Dallas Mccarver's testosterone during the autopsy was 550ng/ml. Take in mind, that's ML not DL. It's equivalent to 55,000ng/dl. Normal range in a regular young male is about 270-1070 ng/dl......
@@jezzdogg6857 hi mate do you think steroids know what date it is expires on a Sunday then it won't work on the Monday it works for a long time after the date of the box. Even big company just sell off all the expired steroids to 3td would country after the date as gone mate.
@@pandahsykes602 I will never use steroids but to all my friends who have thought of that I say, start with 250 Test E, you will see if you have the genetics for this. Half the people at my gym on roids are bloated, acne - yea they have "big" muscles but... not a good physique. You can cruise on 250mg T your whole life and probably not have any side effects, low dosage is the way to go - you have the best "natural" body, not so much work.
@MegaSkilla they are legal in other countries and you can buy them over the counter. You don't get much liver damage and so on easy, drinking and smoking is far worse, their both pure posion to the body.
It's a damn shame everyone is on peds in the olympia. The only way for it to survive is go to natural. With every on something it just makes them not legit, they're cheating everyone
@@ryu-ken hahaa lmfao! Your joking me right 😂 Go natural, do you know how boring that would be and apart from that no-one would want to sponcer people and no-one would even go to see it. There is no rules in bodybuilding so there is no cheating, you can get as big and ripped how ever. I honistly can't believe you even made that comment 🤭
Exactly! They love to lie for more reason to brag about how superior they are. "I'm just so fucking big because i train better, eat better and have better genetic. SMFH! A very narcissistic sport or hobby, don't give these shallow self obsessed "athletes" a bigger head than they already have.
Nobody wants to believe them about their steroid dosages, most people are ignorant and can't believe anyone can get big like that taking those dosages they think only extreme dosages of steroids is the way to success, "WRONG" it's genetics, very hard training, eat a lot of quality foods and rest, you can take 10,000 mg of testosterone and 50 IU of growth hormone a day and will never look like them because you don't have the genetics and the balls to train hard and have discipline, one example is Bostin Bostin Loyd taking about 3,000 mg of test a week and 1,000 mg of Deca a week plus other kinds and look at him he is a mediocre Bodybuilder far from being a Pro so if it is the gear what you think makes you a pro then why isn't Bostin Loyd a Pro Bodybuilder?🤔🤔🤔🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
@@mazocco parabolin (tren hex) was from 1980 to 1997, tren was very much a thing. I can not remember where but I distinctly recall Dorian Yates discussing it and how he never went over 2 grams total injectables (it was an interview at a convention).
@LeRoy Sinclair-Blaha I'm inclined to believe you because i knew a pro who competed in the mr.o late 2000's. Very popular, forncompetion purposes he ran 3000 mg of angiogenic and 3000mg of anabolic with 10 iu of GH daily several months out from the show and reduced that number leading up to the show. This doesn't include T3, clen, slin, DNP. But to his credit he had phenomenal genetics. I know this to be true. I dont really know the science behind it or his logic. But i know the guy grew into shows. And i worked. Pros are now lyinabout dosage to make them self appear like they're super here's. Back in the 90s and early 2000s you were told real numbers and people went ape shit and said they were killing them self. Then with the recent death of Dallas, his testosterone and Tren levels were through the roof. Which reconfirmed nothing changed, just the lies
I've never been a fan of the actual sport of bodybuilding. But I admire bodybuilders work ethic and discipline. I also always admired the fact that many bodybuilders were/are willing to talk about gear usage and cycles (not always openly). I wish strength athletes (powerlifters, strongmen, Olympic lifters) would discuss their cycles. Many will amongst themselves. But never willing to do it even anonymously on interviews or chats.
Correction: Bostin only ever used 1g of tren a week, which is unbelievable. And his arm is fine, just a bad water based winstrol shot into the lunar nerve that blew his arm up 5x the size lol. It went back down after a day and a hospital visit. But again Bostin blew up so young and so fast, if he would have taken his time, not blew his midsection out with all the insulin and ultra high HGH over multiple years, he may have been turning pro in the future, but he got super wreckless
Nobody wants to believe them about their steroid dosages, most people are ignorant and can't believe anyone can get big like that taking those dosages they think only extreme dosages of steroids is the way to success, "WRONG" it's genetics, very hard training, eat a lot of quality foods and rest, you can take 10,000 mg of testosterone and 50 IU of growth hormone a day and will never look like them because you don't have the genetics and the balls to train hard and have discipline, one example is Bostin Bostin Loyd taking about 3,000 mg of test a week and 1,000 mg of Deca a week plus other kinds and look at him he is a mediocre Bodybuilder far from being a Pro so if it is the gear what you think makes you a pro then why isn't Bostin Loyd a Pro Bodybuilder?🤔🤔🤔🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Test was just a base for the massive amount of other drugs. 500 test a week will give someone who is new to gear an impressive amount of gains if the training is right.
I've been training for 4 years, recently started 250mg test only and gained 6 kg. Once the weight stops climbing I'll move to 300. 500 is overkill for a first cycle imo
@@t800-t4c at the moment mate I'm not sure ultimately it will depend on my blood results. Although, with that being said, I am seriously considering TRT for life. So I'll drop the dose to TRT and have the appropriate tests to see where I'm at. To me cycling fully in and fully off seems too much of a yo-yo way to live. Small doses then drop to TRT aka blast and cruise. I'll only do mini "blasts" though. Drugs of choice only ever being masteron, primobolin and anavar. Keeping on top of the HDL and LDL levels etc. I'm paying for a very experienced coach to see me through this process. For context; Im 30 years old so, I'm not young, but not old either haha
@@dleigh9997 yeah. Chances are they used about the dosages shown. But they all adjusted those dosages higher depending on feel at least in the off season
They where all honest dude, these guys are superhuman. There are 7billion people on this planet just accept that some of them are going to be far superior to you genetically.
Just a note to add. I remember reading an article on MD featuring dorian where he said he had experimented with dosages upwards of 2.5 grams a week, although he said the sides seemed to outweigh the benefits. So he has done more than he presented, but I don’t think he’s bs’ing with his stated dosages in the video.
Wow! Believe it or not there was a time when bodybuilders considered themselves the healthiest people on the planet. One of the reasons for taking up bodybuilding was to avoid being in a position where medication was required, let alone take drugs to become a better bodybuilder. But the competitive look has changed a lot from a hundred years ago.
Ronnie’s dosages where way higher, everybody knows that... he was on at least 5 grams/week + at least 50 units of hgh + 50 of insulin, plus let’s not forget the notorious IGF2, which he was introduced to by Chas Nichols who coached at the time he won his first Mr.Olympia title (and which is basically the one that probably allowed him the incredible improvement between the 1997 edition where he placed 9th and had a completely different physique)
@@hittman1412 at the time I happened to work for a professional bodybuilder (as a coach in his gym) who attented the Mr.O edition in 1998 when Ronnie won his first title… he paid at the time 800$ for a 10’ private conversation where they “exchanged experiences”
Thank god this vids only ten mins! I scrolled by it the first time saying this cids prob an hour long 🙄. Then I just saw it was 10 mins! 👍🏻. Good content man just keep the vids under 15 mins. That way we can catch em while on the shitter nice and quick
I just don't think most of these guys were being honest, sorry.I believe the chris cormier one because of the crazy high halo dose, though. Maybe some were honest though. Mike Libertore, a men's open IFBB guy who was competing in the early 2000s, wrote a few articles on this that seemed far more realistic. The gist of it was basically 1.2g-2g test and 500-1g deca or eq with slin/gh in the offseason and orals for the guys who can handle them. Then precontest around 8-12 weeks out tren mast and test prop all around 500-700 each per week. This is completely consistent with what Jordan Peters guys who are winning pro shows are posting on his private forum and with what the guys on Fouad Abiad's podcast have been saying. I don't buy the idea that the guys in the 90s used only 500-750 test and some deca and winny but only 6-8 weeks out. There's also a lot of protocols floating around on the net from very good prep coaches like matt porter and AJ sims that are consistent with this. But I don't know of anyone in modern times who's getting up to 250+ on stage with precontest cycles of 200mg/wk deca, a gram of test, and 300mg of primo or whatever.
I agree with you, most bodybuilders will always downsize the true amounts they take to make it seem like they have unbelievable genetics. it's a vanity sport and all of them wanna make it seem like they are the best. quite similar to fake natties claiming they are natty just a little more honest with even admitting to taking drugs. If you wanna check out a bodybuilder that's actually honest on dosages you can look up Seth Feroce - he trained with Hany Rambod and he actually gives an example cycle of what he took.
@@hatilmatogan Yes I saw some of his steroid videos as well, but I didn't see the one where he details precontest cycles he did with Hany. Which one was it? Guys in the 90s could lie about "a bit of primo and some winstrol" because there was no internet with people telling the truth. Coleman is definitely a huge liar here; he worked with Chad and there's at least one offseason protocol from chad floating around the internet and it includes tons of test, gh, and insulin.
@@VastChoirs It was a video where he laid out an example cycle on a drawing board and he talked about doses he experimented with, much more similar to to the amounts you would expect a serious bodybuilder to take.
Yeah the guys nowadays are also bigger. Avg body weight is up at least 20lbs.. except ronnie. And even the top pros say ronnie is "special". One thing you fail to understand is the bottom line is GENETICS and you don't got em
@Black_Eye 99.9% of people would get very little results from these dosages. But we are talking about ELITE genetics. These guys look like they are on steroids in their first year of lifting naturally. It's very possible for alot of them (maybe not all)
Lee priest only started using when he was 19 (when he turned bro) and was always against steroid use. I believe what lee says. He’s been training since 13, he’s only 5’4 and he has insane genetics. His cycles were always low
@roger kle brother rodger I'm in my late fifties where talking when the drugs were real and not illegal who knows what's in the stuff today you didnt have to take alot
Admitting to use is one thing, but admitting to using the sheer amount they actually did is another thing entirely. I can almost guarantee that these guys doses are probably double what they actually say they were.
I wouldn’t say the pro’s are Bullshitting. Bare in mind most of them gave interviews anonymously at that time. So they had nothing to hide but their identities. Also the gear back then was all big pharma grade and no back street boiler garage room Chem factories with watered down and possibly toxic drugs. The physiques today are not that much bigger and certainly not better than the 80’s to mid 90’s guys, but the modern athlete dosages are much higher. I would conclude that the quality of the gear and the physiques overall has declined from the symmetry and the grainy dense quality we saw from those guys back in the 80’s and 90’s. I’m sure that some of them took far more than they admitted too, but in relative terms of quality the guys today using low grade pharmaceuticals would have to be naturally using more to get the same or similar results as their predecessors. I can tell you as fact, the gear back then was quality. The stuff on the open market today unless you can legitimately track it’s whereabouts is at best not going to be of a consistently high quality and at worst could do you more harm than good, or even mess up your endocrine system for life. Steroids aren’t bad, it’s just that sometimes they are made by bad people and sold to an ignorant public. Always get your stuff tested and then you won’t need to put your health at risk or take too much to get good gains. People need to remember that no matter what you do, or who you are, or how good your genetics, if you overstep the mark with steroids, your system will shutdown no matter what you do. Also if the likes of Lee Haney, Dorian Yates and Ronnie Coleman Managed to father children, then the steroids they took never shut them down permanently. Which begs the question how much is too much? Answer! That all depends on the individual. And let’s not forget Ronnie was up to Olympia level and still natural and so was Kai Green. Then they took the gear and the rest was history. Just let that sink in.
These guys are being honest. Out of 7 billion people you are going to have some genetic anomalies. Individuals so impressive by some narrow measure that there performance is unbelievable.
Nobody wants to believe them about their steroid dosages, most people are ignorant and can't believe anyone can get big like that taking those dosages they think only extreme dosages of steroids is the way to success, "WRONG" it's genetics, very hard training, eat a lot of quality foods and rest, you can take 10,000 mg of testosterone and 50 IU of growth hormone a day and will never look like them because you don't have the genetics and the balls to train hard and have discipline, one example is Bostin Bostin Loyd taking about 3,000 mg of test a week and 1,000 mg of Deca a week plus other kinds and look at him he is a mediocre Bodybuilder far from being a Pro so if it is the gear what you think makes you a pro then why isn't Bostin Loyd a Pro Bodybuilder?🤔🤔🤔🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Thank you for this important discussion of past stars in bodybuilding. It is quite eye opening. Some of these guys were walking chemistry labs. 😔 Moving on to the present day--Does anyone really think a guy like Big Ramy is just doing minimum cycles when he makes the rest of the present day competitors look small? I fear for the long term health of present day IFBB Pros at the highest ranks of the Open Bodybuilding category. At some point it's just going to get to a point where it's unsustainable. The IFBB should crack the whip and start coming down on this, but they won't because the craziness of the Open category is the one that brings in the money, and the IFBB values that over the longterm wellbeing of the competitors. It's really quite sad. This great sport should be about bodybuilding and weight training as a health and fitness lifestyle.
After years of seeing these monsters if they went all natural the sport would crumble. Even the “natural” classes aren’t natural. If the world was serious about PEDs in sports then you wouldn’t ever break a powerlifting record again, we’d see a lot less weight lifted in the worlds strongest man, and bodybuilding would be filled with Jeff Cavalier types (except for all we know even he may not be natural either). Imagine if the NFL was serious about it too and we no longer saw 280 lb linebackers and they were replaced with 220 lbs backs? It would fundamentally change the game.
It’s really strange that anabolic steroids have such limited access in the US. I really don’t understand why it was singled out and made impossible to get compared to all of the other drugs out there readily available that are worse for you.
I know Lee, he has always spoken openly about low dose cycles, him using 1 ml of sus250 a week was typical, his genetics and and ability to train intensely should be considered as well
All of these guys are lying (though Chris Cormier I concede was a bit more realistic than the rest). Yes genetics are everything, but pharma gear now is just as good as good as pharma gear was then, and everybody today takes massive quantities. Back then they were taking almost as much as guys are now (and frankly more HGH and insulin and peptides and such are the biggest difference between then and today, not more AAS). Genetics is the difference between being unable to do more than place at a few regional shows vs. competing at the men's open this weekend. Better genetics does not mean you take 1-2g of gear and barely touch HGH and insulin and are placing in the top 10 at the Olympia regardless. That is completely ridiculous. And yes, all of these people have plenty of incentive to lie. They have egos surrounding perpetuating a godly genetics image (not just relative to normal people and casual lifters but compared to other pros who are also lying with the same complex). They have incentive to not feel bad about revealing dangerous usage amounts that impressionable young guys are sure to try and emulate. And hell, many of these interviews were while they were still active competing; why would you be honest and effectively reveal to the other competitors what you're taking? You'd lose an massive informational advantage. Of course you'd lie to the downside to intimidate your competition about your "genetics" and possibly even dupe some sucker into emulating you and being less competitive. It's interesting to hear what these guys say they took and see it compiled, but please take what you see and hear with a pound of salt people. None of these guys took these amounts. Don't be naive.
Downplaying the dosages they used is just a SOP so as to appear them not being drug addicts, not saying they didn't train NOR diet hard, but to downplay the dosages to that level of extent is just laughable.
Gabriel Kok agreed. They trained and dieted their asses off for sure, and they were cream of the crop in terms of genetic talent to boot. They also used helluva lot more drugs than they admit here, and that’s fine.
@@pandahsykes602 "Your comment is a perfect epitome of why you will always be an average joe" Lol, looking at your fatceps pic I have a far better physique than you so not sure how that works exactly ;). Yes, genetics matter tremendously. Yes, these people were all significantly downplaying what they took for the intuitive reasons that I described. No, these statements are not mutually exclusive. Try and keep up.
I forget the interview (possibly withPalumbo) but Yates stated he took 16ius of GH on Mon/Wed/Fri. He said that protocol gave him better results than doing 8ius daily
Dallas used too much too soon, and steroids was just not for him, he already had some predisposition for some diseases... Taking insane amounts of roids of course would kill him.
According to the other bodybuilders, he was pretty lazy. I think it was Shawn Ray that said if he had Paul Dillett’s genetics, he would have been Mr Olympia already.
I believe Lee Priest for sure. The guy is an open book. No reason for him to lie. Just a great responder. Same for Chris Cormier. Kinda realistic cycle. He is also a no bullshit talker. I'm not sure about the UGL and pharma difference. I've seen labresults on first hand of 99.9% purity of UGL test, deca, var, etc. But thats my country (NL)
No pro bodybuilder would ever tell their actual dose and drug regimen to the world. The drugs are their livelihood. Anyone can eat or train like them, the delta in the equation is knowing what drugs to stack to get the edge. These were probably the doses they took when they were starting competing as amateurs in local shows. I am from southern California and I had a friend who was a steroid dealer that was also my training partner who used to deal to many people; some of his clients were IFBB pros which included Gunter and Brandon Curry. Back in 2008, before Brandon won the Mr. USA and got his pro card he was taking a mix of about 5 grams of different steroids. Now that he became Mr. Olympia, I can't imagine he would be taking less than he was before he was even a pro.
I'd be inclined to say to Lee Priest is not telling the truth. Because all the other guys are taking more an competing at the same level. But idk maybe he just needs less because he's smaller.
Dorian said he was taking 4iu daily and saw no gains...Then he just doubled asap to 9iu and that was the sweet spot....plus other things not mentioned in this video
Marcus Z is it genetics though? I mean people seem to share these guys have prime genetics, BUT they only get this big because of the benefits of their gear. Take away their gear, would you still think their genetics are prime? Because it’s quite obvious they would look completely different without the gear.
Yournextdoorgamer withgames, your response to the drugs is part of your genetics. It’s like saying Jordan was a great basketball player because he was tall not because of his genetics. He’s tall because of his genetics. Yea if you take the drugs away the hormonal levels needs to maintain that amount of muscle would go and so would the muscle. King Kamali is a good example of a guy who could’ve never been a good natural bodybuilder but his response to the drugs was next level.
Dennis Newmancontracted leukemia from the excess growth hormone he was taking I read this in a magazine that was a personal interview of Dennis Newman I'm pretty sure he wasn't only taking 4 IUs at a pop. His doctor said he got leukemia from the growth hormone.that would be the lowest dosage in history that you would get something like that from if he did.
I don’t get how they get away using steroids. Like isn’t the point of them competing to showcase natural bodies? why reward steroid users that obtain gains that cannot be achieved naturally
I kinda do believe them because all the stuff they would have used back then would of been legit pharmaceutical strength so you don’t have to use as much as these days.
Damn how do you keep track of all those different dosages of a dizzying array of different drugs taken at different times of the day and week? Then take into account your super specific diet and...actual training at least twice a day. No wonder these guys have to have their whole lives wrapped around bodybuilding to become successful.
Nothing special. You feel more agressive. Every little thing is anoying to you that normally wouldn't be. You start to feel that you are better/stronger/more worth than other humans. But remember, that is not you and you'r emotions.
It's aggravating...I did roids for just three weeks years ago...had to quit...could no longer drive without wanting to kill my fellow drivers...every thought about violence...pure hell..don't envy these drug addicts
Derek obviously most the guys calling bullshit have crappy genetics. Personally i am a hyper responder. At 15 I weighed 180 and next school year was 210 at 16. Was 3 months. No I didnt take roids. Didnt need to. Now Im 40 its different but genetics are EVERYTHING
Pro Aussie BB was trained in 2005 and 2006 by a former IFBB champion and legend of the 90’s and early 2000’s . The Pro read his journal history - 1 was comp diet , off comp diet and drug book - comp and drugs non comp. The most the “legend used was 750mg of test ……. And some orals …….. 1 clew , great aesthetics. He said all the pro guys take the same stuff . Genetics are the key . My Aussie mate said he knows locals in gym that take 4000 mg test week with orals and igf1. Lol the Legend said if you can’t grow on 750mg and some orals you ain’t ever going to grow……….
The doses of drugs are higher among Bodybuilders now, but the drugs now are not as effective because the labs producing the drugs are continuously cutting corners to save money. The quality of gear most guys can get their hands on is just lower quality now
G no he isn’t. He’s one of the first pros to openly admit to steroids and got banned from competing for being so honest so why the fuck would he lie about his doses? You just can’t believe it because your genetics are shit
GH15 was Nasser. He said Presit was lying about the doses because BB love to same some circle jerk about genetics. He said multiply all the doses by 4 or anything those guys say.
@@TheSuperSwain No one. NO ONE gets to IFBB levels with 1 gram of gear. No matter how good their genetics are. Look up GH15. GH15 isn't Nasser but he is credible.
Richard III bull shit. I literally do 1 cycle a year when I cut and I get to sub 10% bf at 220 ish at 5’10 and my genetics are pretty average, so I’m sure someone with elite genetics that’s does gear all year and a bit of gh can get to pro level with a gram of gear.
Doesnt include diuretics and only one admitted to cytomil. Stimulants and diuretics are prep touch ups....possible plasma expanders as well. 90s was also the era of synthol , sun tan oil. There are also other undisclosed preps and rituals such as shots of vodka to dry out etc.
are øverland everyone here looks like the total opposite you dumbfuck, he’s a former MR OLYMPIA. Nobody is even close to him. Everyone chill out, it’s just my personal opinion, I don’t like Dorian’s physique, I prefer the physiques of the 70’a
Because Dallas' body wasn't as responsive to the drugs as these guys. Everyone reacts differently, some people make incredible gains off next to nothing with shit diet and half arsed training, others will do everything right take a load of gear and still not look as good. Genetics is not just used to describe muscle bellys, structure and symmetry but also chemical response.
I think the UGL dosing can be higher mg per ml can help guys take higher doses. Ive read 400mg/ml and higher. Before all the ugl stuff nothing more than 250mg/ml and alot of vet stuff back then that was used was 50mg/ml. Also many guys make their own gear which can be made really cheap, so the cost of high doses isnt as high as past era's.
Dan smith Pharmaceutical companies have million dollar machines that can break a hormone raw down to the smallest dalton weight. Meaning you get the most out of that hormone at the similar dose. Same concept as Winstrol vs injectable Winstrol. Same dosage but much difference in effects. Or even meth and cocaine. Pro coaches will not let some guys take anything but pharma Deca. Organon has a patent on their Deca Durabolin. They’d come after anyone who copies their blue print. Anyone can make Nandrolone Decanoate but it won’t be to the quality of Deca Durabolin with out high end pharmaceutical machines.
Are they all lying? Or do you think most modern protocols circulating in the community are just over the top? Discuss.
Ofcourse lying
Why would they lie? If they are already admitting using many steroids, what would be the point in lying about specific substances or doses?
Chad is known to use significantly higher doses- So I doubt thats the case for Ronnie
felipe, because they are trying to discourage young kids going crazy with the stuff.
peta, ronnie used that prior to 2002. in 2003 he jumped his dosages and became a monster.
Dallas Mccarver's testosterone during the autopsy was 550ng/ml. Take in mind, that's ML not DL. It's equivalent to 55,000ng/dl. Normal range in a regular young male is about 270-1070 ng/dl......
SUH DUDE woah goddamn
Wtffff
and if my memory is good the autopsy talk about his heart nearly 3 time the weight of the heart of a man natty....
Abhishek Sathe holy fuck
Holly fuck!!!
So how many grams of test was he injecting per week to reach those levels? Does anybody know?
Big lennys stack
Everything under the sun. 1 year expired
😂😂😂😂 i guess thats the secret let it expire then blast
Will expired stuff not work?
@@jezzdogg6857 hi mate do you think steroids know what date it is expires on a Sunday then it won't work on the Monday it works for a long time after the date of the box. Even big company just sell off all the expired steroids to 3td would country after the date as gone mate.
@@jezzdogg6857 It will still work, they just can't guarantee the quality of it after a certain time.
He looks so unhealthy.
Professional bodybuilder: 400 Test, 200 Deca, 50 Drol
Forum noob: 3g Test, 1g Tren, 30 Superdrol
@@pandahsykes602 I will never use steroids but to all my friends who have thought of that I say, start with 250 Test E, you will see if you have the genetics for this. Half the people at my gym on roids are bloated, acne - yea they have "big" muscles but... not a good physique. You can cruise on 250mg T your whole life and probably not have any side effects, low dosage is the way to go - you have the best "natural" body, not so much work.
Bruh if you think professionals aren't banging at least a gram of test a week you're crazy lol
@Jason Striation actually 2-3 grams of test can be more mild than 400 of 5 different compounds.(400 each of course)
@@WetPig thats considered low?
@@MACA_Zeon Normal dose.
ur starting to look like u skip head day
Oh my god this made me laugh
Loooooool
kamil head his unusually tiny
Growth will fix that....
Reverse funko pop?
I wish steroids were legal and scientists could do alot more research on these compounds.
@MegaSkilla they are legal in other countries and you can buy them over the counter.
You don't get much liver damage and so on easy, drinking and smoking is far worse, their both pure posion to the body.
It's a damn shame everyone is on peds in the olympia. The only way for it to survive is go to natural. With every on something it just makes them not legit, they're cheating everyone
@@ryu-ken hahaa lmfao!
Your joking me right 😂
Go natural, do you know how boring that would be and apart from that no-one would want to sponcer people and no-one would even go to see it.
There is no rules in bodybuilding so there is no cheating, you can get as big and ripped how ever.
I honistly can't believe you even made that comment 🤭
Ryu Ken dude.....what? It’s been around since the 60s and every Olympian on that stage was using.
@MegaSkilla So that's why Ronnie Coleman went on the Joe Rogan podcast and said he never took anything that wasn't prescribed?
these guys tend to deny and lie to themselves about how much they used, they dont want to admit they are pharmaceutical freaks.
Exactly! They love to lie for more reason to brag about how superior they are. "I'm just so fucking big because i train better, eat better and have better genetic. SMFH! A very narcissistic sport or hobby, don't give these shallow self obsessed "athletes" a bigger head than they already have.
LeRoy Sinclair-Blaha But do you have tests otherwise you are wrong.
Nasser El Sonbaty called Dave Palumbo a drug monster. Some people were known to do more than others
Nobody wants to believe them about their steroid dosages, most people are ignorant and can't believe anyone can get big like that taking those dosages they think only extreme dosages of steroids is the way to success, "WRONG" it's genetics, very hard training, eat a lot of quality foods and rest, you can take 10,000 mg of testosterone and 50 IU of growth hormone a day and will never look like them because you don't have the genetics and the balls to train hard and have discipline, one example is Bostin Bostin Loyd taking about 3,000 mg of test a week and 1,000 mg of Deca a week plus other kinds and look at him he is a mediocre Bodybuilder far from being a Pro so if it is the gear what you think makes you a pro then why isn't Bostin Loyd a Pro Bodybuilder?🤔🤔🤔🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
but for me who am natty even this lists in this video are looking so long and so hard !
Its interesting that only one person admitted to using the almighty tren.🤔
I guess tren is kinda new and they peaked a while ago
@@mazocco parabolin (tren hex) was from 1980 to 1997, tren was very much a thing. I can not remember where but I distinctly recall Dorian Yates discussing it and how he never went over 2 grams total injectables (it was an interview at a convention).
@@jaysmith9496 Dorian went om John Hodgson's podcast. He covers it all in that podcast.
Parabolan was the best form of tren there has ever been, according to experts
Back in the 90s Tren was new and not widely used.
Ronnie's cycle would bankrupt the average joe. That's lot of money year round.
What can cost are we talking
@@ygbodybuilder3023 Google the dosages he used on growth
yea it cost him his back lol :P but 8 times straight win is impressive i guess its worth it #respect to him though for doin no other people could do
@LeRoy Sinclair-Blaha I'm inclined to believe you because i knew a pro who competed in the mr.o late 2000's. Very popular, forncompetion purposes he ran 3000 mg of angiogenic and 3000mg of anabolic with 10 iu of GH daily several months out from the show and reduced that number leading up to the show. This doesn't include T3, clen, slin, DNP. But to his credit he had phenomenal genetics. I know this to be true. I dont really know the science behind it or his logic. But i know the guy grew into shows. And i worked. Pros are now lyinabout dosage to make them self appear like they're super here's. Back in the 90s and early 2000s you were told real numbers and people went ape shit and said they were killing them self. Then with the recent death of Dallas, his testosterone and Tren levels were through the roof. Which reconfirmed nothing changed, just the lies
Bankrupt? Bullshit. I use 5-6x that. It's nowhere near as much as you think
Was gonna ask about paul dillet but you have a video which includes him. Nice
I see you everywhere from ufc to just random stuff, a man of culture i see 👍
I've never been a fan of the actual sport of bodybuilding. But I admire bodybuilders work ethic and discipline. I also always admired the fact that many bodybuilders were/are willing to talk about gear usage and cycles (not always openly). I wish strength athletes (powerlifters, strongmen, Olympic lifters) would discuss their cycles. Many will amongst themselves. But never willing to do it even anonymously on interviews or chats.
Dorian told his exact cycles off season and prep in an interview with Dave Palumbo. He used 14 units GH eod and had other gear in prep time
has he ever mentioned the use of AI's or nolvadex?
@@dontreadmyname4396 not that I can remember…
He did a new interview maybe a year ago where he said he used something like 250-300mg of test, 200-250mg primo, 200-250mg of tren and 50mg of anadrol
Hold on, these guys weren’t about natural clean living?
Most of the top IBBF guys destroy their livers through their excessive chicken broccoli and rice abuse
Meanwhile you got bostin loyd who is on like 2g tren a week and his arm is rotting off
Correction: Bostin only ever used 1g of tren a week, which is unbelievable. And his arm is fine, just a bad water based winstrol shot into the lunar nerve that blew his arm up 5x the size lol. It went back down after a day and a hospital visit. But again Bostin blew up so young and so fast, if he would have taken his time, not blew his midsection out with all the insulin and ultra high HGH over multiple years, he may have been turning pro in the future, but he got super wreckless
Nobody wants to believe them about their steroid dosages, most people are ignorant and can't believe anyone can get big like that taking those dosages they think only extreme dosages of steroids is the way to success, "WRONG" it's genetics, very hard training, eat a lot of quality foods and rest, you can take 10,000 mg of testosterone and 50 IU of growth hormone a day and will never look like them because you don't have the genetics and the balls to train hard and have discipline, one example is Bostin Bostin Loyd taking about 3,000 mg of test a week and 1,000 mg of Deca a week plus other kinds and look at him he is a mediocre Bodybuilder far from being a Pro so if it is the gear what you think makes you a pro then why isn't Bostin Loyd a Pro Bodybuilder?🤔🤔🤔🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
And now he's dead
Why is everyone recommended 500 mg Test as first cycle if literarily these Pros are barely on 500 mg?
Test was just a base for the massive amount of other drugs. 500 test a week will give someone who is new to gear an impressive amount of gains if the training is right.
@@johndaroza8917 I'm thinking 350 mg for first cycles, 250 seems to close to hrt dose
I've been training for 4 years, recently started 250mg test only and gained 6 kg. Once the weight stops climbing I'll move to 300. 500 is overkill for a first cycle imo
@@Vikinglawson Whats your PCT like for a dose like that?
@@t800-t4c at the moment mate I'm not sure ultimately it will depend on my blood results. Although, with that being said, I am seriously considering TRT for life. So I'll drop the dose to TRT and have the appropriate tests to see where I'm at.
To me cycling fully in and fully off seems too much of a yo-yo way to live. Small doses then drop to TRT aka blast and cruise. I'll only do mini "blasts" though. Drugs of choice only ever being masteron, primobolin and anavar. Keeping on top of the HDL and LDL levels etc. I'm paying for a very experienced coach to see me through this process.
For context; Im 30 years old so, I'm not young, but not old either haha
Props to chris cormier for being the only honest one out of all of them
@@dleigh9997 yeah. Chances are they used about the dosages shown. But they all adjusted those dosages higher depending on feel at least in the off season
Yates?
@Rob K. Jurassic Paul!
They where all honest dude, these guys are superhuman. There are 7billion people on this planet just accept that some of them are going to be far superior to you genetically.
@@Nick-hw9kh nobody is superior like that man, its all about sterioids...
Your delts are actually insane 😳
🤔
Notice the smoothness.... Those gains aren't loyal... They're oil
I honestly belive he pumps them before recording each video hahah
Dorian used 8 ius a day, according to one of his Rxmuscle interviews.
Harry Meyer link? Source?
@@Nick-hw9kh hes right he did say that
Just a note to add. I remember reading an article on MD featuring dorian where he said he had experimented with dosages upwards of 2.5 grams a week, although he said the sides seemed to outweigh the benefits. So he has done more than he presented, but I don’t think he’s bs’ing with his stated dosages in the video.
I bet they were giving the cruise dosage.
mrwideboy yep
Lmao, true
Wow! Believe it or not there was a time when bodybuilders considered themselves the healthiest people on the planet. One of the reasons for taking up bodybuilding was to avoid being in a position where medication was required, let alone take drugs to become a better bodybuilder. But the competitive look has changed a lot from a hundred years ago.
Ronnie’s dosages where way higher, everybody knows that... he was on at least 5 grams/week + at least 50 units of hgh + 50 of insulin, plus let’s not forget the notorious IGF2, which he was introduced to by Chas Nichols who coached at the time he won his first Mr.Olympia title (and which is basically the one that probably allowed him the incredible improvement between the 1997 edition where he placed 9th and had a completely different physique)
Why does “everybody know that”, mr trump?
@@hittman1412 at the time I happened to work for a professional bodybuilder (as a coach in his gym) who attented the Mr.O edition in 1998 when Ronnie won his first title… he paid at the time 800$ for a 10’ private conversation where they “exchanged experiences”
No, his incredible improvement came from the slices of pizza and shots of vodka he had with Kevin Levrone 🤣 🤣
dorian used more too
I thought its only creatine and warm steak😂😂
Thank god this vids only ten mins! I scrolled by it the first time saying this cids prob an hour long 🙄. Then I just saw it was 10 mins! 👍🏻. Good content man just keep the vids under 15 mins. That way we can catch em while on the shitter nice and quick
All dosages very understated, especially Yates who claimed this dosage on Joe Rogan.
I just don't think most of these guys were being honest, sorry.I believe the chris cormier one because of the crazy high halo dose, though. Maybe some were honest though. Mike Libertore, a men's open IFBB guy who was competing in the early 2000s, wrote a few articles on this that seemed far more realistic. The gist of it was basically 1.2g-2g test and 500-1g deca or eq with slin/gh in the offseason and orals for the guys who can handle them. Then precontest around 8-12 weeks out tren mast and test prop all around 500-700 each per week. This is completely consistent with what Jordan Peters guys who are winning pro shows are posting on his private forum and with what the guys on Fouad Abiad's podcast have been saying. I don't buy the idea that the guys in the 90s used only 500-750 test and some deca and winny but only 6-8 weeks out. There's also a lot of protocols floating around on the net from very good prep coaches like matt porter and AJ sims that are consistent with this. But I don't know of anyone in modern times who's getting up to 250+ on stage with precontest cycles of 200mg/wk deca, a gram of test, and 300mg of primo or whatever.
I agree with you, most bodybuilders will always downsize the true amounts they take to make it seem like they have unbelievable genetics. it's a vanity sport and all of them wanna make it seem like they are the best. quite similar to fake natties claiming they are natty just a little more honest with even admitting to taking drugs. If you wanna check out a bodybuilder that's actually honest on dosages you can look up Seth Feroce - he trained with Hany Rambod and he actually gives an example cycle of what he took.
@@hatilmatogan Yes I saw some of his steroid videos as well, but I didn't see the one where he details precontest cycles he did with Hany. Which one was it?
Guys in the 90s could lie about "a bit of primo and some winstrol" because there was no internet with people telling the truth.
Coleman is definitely a huge liar here; he worked with Chad and there's at least one offseason protocol from chad floating around the internet and it includes tons of test, gh, and insulin.
@@VastChoirs It was a video where he laid out an example cycle on a drawing board and he talked about doses he experimented with, much more similar to to the amounts you would expect a serious bodybuilder to take.
Yeah the guys nowadays are also bigger. Avg body weight is up at least 20lbs.. except ronnie. And even the top pros say ronnie is "special". One thing you fail to understand is the bottom line is GENETICS and you don't got em
@@Hittdogg17 I don't care how good someone's genetics are. They will NEVER be IFFB pros at a gram total a week.
Someone once told me multiply whatever pros say by 2-4
GH 15 approved!
@Jason Striation Because of the PHDs?
@Jason Striation Wow, that's fucked up
TheCubeman12 I think the PHDs probably saved him in this instance. The PEDs tho
@Jason Striation lol liar, nobody calls a friend " piece of shit "
I don’t believe none of them.
It's easy to not believe any of them when you have shit poverty genetics lmao
So you DO believe all of them because you used a double negative
David Emmitt can’t do nothing is also a double negative :)))
@@littlehobo261 How do you know how I look like?
@Black_Eye 99.9% of people would get very little results from these dosages. But we are talking about ELITE genetics. These guys look like they are on steroids in their first year of lifting naturally. It's very possible for alot of them (maybe not all)
Bostin Loyd "i always run a gram of Tren"
Hi bro I have eq and test enanthate how to use it safely?? Plz tell me bro
@@sivaatheist8135 why would you get gear if you have no clue how bro use it?
I wonder if Eric kanevsky ever watches these video and starts to question his own stack.
I'm sure he would say that Ronnie Coleman is just a little Jimmy, not a hardcore bodybuilder like himself.
@@tyronejones4245 😂😂
Daniel Wilson If you don’t look 40 at 22 then you’re not shooting enough oil!!
heyitscorty7 LOLOLOLOLOL
eric kanevskys stack is REALLY what these guys were using. dallas mccarver as on 10 grams of test
Interesting most of them used no AI etc.
Their physiques looked so much better than now days in my opinion 🤷♂️
Yes 90s bb was the best
So you don't like nicr sexy pregnant bubble guts ? 😳
Lee priest only started using when he was 19 (when he turned bro) and was always against steroid use. I believe what lee says. He’s been training since 13, he’s only 5’4 and he has insane genetics. His cycles were always low
Dumbass. Lee started juicing around or before puberty, hence the height and high pitched voice. Same with shawn ray.
Aethyr Weaver short people usually have high pitched voices
Only started when he was 19, 19 is young af
Your so gullible, I'm concerned for your safety in life...
@@Knosferatu That statement you sound like an idiot, he was not using when he was younger. That hight statement was fucking stupid.
Should have at least 100k subs bro. Keep posting, love all the content
What about Mike O'Hearn?
Just kidding.
Duck eggs bro. All natty just like Rich Piana
How dare you suggest this! Mike is natty for life. He gets bigger and more ripped as he gets older because of the 700 dollar duck eggs.
I spoke w Paul Dillet and he said that he was using 3000-5000 mg of test cyp per week during his offseason.
@roger kle your wrong some guys dont need alot. I knew a guy taking 1 dianobol a day and that was to much he cut it in half
@roger kle brother rodger I'm in my late fifties where talking when the drugs were real and not illegal who knows what's in the stuff today you didnt have to take alot
Highest steroid dosages ?
More like highest lateral raises dosages.
Admitting to use is one thing, but admitting to using the sheer amount they actually did is another thing entirely. I can almost guarantee that these guys doses are probably double what they actually say they were.
I wouldn’t say the pro’s are Bullshitting. Bare in mind most of them gave interviews anonymously at that time. So they had nothing to hide but their identities.
Also the gear back then was all big pharma grade and no back street boiler garage room Chem factories with watered down and possibly toxic drugs.
The physiques today are not that much bigger and certainly not better than the 80’s to mid 90’s guys, but the modern athlete dosages are much higher.
I would conclude that the quality of the gear and the physiques overall has declined from the symmetry and the grainy dense quality we saw from those guys back in the 80’s and 90’s.
I’m sure that some of them took far more than they admitted too, but in relative terms of quality the guys today using low grade pharmaceuticals would have to be naturally using more to get the same or similar results as their predecessors.
I can tell you as fact, the gear back then was quality. The stuff on the open market today unless you can legitimately track it’s whereabouts is at best not going to be of a consistently high quality and at worst could do you more harm than good, or even mess up your endocrine system for life.
Steroids aren’t bad, it’s just that sometimes they are made by bad people and sold to an ignorant public. Always get your stuff tested and then you won’t need to put your health at risk or take too much to get good gains.
People need to remember that no matter what you do, or who you are, or how good your genetics, if you overstep the mark with steroids, your system will shutdown no matter what you do.
Also if the likes of Lee Haney, Dorian Yates and Ronnie Coleman Managed to father children, then the steroids they took never shut them down permanently. Which begs the question how much is too much? Answer! That all depends on the individual.
And let’s not forget Ronnie was up to Olympia level and still natural and so was Kai Green. Then they took the gear and the rest was history. Just let that sink in.
Sergio Olivia had a son in the 1980s. He knew his limits too.
These guys are being honest.
Out of 7 billion people you are going to have some genetic anomalies. Individuals so impressive by some narrow measure that there performance is unbelievable.
Ronnie coleman. Only 750mg of test. Ya right. Ronnie was over 300 pounds. He was on grams just of test and alot of other stuff.
Josh O This was 90’s Ronnie Who was like 245 on stage. I bet 2003 Ronnie was taking at least twice all of that(probably 5X more GH and insulin)
Ronnie turned pro naturally
Nobody wants to believe them about their steroid dosages, most people are ignorant and can't believe anyone can get big like that taking those dosages they think only extreme dosages of steroids is the way to success, "WRONG" it's genetics, very hard training, eat a lot of quality foods and rest, you can take 10,000 mg of testosterone and 50 IU of growth hormone a day and will never look like them because you don't have the genetics and the balls to train hard and have discipline, one example is Bostin Bostin Loyd taking about 3,000 mg of test a week and 1,000 mg of Deca a week plus other kinds and look at him he is a mediocre Bodybuilder far from being a Pro so if it is the gear what you think makes you a pro then why isn't Bostin Loyd a Pro Bodybuilder?🤔🤔🤔🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
@@user-hy4jt8sr6y that's make since 👍👍
@@user-hy4jt8sr6y copy paste lol
I hope you could do a critique on Andreas Muntzer’s “death cicle”. That seemed to be pretty hardcore (asumimg he really took what they say he took)
Dorian said he used up to 6-8iu daily of hgh, and on Dave’s show he said 16iu a day split, 3x a week.
This is an awesome topic! Nice job!!
Thank you for this important discussion of past stars in bodybuilding. It is quite eye opening. Some of these guys were walking chemistry labs. 😔 Moving on to the present day--Does anyone really think a guy like Big Ramy is just doing minimum cycles when he makes the rest of the present day competitors look small? I fear for the long term health of present day IFBB Pros at the highest ranks of the Open Bodybuilding category. At some point it's just going to get to a point where it's unsustainable. The IFBB should crack the whip and start coming down on this, but they won't because the craziness of the Open category is the one that brings in the money, and the IFBB values that over the longterm wellbeing of the competitors. It's really quite sad. This great sport should be about bodybuilding and weight training as a health and fitness lifestyle.
After years of seeing these monsters if they went all natural the sport would crumble. Even the “natural” classes aren’t natural. If the world was serious about PEDs in sports then you wouldn’t ever break a powerlifting record again, we’d see a lot less weight lifted in the worlds strongest man, and bodybuilding would be filled with Jeff Cavalier types (except for all we know even he may not be natural either). Imagine if the NFL was serious about it too and we no longer saw 280 lb linebackers and they were replaced with 220 lbs backs? It would fundamentally change the game.
As if none of them used Tren... Ronnie used apparently 2 grams a week pre contest
Aaron baker did but he used pharmaceutical version parabolan
i recall dorian saying something about parabolan too
It’s really strange that anabolic steroids have such limited access in the US. I really don’t understand why it was singled out and made impossible to get compared to all of the other drugs out there readily available that are worse for you.
They limited production brutally because back in 2010s like 90% of the production went anywhere but not to the pharmacies.
Dorian on rx muscle with dave polumbo said his off-season was 1000 test 600 deca and 1or 2 anadrol.
Link
I know Lee, he has always spoken openly about low dose cycles, him using 1 ml of sus250 a week was typical, his genetics and and ability to train intensely should be considered as well
All of these guys are lying (though Chris Cormier I concede was a bit more realistic than the rest). Yes genetics are everything, but pharma gear now is just as good as good as pharma gear was then, and everybody today takes massive quantities. Back then they were taking almost as much as guys are now (and frankly more HGH and insulin and peptides and such are the biggest difference between then and today, not more AAS).
Genetics is the difference between being unable to do more than place at a few regional shows vs. competing at the men's open this weekend. Better genetics does not mean you take 1-2g of gear and barely touch HGH and insulin and are placing in the top 10 at the Olympia regardless. That is completely ridiculous.
And yes, all of these people have plenty of incentive to lie. They have egos surrounding perpetuating a godly genetics image (not just relative to normal people and casual lifters but compared to other pros who are also lying with the same complex). They have incentive to not feel bad about revealing dangerous usage amounts that impressionable young guys are sure to try and emulate. And hell, many of these interviews were while they were still active competing; why would you be honest and effectively reveal to the other competitors what you're taking? You'd lose an massive informational advantage. Of course you'd lie to the downside to intimidate your competition about your "genetics" and possibly even dupe some sucker into emulating you and being less competitive.
It's interesting to hear what these guys say they took and see it compiled, but please take what you see and hear with a pound of salt people. None of these guys took these amounts. Don't be naive.
Makes sense.
Downplaying the dosages they used is just a SOP so as to appear them not being drug addicts, not saying they didn't train NOR diet hard, but to downplay the dosages to that level of extent is just laughable.
Gabriel Kok agreed. They trained and dieted their asses off for sure, and they were cream of the crop in terms of genetic talent to boot. They also used helluva lot more drugs than they admit here, and that’s fine.
@@pandahsykes602 "Your comment is a perfect epitome of why you will always be an average joe"
Lol, looking at your fatceps pic I have a far better physique than you so not sure how that works exactly ;).
Yes, genetics matter tremendously. Yes, these people were all significantly downplaying what they took for the intuitive reasons that I described. No, these statements are not mutually exclusive. Try and keep up.
Great comment, one of the best I've seen on UA-cam about this subject.
Amazing video!!! Thanks to you, and the bodybuilders for being honest-ish 🤔
Wow Coleman that's crazy! But so was your physique!
I forget the interview (possibly withPalumbo) but Yates stated he took 16ius of GH on Mon/Wed/Fri. He said that protocol gave him better results than doing 8ius daily
Palumbo invente the bubble gut lol
I had a kidney failure after watching this video.
I once did an 8 week cycle of 200mg of Test cyp. per week and made great gains and had sides.
Is that low
The more lean you are, the less likely you are to get negative side effects related to estrogen and cholesterol.
200mg is not a cycle. It is on the high end of replacement therapy.
I enjoyed all of those videos, great series and that Joe Rohan interview with Dorian was very candid
they were way too much stuff, that's insane what would do, you even dallas, these guys are gonna pay in the most serious price which life it's self.
Dallas used too much too soon, and steroids was just not for him, he already had some predisposition for some diseases... Taking insane amounts of roids of course would kill him.
Big Ron was geared out of his mind lmao 😂
While others sit around masturbating all day.
tell us the secret to get cannon ball delts like yours
Genetics
Tren
Eat ass gain mass
Prune juice
He probably lifts weights with his shoulders
Never heard of Dillet before. I think he probably had the best build of everyone at that time. His shoulder and trap development is huge.
Yeah he just sucked at posing lol all that hard work and money spent on drugs for nothing basically
@@Drazwinhe had pretty bad scoliosis doe so that is not a skill issue, that's a genetic issue
According to the other bodybuilders, he was pretty lazy. I think it was Shawn Ray that said if he had Paul Dillett’s genetics, he would have been Mr Olympia already.
I believe Lee Priest for sure. The guy is an open book. No reason for him to lie. Just a great responder. Same for Chris Cormier. Kinda realistic cycle. He is also a no bullshit talker. I'm not sure about the UGL and pharma difference. I've seen labresults on first hand of 99.9% purity of UGL test, deca, var, etc. But thats my country (NL)
Can anyone explain why such a high % of bodybuilders have speech impediments?
They were teased as kids and wanted to "show them". Many have been some of thee most insecure people i have met
No pro bodybuilder would ever tell their actual dose and drug regimen to the world. The drugs are their livelihood. Anyone can eat or train like them, the delta in the equation is knowing what drugs to stack to get the edge. These were probably the doses they took when they were starting competing as amateurs in local shows.
I am from southern California and I had a friend who was a steroid dealer that was also my training partner who used to deal to many people; some of his clients were IFBB pros which included Gunter and Brandon Curry. Back in 2008, before Brandon won the Mr. USA and got his pro card he was taking a mix of about 5 grams of different steroids. Now that he became Mr. Olympia, I can't imagine he would be taking less than he was before he was even a pro.
This is not ronnie cycle..i saw his cycle was 3 times more
Very interesting content, not many UA-camrs talk about that online, thanks bro !
I'd be inclined to say to Lee Priest is not telling the truth. Because all the other guys are taking more an competing at the same level. But idk maybe he just needs less because he's smaller.
Duhh he isnt even using test according to this
@@MeesterJ ye lol
Dorian said he was taking 4iu daily and saw no gains...Then he just doubled asap to 9iu and that was the sweet spot....plus other things not mentioned in this video
Is it implied that Lee Priest was also on TRT on top of his cycle or was the test just accidentally left out?
I was wondering the same thing
All that and no test?
Lee already had high test levels at least that’s what he said.
Whadda You playin'? Halo... - Like Halo, videogame? - Yes...
Every single one of them are lying. You could double to triple all of it easily.
Nick, absolute bullshit my friend. These guys are being honest. Next level genetics.
Marcus Z is it genetics though? I mean people seem to share these guys have prime genetics, BUT they only get this big because of the benefits of their gear. Take away their gear, would you still think their genetics are prime? Because it’s quite obvious they would look completely different without the gear.
Yournextdoorgamer withgames, your response to the drugs is part of your genetics. It’s like saying Jordan was a great basketball player because he was tall not because of his genetics. He’s tall because of his genetics. Yea if you take the drugs away the hormonal levels needs to maintain that amount of muscle would go and so would the muscle. King Kamali is a good example of a guy who could’ve never been a good natural bodybuilder but his response to the drugs was next level.
And they didn't say what time they were using this amount, ex: this could be for the 97 Coleman, not the 2003 that were much bigger.
Have you seen them when they were at the age of 18?
Dennis Newmancontracted leukemia from the excess growth hormone he was taking I read this in a magazine that was a personal interview of Dennis Newman I'm pretty sure he wasn't only taking 4 IUs at a pop. His doctor said he got leukemia from the growth hormone.that would be the lowest dosage in history that you would get something like that from if he did.
Wrong information for sure.. These dosages are too low for them
Very true I agree I know female bodybuilders that would put them to shame
I don’t get how they get away using steroids. Like isn’t the point of them competing to showcase natural bodies? why reward steroid users that obtain gains that cannot be achieved naturally
On RXmuscle Dorian said that he took 10ui of GH every other day, so like 5 per day.
Now THIS is some good info!
I kinda do believe them because all the stuff they would have used back then would of been legit pharmaceutical strength so you don’t have to use as much as these days.
Damn how do you keep track of all those different dosages of a dizzying array of different drugs taken at different times of the day and week?
Then take into account your super specific diet and...actual training at least twice a day.
No wonder these guys have to have their whole lives wrapped around bodybuilding to become successful.
Testex is testosterone propionate I have used several several several ampules when I was overseas in Norway
How does it compare to Test Prop today?
Testex is a Spanish propionate testosterone. Very popular in Europe and UK around the early 2000s.
I would love to know how it feels to be on that much testosterone
Nothing special. You feel more agressive. Every little thing is anoying to you that normally wouldn't be. You start to feel that you are better/stronger/more worth than other humans. But remember, that is not you and you'r emotions.
It's aggravating...I did roids for just three weeks years ago...had to quit...could no longer drive without wanting to kill my fellow drivers...every thought about violence...pure hell..don't envy these drug addicts
It's obviously that this are NOT there Olympia cycle, maybe it is there amateur cycle
Derek obviously most the guys calling bullshit have crappy genetics. Personally i am a hyper responder. At 15 I weighed 180 and next school year was 210 at 16. Was 3 months. No I didnt take roids. Didnt need to. Now Im 40 its different but genetics are EVERYTHING
Mr O, 200mg deca 🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Pro Aussie BB was trained in 2005 and 2006 by a former IFBB champion and legend of the 90’s and early 2000’s .
The Pro read his journal history - 1 was comp diet , off comp diet and drug book - comp and drugs non comp.
The most the “legend used was 750mg of test ……. And some orals …….. 1 clew , great aesthetics. He said all the pro guys take the same stuff . Genetics are the key . My Aussie mate said he knows locals in gym that take 4000 mg test week with orals and igf1. Lol the Legend said if you can’t grow on 750mg and some orals you ain’t ever going to grow……….
A friend of mine talked to Dorian about ten years ago on the FIBO in Germany. And supposedly used maximum of 30iu HGH a day.
Your mate is full of shit.
U would die
We dont have to judge them tho. It's what they want and it makes them look and feel good. Why don't we just get along.
Video topic: high/low or low/high test and Tren.
Low test higher tren when few weeks out for a show. Simple
If bulking, high test, low tren. If cutting, low test, high tren. Don't over complicate it.
Eastern bloc athletes liked low test high tren.
The doses of drugs are higher among Bodybuilders now, but the drugs now are not as effective because the labs producing the drugs are continuously cutting corners to save money. The quality of gear most guys can get their hands on is just lower quality now
All pretty crazy and they had best genetics ever probably I cant even take 20 mg of dbol without feeling toxic
How do you know that you cant do that?
Ive been taking up to 30tabs 5mg each.
it becomes a contest of which Pharma industry or product is the best rather than which athlete is the best.
It's pronounced Chris (core meere)
Derick, I saw a video of dorian yates claiming to take gh in HIGH dosages on his training days. 10 -15 ius. Just throwing that out there.
all of them are lying except Cormier with the slin dosage.
These guys had dan duchane mixing up crazy cocktails for them .. they don’t even know what they took
Priest is a liar.
100%
G no he isn’t. He’s one of the first pros to openly admit to steroids and got banned from competing for being so honest so why the fuck would he lie about his doses? You just can’t believe it because your genetics are shit
GH15 was Nasser. He said Presit was lying about the doses because BB love to same some circle jerk about genetics. He said multiply all the doses by 4 or anything those guys say.
@@TheSuperSwain No one. NO ONE gets to IFBB levels with 1 gram of gear. No matter how good their genetics are. Look up GH15. GH15 isn't Nasser but he is credible.
Richard III bull shit. I literally do 1 cycle a year when I cut and I get to sub 10% bf at 220 ish at 5’10 and my genetics are pretty average, so I’m sure someone with elite genetics that’s does gear all year and a bit of gh can get to pro level with a gram of gear.
Doesnt include diuretics and only one admitted to cytomil. Stimulants and diuretics are prep touch ups....possible plasma expanders as well. 90s was also the era of synthol , sun tan oil. There are also other undisclosed preps and rituals such as shots of vodka to dry out etc.
I don’t like Dorian’s physique
Marcelo #803 yeah it’s trash I don’t know how he won all the mr Olympia’s
Yall are fired
Guess u look like the total opposite 😉 do u even lift?
are øverland everyone here looks like the total opposite you dumbfuck, he’s a former MR OLYMPIA. Nobody is even close to him.
Everyone chill out, it’s just my personal opinion, I don’t like Dorian’s physique, I prefer the physiques of the 70’a
Thank you the Best explenations ever👍💪🙇♂️🙇♂️🙇♂️🙇♂️🙇♂️
So then how do we have guys like Dallas mcCarver taking 10-15 grams of test a week?
Yes but these guys didn't die at the age of 22 :P
Because Dallas' body wasn't as responsive to the drugs as these guys. Everyone reacts differently, some people make incredible gains off next to nothing with shit diet and half arsed training, others will do everything right take a load of gear and still not look as good. Genetics is not just used to describe muscle bellys, structure and symmetry but also chemical response.
Pharma is much different than UGL. Especially for test.
I think the UGL dosing can be higher mg per ml can help guys take higher doses. Ive read 400mg/ml and higher. Before all the ugl stuff nothing more than 250mg/ml and alot of vet stuff back then that was used was 50mg/ml.
Also many guys make their own gear which can be made really cheap, so the cost of high doses isnt as high as past era's.
Dan smith
Pharmaceutical companies have million dollar machines that can break a hormone raw down to the smallest dalton weight. Meaning you get the most out of that hormone at the similar dose.
Same concept as Winstrol vs injectable Winstrol. Same dosage but much difference in effects. Or even meth and cocaine.
Pro coaches will not let some guys take anything but pharma Deca. Organon has a patent on their Deca Durabolin. They’d come after anyone who copies their blue print. Anyone can make Nandrolone Decanoate but it won’t be to the quality of Deca Durabolin with out high end pharmaceutical machines.
Dorian said 8 in a day but changed to 16 iu 3 day a week
Did you really believe in this cycles ??
@@johndaroza8917 rumors said that dorian yates use 24 ui hgh
@@johndaroza8917 i dont know men form me is like mens physique cycles
@@johndaroza8917 you get 3 iu from mk 667
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20-25 mg