BLACK SABBATH drummer Bill Ward interviewed in 2010 about the band's Satanic image | Raw & Uncut
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BLACK SABBATH drummer Bill Ward sat down with Sam Dunn in 2010 for an interview about early British metal for the TV series Metal Evolution. He gave us the real story about the inverted cross on the band's first album, and his personal views on religion. This interview excerpt is presented Raw and Uncut.
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Anybody who doesn't yet know, look up the Black Sabbath live show in Paris, 1970.
Bill Ward was an animal on the drums, and a HUGE part of Sabbath's success.
The man is way underrated. And like people have said, without Ward, it's not Sabbath.
How the hell did he even put up with them? They burned him alive and almost killed him by sealing his pores by painting his whole body. Fuckin hell...
@@TheMastermind729 I agree; Tony even admits it in his autobiography.
The performance of War Pigs at this gig is one of my top ten best things musically of all time, Bill Wards drumming is just off the page, I'm a big Sabs fan from my childhood, and never really appreciated a lot of the drumming, but War Pigs Paris was a real eye opener, absolutely magical, makes me smile now just thinking about it!
Horseshit...
L D Where is the research that will tell me Bill Ward is “underrated?”
Bill and Geezer are probably the greatest rhythm section ever.
no probably about it
Black Sabbath is just not the same without Bill. His drumming on the first 4 albums is second to none.
Smitty the first 5 had everything perfect
The first 6, actually.
Miguel Barahona I don't like technical ecstasy
Wait I forgot about sabbath bloody sabbath
He was great on all the albums he was on. Even his drumming on Heaven and Hell was decent.
Bill's a sweetheart of a man.
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I've heard he's a sweetheart
I've also heard through others who have met him that he is a kind soul and a gentleman. Very in touch with music and metal. He certainly influenced me as drummer and is in my top list along with a few others like Ginger Baker.
All hail Bill Ward. Thank you Mr. Ward for your fantastic, and imaginative drumming. You make all my days better.
The front cover of Black Sabbath is one of the most unforgettable images in rock n roll history. I love it to this day and I've been looking at it for 35 years.
The lady has been id’ed as Louisa Livingstone.
The photo was taken in front of the 15th century Mapledurham Watermill on the River Thames in Oxforshire, England.
my first rock album when i was 12 yrs old had to hide it from my parent's
If you want to see a Black Sabbath reunion, go watch the last supper DVD. That was a reunion. There is no reunion without Bill.
It's awesome that Bill's philosophy in life is very similar black sabbath's lyrics. They were truly on the same wavelength and had the same vision for what they wanted out of the band and out of life.
Bill has lost a lot of weight since then. He's interesting to talk to and very intelligent.
MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISTER BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILL WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just remember,
LOVE is life, and HATE is living death.
Treat your life for what it's worth,
and live for every breath!!!!!
HAHAAAAA
One of my favourite Sabbath songs ("A National Acrobat" from "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath", in case anyone doesn't know).
The OG hard hitter. After seeing him live, he drove to want to bash a drum kit, and that is exactly what I did. Thanks Bill, for sending me down the hard road and not the light one
"we were all heathens, thank God" xD Bill rules
@Paeata Clark jesus christ, may the lord give you the power of seeing irony in all it's many forms.
@Paeata Clark You can be a Heathen , and still believe in God . Different people believe different things about what God is , or does .
Get that on a shirt
@@Mr_Gray_Sky Get that on my tombstone ! "Thank god I was an heathen, or else I'd have burn in hell"
@@youme112233 Not in the same manner of importance.
I love the opening to War Pigs. One of my favourite Bill Ward parts is Rat Salad. Friends of mine went to see Black Sabbath the other day on The End but for me no Bill Ward, no Black Sabbath. I was lucky enough to see Black Sabbath in 2001 and 1998 with Bill Ward and absolutely fantastic especially 2001. I saw them in 2005 and for me too not the same. Bill Ward the last in that great era of versatile drummers who could swing like Bonham and Paice. A very underrated drummer and from this drummer's perspective irreplaceable. My friends were back stage and Sabbath were amazingly nice but such a shame no Bill Ward. Anyone who doubts his prowess get a copy of the Paris 1970 concert and wow he is fantastic.
Dad's house Jeff
A True Legend! If you haven’t heard Bill Wards Album “All Along the Way” listen to it! Masterpiece!🤘🏻🔥✨
any member of sabbath I could prob listen to them talk for hours.
Ozzy back in 80 81 82 before Randy died was actually pretty well spoken. Lol
@@mikereplin4194 hes Aiqht unless you ask him, “Are you sober now?”
Not ozzy lmfao
Very Important Interview Great Job! And Thank you for sharing!
I am totally blown away as to how nice all four of these band members are. Having listened to their music since the beginning, I never paid attention to them speak other than Ozzy. My gosh, I never, ever would have guessed how nice these people really are. Until recently, I never heard them speak! Wild.
One of the best improvisational, heavy beat, style switching, Tom beating, drummer ever!
life and love...amazing words from an even more amazing person. truly inspiring bit. \m/
Sam: One of the best thing about interviewing legendary metal musicias is I get to dig to the root of a lot of metal rumours I remember from my youth, and one of the biggest rumours I can remember was how there ended up being an upside down cross on the inside of the first Black Sabbath record..... here is Bill on that cover.
Can you tell me the story on how the cover came together?
Bill: Emm...well unfor... I dont know the story about the cover
Awesome interview!
Somewhere in Nordiclandia there is a kid who started a black metal band, in full corpsepaint, who just saw this interview. At the end, he looks at the floor, dejected... closeup on his hand opening and his satanic pendants falling into the rubbish bin.
I've watched quite a few of these type interviews over the last weeks (lockdown etc ! ) . I find them fascinating. It is notable how articulate , interesting and likeable many of these "old" rockers are to listen to. This is a good example.
No Bill - no Sabbath!
Truth
Then the Dio and Martin albums aren't "really" Black Sabbath either
One True Vikingbard True
Yep not Sabbath either
OriginalGaucho lack sabbath = no bill
“It’s All Right” from Technical Ecstasy “ .....Bill’s vocals
Hemp Wizard bitchin who knew..?
Also "Swinging the Chain", off of "Never Say Die".
Interesting, but that Album and especially ''It's All Right'' is WAY out of whack and utterly lacked congruence with what Sabbath put out prior to that. Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die have their great moments I suppose, but for the most part they're shit, however those First 6 Albums are probably some of the best Music of it's kind to come out in the last 50 years or so, and will live forever as must own classics.
fantastic artist and drummer, and such a sweet guy
What an interview, Bill is one of my favorites !
Why Ward wasn't asked to the tour is beyond me.
It's funny. Everyone worships the ground Dio walked upon and believed what he said about drums being the most important instrument of metal, even though that may have had something to do with his history with guitarists. Those same people keep alive the "Lars Ulrich sucks" joke, apparently keeping up the belief that a poor drummer can make or break a band.
So how hard is it to believe that Bill Ward, the weakest of the original four members (well he's not Ozzy, a vegan or successfully battling cancer, and he's had a history of poor health), was not up to the challenge of touring?
You can keep your fantasy about sharon osbourne pulling everyone's strings and kicking Bill out over money, but here is a news flash for you: people need to make a living, even musicians. Being a musician is not cheap; a new band might need a disposable $10,000 in order to be able to tour, pay for recording time in a studio, generate merchandise, etc. A giant band like Metallica or Black Sabbath has a touring crew of hundreds, people who they have to pay, and they won't be accepting minimum wage. Bill may not be the healthiest member, but i think he's smart enough to say the right words and manipulate idiot metal-heads into believing his story.
One True Vikingbard in answer to Bill ward not being asked to tour. He released an album called Accountable Beasts like... weeks later. an album which slays Sabbath's latest release
Abeer Haroon You are right his album kicked 13s ass. The sound quality is so much better.
health, money, grudges
Ward is undeniably old and cant physically keep up with the other guys... metal drumming is a lot of work, so he physically couldn't do the live shows
Never got into Black Sabbath until my late 20's. But as a kid under 10 I remember being in an older cousins room and he was playing Black Sabbath and talking about them. He made it a POINT to make me listen to them. Things are so different these days with all the access to every little bit of information you want to find about your favorite bands and singers. But I can tell you back then (late 70's) that DARK.....MYSTERIOUS.......HEAVY....INTIMDATING......SERIOUS AS A HEART ATTACK vibe that I felt from just hearing the music....Ozzy's voice....and absorbing what little information I could gather from looking at a vinyl album cover was something I have not felt since that day. It would be nearly another 20 years before I really got into Ozzy & Black Sabbath in mid 90's. That vibe and energy was still kinda there from what I had remembered but very different. Now that ANOTHER 20 years has passed the music still stands but that dark VIBE of the original members is really totally gone. Ozzy is just an old fuddy-duddy.....Iommi is much more understood and likeable.....Bill Ward is a little complicated and kinda drama......and Geez is just....well Geez....connected to the cosmos. Thank GOD I had that one brief moment with Black Sabbath as a kid. It's the ONE thing I can use to verify that YES.....Ozzy used to be a scary guy. Everything about what I was hearing and whoever it was making them sounds with the guitars and drums was scary as hell. As a kid I didn't think of the music in terms of an actual person behind the music.....the sound was just it's own identity. I didn't know any of their names back then or what they even looked like....but what came out of those speakers and the look of the album cover was DIFFERENT and TERRIFYING compared to all the stuff I was listening to on the radio. I swear I'm starting to believe there is actually something that connects Black Sabbath to the End of Times. They were put here for that purpose. It's as if they're the countdown timer to our DOOM. They started it 49 years ago and now that they're finished it's like the timer just ran out like it did in Independence Day......"Time's Up." There is that brief moment between when the clock hits 00:00 and when the destruction actually begins..............HERE IT COMES.
Well said, my friend. I remember having those same feelings, but I actually heard Paranoid before I heard the first album. Both are amazing and will remain so until the End of Times.
And underrated master.
Great interview, seems like a genuine bloke.
“ I believe in life n love “. Words to live by
- Did you grow up in a religious household ?
- No ... Not at all ... THANKS GOD
and...we're all heathens thank God??? Wow.
Bijan Khazaeli It's sad that people think God and religion are the same thing.
+abaeze anekwe I appreciate your comment and I feel the same way. Religion was created by man to control mankind. Like Mr. Ward just said, he didn't like the guilt (or fear). Life and LOVE are what he believes in, and I didn't find that surprising at all. Have a good day!
Brannagan O'Brannagan Thank you, totally agree.
What evidence is there of any god's existence?
guys just at absolute LEGEND!! makes me proud to be British
James dean was the actor he was trying to recall in “rebel without a cause”.great 50’s films these guys grew up watching,
1st proper real heavy Rock/metal band.
He was referring "The Wild One" with Marlon Brando.
Remarkable how the original lineup are still alive, especially Ozzy. Dude's done enough coke to floor herd of elephants.
really? never heard that one before.
SepticSchizo955 OZZY snorted ants 🐜 🐜
oh YEAH he DID!!!....what a fucking dumbass.....lol.....i bet he quit after that one time....he bit the head off a bat too.....Ozzy just likes to shock people-
SepticSchizo955 he’s still kicking today. I thought Marilyn Manson was gonna follow soon lmao
In his own words, he snorted 6 Rolls-Royces up each nostril.
there's there's only one Black Sabbath and that is Ozzy Tony Geezer and Bill this is Black Sabbath.
soundwavs1961c When I think of Black Sabbath, the original classic version always comes to mind. With that being said, the Sabbath with Dio is just as good musically . I was lucky enough to have seen both versions of Sabbath and both were awesome. But the original will always be the real Sabbath to me.
Without Dio's inclusion in the band i would never have been a fan. Vocally Ozzy sucked to me - I hated his voice - so I never listened much. When Heaven & Hell came out it blew my mind. Just tremendous. That will always be my favorite Sabbath album and lineup.
Shut up, bitch!
no
IDK I love the original Sabbath, but also the RJD years are pretty had to beat
Awesome. Much life and love to the might Bill Ward. Hail Black Sabbath. Thank you, Sam.
I always wondered about the liner notes of Bill's first solo album (love that record) where he thanks the "Father" for things. It's been probably 25 years since I had a copy of it so I can't remember exactly what it says, but the wording always struck me as him acknowledging a belief in a dark guiding force, whatever you want to call it.
I listened to interview about 20 yrs ago of Tony stating that “there is a 5th member of Black Sabbath, a dark figure, not seen but felt, He is always in the studio and even helps write the songs”
Black Sabbath's "Master of Reality" was one of the most lyrically profound records in Metal history. It was also an accurate and excellent bit of theological poetry, especially the title track. The record company demanded that they become a "Satanic band." Tony responded by wearing a cross at every show. Odd. Why were they so insistent on Satanism? I have news for the world: Real satanists don't scream to a crowd about how great Satan is. They are inherently devious liars. They would never say what Venom or King Diamond says. Geezer's lyrics were intensely spiritual and anti-demonic.
Very true, the song “megalomanic” is the perfect example of this
Master of Reality has some of the most overtly Christian lyrics you will ever find anywhere. It just goes to show how people judge things on such a superficial level.
7:22 "We're all heathens, thank God." I laughed out loud when he said that.
Ive been playing drums for 30 yrs now, Bill Ward was the drummer I wanted to play like,I Still play in his style to this day (thankfully I was able to see him play with the rest of Sabbath in 1999) .............Erik Vonderlieth
"we were all heathens, thank god"
was that deliberate?
👍
Lester Bangs famously referred to Sabbath as something akin to Rock N Roll's first catholic band. I absolutely agree. Not to say that they were themselves Catholic. But you hear, like Bill referred to, the guilt, coming out in the music. I never took their darkness to be satanic but rather reflection of the darker aspects of the bible or growing up in a Christian dominated environment. Not to mention that the eponymous song itself sounded closer to catholic mass music than anything I had heard previously. I think Lester was absolutely correct.
Geezer (Butler) wrote most of the band's lyrics and once said he'd had a strict Catholic upbringing, so it's p[etty close to the mark.
Hi I'm interested 😊
Kind of funny how people who don't know their music, consider it anti God and evil! The opposite is the truth, most of their music talks about what happens when you don't listen to God and stray away from his words... Greed, self importance, war and human conditions!
Bill ward is awesome, especially talking about the dark notes and all that , wonderful
I Love Bill Ward!
most excellent, thank you
What a nice, handsome and modest man Bill is! He is one of the people I would like to get to know personally.
He might be single?
Chickenp00nage2 Then he would bei 45 ;-)
group of nice lads from Aston Villa, cheers, mate!
such a great guy, gives credence to his side of the whole fallout of him and the rest of sabbath
Epic dude, I'm missing him on this tour..
Best band ever. This is metal, recorder and finished 2/1969....unbeleivabley scary and hard for the time. Just absolute greatness.
Super nice and very smart, didn't know that.
I first heard Black Sabbath when my brother brought home the Paranoid album in late 1970, I was 8 years old. It scared the crap out of me, I'd never heard anything like it. I remember saying to myself 'I need to do THAT.' Black Sabbath changed my life, it really did. I already had a love for the drums with heroes like Gene Krupa and Buddy Rich but after hearing Bill Ward's work with Black Sabbath I embarked on a musical journey that I still love to this day with no regrets. Thank You, Bill, for sharing your thoughts, your music and inspiration.
Deepest Regards,
Alex G. 😎
Bill Ward must be on anyone's Top 5 drummers of all time in ANY genre. I don't think I can point to anyone who was more musical than Bill Ward. I totally boycotted Black Sabbath's final tour because of how they didn't offer Bill a better deal. That was cold and I also think that Tony Iommi has a tendency to default to playing the victim somewhat.
I think he means James Dean not Marlon Brando Bill Ward is an animal on drums
King Rat No, he meant Brando from “The Wild Ones”.
Bill is a Legend on the Drum Kit.
Bill has an amazing singing voice!
Thanks for all the great music Bill! Your drumming is second to none!
I admire all your interviews. I want your job!
I love this man! Awesome drummer, fantastic singer and a great person.
eu sou do Brasil e vi esse rapaz num documentário incrível chamado Global Metal
Great guy, utterly respected by the fans. Give him some of that Ozzy Cash, he deserves it!
I would dearly love to meet Bill Ward. As much a part of the orignal sound as any of the others if not more.
I figured this interview would touch more on the front cover and the songs more than the inside artwork.
Bill ward had a "family" in Rockport TX, he would visit them every now and then. My buddy told me he would see him at karate class with his son when he was young.
I can't think of a drummer any better than Bill Ward .
One of my favorites EVER!!!
PERIOD.
The quote is actually from the movie The Wild One starring Marlon Brando. The Rebel Without A Cause movie was with James Dean.
One of Hard Rocks greatest Drummer"s
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath album cover is more "Satanic" than the debut... lol
Actually, it's more Christian, look up the story on the artist.
Bill Ward in his prime was one of the finest drummer sin all of Rock and Metal, try seek out the drum solo form that early Paris gig in a club just astonishing technical ability! Bill is also a very humble and decent bloke for what I've seen.
The Master and my living hero Sir Bill Ward 🥁
"Goes great with a rainy day and a bowl of soup."
awesome interview...!! Bill should narrate national geographic or something...soothing voice!!..seems like a good hang!!
I always found Bill Ward to be more insightful on life then the other 3 members of Black Sabbath. I don't know why. Lol
Always loved hearing Bill. always loved that cover as well, something special about it? can't remember the cross tho LOL!
1:11 "Rebel Without a Cause" 1955 was not with Marlon Brando but James Dean.
Favorite drummer of all time
Can you ask Bill how he came to be the singer on the Sabbath tune ' It's Alright' instead of Ozzy..???!!
You are an amazing interviewer how would you like to be a guest on my weekly Talk show that Aires on Facebook and UA-cam at the same time
When asked about the inside of the first album cover with the inverted cross, quote; "None of us liked it". Unquote. It was probably suggested to be put their by someone outside of the band. Most likely suggested by some industry handler who wears a little hat.
The Marlon Brando movie he mention is called “the wild one” that’s where that dialogue came from. It wasn’t from “rebel without a cause” I still listening to Black Sabbath today.
nothing inspired me more to pick up drum sticks when i was sixteen than black sabbaths first album..and it's always them dark notes that get you
-"We were all heathens, thank God." Love you Bill!!
By Tony Iommi's own admission he said 'to be honest' him and the others were interested with the Occult. He said in an interview they used to know the head Druid in England in some sort of organization. Ozzy also half joked in an other interview I saw that 'they got around and put stuff in cauldrons like witches, but it didn't do anything!'. I'm surprised Tony was that honest about that, because if you listen to the lyrics of songs like the inverted meanings in 'After Forever' (The Son of Sam, who was a Occultist by his own admission, put those lyrics at murder scenes, and Ozzy said the band went 'to far' with what they wrote. The Occult band Tool also had the same theme in lyrics to 'Opiate') and titles of albums like 'Master of Reality' has Occult meanings normal people would not think of without knowing a little about it. Bill Ward is a friend of my mother and I've actually met him. I would never ask him about that though. I have only asked about the band Type O Negative, cause he mentioned that band on That Metal Show, and he said his favorite Type O record is 'Life is Killing Me'. He also mentioned he loved Godsmack when I told him about their cover of Sweet Leaf and that he would check out that song.
1:42 Ozzy liked it. In his autobiography told that he was excited about all image on album, also the inverted cross, but also told, he never took it seriously all that satanic stuff
Geezer told a story where Ozzy gave him an old grimoire book and he told Geezer to look it over and keep it by the bedside every night when he went to sleep. Geezer would eventually see a dark apparition appear before him while he was in bed. Freaked him out so much that he got rid of the grimoire book and told Ozzy about the experience. Then the song Iron Man was written because of this supernatural experience.
GRANDE BILL WARD........maestro de maestros.
Bill beat the shit out the drums back in the day, It was a shame he could not tour with Sabbath, But to his credit they had to find a much younger drummer to play his part. Would be incredibly hard for someone who was not fit or has not played in a long time to pull it off, I think Bill knew he could not due his old work justice so he bowed out. One only has to watch old videos to see the energy and how savage he was in his youth to a drum set. Lars is able to beat the crap out of drums still because he never stopped
I think Bill was better than Tony and Geezer in interviews. Although it may be because the other two were tired of being asked the same stupid questions a million times. But it is nice to hear him give his point of view.
Banger !
I've watched a few Bill Ward interviews. He comes across as a likeable, well mannered and humble person. Great drummer too.
" I believe in life. And love" totally misunderstood as a band, especially a song with a title like Children of the Grave : Show the world that love is still alive
You must be brave
Or you children of today are
Children of the Grave
All their songs are warning of evil, but some people don't understand the lyrics.
Um dos melhores bateristas da sua época, gosto muito de seu trabalho, e os outros também 😀😃😎
Where's part 2? 3? ahhh!
Bill is a fantastic drummer, one of the very very best,and all the members or sabbath are very down to earth, very polite, and not let fame get to their heads.yes ozzy is wild, but he was wild before sabbath anyway, that's just his makeup.
Interviewer: "Did you grow up in a religious household?" Bill: "No, not at all... we were all heathen, thank God!" Lol
Life and love. There you go. Long live Bill Ward
Early Sabbath actually has a very PRO-christian message. That being said, Ozzy's infamous, "The hell with this peace & love shit. Let's SCARE everybody!" is what set the tone for ALL Metal to come. The fact that people who hate Metal still think they're a "Satanic" band only adds to their mystique and legend. In that sense, the inverted cross in that first album was as much a happy accident as their bad review which spawned the derogatory label of "Heavy Metal".
Religion has been rightly framed as a cartoon or a comic book by Metal. Christians still don't seem to realize the Satanic imagery and subject matter is all a joke at their religion's expense. Religion is mythology. "The Devil", based on older mythic gods, is merely a Horror villain...a caricature.
But I can see why "my name is Lucifer -- please take my hand" or "Take your body to a corpse" coupled with that much power scared the bejeebus out of our parents. It would have been hard not to take literally when music and their world was changing so radically. They rarely had the same problem with Vincent Price for instance, because he wasn't backed by the soundtrack for Armageddon played not so much in decibels but on the Richter scale.
Golgotha_Mythos69 r
Golgotha_Mythos69 especially the Masters of Reality album.
If you ever read the Bible, being the oldest book ever to be written, you would know the devil is not a myth, but a fallen angel, named "Morning Star", who was cast out of heaven by God, and who now roams the earth like a hungry lion, looking for those he can destroy.
The holy bible its just a book,but a really good book,one of the best ever made,with a deep message,the true prupose of the bible its be like a life guide for any person, which its not bad at all...and ok, don't match with actual times in many cases but still the same in many others.The characters are amazing,the devil,its not a caricature or a joke,the devil is one of the best and most pure characters in the history,who talks about the way how the people act,feel or think and its something still really REAL this days,you just want to make angry or disrespect the people who belive in God to found some power,its ok,maybe because they atack something you respect like metal,but Im sure Black Sabbath,specially Geezer,understands perfectly the figure of the devil,lucifer,the trickster...and uses to make great lyrics,that mystique you talk its not a pose,its something so deep,and its what make some metal lyrics so great....
Well if people don't want think like a simple apes (which its not bad,we are all apes,and the people can be happy anyways) but if someone want to know about the conscious part of the human beings I think its really interesting study the mental proces of the people alongside those 30.000 years....and that my friends inclounds religions too.And no offense,but if you want to disrespect the power of the emotions since "the devil its merely a horror villain,just a joke or a caricature" you are basically disrespecting any good art including Black Sabbath.Which is funny to me because it seems like a you are a "trully" metal fan...people often got mindfucked by nihilism,its ok :'D ,but nihilism its not just insult the christians man...Its more about belive in what you feel and not just copy paste.