After hearing this, I am now 100% sure I was sick from palytoxin. I did a video - its on my channel if anyone is interested. I really didn't know for certain - until Julian described what he went through, but it lasted much longer with me. I'm glad I watched this - it reinforces my decision to split my mixed reef into two separate systems, one for soft corals (including Zoas) and one for hard corals. THANK YOU for publishing this, it has renewed my wariness when it comes to Zoas and palys!
Jake Carpenter sorry about that, will see what can be done to improve with newer UA-cam features. I believe we provided captions as well. Will shoot for better sound with future videos!
Brilliant talk. I know all too well the dangers of palytoxin. Broke down a tank once and broke up the cemented rock into bits. (pulled apart under water) so I could remove them easily the next morning. Whole family were poisoned in the night as the toxin was released into the air. Tank was like milk in the morning and everything dead. (Apart from the palys). Also fragged some once and got slimed on the leg. 100% got done through undamaged skin as had gloves, goggles and mask on!
I started feeling sick while watching this video....the hypochondriac in me started acting up..... .I just yesterday drilled a hole in the bottom of a rock holding Palythoa to insert a rod to hold it onto another rock. No gloves, no care taken... I will never do that again.
I was cutting zoanthids off a rock and cut into my finger I didn't think nothing of it all sudden I started feeling like I was frying on acid went to the emergency room when I told him what happened they looked at me like I had four eyes they did not know what to do ended up going home 3 days in a row I had fevers hot cold sweats feel like I was hallucinating my wife was putting hot and cold Rags on me heart was racing up and down couldn't get no sleep so you have to watch what you're doing when you are fraging
I spent a week in hospital and have a 10cm scar down my arm from my Palys. I've had them for years with no problems but I rubbed against them in my tank with a part of my arm that had a very small scratch on it. I still have them I'm just more careful.
You have to be really careful with them, you have to wear eye protection, gloves and a respiratory mask; you also need to leave any equipment you use to handle them soaked in bleach as bleach breaks down their toxin. You also should never mouth siphon water from a tank with zoanthids eg. Sucking on a hose to start the process of draining liquid. I personally think unless you believe you will always be super careful around them eg. (like you are handling a potent container of poison) you shouldn't keep them, they should really be tagged as very expect corals due to their danger. Honestly there are so many other beautiful corals that aren't anywhere near as dangerous, I personally stay away from zoanthids as some may only have a small amount of toxin that may cause only moderate irritation while others could be extremely dangerous. There's also no way to test their level of toxin at home as for the moment it still requires lab testing as it's an under researched toxin.
Assuming coral was effected by palytoxin is there something we can do for the coral in question if it’s dying slowly? Is it just a matter of removing the paly and putting in carbon? I have green button palys that I believe caused this problem in my tank when I attempted removing hair algae from around them. Assuming I pinched one with the tweezer or simply upset them. Around the same time my acans which were nearby began to recede on the edges until they were gone. My frogspawn is slowly but surely receding and dropping heads. The arms become deflated and then the head is gone. Candy cane coral is also receding at the base. Uneffected corals are birdsnest Xenia’s montis etc. I’ve tested water for other potential problems but all tests lead nowhere.
thegilg We need to follow up with Julian to see what became of the colony. I believe a sample was sent for study or propogation to one of the world's experts.
After hearing this, I am now 100% sure I was sick from palytoxin. I did a video - its on my channel if anyone is interested. I really didn't know for certain - until Julian described what he went through, but it lasted much longer with me. I'm glad I watched this - it reinforces my decision to split my mixed reef into two separate systems, one for soft corals (including Zoas) and one for hard corals. THANK YOU for publishing this, it has renewed my wariness when it comes to Zoas and palys!
I can't find the video
Thanks for the informative video!
Wish the sound quality was better
Jake Carpenter sorry about that, will see what can be done to improve with newer UA-cam features.
I believe we provided captions as well. Will shoot for better sound with future videos!
Brilliant talk. I know all too well the dangers of palytoxin. Broke down a tank once and broke up the cemented rock into bits. (pulled apart under water) so I could remove them easily the next morning. Whole family were poisoned in the night as the toxin was released into the air. Tank was like milk in the morning and everything dead. (Apart from the palys). Also fragged some once and got slimed on the leg. 100% got done through undamaged skin as had gloves, goggles and mask on!
I started feeling sick while watching this video....the hypochondriac in me started acting up..... .I just yesterday drilled a hole in the bottom of a rock holding Palythoa to insert a rod to hold it onto another rock. No gloves, no care taken... I will never do that again.
I was cutting zoanthids off a rock and cut into my finger I didn't think nothing of it all sudden I started feeling like I was frying on acid went to the emergency room when I told him what happened they looked at me like I had four eyes they did not know what to do ended up going home 3 days in a row I had fevers hot cold sweats feel like I was hallucinating my wife was putting hot and cold Rags on me heart was racing up and down couldn't get no sleep so you have to watch what you're doing when you are fraging
I spent a week in hospital and have a 10cm scar down my arm from my Palys. I've had them for years with no problems but I rubbed against them in my tank with a part of my arm that had a very small scratch on it. I still have them I'm just more careful.
Did that ever get published, whether that was a particularly nasty variety? There are two zoas I want, but I'm nervous to get them...
You have to be really careful with them, you have to wear eye protection, gloves and a respiratory mask; you also need to leave any equipment you use to handle them soaked in bleach as bleach breaks down their toxin.
You also should never mouth siphon water from a tank with zoanthids eg. Sucking on a hose to start the process of draining liquid.
I personally think unless you believe you will always be super careful around them eg. (like you are handling a potent container of poison) you shouldn't keep them, they should really be tagged as very expect corals due to their danger.
Honestly there are so many other beautiful corals that aren't anywhere near as dangerous,
I personally stay away from zoanthids as some may only have a small amount of toxin that may cause only moderate irritation while others could be extremely dangerous.
There's also no way to test their level of toxin at home as for the moment it still requires lab testing as it's an under researched toxin.
@@tachitakai6214 Maybe I will skip them. I like being able to interact with my aquarium without fear.
"Fuck it!"...Good job Julian! I feel your frustration!
+Alex Kingcole
I am curious weather carbon would of been a remedial fix. As to how much to aid is anyone's guess in when a paly releases its poison.
Yep 100000%
+Alex Kingcole and more toksins
very good speech
very good sherlotan
Did Darth Vader record this?
Assuming coral was effected by palytoxin is there something we can do for the coral in question if it’s dying slowly? Is it just a matter of removing the paly and putting in carbon?
I have green button palys that I believe caused this problem in my tank when I attempted removing hair algae from around them. Assuming I pinched one with the tweezer or simply upset them. Around the same time my acans which were nearby began to recede on the edges until they were gone. My frogspawn is slowly but surely receding and dropping heads. The arms become deflated and then the head is gone. Candy cane coral is also receding at the base. Uneffected corals are birdsnest Xenia’s montis etc. I’ve tested water for other potential problems but all tests lead nowhere.
Listening to what I can hear, it makes me wonder how many times me getting sick, was because of this. Although, I had nothing this dramatic.
sig to as? :-)
These wiped out almost all of my LPS and most of my SPS. Be careful people
Just did it to me 2 days ago. What do I do to remove the toxin from my tank now? How do I know when it's safe to ad things back?
wow!
He's not going to show us the paly in question????!!!
thegilg We need to follow up with Julian to see what became of the colony. I believe a sample was sent for study or propogation to one of the world's experts.