First off, nice rifle. A few things I'll add. From research done on these, around 19K were made. Next, as you said, the rifle was the property of the emperor; therefore, the Japanese soldier would never throw the dust cover or any other part of the rifle away. What happened was when the GI's captured the rifles and took the bolt out they just threw away the dust cover. Further, the dust cover is actually quiet when the bolt is closed. It only rattles when the bolt is operated and by that time the enemy know where you are. It's the old Garand "ping" folklore. Having the mum intact increases the value significantly. Last, believe it or not they are very accurate for a break apart rifle. I hope it finds a nice home.
In the original Manchurian Candidate movie a Type 2 was "sporterized" with a scope. The gun was recycled in the first "Dirty Harry" movie where it was described as a 30-06. For years Rutgers Gun and Boat Shop in Highland Park, NJ had a Type 2 with a added scope on display but not for sale. But eventually it disappeared. The owner was Mark Aziz, former president of the New Jersey Arms Collectors and a publisher of many gun books.
I used to collect Arisakas. The added groove on the stock behind the sling swivel is to engage the quick engage/release clasp on the sling. I have never heard any solid evidence as to who or why the MUM was defaced. I don't see how they used complete rifles to manufacture the Type II. I have had a few over the years, including some "Parts guns". The major diameter of the threads in a standard receiver is .030 or more over the bored diameter. The barrel socket seats in both the added block and the original receiver. Of the handful I have had, there was no evidence of the original thread in the receiver NOT cleaning up after being bored. Still, as you stated, the numbers match on the original parts. Even the number on the bayonet lug matches. One of the mysteries of military rifles that has bothered me for years.
Nice video Tom. I like how you interwove history with describing the gun. The historical clips really helped as did the use of Ian's info from Forgotten Weapons. Thank you!
Japan had 2 totally separated military entity, army and navy. Each one formed their one branch of nearly everything, henche they had Navy Air Force and Army air force as well as Navy paratroopers and army paratroopers
@@jasonjones1190 They made a lof of weapons and designs in general. 50% of them got scrapped while in the design phase, 30% in the experimental, and 5% accepted then trashed or replaced. The remaining 15% were those that were already designed in the 30s and still used or using up most of the logistics and steel that it did not matter (looks at the huge number of plane and tank types that kept getting built).
The Japanese Imperial Army Paratrooper Type 2, break-down infantry rifle was ingenious. It was a solution that the German Fallschirmjager paratrooper force never replicated. The Fallschirmjagers had to detach their clumsy parachute harnesses, a process that took up to 80 seconds and then look for any nearby weapons container that held their infantry weapons. For one matter, a German paratrooper would retrieve a Mauser 98K out of a weapons container that wasn't zeroed in for his eyes. He would have to quickly adjust the rifle's sights. All this time the enemy was peppering him and his colleagues with long-range rifle fire. Upon landing the only weapon held by a Fallschirmjager was a semi-auto pistol for short range self-defense, clearly not an ideal solution. Why the Germans never copied the Japanese break-down parachute infantry rifle remains a mystery. Perhaps it was pride or the German sense of superiority over Japanese weapons; after all the Arisaka rifle was derivative of the Mauser 98.
I was lucky enough to handle one at a Ohio Gun Collector’s Association meeting a few years back. Really cool rifle. Way out of my budget! I also really enjoy these old war movie clips. I think it adds to the theme of these videos nicely.
@@jimgrun6473 this warms my heart. He got me into it by giving me an experimental cartridge as well. I worked with Gene for a decade at Triangle precision. One of the best men I ever knew. His collection was insane. Nice to know you knew him.
@@joshuagibson2520 it is exactly people like him that pay it forward and encourage the next generation. I hope someone picks up his passion. Him and others like him have helped me along the way.
It is incorrect to say the Type 2's were pulled randomly from the Nagoya arsenal production lines. You are thinking of the Type 100's and Type 1's, which actually were pulled directly from the arsenals standard Type 99 and Type 38 carbine production lines. These were literally standard rifles cut and modified for the experimental paratrooper rifles. You keep referring to the Type 2 as a regular Type 99 cut in half, but they are not. Unlike the other experimental models you mentioned, which were cut as you described, the Type 2 was built from the factory as such, and has a specific serial range. Just wanted to clarify that a bit. Nice rifle in the video.
Maybe, but you still have the original serial numbers, even on the barrel. There are just too many unknowns and confirmed rumors on war production. I had and saw many last ditch rifles with no serial number at all.
@@oldgoat1890 Not sure what you're getting at. Type 2's 100% have their own distinct production separate from the standard 99 production at Nagoya at the time. And what serial number on the barrel? The serial number is on the receiver, nothing on the barrel. The original serial number on the Type 2 is just that, the original serial number. It's not pulled from the racks like the prototype rifles were. There's no denying that. Comparing late war production to mid war when these were made is like comparing apples to oranges. Not the same things at all. I own plenty of late war rifles without serial numbers as well, but you can't compare that to Type 2 production.
The Japanese never adopted the "All-Purpose General Infantry Rifle" as did the Americans, British, Germans, and Italians. The all-purpose general infantry rifle typically held a 22-24 inch barrel. The Japanese kept their infantry rifle barrels at 30 inches. The Type 2 paratrooper rifle would have been even handier had the barrel been shortened to 24 inches. Experience showed that 24 inches was the minimal length of rifle barrel best suited for full-powered infantry rifle cartridges. Anywhere shorter and the muzzle blast and recoil would be greater and far more uncomfortable. In 1944 the Soviet Red Army finally adopted a widespread, 20-inch carbine version of the M1891 Mosin Nagant bolt action rifle. The muzzle blast and recoil were very pronounced. Military firearm historians still express puzzlement at the Soviet Union's adoption of an archaic infantry rifle weapon so late in WW2. The old adage, "Better late than never" must have been the reason. Nonetheless, the M44 Soviet carbine proved popular, especially with Red Army troops who manned artillery and others who did not need a full size infantry rifle, but needed better self-defense than a pistol could provide, the same reasoning behind the U.S. Army's M1 carbine. Even the Red Chinese would later go on to widely manufacture copies of the M44 for their own armies.
As usual another awesome video Tom . Thank you so much :) Did you guys catch that poor soul @ 7:24 ?? looks like his chute won't or didn't open ... dam
I own one of these where the assembly numbers coincidentally match the serial number of the gun. You mentioned that would never be the case but surely it could have happened?
Im not sure about the dust cover rattle but on my type 2 with a dust cover if you get to aggressive running the bolt to does a good job of cutting open a finger
I have a Type 2 in the 4,000 range. Has mum, unfortunately the number on the rear takedown is 447 and the front is 449 with a front band 689. Looking to trade with whoever has the mix up the other way around.
I think paratrooper weapons are more portable and better than Infantry standard types, because a paratrooper move more quickly then the infantry soldier, they most train on the go!!!!😃👍👍
Nicely done! Guess you'll be keeping that one in your personal collection, huh? Have you thought of doing a video on your personal collection before? Maybe not the whole collection, but maybe the top 10 oddest/personal favorites...something like that?
I wonder why they added detachable bolt handle. They could have just bent the handle 90degrees downward just like how other nations' infantry rifles did.
Tom it is easy to prefer the M1 Paratrooper carbine or FG 42 Everyone does! check my handle. I believe the Japanese Type 1 and Type 2 Paratrooper rifles were made in 1942 slightly before the US and German designs came on line. They both were much better. The finish on your type 2 shows that the Japanese could make fine looking guns.
The claim that it was the Japanese that scraped off the imperial crest is likely correct, because even when Japan sold weapons to other countries they removed the crest and instead just printed another emblem in it's place. Most rifles in the USA have scraped off imperial crests, because most rifles in the USA were gained when the Japanese handed over their rifles. Only a small minority of rifles in the USA still have the imperial crest, and these ones are almost certainly ones that were instead captured on the battlefield, basically taken off a dead soldier. Remaining Japanese rifles in museums in Japan still all have the crest on them. For a true foreign collector, one with the imperial crest inside America should be worth much more money, because it means it was very likely captured during the war, and it isn't one of the defaced merely handed in ones at the end of the war that were handed in by the tens of thousands. Also according to the Japanese, ones made at the start of the war are superior quality, ones made towards the end of the war are poor quality, this is because they were using anything they could to try to pump out more rifles as the war was going bad and resources were cut off (even mere statues on the street were taken to be melted for metal).
7:23 I could be wrong.....But even though the guy on the left hand side of the screen could have won the race to the ground. I don't think he enjoyed his victory.
Hey man, get your history straight. The rescue of Mussolini did not involve paratroopers. They used gliders along with one motorized plane to fly him out.
This might need to be fixed on wikipedia - quote -- The Gran Sasso raid was the rescue of Italian dictator Benito Mussolini from the Gran Sasso d'Italia massif by German paratroopers and Waffen-SS commandos in September 1943, during World War II. The airborne operation was personally ordered by Adolf Hitler, approved by General Kurt Student, and planned and executed by Major Harald Mors.
@@edwardtinker4406 Once again, get your history straight. Yes the soldiers were "paratroopers" but they absolutely did not use parachutes during this operation. This whole video focuses on the fact that because paratroopers parachute into battle they need specific, specialized (usually more compact) weaponry. Using the Gran Sasso raid as and example in this case is wrong - it was not a time that paratroopers were actually used as paratroopers. That's like calling an infantry battle a tank battle because it just so happened that tank crews were utilized as boots on the ground. If I may, a quote you left out from wikipedia: "...the Campo Imperatore was captured at 14:00 in a ground attack by two paratrooper companies led by Major Harald Mors, who was commander-in-chief of the whole raid." GROUND ATTACK
"wanted to keep up with the latest innovations" only used bolt action rifles and never showed much interest in semi autos or SMGs for close quarter jungle fighting
I heard that the mum was pretty much more of a property mark than a disgrace/national pride thing. I heard that mums have been seen defaced on equipment that was sold/surplussed in addition to the vast majority that were surrendered.
Dont be silly. Not sure if you knew this but when a soldier or army surrenders the FIRST thing they do is surrender their weapons. It is the property of the US to dispose of how they wish.
First off, nice rifle. A few things I'll add. From research done on these, around 19K were made. Next, as you said, the rifle was the property of the emperor; therefore, the Japanese soldier would never throw the dust cover or any other part of the rifle away. What happened was when the GI's captured the rifles and took the bolt out they just threw away the dust cover. Further, the dust cover is actually quiet when the bolt is closed. It only rattles when the bolt is operated and by that time the enemy know where you are. It's the old Garand "ping" folklore. Having the mum intact increases the value significantly. Last, believe it or not they are very accurate for a break apart rifle. I hope it finds a nice home.
Very true , it is like the Garand “ping”, you didn’t hear it when everyone was shooting . Most likely the last thing you are thinking about
In the original Manchurian Candidate movie a Type 2 was "sporterized" with a scope. The gun was recycled in the first "Dirty Harry" movie where it was described as a 30-06. For years Rutgers Gun and Boat Shop in Highland Park, NJ had a Type 2 with a added scope on display but not for sale. But eventually it disappeared. The owner was Mark Aziz, former president of the New Jersey Arms Collectors and a publisher of many gun books.
May have been an -06 by then. I actually had a standard T-99 that was reworked to 30-06 by the US Military. Many civilian reworks too.
Very informative to show all 3 types. Much appreciated.
I used to collect Arisakas. The added groove on the stock behind the sling swivel is to engage the quick engage/release clasp on the sling. I have never heard any solid evidence as to who or why the MUM was defaced. I don't see how they used complete rifles to manufacture the Type II. I have had a few over the years, including some "Parts guns". The major diameter of the threads in a standard receiver is .030 or more over the bored diameter. The barrel socket seats in both the added block and the original receiver. Of the handful I have had, there was no evidence of the original thread in the receiver NOT cleaning up after being bored.
Still, as you stated, the numbers match on the original parts. Even the number on the bayonet lug matches. One of the mysteries of military rifles that has bothered me for years.
Tom, That was a very educational video. Thank.
Just got here from Ian's video. Beautiful rifles all over UA-cam today!
Nice video Tom. I like how you interwove history with describing the gun. The historical clips really helped as did the use of Ian's info from Forgotten Weapons. Thank you!
Japan had 2 totally separated military entity, army and navy. Each one formed their one branch of nearly everything, henche they had Navy Air Force and Army air force as well as Navy paratroopers and army paratroopers
Many thanks Tom, excellent video!!!!
Thanks Tom, most interesting.. I never knew the Japanese made a take down for airborne troops, you learn something new every day!!
They made take downs and folders. They made a lot of different guns that never got issued, it is a deep rabbit hole.
@@jasonjones1190 They made a lof of weapons and designs in general. 50% of them got scrapped while in the design phase, 30% in the experimental, and 5% accepted then trashed or replaced. The remaining 15% were those that were already designed in the 30s and still used or using up most of the logistics and steel that it did not matter (looks at the huge number of plane and tank types that kept getting built).
Awesome video as always. Easy to learning from you Sir! Books did not saying all this information
Great and informative video. Thank you!
Another excellent, entertaining video
great vid on a rare rifle
Thank you for this video, I need only 3 more guns for my collection that I want and this is one of them.
I saw one of these parachute rifles, polished and chromed, almost threwup in the store.
Thanks again Tom great vid and the information is always interesting!
That's a really nice piece
As usual Tom a very interesting and informative video ... good stuff...
Dear Tom, the Colombian Coffee its very good too
Nice information. Like how the engineers worked the gun to suit the paratroopers.
I'm not really a connoisseur of Japanese regalia, but that rifle is B-E-A-UTIFUL :)
The Japanese Imperial Army Paratrooper Type 2, break-down infantry rifle was ingenious. It was a solution that the German Fallschirmjager paratrooper force never replicated. The Fallschirmjagers had to detach their clumsy parachute harnesses, a process that took up to 80 seconds and then look for any nearby weapons container that held their infantry weapons. For one matter, a German paratrooper would retrieve a Mauser 98K out of a weapons container that wasn't zeroed in for his eyes. He would have to quickly adjust the rifle's sights. All this time the enemy was peppering him and his colleagues with long-range rifle fire. Upon landing the only weapon held by a Fallschirmjager was a semi-auto pistol for short range self-defense, clearly not an ideal solution.
Why the Germans never copied the Japanese break-down parachute infantry rifle remains a mystery. Perhaps it was pride or the German sense of superiority over Japanese weapons; after all the Arisaka rifle was derivative of the Mauser 98.
I was lucky enough to handle one at a Ohio Gun Collector’s Association meeting a few years back. Really cool rifle. Way out of my budget! I also really enjoy these old war movie clips. I think it adds to the theme of these videos nicely.
Did you ever know Gene Spicer from Oh gun collectors? He was mainly into cartridges and target balls. I miss that guy.
@@joshuagibson2520 I do remember that guy. I think he gave my son a cartridge. He had a killer collection.
@@jimgrun6473 this warms my heart. He got me into it by giving me an experimental cartridge as well. I worked with Gene for a decade at Triangle precision. One of the best men I ever knew. His collection was insane. Nice to know you knew him.
@@joshuagibson2520 it is exactly people like him that pay it forward and encourage the next generation. I hope someone picks up his passion. Him and others like him have helped me along the way.
The type 2 was used in the opening scene of Dirty Harry where the Scorpio killer shoots the woman in the pool.
Love these videos! Learning quite a bit.
On Crete the British were waiting for them as well, so no surprise.
It is likely that it was kiwi or Greek troops rather than the British that first met & annihilated the German paratroops.
@@arthurcrime My Buddy's Uncle was in the Crete drop. They took the majority of their losses before they hit the ground.
It is incorrect to say the Type 2's were pulled randomly from the Nagoya arsenal production lines. You are thinking of the Type 100's and Type 1's, which actually were pulled directly from the arsenals standard Type 99 and Type 38 carbine production lines. These were literally standard rifles cut and modified for the experimental paratrooper rifles.
You keep referring to the Type 2 as a regular Type 99 cut in half, but they are not. Unlike the other experimental models you mentioned, which were cut as you described, the Type 2 was built from the factory as such, and has a specific serial range.
Just wanted to clarify that a bit. Nice rifle in the video.
Maybe, but you still have the original serial numbers, even on the barrel. There are just too many unknowns and confirmed rumors on war production. I had and saw many last ditch rifles with no serial number at all.
@@oldgoat1890 Not sure what you're getting at. Type 2's 100% have their own distinct production separate from the standard 99 production at Nagoya at the time. And what serial number on the barrel? The serial number is on the receiver, nothing on the barrel. The original serial number on the Type 2 is just that, the original serial number. It's not pulled from the racks like the prototype rifles were. There's no denying that. Comparing late war production to mid war when these were made is like comparing apples to oranges. Not the same things at all. I own plenty of late war rifles without serial numbers as well, but you can't compare that to Type 2 production.
The Japanese never adopted the "All-Purpose General Infantry Rifle" as did the Americans, British, Germans, and Italians. The all-purpose general infantry rifle typically held a 22-24 inch barrel. The Japanese kept their infantry rifle barrels at 30 inches. The Type 2 paratrooper rifle would have been even handier had the barrel been shortened to 24 inches. Experience showed that 24 inches was the minimal length of rifle barrel best suited for full-powered infantry rifle cartridges. Anywhere shorter and the muzzle blast and recoil would be greater and far more uncomfortable.
In 1944 the Soviet Red Army finally adopted a widespread, 20-inch carbine version of the M1891 Mosin Nagant bolt action rifle. The muzzle blast and recoil were very pronounced. Military firearm historians still express puzzlement at the Soviet Union's adoption of an archaic infantry rifle weapon so late in WW2. The old adage, "Better late than never" must have been the reason. Nonetheless, the M44 Soviet carbine proved popular, especially with Red Army troops who manned artillery and others who did not need a full size infantry rifle, but needed better self-defense than a pistol could provide, the same reasoning behind the U.S. Army's M1 carbine. Even the Red Chinese would later go on to widely manufacture copies of the M44 for their own armies.
You meant interesting anecdote not antidote did you? 😉
This was terrific, Thank you!
A local shop had one of these recently, it didn't last long. As I recall it was complete.
i believe the notch on the stock is clearance for hook type slings
Thank you !!!"
cool :)
Very interesting Japanese Paratrooper Rifle !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Never heard of one. Thanks.
always interesting and well done videos!
As usual another awesome video Tom .
Thank you so much :)
Did you guys catch that poor soul @ 7:24 ?? looks like his chute won't or didn't open ... dam
Looks like he was wraped in parachute😲🪂
I own one of these where the assembly numbers coincidentally match the serial number of the gun. You mentioned that would never be the case but surely it could have happened?
Never saw one but I guess random numbers by chance could potentially hit the lottery once in a while. Its just 3 digits.
Maybe someone did it unscrupulously.
This is a silly nit-pick, but in a darkened room with a dark furniture rifle like that, your black shirt makes the ngs difficult to see.
Im not sure about the dust cover rattle but on my type 2 with a dust cover if you get to aggressive running the bolt to does a good job of cutting open a finger
Very interesting video!
Fantastic!!! BR Brasil
Reminds me of Jhin's arsenal
I have a Type 2 in the 4,000 range. Has mum, unfortunately the number on the rear takedown is 447 and the front is 449 with a front band 689. Looking to trade with whoever has the mix up the other way around.
Japanese rifles have a straight bolt?
Ummm, didn't the Nagant also have a straight bolt in WWII?
Indeed it did !
Forgotten Weapons.... Ian's Father did write an extensive book on Japanese weapons.
I think paratrooper weapons are more portable and better than Infantry standard types, because a paratrooper move more quickly then the infantry soldier, they most train on the go!!!!😃👍👍
i just saw something i would like to have ..aircraft rifle gun sights for the coffee table
Nicely done! Guess you'll be keeping that one in your personal collection, huh? Have you thought of doing a video on your personal collection before? Maybe not the whole collection, but maybe the top 10 oddest/personal favorites...something like that?
8:13, interesting antidote? 🤭
Yes. That was an oeps...:) Think he meant anecdote
Along with the Dust cover and the Monopod they needed to also throw away the Anti Aircraft Sight wings
I wonder why they added detachable bolt handle. They could have just bent the handle 90degrees downward just like how other nations' infantry rifles did.
Tom it is easy to prefer the M1 Paratrooper carbine or FG 42 Everyone does! check my handle. I believe the Japanese Type 1 and Type 2 Paratrooper rifles were made in 1942 slightly before the US and German designs came on line. They both were much better. The finish on your type 2 shows that the Japanese could make fine looking guns.
Nishiki-Terajuu
Could have explained bolt lockup .
The claim that it was the Japanese that scraped off the imperial crest is likely correct, because even when Japan sold weapons to other countries they removed the crest and instead just printed another emblem in it's place. Most rifles in the USA have scraped off imperial crests, because most rifles in the USA were gained when the Japanese handed over their rifles. Only a small minority of rifles in the USA still have the imperial crest, and these ones are almost certainly ones that were instead captured on the battlefield, basically taken off a dead soldier.
Remaining Japanese rifles in museums in Japan still all have the crest on them.
For a true foreign collector, one with the imperial crest inside America should be worth much more money, because it means it was very likely captured during the war, and it isn't one of the defaced merely handed in ones at the end of the war that were handed in by the tens of thousands.
Also according to the Japanese, ones made at the start of the war are superior quality, ones made towards the end of the war are poor quality, this is because they were using anything they could to try to pump out more rifles as the war was going bad and resources were cut off (even mere statues on the street were taken to be melted for metal).
These guns only make me think of one thing, the Dirty Harry movies
7:23 I could be wrong.....But even though the guy on the left hand side of the screen could have won the race to the ground. I don't think he enjoyed his victory.
日本製ありがと
Hey man, get your history straight. The rescue of Mussolini did not involve paratroopers. They used gliders along with one motorized plane to fly him out.
This might need to be fixed on wikipedia - quote -- The Gran Sasso raid was the rescue of Italian dictator Benito Mussolini from the Gran Sasso d'Italia massif by German paratroopers and Waffen-SS commandos in September 1943, during World War II. The airborne operation was personally ordered by Adolf Hitler, approved by General Kurt Student, and planned and executed by Major Harald Mors.
@@edwardtinker4406 Once again, get your history straight. Yes the soldiers were "paratroopers" but they absolutely did not use parachutes during this operation. This whole video focuses on the fact that because paratroopers parachute into battle they need specific, specialized (usually more compact) weaponry. Using the Gran Sasso raid as and example in this case is wrong - it was not a time that paratroopers were actually used as paratroopers. That's like calling an infantry battle a tank battle because it just so happened that tank crews were utilized as boots on the ground. If I may, a quote you left out from wikipedia: "...the Campo Imperatore was captured at 14:00 in a ground attack by two paratrooper companies led by Major Harald Mors, who was commander-in-chief of the whole raid." GROUND ATTACK
The reason Hitler forbade any further drops, too many loses.
Tom, you were nervous and all over the place in this video, take some diazepam and slow down a tad.
Perfect for the duffle bag...
"wanted to keep up with the latest innovations"
only used bolt action rifles and never showed much interest in semi autos or SMGs for close quarter jungle fighting
I heard that the mum was pretty much more of a property mark than a disgrace/national pride thing. I heard that mums have been seen defaced on equipment that was sold/surplussed in addition to the vast majority that were surrendered.
The chrysanthemum is a mon not a mum, just saying
?? From the chrysanthemum empire? And its not a MUM?
In Japan it is a mon or personal Chop or signature of the Emperor. In the US we call it a Mum
This gun should be immediately returned to Japan and any person connected to it's theft prosecuted!
Dont be silly. Not sure if you knew this but when a soldier or army surrenders the FIRST thing they do is surrender their weapons. It is the property of the US to dispose of how they wish.
LMAO anything else you feel we should give back?
Why are you on this site if that's the way you feel?