@Марина Россия3 Are you even a figure skater ? You would know slow speed is more elegant. Its more beautiful (smoothness) and has time to bring emotions.
I like how many of the comments are not just simply picking one over the other, but rather pointing out how both of these jumps are good in their own ways. Kihira's effortless and elegant. Trusova's powerful and explosive.
kihira jump is not good in any way. it's tiny and has no flow, not to mention elephant in the room that it's freaking UNDERROTATED about 170-180 degree.
@@alexanderbakulin8836 She gets about 10 cm less height than Trusova, which is no problem because she rotates faster by more efficiently maintaining her angular momentum in the entry and having a tighter position in the air, thereby creating a more effortless looking jump. "Tiny" is an exaggeration. It satisfies the bullet point for good height, and is by no means a bad jump because it isn't as big as Trusova's (which not many jumps are anyway). And "no flow" is simply not true. In this example Kihira has slightly better flow than Trusova. She skates better and accelerates more easily, resulting in shorter preparation time than Trusova. Also, she doesn't pause her rotation before jumping like Trusova does here. Also, she retains more of her speed out of the jump than Trusova. Etcetera etcetera. Sure it's underrotated but that doesn't take away from the other qualities of the jump. And Trusova's wasn't fully rotated either.
@@o_._o123 what qualities are you babbling about? there's no height, no distance, no flow, no speed in and out. it's severely UNDERROTATED jump, close to be downgraded. with any fair judging it should be 4S< with a -3/-4 GOE. but since it's "strict" japanese judging, this crappy jump is called clean and the GOE's are positive. there's nothing "efficient" about inability to rotate the jump (and i've never seen a clean quad from kihira, even all of her practice attempts that i've seen were underrotated) what "good height" are you talking about? are you legit nuts? that's probably the tiniest "quad" that i've ever seen (among those that were called "clean" at competition), it's not even 50 cm high. it looks like a freaking triple! 11-12 yo girls are having more height on their quads, than kihira (even someone like akatieva or berestovskaya (who also have tiny jumps) when they were 12 yo, had bigger quads, not speaking of really amazing young jumpers like veronika zhilina). if this is a "good height" i wonder how the bad height should be looking. and no kihira doesn't "accelerates" more easily, neither rotates faster than sasha. you telling a straight up lies! sahsa is one of the fastest rotators in the world, she has 5.5 - 5.6 RPS on most of her quads attempts. she's also one of the fastest ladies in the world, look up at any figure skating statistics. there's alot of figure skating blogs on the internet that have actual numbers, instead of crazy fantasies. if you look at the actual numbers it's clear as a day that kihira is not even close to sasha in any aspects of jumping or skating.
@@alexanderbakulin8836 There's less height. Saying there's "no height" is just a childish way of arguing. It's about 50 cm high. Quads of this height always satisfy the bullet point for good height. Trusova has jumped this high and gotten the points for it. Same goes for Zhilina. Also, you say things that directly contradict what's evident in the video above. Kihira takes about a tenth of a second less than Trusova to complete four rotations. That means she rotates faster. You shouldn't talk about "actual numbers" when they don't support your argument. And please don't direct people to "figure skating blogs on the internet". Even regardless of the numbers, drawing valid conclusions and using them to build arguments is really not that easy, as you demonstrated. Finally, I didn't go into the other stuff because I notice you are a bit confused about what constitutes flow. It's not about who is the fastest. Speed and flow are very different things. It's best to read some judging manuals to learn about it. There's also a bunch of old ISU videos here on youtube that delve into the different skating skills you could watch.
@@o_._o123 the only thing that is evident in this video is that kihira doesn't complete anything. this "quad" is literally missing a half rotation. 0:38 instead of speaking "judging manuals' nonsense go and read some ISU manual that explains that the jump should be rotated in the air, not on the ice. i understand that you probably a kihira fan, but there's nothing childish about saying the truth, that this is the tiniest quad ever called clean in competiton. this fake "quad" is even smaller than alysa liu's fake "quads". this is literally the smallest "quad" in 35 years history of quad jumps. which is entierly opposite of definition "good height".
Sasha gets so much height that she almost over rotates it every time which is why it looks wild on the landing. Once she can rein it in a little more it will look much more effortless. She's such a powerful jumper!
As much as I love trusova and she's one of my fav skater you can clearly see in the slow mo that she rotates on the ice but I'm glad that she's improving with the help of plushenko unlike the other quadsters in russia
But I'm not saying rika quad sal it is a little bit ur but she can improve after all this is her first time landing it at a competition and she has perfect technique
Both of them rotated 180º on the ice before leaving it because the salchow jump has an up to 180º on ice rotation, because that's how the jump works. Same with loop and toe-loops.
@Марина Россия3 She will be fine lol. She has very good technique so I can see her fully rotating the 4S soon...even if she doesn't it's possible she won't get called on the URs because some Russian skaters (I'm not talking about trusova, she has good technique and rotation) don't get called for their URs either.
@Марина Россия3 No, I see what you mean, and yeah Anna has been quite prone to UR, and international judges will be more harsh to her for sure than Rus judges, who give her very gracious scores and underscore trusova tbh. However, even I'm not sure if international judges will call Anna's URs lol so that's why I'm not sure if they will call Rika's either, for the sake of fairness.
@Марина Россия3 uhmm the fact that only anna is the only one who weren't called for her flutz in the wc this year lol. and not only that literally evgenia gets massive goe on her flutz. Literally after russia rigged sochi they're so selfish that they rigged the whole sport too. but I love alena but what they're doing is so wrong. this is why I will always love the mao, yuna and caro era everything was fair back then, legends like mao asada suffered greatly in that flutz, but skaters like anna and evgenia just get away with it lol.
I like Rika's 4S it looks smoother (even with lesser time in take-off on her 4S) although at Jnats it looks like it's at the quarter mark. Sasha's 4S is cleaner in terms of rotation and maybe she can improve her flow of her 4S (mostly her entry and exit to the jump) but both are good skaters.
@@legitlyspelunking both skaters prerotate 180 for the salchow tho? That’s the correct mark for this jump. The jumps which Sasha has a problem with prerotations r the toe pick jump (e.g. lutz/flip) but in this case, both her and rika’s technique is correct.
Sasha is naturally strong. Nature did her best when creating Sasha. She was born to be an athlete. Look at her physique, at her muscles. On her figure, you need to sculpt statues.
I honestly like both of them. Japanese Nationals was the first time Rika got to land it in competition while Sasha has been landing it for the last 3-4 months. #TeamSasha #TeamRika #4S 🇯🇵⛸🥇💖 🇷🇺⛸🥉💖
У Рики есть недокрут небольшой, но, японские судьи на это глаза не закрыли и отметили в оценках, если пересмотреть программу. У Саши прыжок докручен, выше и четче. При чистом исполнении каждой можно уже будет о чем то говорить) ЧМ все покажет.
У Трусовой четверной сальхов, конечно, намного лучше. Кихира только начала четверной сальхов делать. Оценки у японских судей были абсолютно реальные. Не нужно забывать, что Кихира довольно стабильно прыгает триксель. Так что она будет основной конкуренткой Трусовой на ЧМ, особенно в короткой программе. Будет интересно.
@@mak_ketty Естественно, есть недокруты. Поэтому я и написала про реальные оценки японских судей в отличие от оценок российских судей на местных соревнованиях, так сказать. Во всех устах в российских соцсетях "квады" Щербаковой не с ребер и не с зубцов и с преротациями, оцениваемые российскими судьями с ГОЕ выше, чем у Натана Чена...
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I prefer rika's 4s, it was her first time landing one in competition and it was so smooth, her technique is really good. I adore sasha but her landing look a bit rough to me
Tho Rika has smooth landing but Sasha 4s looks complete to me and got height. Sasha is the Quad Queen. Hope many female skaters dare to step up their game like Sasha did.
Although both look promising, I prefer Trusova's 4S here. On one hand, Kihira's 4S has smoother landing and better posture at entry but it's not fully rotated (more UR than q IMO). Trusova's 4S, while wilder on landing and more "rush" on takeoff, is fully rotated. I will go with the one that is completely landed. The angles on those camera don't make it easy to compare both jumps' height and distance though, so I will just go out there and say both look good. On the other hand, Trusova's 4S fits into the music better. There is more flow in the performance, generally speaking. Kihira's music arrangement feels somewhat less coherent. Case in point, those bits leading to the 4S feel forced and abrupt. It gives off the impression that they are picked just for the jump, not the other way around. It doesn't help that she seems to drop the choreo to prepare for the jump.
Honestly, I do not know if it is good for lady skating. Yes. Great to motivate them by giving them some point. However, giving point to most of them being underrotated may givr them wrong direction.... Sasha is so far the only one doing fully rotated onr. Another one is Elizabeth Tursubayeva from Kazakhstan for her quad Salchow, but she is injured till now sadly. Anyway, I am so looking forward to see the competition
I mean Rika did not fully rotate her Sal. And had only 1 good attempt. Which was underrotated. Is there any question whose Sal is better? If one of contestants haven’t even landed a clean 1 yet.
Both are good but different, RIka focuses more on efficient rotation while Sasha relies more on height. Though I love how some people are saying that Rika underrotates her 4S because she doesn't prerotate as much as Sasha. If you count the rotations they completed in air, Rika has slightly more than 3.25 while Sasha has more than 3.5. And the amount of prerotation is actually quite similar if you count from the moment they lower their body, Sasha just takes off from a deeper edge on her left foot and has a longer take-off curve.
梨花の足が前から後ろに切り替えた直後にジャンプした！まるで3Sの助走 Sasha’s landing is a little bit unstable,I’m not sure is because over-routed or any other reason 🤷♀️ &She has almost 1/2 pre-rotation.But she has powerful jump & high. Rika’s entry is perfect & fast like 3S,but she has to be careful with her take-off might be judged as “Less than quarter missing” or “Landed on the quarter”.It look very smooth because her skill is good!
Olesya But I hope the pre-rotation could be as less as possible. It might help she improves her landing. That’s not a very big problem,but I think she has good skill to be better. (Everybody know that ISU doesn’t care about any other pre-rotation🌚) Same as Rika,her take-off isn’t the best now,but I also hope she jump better than better.
Кихира милашка ... золото чм19 должно быть у неё.. Рика и Саша, две трудолюбивые девочки.. другие сдаются, а Рика трудится наращивая тех.базу) все берут пример с Саши )
plushenko and her ac have been working on Sashas posture and flow! I would def check out the videos of the improvements that have been made you'll be impressed!
If Rika would just hook the takeoff edge another 1/4 turn, she would get quite a bit more torque and the same amount of prerotation Trusova gets and she would not squeeze the last 1/4 revolution sometimes. Trusovas is more powerful but Kihira's could be if she hooked the takeoff a bit more. Rika lands it nicer with more flow than Trusova....
It is not near downgrade. But I would at the quarter. Rika's was more effortless and smooth, but not as rotated as Sasha's. While Sasha had amazing height and power, but the landing was not as clean. But both have very impressive attempts.
no. Rika Kihira was born in 2002. She jumped 4S at the age of 16-17. The oldest women to complete multiple quadruple jumps were Trusova and Shcherbakova at the Olympics, they were almost 18 years old. Shcherbakova, who completed 4F+3T and 4F, was 17 years and 10 months old. Trusova performed 5 quadruple jumps at the Olympics and two 4 lutz jumps in the second half of the program when she was 17 years and 7 months old. I don't understand why people tend to insult Russian athletes for looking like disposable cups and curdled milk (David Lees said this). Didn't Rika Kihira retire as soon as she turned 18?
@@levinsky3597 You actually don't know what you're talking about. Rika Kihira landed a quad salchow at the 2020 Japanese National Championships when she was 18 years old and 6 months which is older than "almost 18". Also, Rika Kihira is not retired. She's been out for a season due to a stress fracture and was ineligible for the Olympics because of it but she's currently training for the next season. Whether she announces her retirement any time soon remains to be seen. As far as I know this makes Rika Kihira the oldest woman to land a quad in competition. However, I now know Elizaveta Tuktamysheva and Miki Ando have landed quads in practice while in their 20s. I have nothing against Trusova and Shcherbakova and in fact, I think Trusova's skills regarding quads are amazing but to state they are the oldest ladies to land quads in competition is just factually wrong.
@@gracehetfield5331 ну это чемпионат японии, а это олимпийские игры. Это внутреннее соревнование, а это международное соревнование. Я уверен, что Трусова и в 20 будет прыгать свои квады. Так что все равно, официально самые старшие трусова и анна
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Which skaters would you like to see next?
Veronika Zhilina vs Kamila vs Sasha vs Akiteva quad toe😀
Trusova looks more energetic and fast....Rika looks smooth and calm
Their jumps fits with their programs aura
Yeah, I like RIka´s more, because of that smoothnes and elegance.
@Марина Россия3 that person says s/he prefers calmer jumps. If you dont agree, state it respectfully. Dont be rude to the skaters please.
@Марина Россия3 Are you even a figure skater ? You would know slow speed is more elegant. Its more beautiful (smoothness) and has time to bring emotions.
@Марина Россия3 I see you in every comment. Can you just shut up?
I would prefer Sasha's energy and height to Rika's elegant. But I think we shouldn't choose, they are so different and both are so good
I like how many of the comments are not just simply picking one over the other, but rather pointing out how both of these jumps are good in their own ways. Kihira's effortless and elegant. Trusova's powerful and explosive.
kihira jump is not good in any way. it's tiny and has no flow, not to mention elephant in the room that it's freaking UNDERROTATED about 170-180 degree.
@@alexanderbakulin8836 She gets about 10 cm less height than Trusova, which is no problem because she rotates faster by more efficiently maintaining her angular momentum in the entry and having a tighter position in the air, thereby creating a more effortless looking jump.
"Tiny" is an exaggeration. It satisfies the bullet point for good height, and is by no means a bad jump because it isn't as big as Trusova's (which not many jumps are anyway).
And "no flow" is simply not true. In this example Kihira has slightly better flow than Trusova. She skates better and accelerates more easily, resulting in shorter preparation time than Trusova. Also, she doesn't pause her rotation before jumping like Trusova does here. Also, she retains more of her speed out of the jump than Trusova. Etcetera etcetera.
Sure it's underrotated but that doesn't take away from the other qualities of the jump. And Trusova's wasn't fully rotated either.
@@o_._o123 what qualities are you babbling about? there's no height, no distance, no flow, no speed in and out. it's severely UNDERROTATED jump, close to be downgraded. with any fair judging it should be 4S< with a -3/-4 GOE. but since it's "strict" japanese judging, this crappy jump is called clean and the GOE's are positive.
there's nothing "efficient" about inability to rotate the jump (and i've never seen a clean quad from kihira, even all of her practice attempts that i've seen were underrotated)
what "good height" are you talking about? are you legit nuts? that's probably the tiniest "quad" that i've ever seen (among those that were called "clean" at competition), it's not even 50 cm high. it looks like a freaking triple! 11-12 yo girls are having more height on their quads, than kihira (even someone like akatieva or berestovskaya (who also have tiny jumps) when they were 12 yo, had bigger quads, not speaking of really amazing young jumpers like veronika zhilina). if this is a "good height" i wonder how the bad height should be looking.
and no kihira doesn't "accelerates" more easily, neither rotates faster than sasha. you telling a straight up lies! sahsa is one of the fastest rotators in the world, she has 5.5 - 5.6 RPS on most of her quads attempts. she's also one of the fastest ladies in the world, look up at any figure skating statistics. there's alot of figure skating blogs on the internet that have actual numbers, instead of crazy fantasies. if you look at the actual numbers it's clear as a day that kihira is not even close to sasha in any aspects of jumping or skating.
@@alexanderbakulin8836 There's less height. Saying there's "no height" is just a childish way of arguing. It's about 50 cm high. Quads of this height always satisfy the bullet point for good height. Trusova has jumped this high and gotten the points for it. Same goes for Zhilina.
Also, you say things that directly contradict what's evident in the video above. Kihira takes about a tenth of a second less than Trusova to complete four rotations. That means she rotates faster.
You shouldn't talk about "actual numbers" when they don't support your argument. And please don't direct people to "figure skating blogs on the internet". Even regardless of the numbers, drawing valid conclusions and using them to build arguments is really not that easy, as you demonstrated.
Finally, I didn't go into the other stuff because I notice you are a bit confused about what constitutes flow. It's not about who is the fastest. Speed and flow are very different things. It's best to read some judging manuals to learn about it. There's also a bunch of old ISU videos here on youtube that delve into the different skating skills you could watch.
@@o_._o123 the only thing that is evident in this video is that kihira doesn't complete anything. this "quad" is literally missing a half rotation. 0:38
instead of speaking "judging manuals' nonsense go and read some ISU manual that explains that the jump should be rotated in the air, not on the ice.
i understand that you probably a kihira fan, but there's nothing childish about saying the truth, that this is the tiniest quad ever called clean in competiton. this fake "quad" is even smaller than alysa liu's fake "quads". this is literally the smallest "quad" in 35 years history of quad jumps. which is entierly opposite of definition "good height".
Sasha gets so much height that she almost over rotates it every time which is why it looks wild on the landing. Once she can rein it in a little more it will look much more effortless. She's such a powerful jumper!
I think Trusova is a little more facing forward on the take off moment.
You mean pre rotates
As much as I love trusova and she's one of my fav skater you can clearly see in the slow mo that she rotates on the ice but I'm glad that she's improving with the help of plushenko unlike the other quadsters in russia
But I'm not saying rika quad sal it is a little bit ur but she can improve after all this is her first time landing it at a competition and she has perfect technique
Both of them rotated 180º on the ice before leaving it because the salchow jump has an up to 180º on ice rotation, because that's how the jump works. Same with loop and toe-loops.
i prefer Rika's！Her 4s was so smooth like Yuzuru Hanyu！！ but sasha's 4s is high！！Both of jumps are good！
Марина Россия3 i said「the process before her jump」！i know her jump is ur. im looking forward to watch her good 4s at next season！！
@Марина Россия3 She will be fine lol. She has very good technique so I can see her fully rotating the 4S soon...even if she doesn't it's possible she won't get called on the URs because some Russian skaters (I'm not talking about trusova, she has good technique and rotation) don't get called for their URs either.
@Марина Россия3 No, I see what you mean, and yeah Anna has been quite prone to UR, and international judges will be more harsh to her for sure than Rus judges, who give her very gracious scores and underscore trusova tbh. However, even I'm not sure if international judges will call Anna's URs lol so that's why I'm not sure if they will call Rika's either, for the sake of fairness.
@Марина Россия3 uhmm the fact that only anna is the only one who weren't called for her flutz in the wc this year lol. and not only that literally evgenia gets massive goe on her flutz. Literally after russia rigged sochi they're so selfish that they rigged the whole sport too. but I love alena but what they're doing is so wrong. this is why I will always love the mao, yuna and caro era everything was fair back then, legends like mao asada suffered greatly in that flutz, but skaters like anna and evgenia just get away with it lol.
@Марина Россия3 ohh do you follow figure skating??
Rikas is smooth, but Sacha has better "pop" to it
I like Rika's 4S it looks smoother (even with lesser time in take-off on her 4S) although at Jnats it looks like it's at the quarter mark. Sasha's 4S is cleaner in terms of rotation and maybe she can improve her flow of her 4S (mostly her entry and exit to the jump) but both are good skaters.
I agree about Rika being a bit under on the landing, but Trusova has major prerotation
@@legitlyspelunking both skaters prerotate 180 for the salchow tho? That’s the correct mark for this jump. The jumps which Sasha has a problem with prerotations r the toe pick jump (e.g. lutz/flip) but in this case, both her and rika’s technique is correct.
@@legitlyspelunking It looked like to me they rotated the same. 180 I think thats correct?
@@legitlyspelunking Salchow and loop jumps both have 180* prerotation 🤦♀️ people are really saying any dumb thing just to discredit Russians
@@legitlyspelunking trusova's quad sal is one of her highest jumps plus the salchow needs a half rotation to generate enough power to get into the air
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rika is so beautiful☺️
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Sasha is naturally strong. Nature did her best when creating Sasha. She was born to be an athlete. Look at her physique, at her muscles. On her figure, you need to sculpt statues.
Rika is such a beautiful skater I cant take my eyes of this queen 🔥
I honestly like both of them. Japanese Nationals was the first time Rika got to land it in competition while Sasha has been landing it for the last 3-4 months. #TeamSasha #TeamRika #4S 🇯🇵⛸🥇💖 🇷🇺⛸🥉💖
Actually Sasha landed her first 4S at some junior grand prix event
@@deryan3364 I know that. During her senior debut, she didn't land it all season except at the 2019 Japan Open.
@@gracewallisstudio Yes! It looks so effortless
Саша так закручивает 4ой,как лезвие. Дух захватывает. Молодец Александра. Успехов тебе на ЧМ.
Rikas is smooth and elegant & Sashas powerful and has great height!
Sorry but Sasha is on another level, even Yuzuru said she's a monster at quads! (When they were doing quads together)
well, she's the trailblazer when it comes to quads in ladies field, no wonder other skaters respect her!
The hight and the energy in sasha's jumps is from an other world!🔥🚀👑 But I like rika's one too🤍
У Рики есть недокрут небольшой, но, японские судьи на это глаза не закрыли и отметили в оценках, если пересмотреть программу. У Саши прыжок докручен, выше и четче. При чистом исполнении каждой можно уже будет о чем то говорить) ЧМ все покажет.
Rika makes it look effortless, and Sasha makes it look sensational. In terms of consistency I'd pick Rika, but Sasha's got that wow factor.
Rika’s consistency ?? Are you kidding ? She literally landed it 1 time in competition while it’s one of Sasha’s most consistent jumps 🤦♀️
У Трусовой четверной сальхов, конечно, намного лучше. Кихира только начала четверной сальхов делать. Оценки у японских судей были абсолютно реальные. Не нужно забывать, что Кихира довольно стабильно прыгает триксель. Так что она будет основной конкуренткой Трусовой на ЧМ, особенно в короткой программе. Будет интересно.
А недокрут У Кихиры никто не видит, интересно? В замедленном повторе он есть..
@@mak_ketty Естественно, есть недокруты. Поэтому я и написала про реальные оценки японских судей в отличие от оценок российских судей на местных соревнованиях, так сказать. Во всех устах в российских соцсетях "квады" Щербаковой не с ребер и не с зубцов и с преротациями,
оцениваемые российскими судьями с ГОЕ выше, чем у Натана Чена...
У Кихиры,скольжение лучше, прыжок, у Саши.
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Екатерина Мишина у нас только своих любят поливать грязью! А Кихира уже проигрывала и Алине, и ТЩК на всех международных стартах!
I prefer rika's 4s, it was her first time landing one in competition and it was so smooth, her technique is really good. I adore sasha but her landing look a bit rough to me
I feel like Sasha's quad sal landings have always been a little out of control, but they are huge so that might be the problem😂
@@skatergirl1247 yeah the height is no joke 😁
@@skatergirl1247 Rika's is bigger and more controlled than Sasha's.
@Ioseb Dzamukashvili Rika’s height isn’t bigger than Sasha’s imao
@@udkeljdkla1414 I said it about the jump's height.
Sasha 👍👍👍🥰🥰🥰❤❤❤ from korea
Tho Rika has smooth landing but Sasha 4s looks complete to me and got height. Sasha is the Quad Queen. Hope many female skaters dare to step up their game like Sasha did.
Rika's 4S looks more effortless 😍
他選手に比べて助走の短さよ！飛ぶぞ飛ぶぞ感が無くて最高❗️
Sasha: explosive and powerful 😄😄😄
Rika: calm and smooth 🙂🙂🙂
sasha: big and clean (a litlle overrotated even).
rika: tiny and underrotated.
Sasha's jumps are so exceptionnel
I love how excited the male Japanese commentator was XD
Team Kihira✨✨✨
Although both look promising, I prefer Trusova's 4S here. On one hand, Kihira's 4S has smoother landing and better posture at entry but it's not fully rotated (more UR than q IMO). Trusova's 4S, while wilder on landing and more "rush" on takeoff, is fully rotated. I will go with the one that is completely landed. The angles on those camera don't make it easy to compare both jumps' height and distance though, so I will just go out there and say both look good. On the other hand, Trusova's 4S fits into the music better. There is more flow in the performance, generally speaking. Kihira's music arrangement feels somewhat less coherent. Case in point, those bits leading to the 4S feel forced and abrupt. It gives off the impression that they are picked just for the jump, not the other way around. It doesn't help that she seems to drop the choreo to prepare for the jump.
Trusova's is better rotated in this video than Kihira's, but overall Kihira has a more graceful, seemingly effortless jump
Because she’s short of rotations. It would seem way less effortless if it was fully rotated
Rika’s seems underrotated 1/4 to me. So I choose Sasha
I see that, too, clearly
Fully agree
Same here
Honestly, I do not know if it is good for lady skating. Yes. Great to motivate them by giving them some point. However, giving point to most of them being underrotated may givr them wrong direction.... Sasha is so far the only one doing fully rotated onr. Another one is Elizabeth Tursubayeva from Kazakhstan for her quad Salchow, but she is injured till now sadly. Anyway, I am so looking forward to see the competition
Definitely Rika's 💓 so beautiful and effortless✨
Александра Трусова - "русская ракета" и королева четверных - дотянитесь до неё - всё это называется!!!
Мне кихирочка понравилась , так четко , быстро , легко , молодец !!!
С недокрутом
Sasha all the way 💗💗
Trusova 😍❤️
Do we have to choose? I mean both were amazing
I like Rika´s more. More elegant and smooth.
Sasha Trusova Quad Queen forever
Конечно Саша
Couldn't tell much difference between the jumps but--I really liked the Japanese commentating!
Honestly Sasha one is more full rotated. But great to see Kihira intro it
Rika's is really nice and smooth but it's also around a quarter under :(
I love them both. But Rika’s looks at least a q to me. I believe she will be able to land better quads in future!
I love both. but rika's jump is elegant
紀平選手の4S、羽生選手に似ていますね👴⛸🇯🇵🏯👏👏🤗🐭
@@N.G.Gonbei 文章を熟読してスロー映像を見直して納得しました。紀平選手のサルコウは右足の振り上げ感がやや薄く左足をトゥループのように効かせてますね。人によって単独のサルコウとトゥループの見分けがつきにくい場合がたまにあります。ただ紀平選手の流れはキレイなサルコウの流れなので言われるまで分かりませんでした。でも美しいジャンプだと思います。映像ではトゥルソワ選手の方がサルコウ感がはっきりしてますね。
僕の解釈間違ってないでしょうか？でもよくそんな事気づきますね。またロシアの選手のジャンプで疑問に思う事があるので教えて下さい。
@@N.G.Gonbei レスありがとうございました。文章とリンク、ガッツリ見させて貰いました。納得です。4回転ともなると体幹の締めをより強く速くしないといけないので、サルコウ感が分かりにくい（僕みたいなにわかには）のかな？（笑）個人的には三原選手の3Sが空中で脚がハの字になってこれぞサルコウです。（笑）
ついでで申し訳ないけど教えて下さい。映像のトゥルソワ選手の4S-3Tの連続ジャンプを見て思うのですが、ロシアの（特にエテリ組）女子選手のジャンプの着氷時の流れで左足の振り方が前から後ろに真っ直ぐフォロスルーします（後ろ蹴りみたいに）。日本人選手やトゥルソワ選手は後ろ回し蹴りみたいに孤を描いて左足をフォロスルーします。この真っ直ぐフォローは「詰まりジャンプ」でも流れがきれいに見えてある意味 魅せテクかなと思うのですが、連続ジャンプの時に1stジャンプの回転モーメントが失速して2ndジャンプへの流れが悪く見えます。特にワリエワ、シェルバコワ選手は間にタメや助走みたいなのが強く入ってジャンプシークェンスみたいにすら見えます。このトゥルソワ選手には感じません。この辺どうなんでしょう？
あとシェルバコワ選手の3Lz-3Loですがジャンプ間で左足が氷に着いてますね。あれってアウトでは？
にわかの素朴な疑問です。他で書いてもレスポンスないので教えて下さい。
紀平さんはどちらかというとハビエルに似てませんか？入りもですし右足の感じも
Sasha❤ She is Amazing ❤
I mean Rika did not fully rotate her Sal. And had only 1 good attempt. Which was underrotated. Is there any question whose Sal is better? If one of contestants haven’t even landed a clean 1 yet.
Конечно Трусова.
I prefer Sasha
Sasha 💝
Rika's jumps are beautiful. She is such a gorgeous skater.
Sasha, great!
Trusova jumped much higher than Rika. That looks more beautiful.
TRUSOVA SUPERSTAR
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Сколько Кихире лет интересно? Конечно молодцы и та и другая,браво!!!
Ей 18 лет
Both are good but different, RIka focuses more on efficient rotation while Sasha relies more on height. Though I love how some people are saying that Rika underrotates her 4S because she doesn't prerotate as much as Sasha. If you count the rotations they completed in air, Rika has slightly more than 3.25 while Sasha has more than 3.5. And the amount of prerotation is actually quite similar if you count from the moment they lower their body, Sasha just takes off from a deeper edge on her left foot and has a longer take-off curve.
梨花の足が前から後ろに切り替えた直後にジャンプした！まるで3Sの助走
Sasha’s landing is a little bit unstable,I’m not sure is because over-routed or any other reason 🤷♀️
&She has almost 1/2 pre-rotation.But she has powerful jump & high.
Rika’s entry is perfect & fast like 3S,but she has to be careful with her take-off might be judged as “Less than quarter missing” or “Landed on the quarter”.It look very smooth because her skill is good!
But you know that 1/2 pre-rotation is absolutely fine with salchow, right? Rika an Alexandra has literally same pre-rotation
Olesya But I hope the pre-rotation could be as less as possible. It might help she improves her landing.
That’s not a very big problem,but I think she has good skill to be better.
(Everybody know that ISU doesn’t care about any other pre-rotation🌚)
Same as Rika,her take-off isn’t the best now,but I also hope she jump better than better.
Bruh going from kihira's calm and angelic and graceful program to trusova's explosive aggressive and energetic program gave me a whiplash
I think Sasha is slightly better, more height and power, while Rika is a little underrotated but looks more effortless.
I liked Rika’s landing and air position better. It looked more fluid.
I love that a bonus for Sasha's quad is her old 4S+3T while for Rika's - her new coach ;)
Rika the best quad salkhow!
LOL it's 4S
It´s crearly underotated
У Саши скорость высокая, Рика еле катает
Love both of them i wish rika or sasha to be world champion this year😂
Кихира милашка ... золото чм19 должно быть у неё.. Рика и Саша, две трудолюбивые девочки.. другие сдаются, а Рика трудится наращивая тех.базу) все берут пример с Саши )
Странно, что человек, который пишет на русском, болеет за японку при наличии таких фигуристок как Трусова и Щербакова.
@@DukRishele за Щербакову есть кому поболеть.. её и холят, и лелеют.. федра и т.д. А Рика милая девочка, не вызывает неприязни..
Это понятно, что у Саши лучший тех.контент.. , но как бы судьи компы считают не менее важными.. , а Саша в компах прибавила очень здорово
@@МарияЛапатина Etot kontent nuzno cisto otkatatj.Ja dumaju sto Anecka sdelajet i budet pervaja.Ocenj hotelosj bi.
Rika’s is similar to Javier’s and Sasha’s is to Yuzu’s.
Саша!!!!
Rika has much better posture and the flow is much better. Trusova has wonderful height
plushenko and her ac have been working on Sashas posture and flow! I would def check out the videos of the improvements that have been made you'll be impressed!
Truzova 👏👍
トゥル様はプレロテがなくなれば完璧よな
I love the sound of skates coming off the ice when they jump into the air and land back idk why haha
sasa ist best
Rika's looked underrotated.
Sasha looks prerotated.
@@L.Spencer both are pre-rotated :)
Kihira rika~~
I’m not sure if Kihira’s 4S was under rotated 🤔
To me it should be at least a q
у Рики сальхов очень хорош,но у Саши на полкатка пролета и такой высоченный
Sasha🛐🤸♀️
사샤는 사샤에게 강력한 에너지를 가지고 있습니다.
У Кихиры красивее, так легко и непринужденно.
Sasha forever
Да к чему же этот ролик, кто-то в курсе?
Рудковская старается! Реклама,двигает торговлю!?🤔Или обмен, а (по-деревенски) кражу!😀
Голосуй чей прыжок больше нравится. Пока счет 220:206 в пользу Саши.
@@ОльгаИльина-е1б у вас паранойя... Вам уже везде Рудковская мерещится....
Sasha! Sasha! Sasha!
Although Trusova at the moment has problems with 4S.
Alexandra had better 4S than Kihira, that landed one time in competitions.
Саша! Без вариантов!!!
Rica's 4s look similar to Javier Fernandez in the way they fly
both
SASHA'S HEIGHT GOSH!
まあどっちもすごいわ。。。
I like Kamila’s and Sasha’s Salchow
If Rika would just hook the takeoff edge another 1/4 turn, she would get quite a bit more torque and the same amount of prerotation Trusova gets and she would not squeeze the last 1/4 revolution sometimes. Trusovas is more powerful but Kihira's could be if she hooked the takeoff a bit more. Rika lands it nicer with more flow than Trusova....
Rika 4s 180 underrotation
now it names lands nicer and more flow?)
Rika's sal is definitely under (near downgrade) and Sasha's is higher, sooo... Btw, it is the only quad that I like from Trusova
It is not near downgrade. But I would at the quarter. Rika's was more effortless and smooth, but not as rotated as Sasha's. While Sasha had amazing height and power, but the landing was not as clean. But both have very impressive attempts.
It was nowhere near downgrade. I would've given it a Q.
@@chrisresuta6675 she first touches the ice when her toe is parallel to the board (?). It is under, not a quarter at all.
ппфф конечно Саша легче и круче смотрится! Да и вообще! Кто задал ритм? Наши! Сравнивают они
Rika UR
Is Rika Kihira the oldest woman to land a quad?
no. Rika Kihira was born in 2002. She jumped 4S at the age of 16-17. The oldest women to complete multiple quadruple jumps were Trusova and Shcherbakova at the Olympics, they were almost 18 years old. Shcherbakova, who completed 4F+3T and 4F, was 17 years and 10 months old. Trusova performed 5 quadruple jumps at the Olympics and two 4 lutz jumps in the second half of the program when she was 17 years and 7 months old. I don't understand why people tend to insult Russian athletes for looking like disposable cups and curdled milk (David Lees said this). Didn't Rika Kihira retire as soon as she turned 18?
@@levinsky3597 You actually don't know what you're talking about. Rika Kihira landed a quad salchow at the 2020 Japanese National Championships when she was 18 years old and 6 months which is older than "almost 18". Also, Rika Kihira is not retired. She's been out for a season due to a stress fracture and was ineligible for the Olympics because of it but she's currently training for the next season. Whether she announces her retirement any time soon remains to be seen. As far as I know this makes Rika Kihira the oldest woman to land a quad in competition. However, I now know Elizaveta Tuktamysheva and Miki Ando have landed quads in practice while in their 20s. I have nothing against Trusova and Shcherbakova and in fact, I think Trusova's skills regarding quads are amazing but to state they are the oldest ladies to land quads in competition is just factually wrong.
@@gracehetfield5331 ну это чемпионат японии, а это олимпийские игры. Это внутреннее соревнование, а это международное соревнование. Я уверен, что Трусова и в 20 будет прыгать свои квады. Так что все равно, официально самые старшие трусова и анна
@@levinsky3597по итогу в двадцать она ничего уже прыгнуть не сможет 😢
kihira's jump techniques are much better than Trusova's
Ну как можно сравнивать берёзу с осиной? Разве что обе - дерево!
Rika KIHIRA가 좀 더 부드럽네 여기선. TRUSOVA도 대단함..