The Insane Production Behind Gettysburg

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  • @lowellwhite1603
    @lowellwhite1603 6 місяців тому +24

    I was a Civil War reenactor and was there for “Pickett’s Charge week” in August of 1992. I was also in North and South Book II and Glory. We were paid in the TVmini series and Glory as well as fed and given mileage. At Gettysburg we were fed and given some things like a “background artist” T-Shirt, Dale Gallon art print, commemorative medal and a few other items, some of which I still have. I wasn’t too concerned about not being paid as I received paid vacation from my day job but that was an issue for some of the guys. The event was great fun and I got to meet some of the actors and had my photo taken with them. Great memories. One of my friends got hired as a paid extra and was there for all of September 1992 filming the 20th Maine scenes including a week doing the Little Round Top battle. Another guy I know got a speaking part and was paid even more and his name is in the credits.

    • @Cully5x5
      @Cully5x5 4 місяці тому +5

      Who were you with? I was there for 3 weeks. Like you, Picketts Charge week. I was part of Garnett's Colour Guard, doing all the Emmittsburg Road scenes on the fence. As well as going to the wall at the Angle. Stayed for the week after. Back for Round top for the 20th Maine scenes. I got to know several members of the core group very well. We also did some Devil's Den shots where the Confederates over run the Union position. I came in as blue, but ended up Grey as they needed numbers for both. One of the great experiences of my life. Would do it again in a heart beat.

    • @michaelpalm2210
      @michaelpalm2210 Місяць тому +2

      I had heard that you didnt get paid from a Sam Elliot interview with a Ft worth TV show . He said he met alot of re enactors and that they loved just doing it for no pay. The director Maxwell said that the re-enactors "carried the movie." It was a low budget film as far as 4hr 31 min movies go, but damn it was a good one. You were part of history ,so to speak ,and I hope you think as highly of the movie as I do. Great job guys!

    • @lowellwhite1603
      @lowellwhite1603 Місяць тому

      @@Cully5x5 I’m just reading this now. I was a member of the 21st Michigan Infantry reenactment group nut we were registered by the 7th Michigan. Several Michigan units banded together to form a company sized unit. On “Pickett’s Charge week” we were Confederate for the first three days. You can pick us out in the movie as we all have sky blue trousers. On those days , if you wanted to take part, you had to be Confederate. Some Union reenactors refused out of principle and toured the battlefield or hung out in camp. On the last couple of days, we were Union.

  • @davidparker4072
    @davidparker4072 6 місяців тому +18

    I worked on it, in the grip department all summer long. One of the best jobs I ever did. I even got dressed up as a confederate soldier, and died during Picketts charge. The reenactors were amazing, the cannons were amazing, and the stars were great.

    • @Cully5x5
      @Cully5x5 2 місяці тому +1

      @@davidparker4072 What crew were you with doing Picketts Charge week. I have a fair bit of behind the scenes pics and video. Might have something with you in it. Did you work in to the fall? I was back for Round Top. Did that, and some of the first days battle with Buford.

    • @davidparker4072
      @davidparker4072 2 місяці тому +2

      @@Cully5x5 Hi, I was best boy grip of the second unit. I was there from late June to early September. I was moving around a lot. Especially on the big day of Pickettt’s charge. 5,000 reenactors, 9 cameras including one in a mini helicopter, the precursor of today’s drones. I had to build a few scaffolding towers for camera placement and help setup lots of dolly track. Later in the week when we were doing smaller shots was when I got to dress up as a confederate. And died on the wall.
      One of my favorite parts was when they fired the 44 cannons that we had. Sometimes in a line and sometimes all of them at once, you could feel the percussion wave from a half a mile away. I also worked on the close up of Steven Lang who played Pickett in the movie and did one of the best acting performances I’ve seen in my 20 years of filmmaking. I also worked on scenes at little round top and devils den. Lots of carrying equipment through the forest. Hard work but incredibly interesting. Most of the reenactors had ancestors who fought in the battle, and they knew exactly where they had been. Everybody had a story to tell, and they were fascinating.
      One of the best times I had in my career, and I worked on Independence Day, 24, Get Shorty, Mad Men and many others.

  • @dashsocur
    @dashsocur 7 місяців тому +11

    I ironically first was interested in this movie "because" it was so long. Getting permission to watch a movie was a big deal so I wanted to make the most of it and so the movie that needed two VHS tapes was an easy pick. The fact that it was amazingly well done, was a very happy bonus. lol
    It definitely helped to spark my love of military history. As I've gotten older, my opinions of the specific details have matured but it still holds up remarkably well. :)

  • @Willysmb44
    @Willysmb44 6 місяців тому +39

    People today don't recall there was a HUGE push in the reenactment community against taking part in this movie as almost none were paid and lots considered it to be taking advantage of them. Many thought it'd be a terrible movie but most of that was forgotten when it was released

    • @tlwisner
      @tlwisner 6 місяців тому +11

      Sad that many reenactors saw this as a bad thing, fortunately many saw that this was a great chance to be part of an epic. The filmmakers did not get rich from this film, it was a labor of passion for history. The final product is one of the best films ever.

    • @gruntforever7437
      @gruntforever7437 4 місяці тому +1

      @@tlwisner absolutely. Turner considered this a personal thing and financed it all out of his own pocket; not his company. I have a very good friend that was in it
      he is the big guy in the center of the scene where they are praying before the battle. When Hancock takes off his hat. He told me that while there were some that whined about the pay thing, a lot more came because they realized that this was going to be very special. To this day it is considered THE Civil War movie.

    • @charlescatt4607
      @charlescatt4607 3 місяці тому

      Wish they weren’t in it at all. They looked fat and old.

    • @Cully5x5
      @Cully5x5 2 місяці тому +3

      @@Willysmb44 I was happy to be there. And would do it again in a heart beat. This was movie history. Never done before. Prob never again. Not with cgi. The greatest number of troops in one scene since “Birth Of A Nation”. Money was in no way a factor. After Picketts Charge week, came back in the fall for Round Top for another week. Loved every minute of it.

    • @imgvillasrc1608
      @imgvillasrc1608 Місяць тому +1

      @@gruntforever7437 It's a great movie, but Gettysburg really doesn't compare to Glory, in terms of plot, characters, and realism. Also, it felt quite exclusive to ACW historians. If it stayed a tv miniseries, it would've been THE best tv miniseries of the 90s.

  • @jphil-mk8bw
    @jphil-mk8bw 6 місяців тому +7

    This was one of four war movies I watched on VHS when I was 5 years old that I remembered most of despite 12+ years passing since I rewatched it for the first time in 2020. Even to 5 year old me, I just remembered how authentic and massive and gritty it looked, its something I never forgot.

  • @GhostlyEddie
    @GhostlyEddie 7 місяців тому +9

    Another great documentary on a mammoth film. I liked Gods And Generals quite a bit as well but it was trashed by the critics. I'm sad that Ron Maxwell never got to do the third movie he had planned.

    • @posham219
      @posham219 6 місяців тому +3

      Gods and generals really isn't a good movie, sure it's an epic but when it comes to historical accuracy, it's awful. Watch atun-shei films video on God's and generals

    • @albertocasim9755
      @albertocasim9755 6 місяців тому +1

      "Last Full Measure"

  • @vincentbergman4451
    @vincentbergman4451 3 місяці тому +2

    I was 7 when this came out, always loved it. My ancestor was in the Iron Brigade “Black Hats” he was in the 24th Michigan

  • @johnstamos4186
    @johnstamos4186 7 місяців тому +9

    Thanks for covering this epic movie!

  • @Cully5x5
    @Cully5x5 4 місяці тому +1

    I was there for 3 weeks. Picketts Charge week. I was part of Garnett's Colour Guard, doing all the Emmittsburg Road scenes on the fence. As well as going to the wall at the Angle. Stayed for the week after. Back for Round top for the 20th Maine scenes. I got to know several members of the core group very well. We also did some Devil's Den shots where the Confederates over run the Union position. I came in as blue, but ended up Grey as they needed numbers for both. One of the great experiences of my life. Would do it again in a heart beat.

  • @crazymixture57
    @crazymixture57 6 місяців тому +5

    Fantastic video. I live almost 3.5 hours from Gettysburg and love visiting it every time. You always notice something new each time. Great place to honor all dead and fallen on both sides.

  • @alankatz3012
    @alankatz3012 6 місяців тому +7

    Ok, let me give you the perspective from the re-enactors side of this film. first Napoleonic Tactics was a firm created to put on historical reenactments, they were out to make money off of making reenactments happen, for re-enactors looking for a well organized large scale event of 5000 -10000 people, at the time of the 125th anniversaries those numbers had never been seen at reenactments, Napoleonic tactics did not have any ability to get re-enactors because they made money off of them.
    When this project was announced, many in the reenacting community wanted to do the film but there were some issues, a liaison committee, was formed to represent re-enactors and there were some issues, 1-Historical accuracy- from what I was lead to believe the script was rife with inaccurate language, so were asked if it could be corrected. 2- Pay- The film company was offering re-enactors $50 a day and $75 for a speaking part, SAG at the time dictated that extras be paid $75 a day with I think $100 if you spoke, The film company as an incentive offered $50,000 to civil war land preservation which was renegotiated to $100,000 3-Time the filming Schedule was 13 weeks, it was agreed upon (I was told) that re-enactors could come for as many days as they could and that it would be worked around. 4-compensation- Re-enactors were told that there would be no hotels and to camp in there tents (no big deal for us it what we do) and that when we were filming there would be food for the re-enactors, the question came to "what if it rains and you cant film?" we were told that we were on our own, we felt that if we gave up our time, our equipment and our knowledge that it was only fair that we be fed filming or not. These were the major issues that the liaison committee hammered out with the production company and on week 3 of filming I am proud to say that my unit at the time, the 30th Virginia from New York showed up at 6am in Gettysburg with 27 re-enactors, and was the first to report to make Killer Angels.
    As a side note, every re-enactor received a making of Gettysburg VHS tape (that's how old this film is) a making of the film booklet with every participant who made the film listed in it. The re-enactors as a whole (around 10,000) told the production company, to donate their pay that they received toward battlefield preservation. My nephew who I took with me to do this film at the time was 13, he was so affected by the magic of film making that he is a writer and has several scripts in production to be made into movies.

    • @VoidVolken
      @VoidVolken  6 місяців тому

      Thanks for the perspective, it was incredibly hard to find any information on Napoleonic Tactics outside of a couple of people lightly talking about it. So there wasn't much information I could go off.

    • @Cully5x5
      @Cully5x5 2 місяці тому

      @@alankatz3012 Fascinating. Yes there were alot of issues. I believe that’s when Michael Krauss came in. Where in New York did the 30th come from? Did you ever do Mumford, New York?

    • @alankatz3012
      @alankatz3012 2 місяці тому

      @@Cully5x5 the 30th was from Long Island and Mumford was way upstate if memory serves

    • @alankatz3012
      @alankatz3012 Місяць тому

      @@Cully5x5 we were from Long Island, Mumford was upstate if memory serves and I don’t think we ever got up that way. We did events from Connecticut down to Virginia

  • @whya2ndaccount
    @whya2ndaccount 6 місяців тому +3

    Its a pity that only two (Gods and Generals and Gettysburg) of the three films in the proposed trilogy (Gods and Generals, Gettysburg and Last Full Measure) saw the light of day.

  • @josephwang267
    @josephwang267 4 місяці тому

    'Gettysburg' is my all-time favorite movie; I've never gotten tired of rewatching it. Both the historical battle and the movie were certainly epic, and the acting/character portrayals gripping. With the fate of their respective armies, the nation (and eventually the world) hanging in the balance, it is thought-provoking to consider the effect on history of the words spoken, decisions made, and actions taken by the officers (especially Colonel Chamberlain and General Lee) at critical moments. Kudos to everyone from Michael Shaara to Ron Maxwell, Ted Turner, the actors, the reenactors, and production crew who made this movie an underrated epic.

  • @SharonWyatt-Norman
    @SharonWyatt-Norman 4 місяці тому +1

    My husband was there at Pickett's Charge week as a reenactor. Your commentary is very good and covers all the main points. Saw a few familiar faces in your video. He met Martin Sheen, Richard Jordan, Stephen Lang, and Morgan Shepard, who were all terrific. His company was also (surprise!) featured on the cover of the Video release. Cheers.

    • @Cully5x5
      @Cully5x5 2 місяці тому

      @@SharonWyatt-Norman Who was he with? I was with Garnetts Colour guard. That’s Garnetts flag in the poster. The Sergeant holding the flag is the late Les Kinsolving. A friend of Ron Maxwell. Les also played Gen. Barksdale in Gettysburg and Gods and Generals. I have a fair amount of pictures and videos from that week. I bet I ran in to him and or have pics of him.

  • @scubadudefrommaine
    @scubadudefrommaine 7 місяців тому +3

    Thanks for the great video Volken

  • @michaelvaughn8864
    @michaelvaughn8864 3 місяці тому

    One of my late uncle's former coworkers (he was a postal clerk) was in Gettysburg the movie as a cavalry trooper in Gen. Buford's division early on in the film. He had a blink and you miss scene in it

  • @imgvillasrc1608
    @imgvillasrc1608 Місяць тому

    What I find interesting is how Maxwell could've found more success if he found people to produce Gettysburg during the 2000s. Not only could he get away with more violence, but also have more opportunities as he could bank on the success of Band of Brothers. He really could've turned Gods and Generals into a miniseries if only he was a bit more patient and saw the opportunities that TV shows had compared to movies.

  • @voicubogdan4339
    @voicubogdan4339 6 місяців тому +1

    great video, really make this movie more and more emotional

  • @NP-ui3tr
    @NP-ui3tr 4 місяці тому

    With some exceptions (to move the plot & explain the situation to people who don’t/didn’t know much about the CW or Gettysburg) this is as close to perfect as it gets for a historical war film
    The lead cast were all phenomenal in their portrayals of their respective characters that it’s not hard to imagine what those men were really like

  • @mlbrooks4066
    @mlbrooks4066 22 дні тому

    It followed The Killer Angels pretty closely, which is the main reason it worked so well. When Maxwell relied on his own leanings for Gods and Generals, it didn't work very well.

  • @briancisco1176
    @briancisco1176 6 місяців тому +2

    Great! Thanks for sharing.

  • @sartainja
    @sartainja 3 місяці тому

    Superb analysis of the film.

  • @fett333
    @fett333 6 місяців тому

    Great video - thanks - the score was epic - fond memories of reenacting back in the day

  • @gruntforever7437
    @gruntforever7437 4 місяці тому

    THE Civil War movie in the eyes of myself and many others, Glory is great but this one shows so many small details; the scenes showing the camps; some playing what was called rounders that became baseball. Things like that. I have done reenacting and a lot of living history from Rev War to WW2 and everyone I have ever talked to says that this movie sets the mark for realism. Just like Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers do for WW2

  • @maynardwayward12
    @maynardwayward12 2 місяці тому

    The dramatic scenes fall flat

  • @brucecuratola6389
    @brucecuratola6389 6 місяців тому

    My son went to reenact in June 2023. He met a few reenactors that were in this movie, but most said they were hanging it up.

  • @irish66
    @irish66 Місяць тому

    An excellent companion to an excellent movie. Gods and General, although a fine movie is not in the same league. I can;t agree with you on Braveheart though. I thought it was a terrific piece of entertainment. I do realise from reading comments on youtube that to say it is historically inaccurate is letting it off lightly. But if a movie based on historical events grabs me is the most important part. If it is historically accurate, that is just the icing on the cake..

  • @michaelherrera1569
    @michaelherrera1569 6 місяців тому +3

    My degree is in History Education from LSU, although I don't call it the Civil War but as us southerners call it the War of Northern Aggression, this movie was a masterpiece of film work, dedication to accuracy, my hats off to all the reenactors that volunteered thier time and effort to this production. I watch it all the time and never tire of it. I especially love at the end credits how they showed the actors next to the actual photos. I myself am a reenactor as well from the Revolutionary War. (Major 6th Mass. Regmt) I know what these ppl dealt with

  • @maynardwayward12
    @maynardwayward12 2 місяці тому

    Braveheart might be grossly historically inaccurate, but the filmmaking is leagues above Gettysburg

  • @lukelee7967
    @lukelee7967 7 місяців тому +5

    Okay, about Heaven's Gate not working because people didn't want to watch historical epics. No, it's just boring AF. There's a difference. But people who decide what movies get made don't care about movies.

  • @terlecki5367
    @terlecki5367 6 місяців тому

    please make one about war and peace!!!

  • @scubadudefrommaine
    @scubadudefrommaine 7 місяців тому

    Some of the longer beards are the only criticism i have of the film.
    I wish I could watch every scene and remain immersed in the plot of history..but there are definitely a couple of guys that take the magic away for me.
    Too bad the budget wasnt there for proper beards. But such is the explanation of many things..no funds, no products.

  • @georgesmith1144
    @georgesmith1144 6 місяців тому

    I wish the person speaking the narration would pause for breath.

  • @jamesorth6460
    @jamesorth6460 7 місяців тому +3

    too bad they didn't have any of the Culp's Hill fighting in the film

    • @VoidVolken
      @VoidVolken  7 місяців тому +2

      Its a shame and while I would of liked to of seen it presented in the film, the film is already extreamly long.

    • @michaelgmillhollin2818
      @michaelgmillhollin2818 6 місяців тому +2

      Or the role of Custer's and Stuart's Cavalry

    • @gijoe508
      @gijoe508 6 місяців тому +2

      The movie was supposed to be The Killer Angels, based on the book of the same name but they changed the name to Gettysburg which is misleading because it’s only about certain parts of the battle because that’s what the novel covered.

    • @marknewton6984
      @marknewton6984 6 місяців тому

      ​@@gijoe508 A great book!

    • @Condottiere1978
      @Condottiere1978 6 місяців тому

      They just mentioned it barely in the directors cut

  • @crankyinvestor
    @crankyinvestor Місяць тому

    it was done professionally
    the writer is overly-impressed by things done right

  • @keithyork8226
    @keithyork8226 Місяць тому

    I found the script rather verbose.

  • @rahultiwari-dx8qo
    @rahultiwari-dx8qo Місяць тому

    such a flat presentation.,flat rendition like an AI