The Messenger, Best Retro Ninja!? - Which Ninja
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When it comes to indie games, The Messenger seemed to rock EVERYONE'S socks off. Great gameplay, superb writing, but when it comes to the titular hero of the game, how does The Messenger stack up as a REAL ninja?
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Absolutely loved this. Thanks a lot Gaijin Goombah for taking the time to do this extensively researched video. You are awesome!
Thanks so much!!!
triforce=houjou
Anything could be ninja
Just got and beat the game working on my first new game plus and died for the first time on gem cavern boss instead of leaf golem lol :) looking forward to the DLC any chance we could play as other cast members like soldier dude :)
You game looks cool Sabotage studios,I hope I get to play it.
"real ninja wear blue" a good slogan for selling ninja merch
Not to mention catchy
A ninja in today's world would want to watch something that really bleeds color in orange light though. Even though they should stick to high ground when possible, I find it almost inevitable that they will be on street level eventually, and orange street lights are known for leeching the color out of certain fabrics.
Yeah they might need to change that slogan due to the zuko episode. Maybe some more blue but I guess some wear black now
Anyone else wanna see a which ninja of Solid Snake? If you think about it he is a ninja. Specially made tools for stealth and infiltration, the shadow clone jutsu, see MGSV, and having backup plan after backup plan. Seems like a ninja to me
Great now I'm struggling which Culture shock I want
Code Name S.T.E.A.M
Solid Snake Which Ninja
No, he's a combination of Special Forces Soldier and Spy.
Could it be argued that he takes some elements from Ninja? Sure.
But that hardly makes him a Ninja.
I mean, Gaijin did an episode on the Spy from TF2... so... MGS doesn't seem that farfetched.
I might be misremembering, but didn't the original Metal Gear literally call him a ninja. Isn't he explicitly supposed to be "a modern day ninja."
Maybe it's kind of a Batman or TF Spy scenario, where it's more about the techniques and their application. You gotta admit, the MGS saga and its gameplay mechanics draw heavily from historical ninja techniques (disguises, infiltration, tricking the enemy, unorthodox techniques, stuff like that)
I'd love to see you guys make your own ninja game.
same, I agree a lot with that
I could imagine
I feel bad whenever our adorable Gaijin Goombah's mind breaks from cultural inaccuracies.
His suffering brings us wisdom, cultural sensitivity and enlightenment.
Venerate the most adorable Goombah.
Watching this series just trips me out some times because I occasionally find myself using some of these techniques without even knowing about it.
Like when at 4:56 "ninja feet" were mentioned and when I heard how they did it I realized that I've been using that same technique to walk around places without making a sound. And I didn't even know that it had anything to do with ninja.
Then there was a time when some of my friends and I were playing hide and seek at night on campus. I was the only one to climb up in the tree to hide while every one hid on the ground. And no one figured out where I was, even though I was wearing sorta noticeable clothing. Then when I heard about the Tanuki Gakure no Jutsu, I was amazed that I've been using real ninja techniques without even knowing it.
Sometimes it's just luck or instinct to do such things. I'm a rather heavyset guy but I would constantly scare my classmates or family on accident because despite my weight I can move rather silently and quickly when I'm not even trying. This was before and after I took a heavy interest in ninja but before any really good books like Antony Cummins' books about them were available so it was just something I did and still do naturally.
Gaijian: you can’t double jump
Me: shore-you-can
I can't really agree with taking points off for double jumping, because that's just an "every videogame" (especially ones with platforming) thing.
to be fair, this show is about validating ninja's, and it's not a point off just for double jump, it's a few small pointers double jump included, i mean, he could have taken a point off because the messenger is just fighting his way through hordes, which a real ninja would always try to not do.
they could have made it so the grappling hook allows for a swing after a jump instead of a double jump, to make it feel more ninja like, but it's such an ingrained platformer trope that everyone just expects it nowadays
This is one of my favorite series to watch
Amusing to learn about Shinobi Ashi, as I not only do that without thinking about it(The wear pattern on my shoes tells an interesting story), but also, do it specifically when trying to be a sneaky person. And yes. It works. Even in shoes, it works.
Any chance for Snake Eyes? Just doing some light research (and by that I mean wikipedia) I can't find anything about his real name, where he's from, or anything about his origins. Although he wears black, I'm sure there is more to him.
He's good.
G.I. Joe is the jam
Well he is Modern so black fits better than blue.
Snake Eyes is supposed to be a complete mystery, everything about him is classified, so you won't ever find any information about his real name or anything else like that.
@@darthpaul99 That's why it would be awesome to analyze him. Just like a ninja to not share his identity with anyone.
"Towel"? Is Ford Prefect a ninja!?
Tyrant-Den
Oh yes. Intergalactic-towel-jutsu.
Hooray for (mostly) historically accurate ninja in an Indie game! The Messenger certainly looked like an interesting choice for the Nindies at Night back in June/July, and I recognized a lot of previous concepts and items covered in previous episodes, specifically the Amigasa hat and medicine pouch from the Shinobi no Rokubu, the human sized kites, plated chainmail armor (used for strength/agility training; looks like Rock Lee had some reason behind those leg weights after all) and of course "real ninja wear blue!".
I played the game a little on the Japanese setting and Gaijin bringing up the kite festival is rather accurate as the kanji they gave the wing suit in Japanese is 凧布 which (pardon me for using google translate for this) comes out as "Kite Cloth" so he got that one without even knowing it it seems.
Gaijin has covered the kite festival in more detail in a previous video, so I remembered that "human sized kite" thing from there.
I'm gonna keep doing this everytime there's an upload on Which ninja.
*Do the Dishonored series.*
People are gonna start using your videos to make the perfect ninja game.
GamingAries YES
GamingAries, OH I attend to do that with a game I'll be making once I have my gaming/animation studio made and it will be called the New Orleans Ninjas where it will have a cartoonish comic look to it where you play as a raccoon,river otter and crow (raven) as you must stop a big landscaping company from tearing down your little trailer park town and use your six shinobi no rokubu to start off with and you get these items and a dark blue ninja clothing from your tanuki cousins from the prefectures of Iga And Koga😆👍🐺
Gaijin is the best retro ninja
He wearing Crimson
@@mojonoahgamer5647 makes it easy for him to hide in the night. Blood is hard to see at night.
>_> ;;
Gaijin Goombah Media doe Cat Women (DC) and Black cat (Marvel) has anything to do with ninjas?
True
still looking forward to Gaijin Goombah ripping into a bad ninja
See the one punch man ninja episode.
DarknessRifter like Naruto? I mean really? ORANGE?!
RIGHT? He has not done a single one! He even defended Sonic at the end of the one punch man episode, saying he's "deep down, a true ninja". Let off some hate, Goomba. Show no mercy for once!
Look no further than Sonic from One Punch Man or Genji from Overwatch.
Those ninjas are smart; they know where their towels are.
When i saw this game my first thought was if gaijin would make a video on it.
Gaijin Goombah: Everything is a ninja!!!
Not saying he should do this on which ninja but he should do something on the Meiji or just something in assassins creed origins on culture shock or something
"REAL NINJA WEAR BLUE!" Man, I love that. It's so catchy
The double jump comes from either the fact that one is so agile that even the air itself will let you jump again, you are so light that you can jump again (both can fit a ninja like idea), or the fact that one can make the excuse that ninja channel Ki to double jump.
One of the essential items ninja always should have is a towel?
Hitchhiker's guide is about ninja confirmed
Regarding the part about slicing projectiles mid-flight, The Messenger might just be deflecting them in a direction we can't see, and as Viggo Mortensen showed when playing Aragorn in the Lord of the Rings movies, it is perfectly possible for a sword to deflect projectiles. It's risky, but it can be done.
I'd love to see you do a proper Mark Of The Ninja episode for this series
So, I am sitting in the deli at the hospital I work at waiting for my best friend to finish a follow appointment, and I start watching this. I don't know what caused it, but that "Real ninja wear BLUE" jingle started me laughing like a maniac.
Gaijin im sorry I can't donate I live on disability so I have limited funds but I do watch all your vids and share them with my friends
Thats all I need.
@@GaijinGoombah still wish I could support you more also what do you think of Itachi uchiha from Naruto as a ninja?
Real-life ninjas really knew what they were doing... never leave home without a towel!
I really love these videos. Ninja and unconventional warfare throughout history has become a big interest to me. Something I find fascinating is that a lot of people call SOF units like the Navy SEALs modern day ninja, and they're not necessarily wrong but not in the way they think. SOF units do a lot more than kick in doors and take out their targets. They do a lot of reconnaissance, finding out what certain groups or people do, find out their routines, gather information/intel, and a lot of other stuff that ninja did. Fascinating subject!
I'm also still waiting for an episode on Scorpion from Mortal Kombat!
May I suggest looking into _Mega Man 11_ , specifically the companies listed as making the robot masters. For example, Torch Man was made by “Tsubakuro Precision Machining”. In Japanese, the _tsuba_ is the name of a sword hilt, while _kuro_ means black. So the company is named “Black sword hilt”. Appropriate for a Robot Master that fancies himself a warrior.
Once Again Gaijin Provides Another Awesome Video Talking About Ninjas And That Is The Type Of Thing I Love From This Channel And Gaijin Himself He Always Provides Good And Solid Research When He Makes His Videos And That Is What Makes Me A Fan Of This Great Channel Stay Gold Gaijin Goombah
Reading this gave me a stroke
Why Are You Typing Like A Serial Killer Taunting The Cops?
I keep imagining the shadows in the background are like, disciples of GG that are headed out on missions.
So nice seeing The Messenger nailed the ninja spirit along with being an incredible game.
This guy is awesome, I can't wait him to review Tenchu one of these days.
If you want to see something similar to a giant shuriken, look up "hunting boomerang"... Its a boomerang that doesnt return, and is amazing!
Also... If you want to see something like a double jump in real life, look up "hapkido high jump" first they jump really high, then they kick up to gain more distance and land with a roll
"A boomerang that doesn't return". Isn't that true for literally every non-boomerang thrown object? :P
@@TheHeavyshadow its the original boomerang tho... The curve is less than a "normal" boomerang, but its still clearly a boomerang in shape... And a good hit from one can kill you... Oh, and they fly really far too!
I got what you meant to say, but I just really liked that explanation. :D
@@TheHeavyshadow yeah, it wasnt the most informative description ever to be honest, even granades are "non returning boomerangs" in a sense xD
5:05
wait that's an actual tecnique? i just do it naturally when sneaking in my house at night going from my room to the kitchen and back...
Have you ever looked up the reference from "Warhammer 40K"? For example, a leader of a magic using faction is based off of Odin of Norse mythology.
man not only is this game tight but also mostly accurate? good stuff!
You know, The Completionist did a phenomenal review on this game. I’d love to see how it plays!
Dude I used to do that ninja walk to sneak around the house at night. I had no idea it was a real thing! 😂
When I tried to look up more about the shinobi no rokubu I got the Six Samurai cards from Yu-Gi-Oh.
For the luls I'd love to see you look at Nonoka, the ninja from the strategy rpg, Stella Glow for Which Ninja. She'd definitely rank low on credible Ninja but... no, no buts. She's an animu ninja that'd be fun to poke fun at!
Please do a culture shock on the mechs from Zone Of the Enders.
I’ve yet to finish The Messenger (Mega Man 11 WOOOH!), but I definitely felt its authenticity as a Ninja game, even before this episode aired!
Glad it gained your approval (Cloud Jumping & stuff not withstanding lol)
You can potentially “run on lava”, photographers have stood on platforms the place in the lava then run off usually with melted shoes, because of the density of lava you wouldn’t actually sink into it quickly but rather slowly melt as long as you can stand
Providing you have a material that both won't burst into flames and is non-conductive enough to not transfer heat to your feet, you could feasibly run on lava without much feet-largening. Lava is incredibly dense (I mean, IS is melted rock), so much so that people actually float on top of lava when they fall in rather than sink like all the movies.
That was fun.. thanks for the new ninja based Kickstarter recommendation to back Goomba(no "H" implied) I'm sure it'll be fun, hopefully get a few stretch goals in.
I finally starting to play The Messenger during June and I'm starting to loving to the game
Can I just mention that lava, being molten rock, is actually very heavy and dense, and yo u can totally run over it in normal runners. They'll melt off kinda quick, so lashing generous amounts of palm fronts onto them first is advised. But it's totally doable and not the slightest bit as impossible as everyone seems to think.
I see that Gal Gun Double Peace scroll on your wall!
I see you're a man of culture as well.
So glad I decided to help out with your patreon, this has been such an amazing series and now I've been introduced to an amazing platformer I didn't know about AND potentially another which I'll probably toss a few coins to help out with on Kickstarter! Thanks for being so passionate about educating us all GG!
I have a ninja game I've been trying to find for years. It was an old NES game where you played as a ninja and the first boss is a giant called Tiny.
lol. I actually know how to do the Shinobi Ashi walk. My dad taught me to walk like that when he took me turkey hunting so I'd make less noise
Even the Ninja know that you must always know where your towel is.
4:56 ---> YO, YOU JUST BLEW MY FUCKIN' MIND.
I've always wondered why I'm constantly making my family members jump, they say I "sneak up" on them but I've always been like "No I just walked" BUT DUDE _I naturally walk on the sides of my feet._ That's insane!
>looks at the which ninja playlist
>no mention of Rikiamru or Ayame from Tenchu stealth assasins
Okay so that ninja feet technique, I used to walk like that when I lived in a house with wood floors so the floor wouldn't crack when I snuck around at night. 😂
So hearing ninja did that is wild.
11:01 Neko-Nin? Oh, *this* will be interesting.
You know it's funny, I didn't think ninja foot was an actual technique name. I just say that whenever a sneak around fast or walk into a room without being noticed.
The Messenger is so good! Had it not been for Jirard/Completionist or any others talking about this game, I would've missed out.
Could you please do a Which Ninja episode with either Stealth Elf or Ninjini from Skylanders?
Love the video. I've been ont he fence about playing this game, so I'm glad it looks so freaking cool. Stay golden my dude.
I'd like to see you cover the old PS1 game, Bushido, even though it's more akin to samurai style than ninja. I had so much fun with that game even though I didn't know any of the controls other than the attack and run buttons. It's not your traditional "beat'em up" or VS game. All it takes to win is one good strike. And you can even put your opponent at a disadvantage by injuring them, from hitting their arm so they can't use it, or even their legs to where they can't stand. And for some reason, one of the weapons you can select is a sledgehammer. Yes, I always picked that one.
The next Which Ninja should most definitely be "Is Polypa Goezee a Ninja?" semi/sarcasm
Very cool, also I'd love to see the Ninja from Mark of the Ninja in one of these episodes
The more i watch these the more interested i get. Counting all i'm watching on youtube, WhichNinja is still one of my top favorites.
Ah yes very ninja-like for the messenger to run into a fight without any sort of stealth involved, ever.
The Houjou have the Triforce as their symbol?
5:40
A recent ninja that has caught my mind, The Hunter from Destiny 2. Mainly its new subclasses.
Ninja never forgot their towels. That is why the can be found hitchhiking through out the galaxy.
Finally! I knew you would go for this guy.
the double jump for genji could make sense if they put an actual animation for it, all that tech? he could have a silent booster that lets him double jump,but the only other characters that have double jumps that can be explained is dante and bayonetta due to them being magic users
I am gonna look into Rioichi Cooper from the Sly Cooper series. also the reason for the double jump is because of gameplay.
I keep thinking about the double jump and I think it is more like they jump off of a surface fast enough to make it seem like they were double jumping. For instance, the slicing before making a second jump could just be that he is using the enemy he just killed as a spring pad. Also likely the wall behind him but it can't be used more than once because people usually push themselves outwards when using a foot against the wall. So just like most Ninja myths that were blown out of proportion, it was an Illusionary technique that made them seem super human.
to be fair, the double jump is a common video game trope, and if it makes any sense at all it's with the ninja
Uh... so I'm ninja walking almost everywhere? Explains why so many people are so surprised when they see me...
I'd love an open world Ninja game where you take on contracts or orders from your lord to sabotage, assassinate, or gather Intel from your enemy. You aren't going around killing randos by the bucketload, you have to be stealthy, use real Ninja tools and techniques. Know what I mean?
Try seeing if spiderman is a ninja.
Kinda...
Jeremy Jenkins I don’t just mean any Spiderman, I mean all of the spidermen and women has to researched for which ninja.
@@jasonbethea7929 I think one of them was a literal ninja, though I think gaijin already covered him
On the Cloud Step issue. Aside from game mechanic convenience, it's a common power found in Chinese cultivation fiction. In many anime/games it one of the most often appropriated. Dragon Ball even introduced it with that exact name as the precursor to the flight in DBZ by one of the most Chinese influenced characters, Tien.
Technically, you would stand on the lava due to its high density, you just wouldn't be standing for very long, considering your clothes would immediately catch fire, your feet would begin blistering away, and as you breathed your respiratory system would almost evaporate, among other just oh so fun things.
Great work as always please do Ancient Magus Bride
Please give us the dating sims ninjas, nin!
היי חבר ישראלי
Maybe, and this is just video idea, you can cover Koga, the shinobi from Paladins, like you made video about Genji. I play a lot with him and I applied strategies you mentioned in Genji vid and my gameplay improved so much. Keep the good work😊👌
I'm so glad that the "real ninja wear blue" jingle has become a staple on the show.
hahaha, just started playing yesterday, and first thing i said was the "blu ninja" jingle
Not a ninja but I love how Devil May Cry explains their double jump.
I don't walk like that, but my mom would say I have Ninja Feet since she never hears me coming. I've lost count of how many times I've startled her just by walking to the kitchen. I actually tend to walk by placing my toes first and then rolling to the rest of my foot.
Can’t believe you guys never mentioned the soundtrack once. Yeah it was irrelevant, but it’s also The Messenger.
Really enjoy this series I learn a lot and it's fun and interesting always thought ninja were cool since I was a kid in the 80's (when ninja were super hero's) glad to learn about real historical ninja
Joe Musashi is one of my favorites
Hey I have been thinking, while sly cooper is never officially called a ninja I think he’s a better shinobi then lot of other “ninjas” right. He can’t just fight and must only do so if absolutely necessary. He scouts missions out before hand, which in your how to genji video you said they did. And his cane is just like a ninja weapon. A common item used sometimes for fighting but mostly for moving around. And while there is no direct ninja counterpart it would work similarly to the Kusarigama in concept. On a smaller note his family is the cooper clan much like the koga. As well as his ninja ancestor. I thought it might be worth a which ninja episode
funny when u talked about the fuma u showed hanzo from the warriors series :P
I suggest Black Star from Soul Eater.
Ok, he is obnoxiously loud, and he ones of his weapons is that overcompensating shuriken but his other weapons seems reasonable. He has a Kusarigama (though both ends are sickles), smoke bomb, Bushin no Jutsu and the correct size for a ninja sword (until he got the demon sword). Also, something new that can be discussed is hand to hand combat and his rules of assassination.
Those hand sign can brake my fingers any day
This is a ninja that is not quite from a game (at least not the form I want you to really look at), but how much of a real Ninja is Woodman from Mega Man: Fully Charged
Shinobi should be for stealth games! Mark of the ninja was such a good game. But I haven’t even seen another game where the ninja primarily does stealth first and combat rarely ever
About slicing projectiles mid flight, isn't there a guy that can cut shots from a bb gun in half with a katana?
4:04 *laughs in Icelandic*
Perhaps the double jump relies on the sword as a launching vault?