The 15 inch butterfly keyboard MacBook Pro is good now?!?
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- It’s now getting close to a year since the 16 inch MacBook Pro replaced the 2019 15 inch MacBook Pro with butterfly keyboard. In the past months the previous 2018 and 2019 MacBook Pros have significantly dropped in value, leaving us to ask the question: are they worth it in 2020?
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wow those prices are really good! maybe I can afford one in 27 years or something
Yeah how would you like to use a high end pc from 1993 yeah wouldn't be cool😂😂😂😂
oli tesla haha I’m currently using a 2008 that’s not so far
@@jhbergallo I'm on a 2006 lol
@@jhbergallo im on a 2011, not too bad
27 like an iMac 🖥?
Those prices are insanely good, but spending $1,500 on an ebay listing gives me anxiety 😂
YES Same THANK YOU
Jean I know. The amount he relies on eBay is astounding! I’m curious if the free insurance included on most credit cards would cover eBay purchases...
Just make sure you read the entire description and check the seller rating before buying. Ebay has gotten a lot better at protecting buyers
Same lol
exactly
Why are we talking about Butterfly keyboards? I thought they were as dead as my future lifespan.
*_Yikers.._*
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hahahhahaha
Lmao
bruh your better than my first gen intel i5 "hd" graphics
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The Luke Miani Effect: making recommendations causes low supply and prices to temporarily spike lol
haha he trying to sell his stocks of 15 inch mac books
For me, any Mac with a butterfly keyboard is never worth it. Being able to use the keyboard without fear of it breaking is paramount.
That’s why I got a 2020 one with magic keyboard
My 2016 13" never had a keyboard issue. I say that in the past tense as I ended up with a swollen battery and Apple replaced the whole top case including keyboard for free - so now I have the 2017 (I think, maybe newer) keyboard and have never had an issue with that either.....
4 years using the butterfly keyboard and never had any issue
I went through three keyboard replacements before selling my MBP 13 after replacing it again. I’d avoid the butterfly keyboard at all costs.
@@MichaelGGarry dude every Mac has failing keyboards, as well as failing display cables. Sure some of them might be OK, a lot fail and this is just plain bad design and a crappy product and customer service that cannot be excuses.
Purchased a MacBook Pro 15 (2019) with the i9 and 560X back in September, 2019. Still sounds and works as a good machine should, and no regrets of missing out on the new 16-inch MacBook Pro 😁😁😅😅.
Shoudn’t you just wait for the 16” ARM MacBook Pro to come out so that the 2019 16” drops in price so you can avoid the butterfly keyboard and get the 5000 series graphics cards?
I think he explained why in the video
You could, but as I said the 16” Apple Silicon MacBook isn’t due for a while- could be more than a year. If you can hold out then by all means do, but if you have a budget under 2K or you need a laptop soon then that’s not really an option
@@lukemiani Ok, thanks.
yeah
The 16" ARM macbook is really what I want but seems unlikely because (a) intel doesn't even have a Tiger Lake chip ready for it until Q1 2021, or (b) if Apple jumps right to ARM, they are lagging on the gpu front. It's possible it could be mid-2021, or late 2021, but no one know =/
Sent from my 2019 i9 15 inch MacBook Pro...refreshing to see this video.
I'd feel more comfortable if official failure rates were ever published. There's some scattered reports of the 3.5 gen Butterfly keyboard failing but it doesn't seem as widespread, but at the same time it was old news by then, so I'd really love actual numbers which we'll never get out of Apple.
I like the new camera angle!
I have a 2019 15“ MacBook Pro and i Can say That it is an incredible good Price and you should defenetly spend the Money on it
How is it a good price when you gonna have to spend god knows how much to get the keyboard fixed.... and even the new keyboard will break.....That's why they stopped making them.
The old Butterfly keys didn't have adequate cushioning to dissipate the hammering force of typing fingers. Those keys didn't have a "rubber cushioning" of some kind and that was why some people complained of key travel factor diminishment. Apple just needed to apply some rubber cushioning seal ring of some kind so that there would be a simulated sensation of some significant pronounced key travel effect being felt while typing.. I guess. Those MacBooks were and are still cool anyway.
Those old butterfly keys just needed each a rubber cushioning seal ring so that those keys can rest momentarily thus dissipating the hammering force of typing fingers.
For some reason, I have never had problems with a butterfly keyboard. I had a 2015 MacBook, which is claimed to be the worst keyboard in history. But I have a 16 inch MacBook Pro now and it’s AMAZING ⭐️
I am using a 2016 15" MBP as my daily driver for almost 4 years now. Yes - it does get hot quickly when it get's pushed a little - however from my personal experience I don't get the massive fuss about the butterfly keyboard. It has never given me any trouble and still works like on day one. Would find it hard to believe that I was just lucky...
bought a 2019 MBP 15'' 2 month before the 16'' was anounced... still loving the 2019 butterfly keyboard and the slightly lower profile then the new 16' MBP.
butterfly keyboard? ew thanks but no thanks
Exactly
Even at those prices?
I’m just gonna stick with my 2015 15’’ dual graphics MBP... absolutely love it and all the ports
Got a 2018 model for $500 recently ($2600 MSRP). It's crazy how quickly these depreciated in value, yet still don't feel outdated.
I just bought a 2018 15” for $1550. Do you people (and Luke) think that this is a good deal? The specs are:
2.6ghz 6-core i7
16GB ram
Radeon Pro 560X graphics
1TB storage
Oh, and the guy who I bought it from originally bought it as refurbished from Apple this July and used it for only 2 months.
Of course it was a good one!
which gen i7?
Techy_ Dude21 it’s a 8th gen 2.6ghz 6-core i7
@@danieleybelman2611 straight from apple on refurb?
Techy_ Dude21 The person who I bought it from originally bought it refurbished from Apple in July
Nothing will convince me to get another butterfly keyboard...
Well... there is one way If you can swap it out to the magic keyboard ⌨️
I feel the same way.... I bought one, the I bought an Alienware m15R3 then tried the 2020 MacBook Air and don’t want to go back.
Is it that bad?
The butterfly keyboard is amazing. Not really the first revision from 2015 MacBook, but from the 2018 MacBook Air (2nd Gen butterfly)
Impossible to find this kind of listing / deal in Europe... I'll wait to see how the market is evolving with the silicon then...
I know right for me, especially in the UK
Even worst in France, specially because I took the bad habit (during more than 25 years) to use an AZERTY keyboard. So if I don't want the cost or the trouble to switch keyboard I'm stuck with the French market...
Aur FSR that’s sad... in the uk I always to seem to find azerty keyboard macs barely any qwerty
I'm satisfied with my refurbished 16 inch, it's more than perfect in every possible way, but I'm happy the prices on 15 inch have gone down enough to make them an amazing deal.
I got a 2019 15 inch I9 for $1700 last November right after the 16 inch came out. The guy just wanted to upgrade quick. He bought that laptop 2 months before. Only issue with it was a small dent on the top case. Still running like a champ and I have 0 issues with it. I got a steal
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I got a 2018 high end 15 (2.6 i7, 512Gb, 560x) for only $1100 last month. I bought it as "parts not working", the seller stated that the touchbar is cracked and not working. I took the risk and got it anyway. It turned out that the touchbar is fine, just the left corner is blacked out. Then I went to an Apple certified repair shop and got the whole topcase replaced for the keyboard. Now I got it with a brand new battery and keyboard, and even the touch bar has been replaced along with the topcase. Pretty good.
Food for thought. Great vid and very informative.
Agreed!
Great video. Earlier this year I purchase a 15” MacBook Pro with i9, 32GB, Vega 20, 2TB for $2,300. Haven’t had any issues with it since I bought it
I have the 2019 15” and it’s at the repair center again getting its 4th keyboard since July 2019, which was a replacement to the failed keyboard 2018s I had. I absolutely despise the butterfly keyboard.
Complain hard enough and u get a 16 inch like me
I have a refurbed late 13’ MacBook Pro. The 18-19 15’ now has my attention.
Crazy I just made a good second hand buy of the 2017 mbp, and I love the butterfly keys, so easy to type, no pressure at all compared to the 2015.
Thank you Luke now the 2018-19 MacBook Pro models will go back up. 😉
Even if they do it’s all good since I am not looking. Great observation and work today.
I use my macbook pro 2019 13 inch base model and the keyboard has been working great since day one.
Still i only have it since December lets see how much it will last.
But im super happy with the machine :D
I know this video is a little older but I figured Id share. I was lucky to get my 15 inch MacBook Pro. I bought it from someone who thought it was broken since it wasn't connecting to apples servers to redownload the OS. She said she took it to apple and they told her the logic board was bad. She ended up selling it to me for $150.00 and claimed that she bought it for about $3000.00 at the time. I was able to reinstall the OS by having it install off a USB. So far Im really glad I took the risk. It turned out to be the 2017 15 inch MBP with the 3.1 GHz i7/16GB/1TB SSD/Radeon Pro 560. I also repasted the CPU/GPU cus fans were constantly running, after doing so this thing never has to turn them on unless Im doing something much more intensive
Not a terrible idea. I'm thinking of upgrading from my 2018 13" touch bar to something with a little more horsepower, and after selling my current one, I could effectively spend only a few hundred bucks for something that still has a decent amount of power to keep me happy until the Apple Silicon ones come out in a year or two, and maybe even give me time until a generation or so has passed (I learned that lesson the hard way when I rushed out and bought a Core Duo [not Core 2 Duo] MacBook when they transitioned to Intel).
I bought the 2018 MacBook used 32g/1T/ Vega pro 20. I love it! This is my first MacBook...
Good advice. I have to check this out for my mother who needs to replace her 2012 fairly shortly. The 15" MBPro 2018 is at or lower cost than the 13" from this year we were looking at and the 15" comes with the 9th gen CPU compared to some 13" models which come with 8th gen
I have a 2018 MacBook Air Retina (3rd generation butterfly keyboard) and I never had a problem with the keyboard.
Not being able to run windows on Apple silicone is almost a dealbreaker for me
Sticking with Early 2015 13 inch until 2023. What I am looking to upgrading to is the 2020 iMac. I seriously don’t want to experiment with a Rev A Apple Silicon iMac. I am also looking at my usage, I rarely go anywhere with my MacBook Pro, a bigger screen is always welcome and it would be great for more the relax and unwind moments I want after work: Netflix and UA-cam. I was watching a DW documentary about the origins of life on earth on my iPad Pro, even though it was great, I was thinking how much nicer this would have been on a 27 inch 5K screen. Also, I’m living somewhere with cheap rent, don’t see myself moving anytime soon, so, it be a good long term machine to have around.
16' also has a keyboard problem, Caps lock works 1/5 times and the metal arms designed to support keys like caps and shift start rattling pretty quickly. It won't be a massive problem IF you have a warranty, mine was replaced in 5 days without any questions.
*edit I bought my pro 16' two weeks ago for 2000$, it's really not worth getting 15' unless you are buying the 1500 and below models
This was exactly what I was looking for! I just inherited an i9 2019 butterfly for free and I love it!
my 12.9 ipad pro gives almost the same performance.
a 12 inch ARM macbook + 30 inch monitor dock + cheap ipad might be the best homestation use.
touchscreen for writing + apps are so useful, but macos folder management is crucial also.
Absolutely love your videos man
I already have 15" 2019 high end MacBook Pro. I don't have any issued with it while editing videos or recording on Logic. Its just I have Macs Fan Control app & I am good to go. No worries about Throttling or over heating.
Great video. I would like to make a suggestion for your next video. A similar video to your previous "The Ultimate used MacBook buyers guide for 2019!", an updated video touching on the 13" 15" and 16" used MacBook and the best eBay/used pricing you feel are great buys if someone can't bother to wait for the new MacBooks to come out later this year. I in fact just purchased two MacBooks recently that I would like to know if I got a good deal on. #1 Apple 13" MacBook Pro 2019 2.8GHz 1TB SSD 16GB A1989 MV9A2LL/A-BTO +A Grade for $1498.31 and #2 Apple 16" MacBook Pro 2019 2.6GHz Core i7 512GB SSD 32GB for $2,336.44 total. Thanks, Luke
I use to love the Butterfly keyboard on my Macbook Pro 2018 model. But then a few keys started double typing after a year, I've been coping well with the Unshaky app. Will probably take it in for free repair some time soon.
Thanks Luke! I bought a 2019 MAcBook Pro 15” i9 8core 1TB w/16gb RAM and the 560X GPU for $1800 on eBay with AppleCare Plus.
I’ve got 15 inch 2,6ghz/16gb ram. It was a pretty solid piece of machine back in early 2019 when I bought it, and it’s still a great powerhouse for 98% of my tasks. Other 2% is a pain in the ass for everything except some AMD EPIC workstation, but 2% isn’t much and I can handle it with my mbp, even if it goes slower than I’d like to. For example, I can just leave it to do the math overnight with maxed out fan speeds in a cold room :)
I’ve got minor issues with the keyboard, but I love butterfly for about 5% typing speed increase in my case. For 95% of users it’s absolutely certain overkill of performance for the price.
And yes, it paid off for 1,5 months after I bought it, so I don’t hesitate paying Apple tax if it makes me much, fu%king MUCH more productive! I think I will give this machine to my girlfriend and buy a new one for myself, smaller and lighter, but with the same performance, when Apple silicon comes out later this year.
I got the improved butterfly with the replacement program and Mine is a 2017 pro... I really like the loud clacking of it and have had zero issues since it was replaced! I think I might upgrade when the new silicon comes out though
hey! My 2017 pro's keyboard is failing and i plan to get it replaced. I am interested to know more about the difference after the replacement.
I have a 2018 15" and would not recommend it, just go with the 2019 "it has to be better". But yea, no bueno.
Got a great deal on my 2018 15inch MB Pro, at about 1560 euros. This is the base model but it still has a 6 core i7, 16gb of DDR4 ram, Radeon Pro 555X GPU with 4Gb of vram. This is cool for me :)
I need a high end MacBook Pro but I can’t decide if I should wait for the new Apple Silicon and or buy a MacBook Pro 16” now
buy it now
In January 2020, I was able to grab a brand new 2019 base model 15' macbook pro for just $1799. The original price couple months prior was $2,399.
pretty happy with my 2018 15" pro..the track pad is great u can indeed use it unlike windows machines!
Always to the Point
just bought a base model 2017 MacBook pro 15 inch for 780. hope i got a good deal
I am one of those that shortly after the 16inch was released took advantage of the new lower cost for the 15"👍 lucky here in the UK the prices correcto much earlier.
I bought back in February a 10 months old 2018 i7 6core model with 512gb SSD, 16gb of ram and Radeon 560x all for 1200£
And I did found the video about the value of the 15 Vs 16 from last year a useful benchmark.
As one who had to have his keyboard replaced because of that crappy keyboard, taking my 15-inch MB Pro out of my hands for a week, there's no way I would ever buy another one regardless of the price.
After the keyboard replacement on my 2-port MBP13 2017 I expected it will break down again in 6-12 months and I will get a new battery for free again (I still want it), but it didn't happened for last 2 years since.
Sometimes some keys feel that maybe something happens, but it doesn't happen (I still wish it will happen so I can sell it with brand new battery).
Considering Butterfly macbooks - I'd be happy to buy 32gigs 2018-2019 macbook refurbished from apple or someone else (to have 4 year keyboard warranty) and be happy with it for a while.
Hey Luke should I buy a 2017 MacBook Pro 13 inch that has 8gb ram and 256gb SSD? For around 760
No , but i think i am late lol , it is too late lol
For a few hundred more you can get a 2019 15" MacBook Pro with an Apple warranty from the refurb section of the Apple Store. 512 Gigs RAM and 560X graphics. 8-Core i9. Just checked the Store.
As an original owner of a 2018 I feel jilted by Apple for not really fixing the issues these MacBooks had and now the second hand values are showing this.
I’ve personally yet to have my keyboard fail but the battery is surprisingly in poor health for its age (84% with 160 cycles) so I’ll probably have the whole top case replaced soon.
I‘m totally fine with my 15-Inch MacBook Pro from Mid-2009 with Core 2 Duo and „ANTI-GLARE-HIGHRESOLUTION-DISPLAY“
And guess what,
it has a Magic Keyboard😏
Something the 2019 15 Inch doesn‘t have 👌🏻
I love the butterfly keyboard is clicky with not much travel
I tried the butterfly and traditional keyboard and both feel the same. I kinda like the butterfly keyboard bc i was able to type much faster.
Another good point: 32-bit Game and App support with Mojave. Love your videos! 😀
2018/2019 15" MBP with i9 has any high-temperature issue? If not hurry to buy a MBP right now, why don't wait for Oct or even the end of this year? Even Apple only reveal low-end MBP models, but it gives hints to us how powerful Apple Silicon is. If it's not the case, think about buying 2018/2019 used MBP is still not too late. 1-2 years old second-handed MBP will not tremendously decrease in ebay. So in conclusion, wait for the first Silicon appear before the end of this year, and make the decision go or not go.
intel macbooks are still worth considering. specifically if you want windows support. when the M series laptops stop being supported with updates you kinda have no where to go with it.
I think people are assuming too much. I do not believe there will be a silicon (ARM) Macbook available this year. It might be announced later, but the next OS version is still X86. I think the ARM-style Macbooks are going to be available next year - maybe early Spring.
Incorrect. Apple themselves said they’re coming this year
It's potentially a good value if the buyer is okay with dealing with the downtime from keyboard failure and service and the unclear financial future associated with keyboard failure. When the repair program ends, the replacement cost currently will be $199 provided you request a "battery replacement" and *NOT* a "keyboard replacement" (in which case you will get a new keyboard when they replace the battery as it's the same service.) That said, when the repair program ends, if Apple becomes more strict about "battery replacement" and only will do the $199 "battery service" if the battery tests below a certain threshold, someone needing a keyboard replacement might be stuck with a MUCH larger bill. And do understand that the replacement keyboards still use the butterfly mechanism. They are slightly tweaked from earlier generations, but they still have longevity issues and they still tend to fail and their failure still seems to be accelerated by prolonged heat.
Sorry but the lack of a separate esc key is a deal killer for me.
Hi luke, I am a student who is looking to buy a new computer. I don't need it immediately and can wait for some time. Do you think if and when the apple silicon 13' mb comes out, It will have student discount too?
Im hesitating between a refurbished 15 macbook pro 2019 i9 for 1130€ and a brand new m2 macbook air for 1300€ , i feel like the pro is a way better value especially for the big formfactor and the graphics power that can come handy for editing
just get the MacBook Air M2
The only 2 years left of the keyboard replacement program on my 2018 MBP kind of makes me nervous.
A lot of the mentioned $1600-$1800 models @6:20 have a reason that they are cheaper. Opened boxes, refurbished, pre-owned. So, it's not new.
even tho, almost half price is still insane.
I’m just about to buy one in Australia! Found a place selling new old stock for great prices so I’m gonna jump on one!
I still use a 15" Macbook Pro circa late 2013 and it's great - I have no reason to buy anything else. In fact I am upgrading it soon to a 1TB fast NVMe M.2 via use of an adapter.
Can you publish a detailed video comparison of i9 15 inch vs 16 inch i9 macbook pro ? I do strongly feel its more or less competant to each other. I own a 15 inch i9 mid 2019 , its very compact, doesn't experience thermal throttling and benchmarks is almost as same as the 16 inch macbook pro. The only difference might be the keyboard and sound quality.
me not knowing about the new October/November MacBooks and watching this on the Mac Pro I opened this morning 👁👄👁
Mac Pro, or MacBook Pro?
By the way, nice new on-set light setup!
Though 15” mbp could be a cheap deal; but there will always be that feeling of keyboard failure and s/w ESC key which has history of freezing intermittently. Buying 2019 model would also mean loosing 1 yr on the keyboard replacement program. This is just a thought, not to undermine the efforts put in for this video or the money spent by people who already own it.
Is it worth it for a base model?
How much do you think the iPad pro 11s will drop in price once the new ones arrive?
I love my MacBooks. I have had all three generations of butterfly keyboard for my work MacBook Pros and they were all awful. In fact, I am typing on a third gen now. There is no backpressure from the keys as you type, so after a long day of typing the ends of your fingers are sore and your hands are tired. Also, when you type, the keys are loud. So loud, in fact, that my wife asked me about it. I still have a 2014 MBA for personal use that I haven't replaced precisely because of the butterfly keyboards. Now that Apple Silicon is on its way, I plan to wait even longer. If I can get a MacBook with scissor keys and an ARM processor then I will be a happy camper. Let's hope that the rumors of butterfly keyboards returning to the new lineup are false
I have recently brought an macbook pro 13 inch with 32gb of ram and an core i5 I wanted an i7 but Apple didn't have any in the refurbished sections. and I didn't want to wait for the arm based macbooks to come out in-case they are any problems when they launch
I snagged a base 2017 15 inch MacBook Pro for 925$, it was all beaten up with dents and paint fade, then I called apple for a keyboard replacement I ship it to them and next thing you know is they replaced my logic board display and housing all for free so essentially I paid 925$ for a 15 inch MacBook Pro which I feel like it wasn’t a bad deal
How does a 2016 base 15 inch macbook pro compare against a 2020 base 13 inch macbook pro? I'm planning on buying one for my studies, oh and also, do 2016 15 inch mbps have any issues or things that I should be aware of since those machines have no warranty anymore? Thank you so much
But isn’t 32 GB RAM standard in the new MacBook Pros of today?
Will an ARM processor ever be as powerful as a Xeon or i9, though? I just got a fully pimped 16-incher because, if anything else, I have a VERY fast Winblows machine when the (unfortunate) transition is complete, so, in a weird way, I have two machines fo the price of one, and I’ll have more or less universal compatibility with over 90% of the world’s personal computers. Peace.
Why would they intel-refresh the 16"? Or rather, why would we care if they did? Intel 10nm chips even in 11th gen will seemingly only be 4c/8t SKUs tops. 10th gen intel 6/8-cores were pretty much rebrands and it looks like an "11th gen" would be the same unless they wait and brand Rocket Lake as those in 2021.
One interesting thing as well, 32bit apps will not work on any 2020 models without virtual machine type deals, or ancient public dev versions of catalina which as far as I know are not hardware optimized.
I'm sorry but I have native 32bit extensions and apps I do not want to even try to run in virtual or inside of some chameleon type setup
I'm confused, I want a 15" I can still run Adobe CS6 on that (means Mojave or less). Right now I'm using it with OS10.13. Is the 2015 15" DG still the best for the $? or should I go with newer? Thanks, I'm confused because I remember you saying the butterfly keyboard was not particularly good.
I had MBP 2017 once and the keyboard really is a mess. It really gave me tons of problems. In and out of Apple Store for repairs. Luckily I still got my MBP 2012 A1278 as back up in which I NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS (except for the battery ofcourse which is aging). Butterfly keyboard is really an improvement.. improvement to sell and dispose🤣🤣🤣✌🏻✌🏻
It looks quite nice with big sur.
Here in 2022, is it still worth buying one?
I just purchased one yesterday for $989. I hope its worth it in 2021!
Are you seeing a 13” MacBook Pro going down in price again? I know they went up earlier in the year
I have faced issues with the 2017 butterfly, but never with the 2019. The 2019 butterfly is almost fixed unless you use your computer with really dirty hands and something like that.
Where do you get all of your cool backgrounds
I literally have one collecting dust broken with the "flex gate" issue. Trying to decide if it's worth it to fix.