTW, I talked to my rep. I think I'm going to order one of those diamond blades. I still can't believe the finish coming off that. The only thing they mentioned is, unlike carbide, they can't sharpen those locally; they have to go back to Austria for sharpening. Thanks again for making me aware of that blade!
good video, love the suit. i have a Martin slider, and i wouldn't trade it for anything. if you want a nice upgrade, look to Mac Campshire's pneumatic clamps - makes a world of difference and well worth the money.
Thank you. Yes I heard good things about the Martin slider. And I heard about the Mac clamp. This guy on UA-cam called Steve I think he has the Mac clamp
Now that was a complete explanation of your saw Gilbert, It is a beautiful piece of equipment and it fits you to a T. Has a lot to do with preset ion and the ease of producing a finish and perfect product in the end.... Well done and by the way.... The suit make this a professional video I think, like you father said.....he had only seen you with a dress up like that, on your wedding day.....well done.....CHEERS
Never seen a tool review in a business suit before, well done. First time viewing your channel I will be back. From your accent I would guess you're from the Maritimes?
Ne again, did you opt for a scoring unit? If not, did you regret it? Your blade seems to be a nice cut without! What motor did you choose? Standard 4kw? Would you upgrade? Finally did you get Dado Option? Thank you so much!
Amazing video thank you for this, I’m most likely going to be getting the K700 as I don’t usually rip sheets bigger than the 4x8 plywood. Can you give us some info on the power requirements for this saw? Thanks again
Great shop and review! I noticed you have the jointer/planer combo in which i‘m interested in. Is the Manual crank for the thicknessplaner alright or did you regret not going for the motorized version? Greetings
@@frenchriversprings Thx for your help! I have another question if you don’t mind. Do you have the standard motor? 400v and 3kw? Did you ever need more? Do you know the biggest size blade which will still retract completely under the table? Also you have the fixed 4800rpm? Thx so much! Franz
Wow, you clean up nice Gilbert, lol.. Man, what a nice system.. Been looking forward to this review.. Learned alot.. So many cool features. I was wondering if you would stop using the miter saw, but didnt think you would sell it, lol. That speaks to the versatility of this sliding table saw.. Thanks for taking the time to do this.. Cant wait to see what you make next !
Great review! I keep my eyes open for a used sawstop or a small Euro slider. I have not seen one up close yet but from videos like yours I can see how a Euro slider is more accurate, repeatable, safe than a traditional cabinet saw. I own an old General cabinet saw and I am always using push sticks and jigs to get the job done.
I like the video, the workshop and the way you presented the Felder sliding saw in suit like a prime minister👍😬 Would you please explain more why you sold your miter saw? wouldn't be more handy than this saw in miter angles?
in germany/europe, Felder is sometimes regarded as a „second class“ brand, while first class would be Martin and Altendorf. Felder is more common in carpentry shops (guys who build houses), while Altendorf and Martin are used by furniture makers/joiners because of their crazy accuracy and comfort features. but compared to those little „cabinet saws“ like Sawstop etc, Felder is VASTLY superior and very high quality
@@tundrawhisperer4821 I have never seen a SCM machine up close, but simply going by the prices of those machines, they seem to be very high quality as well. I also see a lot of older SCM machines being sold for good money as well, so they seem to hold up over time just as Altendorf etc.
New Sub :) I switched from my PM66 to the KF700SP 5 or 6 years ago and will attest that everything you said is 100% true. Love this thing. Also: like your little “garage box” in the slider - have to do that. You know that you can rotate the rip fence 90 deg for a lower profile, right? Still works great as a stop; doesn’t get in the way of the dust collector hood as much. Triple-check the alignment of your riving knife with your blade. Even a few thou off can push panels away from the CC fence and take them slightly out of square. Brass shim stock is the only way to correct but worth it if you’re out.
Hello, nice video. Thank you Question, I like to do mortise and tenon joinery, is the machine able to make tenon’s. Currently I use a Delta tenon jig ?
Felder saw is one of the best but Altendorf and Martin are perhaps even better quality than Felder. I think Martin and Altendorf only come in 3 stage though.
Del pal I love my general 350. From new in 2005, it’s been amazing. Nothing been done to it. That’s a testament to the quality. And my shop is going everyday most of the time.
Hello, thanks for sharing, this is such a useful and functional sliding table saw. I'm setting up my workshop in Saskatoon and wish to get one like this. Can I get I for on how to get one like this. Thanks.
Well I did it! I joined the “Felder family”. My new K 700 S has been officially ordered and will be here in October! I’m pretty damn excited! Went full power automation and digital on everything, but the rip fence. Wanted to ask you when your standing in front of the saw, just below the rip fence sliding bar, is there an area to slip a pallet jack under the machine? How did you move it around to set it in the location you have yours in now? Thank You.
So excited for you. Congratulations! Yes there is a place to put a pallet jack but it has to be a narrow one. I used my farm tractor with the forks. My tractor barely fit tru the garage door.
@@frenchriversprings ah okay, narrow set then. Any chance, when you have time, could you tell me what that measurement spread is under the saw. That would be much appreciated! Thx
I knew this guy was not a real wood worker because he does not have a Tie. 😂 lol. Thanks for the review. The sad fact that all American tablesaws are made in China or Taiwan leaves a bad taste in my mouth from wanting to purchase one. But this Felder has sparked my interest in owning a sliding European table saw.
I don’t think it’s worth the money. So easy to lift and tilt the blade. Unless I had to tilt the blade 20 times a day then maybe. Also it’s another thing that can break. The technician told me that my saw is the one that almost never break down. The only thing that usually needs to be replaced is the computer for the blade brake. Needs to be changed every six years under heavy use. The only thing I wish I could get for my saw is the micro adjust on the cross cut fence. I do have it on the ripping fence thought.
Thanks for the reply. I was thinking the exact thing just something expensive that will break. I’m currently cutting twenty plus sheets a day with a track saw and cabinet saw. I’m very ready for the upgrade. As far as sheet good and heavy panels does the saw handle it well? Is there any opinions you wish you had gotten in hindsight? Thanks
Yes it handles the sheet well. Very happy with my saw. The only thing I suggest is getting that extra table that hooks up to the side of the sliding table. Also comes with the ruler. Really nice to rip long peices of plywood and keep the exact width each end. Ya Before my K700S I did same as you. Track saw and cabinet saw. You will be able to double your production easy and more accurate.
@@frenchriversprings Thanks for the information. One other question, how tall is the blade guard at the extreme right hand edge of the saw? I was going to place it with the right side against a wall but I have some upper cabinets there now. Need to know if I should plan to raise those cabinets.
Could you measure one more thing for me? On that saw, it’s possible to pick it up with a pallet jack by sliding the jack under the saw body from the end. What’s the width of that opening? Wondering if a regular pallet jack will do it or if a narrow jack is needed.
I have exactly the same saw in the UK you seem a nice person but you don’t use the saw to it’s full potential, you certainly do not need those Kreg attachments you can do everything either off the cross cut fence or the ripping fence. Have a look at how these table saws are used in Europe, once you get used to it you will find it’s far quicker to process panels the way it’s intended to be used. I have the table saw, planer thicknesser, spindle moulded Bandsaw and dust extraction unit all by Felder, yes there expensive but they are top of the range and a joy to use. Note never seen a bloke in a suit on a table saw, unless he was a rep stay safe and enjoy that lovely machine.
I'm not sure if you have three phase power so this may be a mute point but if your saw is single phase it is really important to hold the start button down for about three seconds before releasing to let the saw get to full speed. If you just hit the button when you start it you will be putting a new capacitor in it about every six months. If it is a three phase saw I don't believe this is an issue.
I’m curious why you don’t have three control buttons on the back of the carriage bed? Felder has two green buttons, one for main blade, one for scorer blade, and red button for off. And so this is what they call the 3200mm sliding table? When you want to slide the outrigger table down the slider bed, can you leave the cross cut fence in place while sliding it down? Thx
@@frenchriversprings okay, then they have reconfigured how they power the two blades now. The sales person sent me a picture describing now the end carriage has a three button set up now, and no need to flip a switch at the main base of the machine. I’m getting my pricing dialed in now. Do you think you’ll do a comparison video, overhead guard versus no guard? Thx
I bought a MiniMax si315 elite s and it does everything that Felder can do for half the price. Plus I didn't need a technician to come put it together, I did everything myself and more. I even made improvements to the saw better than what MiniMax did. I and a electronic friend installed on/off switch on the end of the slider like yours , works great. I love mine! .Also I do have a new cabinet table saw that is great for cutting small pieces of wood, and I still use a festool miter saw. I like how clean your workshop is and the painted floor, same as mine, your a clean woodworker I like that. Very nice shop you have.
So many of those elements are much better on the Altendorf, like moving the crosscut fence forwards which takes half the time. Trouble is that it is much more expensive. And good luck keeping those slide table rollers clean
Does your Felder slider run on a single phase 230v? If so, then you have a 30 amp breaker, right? When you start the machine up, is there any hesitation to it at all or is it pretty much instant start up of the blade? Also, when not using the saw and you want to lock it in the center position of the saw unit, is this locked position pretty much sitting center of the blade or center of the 6’ body section of the slider support frame? Thank You
Not center of blade but center of body. 30 Amp single phase. The saw pretty much starts instantly. When you push the green start button, you have to keep it pushed for 1 sec or so. My dust collector takes a little longer. About 4 sec
@@frenchriversprings with these sliders being such versatile machines, where you can crosscut and rip various materials, which blade brand/model are you running as your everyday blade? Thx
I only use my diamond blade. Does a beautiful job on any sheet goods and crosscut and rip cut 2 inch thick hard maple like butter. But I did pay $700 for the blade. I did make a video on it.
Now I understand why you don't need the Format 4 with the PCS system. Safety is built in since you never need to get close to the blade. Spotted your benchtop drill press in the background. Since you prefer quality tools, have you had a look at the Nova Voyager by Teknatools? Sold in Canada by King. If you consider it I would suggest the Voyager over the Viking.
hello great video thank you very much for your time, I wish I could have the help of the cabinetmaker community, I am undecided between a SCM si nova 400 and the Felder k 700S for my new workshop. I have the experience of having worked with the SCM si nova 400 for 2.5 years and with the format4 for 1.5 years, but I have never seen a k 700S. Thanks to everything and prosperity.
Having had a Felder 714 combination machine I can vouch for their build quality. But I have to take issue with his describing the dial option on the height adjustment, he only told half the benefit. Those adjustment wheels ALL have the same thread pitch and one complete revolution is 2mm, so if you need to adjust height by say 7mm, you just rotate dial 3 1/2 revolutions, saves so much time. If you require absolute precision you can eyeball the pointer between the smallest lines to achieve an accuracy of 1/100 mm. Of course being wood, it won't stay at that!!
Could you tell me the overall width of this saw from left to right? So furthest point of outrigger fence to the other side. I need to check my shop space again.
Download the Felder Big catalog from the Felder USA site. They have floor footprints for each saw in there. Note that you have lots of options for configuring these, and some of those change the footprint. You don't just buy a K700S. You need to pick the size for various fences, rip fence, table capacity, etc.
@@Psychlist1972 I went back into their site, but no luck with any footprint drawings outlining dimensions. I’ll need to contact the sales rep I was talking to a while back. What outrigger table did you go with, 1300 or 1500? Can you use your own dado blades or do you have to buy a Felder made dado set? Also, did you pay for an on site tech set up service? Thx
@@tundrawhisperer4821 Like I said, it's in their big catalog. In the case of the USA site, you go to their e-shop and then the catalogs are in the left-side nav bar. You can use any dado set that has the Felder bore in the middle. I chose to use the Felder grooving set. You can't use regular US ones unless you get them rebored. My outrigger sits in the corner of my shop because I don't have room for it. It's the 1300, IIRC. Instead, I use a shorter fence and a support at the other end of the table. This is specifically because of the room available in my shop. I didn't have any on-site support. I assembled it myself. It was well-configured from the factory.
That a series piece of kit, would of thought the blade adjusting wheel would of been automated with a digital measuring reader, but I guess if it was perfect then there would never be a reason to upgrade.
@@frenchriversprings actually, now I think I remember my sales lady that I working with at Felder say, you get the heavy duty Format 4 cross cut fence when you order the digital flip stops. I’m getting closer to putting my deposit down on this same K 700 S. Your feed back and review videos have been incredibly helpful for me. Thank you very much for doing these!
Your welcome. Yes I asked about buying the digital flip stop and the salesperson said I could not get it for my saw. But then said if I wanted it I would have to buy the format 4 crosscut assembly and the whole thing would cost me about 6k. I found a company that sells the digital flip stop for my saw. It’s called the dro flipstop sold by lamb tool works. $1200 USD. It looks very nice but does not have the micro adjust like the one on the format 4.
@@frenchriversprings wow, it is expensive to live in Canada! I have two options for digital flips stops. I can get one for now with the heavy duty fence for $1,640. And upgrade to a second, right handed flip stop later. Which gets you even closer to the blade. Or I can order two digital flips stops for $2,490. I’m going to opt for the one flips stop for now, and get a right handed one later. I ended up getting the Power Drive set up as well with height and angle movements. My build is coming in at $16,840
I will have to talk to my salesman. Maybe he tough that I have to buy the whole carriage and sliding table and not just the fence. In Canada it usually cost 35% more than in the USA
Glad my video helped you. So hard to find UA-cam videos on sliding table saws. It blows me away when I see a UA-cam that has 200k of equipment in there shop and they don’t even have a sliding table saw. In my opinion it’s the most important tool.
Having problems with my machine. It was running great for about a year. Recently it has been shutting off after about 10 minutes of use! Anyone experiencing this issue!?
@@frenchriversprings I'm still watching your review, I priced the K500 pro out already and I think this is driving me home!!! Great informative video, thanks!!!!
Awesome!! Let me know what you end up buying. I will upload another video tonight or tomorrow and I cut a massive 2” thick hard maple Island top with my felder.
It appears you're a one-man shop - how do you justify the exorbitant cost of something so industrial-grade when you are likely the bottleneck in production speeds? It would make sense if you have employees and can keep the saw running for 12 hours a day straight...because as you surely know, it's not making money unless its running. I make no assumptions about your business but I would imagine that it will take a lot of jobs to recoup the cost of that slider.
Yes I’m a one man shop. Another reason to get that saw. It increases my productivity drastically. I’m getting pretty busy so the saw should pay for itself in 18 months I think
I'm British, and our health and safety would say wearing a tie in a workshop is a hazard... Colin Furze has this problem solved already with the safety tie
Showing your Felder slider with a suit on, I love it! Awesome shop, I love how clean and bright everything is. I bet it's much easier to focus on the task at hand! Great video.
Very helpful review and a most unusual video in a few ways - firstly there is not one speck of sawdust evident anywhere - secondly the woodworker is wearing a suit and thirdly the presentation is delivered with a speaking voice a Hollywood actor would pay good money for! Bravo I say and off I go to Felder!
Laughing so hard. You made my day. I usually keep my shop clean but for this video I made it extra clean. The suit was a joke cause I never wear a suit. I wear the suit to see if it would generate comments.
Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦
Nice saw.. your demo makes it shine! Almost bought the same saw but settled for a Hammer C3-31 combo instead (smaller shop) but now that I have a bigger workshop, and after watching your video, I wish I had ...Keep up the good demos
Love it, just purchased the K700S with Eric, with the 49” rip fence and the premium 1500 crosscut table!!! Awesome video, it definitely helped me make up my mind! I was going to get the Maksiwa to save money, but Felder customer service won me over!!!! Thanks
Awesome! Congratulations!!
Wow! I haven’t seen you in that suit since you got married.
Gilbert, you have a very nice piece of equipment! This will permit you to do your work a lot more easier!
Congratulations!
Thank you
Shiny floor, nice suit. Awesome saw. And a lovely workshop. Nice.
You and that saw take it to a very high level. The suit is a nice touch :-) Such a clean and beautiful garage. FYI, I have been to Noelville many times
Thanks. Where do you live?
@@frenchriversprings Los Angeles for last 30+ years, but grew up in Sudbury. My parents had a camp by the beausejour and my stepfather Vic Lamarre had one across rainbow camp, small world
Yes small world for sure
Felder make one hell of a machine, the options and accessory's are all available for those that just want to buy the shop made solution and have the means to do so. It looks well built enough, and certainly has advantages over the typical table saw. The downside outside the investment if there is one, is this beast eats a lot of floor space, and being a more complicated machine will require some upkeep above and beyond the alternative. You never have your hands near the blade, that's the best feature.
Thank you for posting this video. I am currently in the market for a new saw and I was considering either the Sawstop or the Felder. You make some excellent points for the Felder. I spoke with the representative today and am going through the options I want. Thanks again for all your insights!
I doubled my production with my Felder. I hear the Altendorf and the Martin are also excellent saws
I love using this style of saw, especially since I built Fitz n Floyd jigs.
I have seen some people mounting a cross laser on the celling to indicate where the cut goes on a length of the sliding table.
Wow that’s a great idea. Especially when you have a lot of lumber that you have to rip a straight edge.
Great review on such high quality machinery. Very clean looking shop too!
Thank You for your comment. I like a clean shop. A lot more enjoyable to work in.
As I sit here watching this video, a man in a suit normally does not get my attention. But you did. Your knowledge of what you own is very impressive. A man that uses his "tools" knows his "tools.
Getting ready to build my wood shop, 30' x 40'. Yes, running Felder. Was looking at the K700s as the saw for my shop. Along with a few other Felder items. A few questions if, I might?
1.) The dust collections system you are using, who made it?
2.) The power supply, I'm assuming it's 240v, single phase?
3.) What was the wait time on your Felder products?
4.) How did you get it home?
5.) What did you get the F & F jig setup?
Thank you kindly. consider me a subscriber.
ScottishxPride, Tx.
ua-cam.com/video/aoAPVQ2sqMc/v-deo.html
See my video how I made my F and F jig.
Dust collection Nord Fab
Yes 240v single phase 30 Amp
They had the saw in stock so no wait time
Felder made all the arrangements for delivery then the next day they send the technician over to set up the saw.
My shop is also 30’ X 40’
Thank You for the compliment. I almost never wear a suit. Just did that to generate comments. Lol
Good luck
Your video made me think about a Felder K700S instead of purchasing a cnc with so much maintenance. Thank you so much ... Greetings from Sri lanka.
Thank You. Yes the Felder takes a bit of time to calibrate it perfectly but after that very little maintenance for sure.
Very nice video, I was never taught all the tricks but over time I learned a lot myself and many are similar to how you work. Felder make great machines. And btw, I make my own accessories when needed. =)
Great video. Have mine on order. Went with the power drive and cnc fence. Can’t wait for it to get here.
One very important spec for the 700 vs. the 500 is the trunnion that compensates for length of cut with changing tilt of the blade. 500 does not have this feature (a simpler trunnion).
I chose to get the servo motored tilt and raise of the blade. This feature makes your thought process quicker to arrive at blade changes and when in the middle of several different measures
it can speed up your process remarkably. When doing a bust cut where you have wood on the table and want to raise the blade for a stop cut; the servo assist allows you to hold the wood and push the slider and check your progress all at the same time. When cutting a 4' X 8' piece of ply the servo assist allows you to do it with simple action. You can take the blade cut below the table and whirl the wood without taking the 4 X 8 off of the table when you have servo assist. To me it is the difference between a manual transmission vs. automatic in a car.
I worked at one larger shop briefly and they had three SawStop saws and my opinion was that saw was an antique concept with a finger sensor. The saw guard was impossible to see around and without that slider one operator could not do larger rips with accuracy. Keep greasing the fittings on schedule if that saw has them.
Very well said. No grease fittings on my saw
I use my rip fence both for ripping and as a stop. When I first got my saw, I didn't use the rip fence for ripping at all. But it's still the better choice for parallel ripping lumber, especially lumber too long to fit on the sliding table (my table is shorter, around 6' capacity). My tiny shop has enough room for me to process lumber up to 7' long, so I use the rip fence for that. Your comments about it not taking up much more room than a cabinet saw are right on. I need the space in front/behind, but when the table is parked, it doesn't take up much room at all.
I also have that parallel rip guide, but I just don't have clearance in my shop to use it. If I had that, I may not use the regular rip fence as much.
You can move that support table anywhere along the sliding table, but the support arm won't go with it the full distance.
Your F&F jig is nice. I ended up buying the (overpriced) one through Felder, only because there was no other way to get those clamps it comes with. I really like those clamps. The more powerful cam clamps get super rusty in my shop.
Limitations: things like tenoning jigs are more of a challenge on the slider. The fence is different, and there are no miter slots on the cast iron. That's not something I normally do, though.
BTW, I talked to my rep. I think I'm going to order one of those diamond blades. I still can't believe the finish coming off that. The only thing they mentioned is, unlike carbide, they can't sharpen those locally; they have to go back to Austria for sharpening. Thanks again for making me aware of that blade!
Thank you. I appreciate your detailed comment.
good video, love the suit. i have a Martin slider, and i wouldn't trade it for anything. if you want a nice upgrade, look to Mac Campshire's pneumatic clamps - makes a world of difference and well worth the money.
Thank you. Yes I heard good things about the Martin slider. And I heard about the Mac clamp. This guy on UA-cam called Steve I think he has the Mac clamp
Great video, thank you for making it. Do you ever wish you had the bigger motor, or do you find that the 4 HP has plenty of power? Thank you.
Where did you get your franz and fritz thing? That looks awesome
I need to lift my game and start wearing my tux in the workshop. Great review.
Haha thanks. I was being silly that day. I never wear a suit except for weddings and funeral
Now that was a complete explanation of your saw Gilbert, It is a beautiful piece of equipment and it fits you to a T. Has a lot to do with preset ion and the ease of producing a finish and perfect product in the end.... Well done and by the way.... The suit make this a professional video I think, like you father said.....he had only seen you with a dress up like that, on your wedding day.....well done.....CHEERS
Thanks Gator. Really enjoying my saw. My production is greatly improved.
Y’a that suit... That was to generate more comments. Lol 😂
Doceniam i podziwiam Pana ubranie i pracę przy formatowej k700 a serio to piękna maszyna i super prezentacja Dziękuję 👍
Never seen a tool review in a business suit before, well done. First time viewing your channel I will be back. From your accent I would guess you're from the Maritimes?
Ontario, Canada. Thank You for watching. 😊
Ne again, did you opt for a scoring unit?
If not, did you regret it? Your blade seems to be a nice cut without!
What motor did you choose? Standard 4kw? Would you upgrade?
Finally did you get Dado Option?
Thank you so much!
Amazing video thank you for this, I’m most likely going to be getting the K700 as I don’t usually rip sheets bigger than the 4x8 plywood. Can you give us some info on the power requirements for this saw? Thanks again
Thank you what a great review and demonstration. Keep up the good work..
Thank You ☺️
Great shop and review! I noticed you have the jointer/planer combo in which i‘m interested in.
Is the Manual crank for the thicknessplaner alright or did you regret not going for the motorized version? Greetings
The manual crank is fine for me. But if I would go back and forth from planner to jointer more than 10 times per day then the motorized would be nice.
@@frenchriversprings
Thx for your help! I have another question if you don’t mind.
Do you have the standard motor? 400v and 3kw? Did you ever need more?
Do you know the biggest size blade which will still retract completely under the table?
Also you have the fixed 4800rpm?
Thx so much!
Franz
Yes i get one to with tha molder and also the felder planer thickners ad741 with the spiral cutterblock
and so dam happy👍for felder macines😁
Very nice saw. Does it come in a smaller size ? smaller foot print? I know Hammer does but how about Felder?
Wow, you clean up nice Gilbert, lol.. Man, what a nice system.. Been looking forward to this review.. Learned alot.. So many cool features. I was wondering if you would stop using the miter saw, but didnt think you would sell it, lol. That speaks to the versatility of this sliding table saw.. Thanks for taking the time to do this.. Cant wait to see what you make next !
I have a few jobs ahead of me but in a few weeks I will make a live edge table over 12’ long. Will make a video of it.
Great review! I keep my eyes open for a used sawstop or a small Euro slider. I have not seen one up close yet but from videos like yours I can see how a Euro slider is more accurate, repeatable, safe than a traditional cabinet saw. I own an old General cabinet saw and I am always using push sticks and jigs to get the job done.
Y’a the used SawStop and Euro slider are hard to find. Your welcome to come and try my saw anytime.
@@frenchriversprings oh that would be fun!
Yes for sure. And I have a piece of Bur Oak for you.
I like the video, the workshop and the way you presented the Felder sliding saw in suit like a prime minister👍😬 Would you please explain more why you sold your miter saw? wouldn't be more handy than this saw in miter angles?
This Felder saw does miter more precise. A bit longer to set up though
A shop that looks like it's brand new, and no work has yet been done in it? You're my kind of craftsman! I hate a dirty shop.
Thanks for the review. Did you evaluate any other sliding table saws such as Altendorf?
Yes. Altendorf was my first choice but it only comes in 3 phase which I don’t have. I think the Felder is pretty close in quality I think 🤔
in germany/europe, Felder is sometimes regarded as a „second class“ brand, while first class would be Martin and Altendorf. Felder is more common in carpentry shops (guys who build houses), while Altendorf and Martin are used by furniture makers/joiners because of their crazy accuracy and comfort features.
but compared to those little „cabinet saws“ like Sawstop etc, Felder is VASTLY superior and very high quality
@@Folgemilch21 Thank you for your perspective. I wouldn't know otherwise.
@@Folgemilch21 Where would you rank an SCM slider on that list of sliders? I’m looking at the SI 315 ES as well. Thx
@@tundrawhisperer4821 I have never seen a SCM machine up close, but simply going by the prices of those machines, they seem to be very high quality as well. I also see a lot of older SCM machines being sold for good money as well, so they seem to hold up over time just as Altendorf etc.
New Sub :) I switched from my PM66 to the KF700SP 5 or 6 years ago and will attest that everything you said is 100% true. Love this thing. Also: like your little “garage box” in the slider - have to do that. You know that you can rotate the rip fence 90 deg for a lower profile, right? Still works great as a stop; doesn’t get in the way of the dust collector hood as much. Triple-check the alignment of your riving knife with your blade. Even a few thou off can push panels away from the CC fence and take them slightly out of square. Brass shim stock is the only way to correct but worth it if you’re out.
Yes I usually use the low profile fence now. And I did align the riving knife. Cheers 🍻
Great Investment. This is actually on my shopping list.
Thank You 😊
Amazing workshop ❤
Thank You
Hey its been a while right ?! That's a very clear and profesional review ! Oh and i love your suit, well done ! Please take care Gilbert, cheers :D
Nice to hear from you Bryan. Will try to make more videos now.
Hello, nice video. Thank you
Question, I like to do mortise and tenon joinery, is the machine able to make tenon’s. Currently I use a Delta tenon jig ?
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This video should answer your question. I just use a dado blade on my sliding table saw to make tenons
That dado tenon video was great!
Thanks, this swayed me to opt for something seriously more expensive.
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's beautiful.
Thank you
Thank you truly for a marvelous video of your saw. You sold me on a sliding table saw. Is the Felder the very best?
Felder saw is one of the best but Altendorf and Martin are perhaps even better quality than Felder. I think Martin and Altendorf only come in 3 stage though.
im still using my 25 yr old general 350, im still torn between getting a sawstop or felder. just for personal use. Thanks for the informative info
If I were you, I would get the Felder and get the largest one that you have room for.
Del pal I love my general 350. From new in 2005, it’s been amazing. Nothing been done to it. That’s a testament to the quality. And my shop is going everyday most of the time.
Hello, thanks for sharing, this is such a useful and functional sliding table saw. I'm setting up my workshop in Saskatoon and wish to get one like this. Can I get I for on how to get one like this. Thanks.
Email me. I will give you the contact gilbertroy939@gmail.com
Well I did it! I joined the “Felder family”. My new K 700 S has been officially ordered and will be here in October! I’m pretty damn excited! Went full power automation and digital on everything, but the rip fence. Wanted to ask you when your standing in front of the saw, just below the rip fence sliding bar, is there an area to slip a pallet jack under the machine? How did you move it around to set it in the location you have yours in now? Thank You.
So excited for you. Congratulations!
Yes there is a place to put a pallet jack but it has to be a narrow one.
I used my farm tractor with the forks. My tractor barely fit tru the garage door.
@@frenchriversprings ah okay, narrow set then. Any chance, when you have time, could you tell me what that measurement spread is under the saw. That would be much appreciated! Thx
Just over 25 inch. Where do you live?
@@frenchriversprings Thank you very much! Would you know the height clearance at that spot too? I live in Milton, WA
Keep forgetting to answer your question. It’s 3.5 inch
I knew this guy was not a real wood worker because he does not have a Tie. 😂 lol. Thanks for the review.
The sad fact that all American tablesaws are made in China or Taiwan leaves a bad taste in my mouth from wanting to purchase one. But this Felder has sparked my interest in owning a sliding European table saw.
Currently looking at the same saw for my shop. Do you think power lift and tilt are worth the extra money? If you had to do it again.
I don’t think it’s worth the money. So easy to lift and tilt the blade. Unless I had to tilt the blade 20 times a day then maybe. Also it’s another thing that can break. The technician told me that my saw is the one that almost never break down. The only thing that usually needs to be replaced is the computer for the blade brake. Needs to be changed every six years under heavy use. The only thing I wish I could get for my saw is the micro adjust on the cross cut fence. I do have it on the ripping fence thought.
Thanks for the reply. I was thinking the exact thing just something expensive that will break. I’m currently cutting twenty plus sheets a day with a track saw and cabinet saw. I’m very ready for the upgrade. As far as sheet good and heavy panels does the saw handle it well? Is there any opinions you wish you had gotten in hindsight? Thanks
Yes it handles the sheet well. Very happy with my saw. The only thing I suggest is getting that extra table that hooks up to the side of the sliding table. Also comes with the ruler. Really nice to rip long peices of plywood and keep the exact width each end. Ya Before my K700S I did same as you. Track saw and cabinet saw. You will be able to double your production easy and more accurate.
Makes good sense to me.
I'm considering this same saw. Can you tell me which motor size you got and is it a single phase motor? Great review!!
Thank You. Yes it’s single phase 4hp motor
@@frenchriversprings Thanks for the information. One other question, how tall is the blade guard at the extreme right hand edge of the saw? I was going to place it with the right side against a wall but I have some upper cabinets there now. Need to know if I should plan to raise those cabinets.
Could you measure one more thing for me? On that saw, it’s possible to pick it up with a pallet jack by sliding the jack under the saw body from the end. What’s the width of that opening? Wondering if a regular pallet jack will do it or if a narrow jack is needed.
Narrow jack is needed but will measure it later tonight.
Slightly over 25”
I have exactly the same saw in the UK you seem a nice person but you don’t use the saw to it’s full potential, you certainly do not need those Kreg attachments you can do everything either off the cross cut fence or the ripping fence. Have a look at how these table saws are used in Europe, once you get used to it you will find it’s far quicker to process panels the way it’s intended to be used. I have the table saw, planer thicknesser, spindle moulded Bandsaw and dust extraction unit all by Felder, yes there expensive but they are top of the range and a joy to use. Note never seen a bloke in a suit on a table saw, unless he was a rep stay safe and enjoy that lovely machine.
The suit was just a joke cause I never wear a suit. 🤣
I'm not sure if you have three phase power so this may be a mute point but if your saw is single phase it is really important to hold the start button down for about three seconds before releasing to let the saw get to full speed. If you just hit the button when you start it you will be putting a new capacitor in it about every six months. If it is a three phase saw I don't believe this is an issue.
Yep already put new capacitor. Learned my lesson. Lol
I’m curious why you don’t have three control buttons on the back of the carriage bed? Felder has two green buttons, one for main blade, one for scorer blade, and red button for off. And so this is what they call the 3200mm sliding table? When you want to slide the outrigger table down the slider bed, can you leave the cross cut fence in place while sliding it down? Thx
There is a switch for the scoring blade. When the switch is on you can start both motors with the push of ONE green button.
@@frenchriversprings okay, then they have reconfigured how they power the two blades now. The sales person sent me a picture describing now the end carriage has a three button set up now, and no need to flip a switch at the main base of the machine. I’m getting my pricing dialed in now. Do you think you’ll do a comparison video, overhead guard versus no guard? Thx
Y’a. Pretty busy at the moment but I can do a video when I have a chance. Good luck on your purchase.
@@frenchriversprings I totally understand, take care! Thx
Awesome saw. They know how to build em
They sure do!
I bought a MiniMax si315 elite s and it does everything that Felder can do for half the price. Plus I didn't need a technician to come put it together, I did everything myself and more. I even made improvements to the saw better than what MiniMax did. I and a electronic friend installed on/off switch on the end of the slider like yours , works great. I love mine! .Also I do have a new cabinet table saw that is great for cutting small pieces of wood, and I still use a festool miter saw. I like how clean your workshop is and the painted floor, same as mine, your a clean woodworker I like that. Very nice shop you have.
May I ask where you bought your yellow Fritz and Franz handle? Thanks
Took it off the GRR-Ripper pushblock.
So many of those elements are much better on the Altendorf, like moving the crosscut fence forwards which takes half the time. Trouble is that it is much more expensive. And good luck keeping those slide table rollers clean
altendrof are a better machine , i have one , and the cross cut moves in seconds cant be any quicker, altendorf are just as expensive if not more
You both look sharp 😁
Merci 😊
Very nice but my garage does not have 220
Nice laboratory Mr. Fancy Pants. What's that wood working machine doing in there?
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Does your Felder slider run on a single phase 230v? If so, then you have a 30 amp breaker, right? When you start the machine up, is there any hesitation to it at all or is it pretty much instant start up of the blade? Also, when not using the saw and you want to lock it in the center position of the saw unit, is this locked position pretty much sitting center of the blade or center of the 6’ body section of the slider support frame? Thank You
Not center of blade but center of body. 30 Amp single phase. The saw pretty much starts instantly. When you push the green start button, you have to keep it pushed for 1 sec or so. My dust collector takes a little longer. About 4 sec
@@frenchriversprings with these sliders being such versatile machines, where you can crosscut and rip various materials, which blade brand/model are you running as your everyday blade? Thx
I only use my diamond blade. Does a beautiful job on any sheet goods and crosscut and rip cut 2 inch thick hard maple like butter. But I did pay $700 for the blade. I did make a video on it.
Now I understand why you don't need the Format 4 with the PCS system. Safety is built in since you never need to get close to the blade.
Spotted your benchtop drill press in the background. Since you prefer quality tools, have you had a look at the Nova Voyager by Teknatools? Sold in Canada by King. If you consider it I would suggest the Voyager over the Viking.
Yes I am aware of it. I will probably eventually buy it. It’s not something that I use a lot. It all depends what kind of job I get.
Fielders dust collection is so good , you can come to workin a suit .
hello great video thank you very much for your time, I wish I could have the help of the cabinetmaker community, I am undecided between a SCM si nova 400 and the Felder k 700S for my new workshop. I have the experience of having worked with the SCM si nova 400 for 2.5 years and with the format4 for 1.5 years, but I have never seen a k 700S. Thanks to everything and prosperity.
Love that saw! I have a sawstop, but I dream of the felder slider!
Having had a Felder 714 combination machine I can vouch for their build quality. But I have to take issue with his describing the dial option on the height adjustment, he only told half the benefit. Those adjustment wheels ALL have the same thread pitch and one complete revolution is 2mm, so if you need to adjust height by say 7mm, you just rotate dial 3 1/2 revolutions, saves so much time. If you require absolute precision you can eyeball the pointer between the smallest lines to achieve an accuracy of 1/100 mm. Of course being wood, it won't stay at that!!
Just learned something. Thank You 😊
Could you tell me the overall width of this saw from left to right? So furthest point of outrigger fence to the other side. I need to check my shop space again.
Download the Felder Big catalog from the Felder USA site. They have floor footprints for each saw in there. Note that you have lots of options for configuring these, and some of those change the footprint. You don't just buy a K700S. You need to pick the size for various fences, rip fence, table capacity, etc.
@@Psychlist1972 I went back into their site, but no luck with any footprint drawings outlining dimensions. I’ll need to contact the sales rep I was talking to a while back. What outrigger table did you go with, 1300 or 1500? Can you use your own dado blades or do you have to buy a Felder made dado set? Also, did you pay for an on site tech set up service? Thx
@@tundrawhisperer4821 Like I said, it's in their big catalog. In the case of the USA site, you go to their e-shop and then the catalogs are in the left-side nav bar.
You can use any dado set that has the Felder bore in the middle. I chose to use the Felder grooving set. You can't use regular US ones unless you get them rebored.
My outrigger sits in the corner of my shop because I don't have room for it. It's the 1300, IIRC. Instead, I use a shorter fence and a support at the other end of the table. This is specifically because of the room available in my shop.
I didn't have any on-site support. I assembled it myself. It was well-configured from the factory.
Sorry for the late response. It is 12’. But I do have the longer ripping table
@@frenchriversprings Could I swing by and give this sliding table saw a test drive?! 😁
whats the footprint on this thing like how much shop space does it take up
That workshop is very clean! Has it ever seen any work or are you just OCD of cleanliness!
I kind of OCD on cleanliness. I vacuum the entire shop after every job. For this video I cleaned my shop even more.
How long it normally takes to get it in EU
If I got that right, we need to wait about a few months, am I right?
I have order this saw a month ago and delivery should be in december..I think its worth to wait:)
is this the 7 hp or the 10 hp?
How much dod its cost?
That a series piece of kit, would of thought the blade adjusting wheel would of been automated with a digital measuring reader, but I guess if it was perfect then there would never be a reason to upgrade.
@Eric Hamilton only when the system breaks 👍
Is you outrigger table the 1500mm size? And do you have heavier duty Format 4 cross cut fence? Thx
Yes I believe it’s the 1500mm. No the crosscut fence is not the super duty one found on the format 4
@@frenchriversprings actually, now I think I remember my sales lady that I working with at Felder say, you get the heavy duty Format 4 cross cut fence when you order the digital flip stops. I’m getting closer to putting my deposit down on this same K 700 S. Your feed back and review videos have been incredibly helpful for me. Thank you very much for doing these!
Your welcome. Yes I asked about buying the digital flip stop and the salesperson said I could not get it for my saw. But then said if I wanted it I would have to buy the format 4 crosscut assembly and the whole thing would cost me about 6k. I found a company that sells the digital flip stop for my saw. It’s called the dro flipstop sold by lamb tool works. $1200 USD. It looks very nice but does not have the micro adjust like the one on the format 4.
@@frenchriversprings wow, it is expensive to live in Canada! I have two options for digital flips stops. I can get one for now with the heavy duty fence for $1,640. And upgrade to a second, right handed flip stop later. Which gets you even closer to the blade. Or I can order two digital flips stops for $2,490. I’m going to opt for the one flips stop for now, and get a right handed one later. I ended up getting the Power Drive set up as well with height and angle movements. My build is coming in at $16,840
I will have to talk to my salesman. Maybe he tough that I have to buy the whole carriage and sliding table and not just the fence. In Canada it usually cost 35% more than in the USA
How can I get this please
Does it take American or European style dado blades. ?
Yes it does!
What’s one setup like that cost?
A little over 100k in machinery and tools. My shop is 1200 sq feet. Not sure how much it would cost to build but over 75k is my estimate.
Your rip fence is angled away from the blade - called toe-out. Your thing strip off-cuts will be tapered.
Is this 3phase with built in vfd convertor?
Nope. Single phase
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Hello from France/Europe
Thank you very much for this video. This gave me good information about the saw for a purchase I am considering soon.
Glad my video helped you. So hard to find UA-cam videos on sliding table saws.
It blows me away when I see a UA-cam that has 200k of equipment in there shop and they don’t even have a sliding table saw. In my opinion it’s the most important tool.
What are the dimensions of your shop ?
30’ x 40’
Having problems with my machine. It was running great for about a year. Recently it has been shutting off after about 10 minutes of use! Anyone experiencing this issue!?
AWESOME SAW but the price on one of those, i would have to take a loan out on my house
Precio ???
How much?
Almost 20k CAD without any accessories. Probably 17k USD
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ingin memiliki.
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A woodworker in suit, whoo
I almost never wear a suit. I was curious to see if it would generate comments. 🤣
Como los ubicó en peru
that is a hell of a machine for 20,000 i believe
Y’a I really like it and saves me a ton of time.
Very nice 🖒
Thank you
That's not a saw, that's a space ship.
Seems like that saw needs a Bugatti parked next to it.
You should do all your videos in a 3 piece suit.
want, want , want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Had it for six months now and still amazed by it. It’s a real time saver.
@@frenchriversprings I'm still watching your review, I priced the K500 pro out already and I think this is driving me home!!! Great informative video, thanks!!!!
Awesome!! Let me know what you end up buying. I will upload another video tonight or tomorrow and I cut a massive 2” thick hard maple Island top with my felder.
FYI my new video is uploaded. 😉
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It appears you're a one-man shop - how do you justify the exorbitant cost of something so industrial-grade when you are likely the bottleneck in production speeds? It would make sense if you have employees and can keep the saw running for 12 hours a day straight...because as you surely know, it's not making money unless its running. I make no assumptions about your business but I would imagine that it will take a lot of jobs to recoup the cost of that slider.
Yes I’m a one man shop. Another reason to get that saw. It increases my productivity drastically. I’m getting pretty busy so the saw should pay for itself in 18 months I think
Equipment like this is invested in so you DON'T have to hire employees.
Exactly!
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You're missing a tie
Lol 😂
I'm British, and our health and safety would say wearing a tie in a workshop is a hazard... Colin Furze has this problem solved already with the safety tie
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