the god combo is T2 Multiple Man T3 Doc. Strange or Ghost spider T4 Carnage or Venom or Deathlok on the lonely Multiple Man + Iron fist T5 Phoenix (moves becoming a 9+9) T6 Phonenix moves + Ghost spider (or Doc. Strange, see T3) By T6 there are 4 MMs, for a total of 36 points, or even 45, if Ghost Spider and Strange are played both on T6
destroy move is fun when it works out, but its hard to do with all the factors to it, especially with how specific phoenix force’s ability is compared to other cards, not that it isnt bad, its just hard to use, similar to thanos, knull, galactus, etc
Armor feels pretty important in this deck, to protect the buffed Torch, 9 power Multiple Mans, and edge cases like that Fisk Tower game. I think I'd drop Cloak, he seemed to clog lanes more than anything in this.
I saw many people putting deathlock in their Phoenix Force decks, but wouldn't Venom be a straight up upgrade? The smallest card you would want to destroy is a 2 power human torch, which would be equal to the 5 power deathlock with Venom's 3 power, but if you destroy a Multiple Man, Venon is already 1 point up. It would open you up to getting countered by Shadow King, but shadow king screws you over regardless
@@XDak0 But having Venom also alows you to destroy cards you might not want to destroy and still get value out of it, making it so you also get value out of a non optimal Phoenix Force
Game 2 with Bar With No Name, Danger Room, Sanctum Sanctorum was hilarious. Opponent Spider-Ham and Doctor Octopus got countered so hard. Those games with multiple restrictive locations can be frustrating to play, but that was entertaining!
My deck is slightly different however if my starting hand has a multiple man, phoenix and a destroy card I immediately snap, that's an almost guaranteed win with a minimum 9 power multiple man
One of the surprises with Phoenix Force is it doesn't bring back cards that regenerate on destroy. I guess because the card was never technically destroyed as opposed to cards like Zola that does actually destroy the card but then copies it. Cards like Deadpool and Wolverine just don't get destroyed. Disappointed we can't buff deadpool and wolverine with PF but it does help us destroy additional cards with carnage without polluting PF's respawn pool
A good card to use for PF is Rescue if you’re lucky enough to have Zabu down you can play rescue T3, venom the rescue T4 leaving 9 power on that lane come T5 play PF to have a 15 powered rescue and then play a 1 cost card on top of it for 20 power and still having 5 energy on another card!
Leader not working on Phoenix is obviously a bug they need to fix. Wish they would work out more of these card-interaction bugs before they released cards. Frustrating to lose because of them.
Its not a bug, the leader sees the card played but phoenix force no longer exists as the card is now whatever it resurrects. Therefor when leader comes in, it doesn't see any card played on other side. Hope that makes sense
@@thomasmarsh951hich would make sense if leader had a if this card is still in play clause, but it doesn't. "On Reveal: Copy the enemy card(s) with the highest Power played this turn, but on your side."
i run venom instead of deathlock and hulk buster instead of miles. i also run taskmaster over vulture for big pay offs with venom and phoenix (if it copy's torch then taskmaster copy's the power after you move it making him 20+ power easy)
I think Venom might be better than Deathlok here. If you destroy human torch, it's still a 3/5, but if you destroy Multiple Man, you get a 3/6, plus you can always make space in a crowded location without losing power
17:36 the game could have been won by not playing human torch and instead moving the mid multiple man to the left. Or is the effect not copied and one can only move the original resurrected version?
I plan to buy this season pass but after i saw some video gameplay and explaination of these cards, i don't want to buy this season pass, plus because i hate move card deck, i prefer destroy and i hear that next season pass is destroy card, so i would buy that season pass.
i learned that if you rez iron fist by mistake, PF will punch itself for some reason. not sure what the play order was supposed to be, but that weren't it lol
man iron fist is so diverse, in typical move decks u usually play him later with other combos, now in a phoenix deck u wanna hit multiple man early. Bit difficult at first to break the habit of saving iron fist for later ._.
The base cost of the card is what matters for titan. So, since the pig has a base cost of 0, it doesn't get reduced. Death with 2 destroys isn't reduced by Titan either
Mechanically, Pigs are 0 base cost cards that copy the cost/power of whatever Spider-Ham targeted, to use as their CURRENT cost. Meaning they don't get affected by stuff like Magneto, Titan, Zabu, Polaris, etc. regardless of what the cost on their card is. Note: Spider-Ham, Sif, Black Bolt and Colleen all use the current cost when determining what counts as the highest/lowest cost card in your hand though, which is why Spider-Ham is likely to keep targeting the same card if he activates multiple times.
I am having tons of fun with an Electro ramp deck tbh 😄 Yondu is a decent counter, apparently Turns out Phoenix Force actually can't move unless it merges with something 😢
7:15 I think the order that you played and moved Multipleman in this turn was bad. I am not 100% sure, but I think that by playing Ghost Spider first, and then moving Multipleman, it would have "erase" the first move of Multipleman, because of that the copy that should have go to midle location would never proc.
@@codynardone8772 Well, actually I wanted to mention that not all move locations. The Great Web comes to mind as one which moves cards randomly, ignoring the placement order I think. But that's the only one I can think of.
Idk, when Negasonic gets revived won't its ability reset so it can get destroyed again? Seems risky unless you're playing it on turn 6 without priority
@@codynardone8772 I was thinking Knull destroy deck. To be fair I haven't had a chance to sit down and play with the card yet. I'm not sure I completely understand how it works
Regis, I'm disappointed. Imagine not putting Johnny's face in the Phoenix Force... This thumbnail did not meet the high bar you have set up for yourself!
I think if you put that Vulture right, MM mid, and Cloak left, you could've had it. Unless they miraculously drew Hela on turn 6, they couldn't have contested
That game at the end of 17min could've been won by not playing Torch on the last turn and just moving more Phoenixed Multiple Men. Wasted a spot on Torch for like -8 or -9 power.
The card will get nerfed like everything else. You pay $9.99 for a card "that you like," only for it to be nerfed into something you wish you'd never paid for.
That’s normally how it goes. I just played a few games with PF and I’m not sure it will be all that good honestly. It’s kinda clunky. And destroy and move have no synergy besides PF.
It's the heat of the moment.
I lava good fire pun
I'm just over here waiting for the likes to roll in once people get to this part of the video and finally understand this comment.
@@RegisKillbinmaybe I'm just old and like your comment because you got me stuck with an earworm and I can't stop hearing the song.
"Dude, Asia??"
"Come on, you love this song and you know it."
"Yeah, and if I ever hear it again, I'm going to kill myself."
Its reminds me Cartman singing this song
Can confirm that phoenix force counts as the last card played for Ghost Spider. I was able to double move the Human Torch as Phoenix Force on 6.
Doing god's work.
Also works for Taskmaster so you can double Phoenix power and copy it with Task.
I've been cranking out crazy double moves all day. I finally love move!
can also confirm. The interaction is in another vid this morning.
the god combo is
T2 Multiple Man
T3 Doc. Strange or Ghost spider
T4 Carnage or Venom or Deathlok on the lonely Multiple Man + Iron fist
T5 Phoenix (moves becoming a 9+9)
T6 Phonenix moves + Ghost spider (or Doc. Strange, see T3)
By T6 there are 4 MMs, for a total of 36 points, or even 45, if Ghost Spider and Strange are played both on T6
After all these years, I expect nothing less for a deck title from you Regis
I like how you include games that you retreat or lose, instead of just all the wins you have with your built. Much appreciated!
I think you need hulk buster just to beef up torch or m-man when it’s not paired with Phoenix force, makes the heimdal play feel stronger
8:20 Me after moving a 50+ power resurrected human torch into fisk tower
destroy move is fun when it works out, but its hard to do with all the factors to it, especially with how specific phoenix force’s ability is compared to other cards, not that it isnt bad, its just hard to use, similar to thanos, knull, galactus, etc
Armor feels pretty important in this deck, to protect the buffed Torch, 9 power Multiple Mans, and edge cases like that Fisk Tower game. I think I'd drop Cloak, he seemed to clog lanes more than anything in this.
There's a Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire joke to be made somewhere here... I'm not sure where exactly, but it's there
I saw many people putting deathlock in their Phoenix Force decks, but wouldn't Venom be a straight up upgrade? The smallest card you would want to destroy is a 2 power human torch, which would be equal to the 5 power deathlock with Venom's 3 power, but if you destroy a Multiple Man, Venon is already 1 point up.
It would open you up to getting countered by Shadow King, but shadow king screws you over regardless
Well you don’t always hit your cards you want to eat on turn 3 so Deathlok is better for Tempo to play on an empty lane
@@XDak0 But having Venom also alows you to destroy cards you might not want to destroy and still get value out of it, making it so you also get value out of a non optimal Phoenix Force
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@@NoxShadow is easy, Venom is bad cause any ninja, goblin or hood in your zone can counter.
Game 2 with Bar With No Name, Danger Room, Sanctum Sanctorum was hilarious. Opponent Spider-Ham and Doctor Octopus got countered so hard. Those games with multiple restrictive locations can be frustrating to play, but that was entertaining!
I was playing around with this deck this morning, another excellent video regis. you never let us down.
Collapsed mine gives a free 6 power rock that moves, pog
Phoenix Force is like Ghost Rider meets Hulk Buster 😎
The Brave comment about Jubilee in a Destroy deck broke me. 😂😂😂
the bar/danger/sanctum game is mindblowing, i like this game for this kind of crazy stuff happening
Is this the time? Is this finally the time I can use my favorite variant of Multiple Man in a real deck?
My deck is slightly different however if my starting hand has a multiple man, phoenix and a destroy card I immediately snap, that's an almost guaranteed win with a minimum 9 power multiple man
One of the surprises with Phoenix Force is it doesn't bring back cards that regenerate on destroy. I guess because the card was never technically destroyed as opposed to cards like Zola that does actually destroy the card but then copies it. Cards like Deadpool and Wolverine just don't get destroyed. Disappointed we can't buff deadpool and wolverine with PF but it does help us destroy additional cards with carnage without polluting PF's respawn pool
You have my like just because of the title lol
That's an interesting interaction from leader.
Why Not venom instead of deadlock? Isnt venom on average a 3/6 while deadlock is 3/5 right? (Vulture or multiple man eat is 3/6)
I think the reasoning was to be able to tempo it if you have no destroy target.
A good card to use for PF is Rescue if you’re lucky enough to have Zabu down you can play rescue T3, venom the rescue T4 leaving 9 power on that lane come T5 play PF to have a 15 powered rescue and then play a 1 cost card on top of it for 20 power and still having 5 energy on another card!
Well that pun went up in flames
Leader not working on Phoenix is obviously a bug they need to fix. Wish they would work out more of these card-interaction bugs before they released cards. Frustrating to lose because of them.
Its not a bug, the leader sees the card played but phoenix force no longer exists as the card is now whatever it resurrects. Therefor when leader comes in, it doesn't see any card played on other side. Hope that makes sense
@@thomasmarsh951hich would make sense if leader had a if this card is still in play clause, but it doesn't.
"On Reveal: Copy the enemy card(s) with the highest Power played this turn, but on your side."
I'm a simple man, I see leader get owned *I like video*
Random thoughts, what happens if you play PF in a wong lane? Or what happens if you play PF into absorbing man?
Phoenix becomes the new card so won't merge with anything again. But it will retrigger on reveals if the merged card had one.
I have every card on here BUT human torch. What would be a good alternative until then?
Love the title 😂
I think you could have used Fisk tower to your advantage by moving something into it and then resurrecting it with the Phoenix force
"I am very funny" title is gold title rofl. GG.
i run venom instead of deathlock and hulk buster instead of miles. i also run taskmaster over vulture for big pay offs with venom and phoenix (if it copy's torch then taskmaster copy's the power after you move it making him 20+ power easy)
Just curious, why the choice of dead instead of venom?
Big up Regis, love from the UK
I think Venom might be better than Deathlok here. If you destroy human torch, it's still a 3/5, but if you destroy Multiple Man, you get a 3/6, plus you can always make space in a crowded location without losing power
I've yet to have my version work once. Seriously smh. I've won almost all the games I've played but it was strictly due to the standard move package.
17:36 the game could have been won by not playing human torch and instead moving the mid multiple man to the left. Or is the effect not copied and one can only move the original resurrected version?
I need to test to be sure, but it didn't do the float up animation to indicate it could be moved, so I guess I didn't think to try.
Without the human torch, wouldn't have the 6 power multiple man been moved by Heimdall anyway and won the gam
I plan to buy this season pass but after i saw some video gameplay and explaination of these cards, i don't want to buy this season pass, plus because i hate move card deck, i prefer destroy and i hear that next season pass is destroy card, so i would buy that season pass.
i learned that if you rez iron fist by mistake, PF will punch itself for some reason. not sure what the play order was supposed to be, but that weren't it lol
Kingpin is smirking lol
man iron fist is so diverse, in typical move decks u usually play him later with other combos, now in a phoenix deck u wanna hit multiple man early. Bit difficult at first to break the habit of saving iron fist for later ._.
i prefer the opposite actually. kill multiple man/torch on 4 with venom/carnage then play fist to move phoenix force instantly on five.
proves your point though, very diverse, lots of options, REALLY fun.
The video title just so fire 🔥😂
Wonder how this will work with task master after moving around a few times
Bring back the ruffled hair!!
Do you know if the multiple man duplicates after phoenix fire retain the phoenix fire move anywhere ability?
The one you revive keeps its phoenix powers, yes.
25:00 interesting note, 6 cost Pig doesn't get reduced by Titan 😮
Didn't they change the pig from a 4 cost to 0? I don't think it reduces by zabu either
@@blujay8342Pig was Heimdal
The base cost of the card is what matters for titan. So, since the pig has a base cost of 0, it doesn't get reduced. Death with 2 destroys isn't reduced by Titan either
Mechanically, Pigs are 0 base cost cards that copy the cost/power of whatever Spider-Ham targeted, to use as their CURRENT cost. Meaning they don't get affected by stuff like Magneto, Titan, Zabu, Polaris, etc. regardless of what the cost on their card is.
Note: Spider-Ham, Sif, Black Bolt and Colleen all use the current cost when determining what counts as the highest/lowest cost card in your hand though, which is why Spider-Ham is likely to keep targeting the same card if he activates multiple times.
This title... it's perfect
I am having tons of fun with an Electro ramp deck tbh 😄
Yondu is a decent counter, apparently
Turns out Phoenix Force actually can't move unless it merges with something 😢
7:15 I think the order that you played and moved Multipleman in this turn was bad. I am not 100% sure, but I think that by playing Ghost Spider first, and then moving Multipleman, it would have "erase" the first move of Multipleman, because of that the copy that should have go to midle location would never proc.
I reallllyyy want to make a cool Pheonix Panther list but I can’t figure it out
Does Regis not use variants??
Just watched the game at around 20m and PSA you cannot move PF if you don't revive something
Still wanna see someone Phoenix Force Galactus 😂😂😂
What would happen if you phoenix forced Bucky?
17:30 if you moved the multipleman in the mid to the left location and didnt play torch you won
How would he move it to left?
I think you can't move the Phoenixed copy. If you notice at the beginning of Turn 6 only the original Phoenix floats and the copy doesn't.
Does Heimdall always move your cards in order of reveal? I always thought it was random which cards move when locations fill up
Heimdall and all move locations always move cards in order of placement in a given lane.
Left to right, top to bottom with cards at a location.
@@Daltoniss wow that is great to know, thank you!
@@codynardone8772 Well, actually I wanted to mention that not all move locations. The Great Web comes to mind as one which moves cards randomly, ignoring the placement order I think. But that's the only one I can think of.
Phoenix force is crazy with multiple man.
what about wong and phoenix ? Have you tried ?
Wong doesn't let it revive twice. Phoenix becomes the card it revives so it doesn't have the revive ability anymore.
I feel like Negasonic & Phoenix is a no brainer combo
Idk, when Negasonic gets revived won't its ability reset so it can get destroyed again? Seems risky unless you're playing it on turn 6 without priority
@@codynardone8772 I was thinking Knull destroy deck. To be fair I haven't had a chance to sit down and play with the card yet. I'm not sure I completely understand how it works
Regis, I'm disappointed. Imagine not putting Johnny's face in the Phoenix Force... This thumbnail did not meet the high bar you have set up for yourself!
Planning like 4 PF decks, gotta save the spicy stuff. This one gets views simply by being new, don't wanna waste the juice.
@@RegisKillbin I'm gonna hold you to it!!
Clickbait title and Thumbnail...within 9 seconds you said hes actually "pretty cool". How can he be both fire and cool?
Could have deathlok and cloak right deathlok first to destroy carnage and multiman and would of had more space to work with on turn 6
Why didn’t I get lvl 60 reward? Is there a bug?
Top tier title for sure
Pissed the second game turned into a surrender I wanted to see if you got two extra multiple men!!!
I think if you put that Vulture right, MM mid, and Cloak left, you could've had it. Unless they miraculously drew Hela on turn 6, they couldn't have contested
They had a 20 power Apocalypse and multiple 0 cost Swarms, they could have easily contested it.
That game at the end of 17min could've been won by not playing Torch on the last turn and just moving more Phoenixed Multiple Men. Wasted a spot on Torch for like -8 or -9 power.
The copied version can't move
the first game opponent, if you wanna play sandman, keep your electro for 2 points, there is no reason to destroy him because u still playing 1 card
I say this all the time, it's crazy how often people do it. Maybe they topdecked Sandman.
It’s so much work to just get out-powered by everything in the meta
Turn 3 wave, turn 4 spider 2099, turn 5 destroy spider turn 6 iron first into phoenix. And boom.
Is there a reason why you never use variants??
A+ video title!
I don't think Phoenix Force can move on its own. The wording doesn't suggest so and when you had it in play, it didn't look to be hovering.
Correct, PF does not move on it's own.
Anyone know when exactly the patch with the new crates will be?
Should be the 11th.
Leader would probably need priority to copy Phoenix Force
This video was fire 🔥
While I of course enjoy the content, my Like today is for the video title.
getting some asia in on america's birthday
Phoenix cant move by its own. Only the revived card can move.
At 16:30 you could have won if you had moved both multiple man instead of adding torch lol
26:15 Why play a 6/8 instead of a 4/5 and a 2/4 for an extra +1 power on t6?
I mean it didn't matter because they quit, but my point is still pointy.
Sleep deprivation, probably.
@@RegisKillbinI’d tell you the sleep deprivation gets better but I don’t want to lie to you
Op card
The snap youtube community has got so clickbaity lately, i was fully prepared for a namor, orka, wave deck with that title 🤣
Phoenix Force does not feel good as a 5 cost card
The card will get nerfed like everything else. You pay $9.99 for a card "that you like," only for it to be nerfed into something you wish you'd never paid for.
That’s normally how it goes. I just played a few games with PF and I’m not sure it will be all that good honestly. It’s kinda clunky. And destroy and move have no synergy besides PF.
Marvel future fight better
As a dad myself, I expect video titles like this from now on.