Big difference between LeBron James & Michael Jordan eras of NBA | Colin Cowherd Podcast
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- Опубліковано 15 лют 2023
- Colin Cowherd makes a bold statement about the modern NBA and explains why basketball players are better today in the LeBron James-Steph Curry era than in the Michael Jordan era and previous eras. Then he points out one big downside to the modern NBA and calls upon the players to do something about it.
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Players are more athletic in todays game but offense wouldn’t look so good if they actually put some of that athleticism into playing defense
What are you saying ? That the athletes in the NBA turn off their athleticism on defense ? Wtf lol.
Wanna mention how shooting got infinitely better ?
@@jsgr5382 narratives seem to mean more than logic somehow. These guys say whatever makes them feel better about their opinion, not to mention 3s being infinitely better doesn’t even account for the athleticism on top of it lol
THANK YOU! I mean players can literally drive to the basket and not worry bout getting slammed around like in Jordan's era. It's easier to score especially when players don't even play defense and aren't competitive. Look at the paint now, it's not cramped like it once was. Plus players don't actually win, they get their numbers but players don't actually win majority of the time like Jordan and the Bulls did. The NBA is so fuckin soft now it's actually cringe worthy. I mean look at how many players sit out, they don't even play a full season anymore cause they're "tired" lmao. Also last year or the year before only five players out of all the players in the league played a full season. Let that sink in...
@@jsgr5382 well it's easier to shoot than at defense lol which is what players don't do at all. Also players now have an advantage wit the training, and the technology and all the pre workout shit that's out there. Players back then didn't have any of that. Plus there was no social media and that's definitely another advantage players have now. The NBA has gotten very soft and watered down. I mean players now only play like half a season, they'll sit out if they have a hangnail or if they're "tired" lol. Jordan literally played almost every game. I mean he never missed more than four games in a season bro..
The Bad Boy Detroit Pistons teams of the 80’s would suffocate the modern teams. The individual talent is better now. But softer. These Tatum Celtics vs 80’s Celtics?? That would be a 4 game sweep with Bird barely breaking a sweat.
Colin is making a big deal about the 4 current players playing at one time, but Jordan, Magic, Bird and Kareem was playing all at the same time.
also Isiah Thomas, Dominique Wilkins, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, George Gervin all played at the same time as those 4 and they all played Defense unlike alot of players today. They also took pride in playing every game unless it was a serious injury
Hakeem, Moses,
The comparison to this era is the 60s and. 80s when 4 great teams won titles...
Jordan was smoked during that era. A non factor getting swept constantly
Offense and Defense today are better than any other period.
@@cakedaddythinegeecheeprinc1960 So why did both the 80s and 90s average a better field goal % ???
It’s amazing how the media never mentions majority of the time it’s the teams making these guys sit out to protect their investment, when you know they know the truth.
Not true really.. kawhi was the first guy that had "load management" in his contract lol. This league is a players league and if a star player wants a night off, he will get it. Coaches, gms, owners want their players to play they are judged by the teams record.
@@MrDoit187
Popovich started load management way before Leonard get your facts straight. Plus you never heard of tanking. Your just a contrarian for no reason.
@@KashNation popovich is the guy that wanted kawhi out because of that shit. you have no clue :D
@@MrDoit187 Your Naïveté is comical. Your using one example and this affects the whole league. If the “Billionaire” owners wanted load management done away with, they would’ve negotiated it out in the CBA. Technology tells teams how many games a certain player needs to rest to be healthy in the post season and extend their careers. It didn’t matter as much when players were making 10 mill a year. Now your paying guys 45-50 mill you want to protect your asset. Plus Pop, Steve Kerr and many others have spoke publicly on why they sit players. Your just a neophyte.
@@KashNation blablabla. you think they not doing that? the players have all the power. and yes im using kawhi as an example because he started this trend. he wanted it in his contract in San Antonio and the spurs werent having this diva behaviour. thats the whole point i was making. ofc some players get rested every now and then. but excessive loadmanagement is something that the players created. you think owners are happy when starplayers rest and the fans dont see them and potentially stop buying jerseys and tickets? like i said, you have no clue what you are talking about if you think the coaches and front office want their players to load manage :D have a nice day sir , thats it from me.
I am suspicious of declaring modern players of being better than prior players when the rules all across the board are so different. Really, they almost never call travels or carries. So you see current athletes do what appear to be amazing things yet we don't consider that prior generations of players would have been penalized for doing some of that stuff.
Bingo!
The carries are atrocious. Travels can be argued in favor of this era by the language of the gather rule. The NBA can make the game more "honest" by tweaking the wordage to match the spirit of the rule, but they won't. The highlights and inflated statistics are crucial in getting views from the short attention spanned consumer of today.
Lack of defense era...it's beyond obvious can barely follow the reg season anymore. Euro players have stated that NBA is less physical now
Agreed! People really be out here thinking that more points and speed of game means 'better'. When really the rule changes and softening of the game has changed that.
@@reecewilliams8349 that’s not why we think the players are better. And that 90s defense had its own flaws. Zones weren’t common and illegal defense rules were stupid
Respect to colin for calling out hoopers and their front offices like this, hes right
Agreed. Players won't play through injury now and not saying they should, but they should have a choice. Like shit Kobe was playing injured and shooting 3s with his damn left. That's dedication to your craft and showing an unwillingness to let anything stand in your way of playing every possible game to the best of your ability.
Like they're watching 😂
Jordan, Bird, etc didn’t take frequent days off for rest. Hard to compare today’s players to them.
Jordan took years off so you’re somewhat right
@@jamesonedwardsii4943your point is invalid bud 🤦
Jordan retired 3 times
@@Shaz-Daz no its very valid... Bud
@Jameson Edwards II regarding his first retirement, it's not like he was just sitting around doing nothing.
Players are better now. Only makes sense. But the physicality back in Jordan's era was the EQUALIZER. Someone less talented was able to keep up because they could clothesline you and use dirty tricks.
You think Jordan was dominant then? Just imagine him playing with these modern rules. Imagine him playing in a SMALLER less PHYSICAL NBA.
P.S. - Jordan probably gets past the Pistons earlier then he did if the rules were different.
FACTS!!
Jordan always had the great ability to adapt to any kind of game and improving beyond to the standars of the moment. So, probably he could adapt to the new modern rules without any problem.
I don't know if the players are better in today's NBA, though. Whenever I hear people refer to "ToDaY'S pLaYeRs ArE bEtTeR" it almost invariably leads to a conversation about 3-point shooting. Yes, players shoot a lot more 3-pointers now than in previous eras, but that just means a different skill and it has come at the expense of other skills (low-post play, interior defense and rebounding, mid-range shooting).
Some studies I have seen show that the median height of NBA players are at its lowest in decades. And like most eras, league rules changes have influenced the style of play in today's NBA. In the case of this era, rules as the "freedom of movement" pretty much handcuffs defenders against ball-handling players , who can drive at will or even have uncontested shots. The centers and power forwards play 15 feet away from the basket, and many of them want to be inefficient 3-point shooters.
@@michaeljohnson7945 have you ever seen a player like Lebron, Greek Freak, KD, Steph, Joker? Those are just a few. No you haven’t. If you have ever played basketball I kind of agree with the original post. It’s a lot easier for a defender to stay with his man when he can hand check. Don’t let that defender be stronger than you then it’s really a problem. Players are more skilled today period. And I’m not just talking about the three point like.
@@michaeljohnson7945 and to your studies…most taller players are naturally slow. These athletes are faster and more athletic than ever. So you can’t expect a 7 foot big man that can’t move his feet to stay on the court and be able to compete at a high level.
True in fact a lot of players in today's game are better than a lot of the players back then. But none in today's game is MJ. Career stats, accomplishments and most important the eye test let's you know these players today doesn't come near MJ with exception of Bron. MJ was ahead of his time. Outside of the fancy dribbling and euro step, MJ was doing things players today are doing, and also doing things players today aren't doing.
You had to just make up a narrative and lie to yourself huh? What did he do that people aren’t doing today? I agreed with everything you said up until that part. He made that “fadeaway shit” famous that’s for sure 😭
Correct when I watch old Jordan games it looks like a current nba guard from the future dropped in the 90s just levels ahead of everyone!
@@rellis735 exactly, MJ would be average today
@Jameson Edwards II bro just go watch rare Jordan footage and you'll see what he was doing that players aren't doing today. That's not narrative made up in my head.
@@octopus8420 🤣🤣🤣 your opinion, but I say different.
Could say the same about late nineties - 07/8. Kobe Shaq Duncan and Garnett
Always disappointed when we don’t acknowledge MJ’s elite jump shooting. We just think of threes now when we think of shooting. Michael was an extraordinary jump shooter off the dribble.
don't talk about his perimeter shooting because theyll just say lebrons better
not realizing his % is up because of where he gets most of his points they don't LOOK into the details
@@TheSet6145 exactly my issue we too often go by percentages to say who's better and that's where eye test can be way more valuable than just looking at numbers
New equipment, new medical breakthrough etc. but still MJ stil the GOAT.
Current players sit more compare to the Jordan era
@@ianosaurus27 and they play 3-4 years more. I call that smart
That's an odd correlation you made
@@jsgr5382Yes players are worried about counting stats.
@@ianosaurus27
Didn’t Jordan retire and sit for years?
If players are so great today then why doesnt anyone play defense? Just because theres more scoring doesnt mean today's players are better.
They do play defense players are just MUCH MUCH MORE SKILLED. Zeke said it best…. Back then dudes were smoking cigarettes in the locker room cmon now 😭
Scottie and Gary Payton would be in hell playing now
The rules have gradually been changed to penalize defense. Players simply cannot play defense like they did in the 80s, 90s, or even early 2000s.
Refs today are also far more trigger happy. No one can play tough or have a personality without getting 4 fouls before the 2nd quarter or T'd up for having an opinion.
Ultimately, it's impossible to compare eras because the factors influencing money, both league and player money, are completely different.
The league wants offense because the league thinks everyone makes more money through offense, so offense it is.
@@yamamanchacut it out, in MJ’s day you couldnt even double team or play zone. Todays stars are just better
@@yamamancha MJ himself said he’d have struggled against zone defenses 😭😭😭😭😭
Quality and depth of talent is better for most of LeBron's career, but stars barely play anymore, despite the advances in sugery, nutrition, and creature comforts. In Jordan's time, 40-50 players played all 82 games, including some of the biggest names in the game. Now you don't see 20 guys who do that, and the ones who do are run of the mill players that only hardcore fans would recognize. Playing basketball has become a chore that few players seem to enjoy anymore.
the game is soft so are the players,simple
What are you saying lol.
They sit 4-5 games a year. You're exaggerating
@@milosstojanovic7143 thank you
@@jsgr5382 yeah stop, they sit 4-5 games in a months span lmao
The "big difference" is how much less physical the game is today, not how much "better" the players are
Yeah go and watch the 93 NBA finals and tell me about this physical game
The rule changes
Everybody w this argument use physicality as such a crutch. The games different now you have to be on ball once players cross half court to combat the shooting when even mid tier guys like cj mccollum pulling from 30 if not checked. The floor is more spread out for that so bodies can’t be as clunked in the lane. Mind you if nba teams tried that now they’d give a wide open corner 3 on every possession. Yes there were different rules but remember why they change them in most cases. The game and pace really started looking ugly towards the end of the hand check no 5 secs in the lane era of basketball. Dudes will fight so hard to see an era of throwing it to the big and seeing if they double or not and attacking or passing depending on that it’s wild. Did you expect the game to never evolve away from that? Remember the first 11-12 years bron played he played in a game like that with fun but most of the time ugly basketball. I grew up on the early 2000s pistons and spurs and lakers and pacers the game was slow and physical for years after they took things like hand checking too. The old physicality is hyped up by the few outliers, it wasn’t the rule and people forget those teams were famous for it for a reason. That’s why there’s only a few teams that sincerely had that reputation back then.
That’s the refs fault.the hell u think gonna happen if u told bron he’d get no foul calls, he’d run the post over
Honestly the lack of physicality makes todays game harder because it makes lesser players harder to stop imagine if LeBron could hand check he’d nullify KD and the warriors particularly
Quit talking out of both sides of your neck,first the players are so much better ,nutrition,equipment and skills. Why is it load management, more money,charter flights and need for more off days. Players used to play all games,no doctors on team flights,had on mostly Converse gyms(mostly low tops)and the skill level is so much higher. According to you K.D. is the best skill player but he hasn't won consistently. He's a good player but not the best. Speak facts not hypothetically. Just because players are from around the world doesn't make them better.
Goat talk and comparing eras = nothing to talk about.
Players are better today but the basketball isn't nearly as good or entertaining
@LBJ over MJ hahahaha you don't know what you are watching. How about post moves, guys cutting, and setting off ball picks, two all time centres going at each other, the ball actually moves, what else you want me to mention, and oh yea, they actually played all the games.
Today they are more talented, have better nutrition, better training, more resources but get hurt more often and miss more games.
We are watching 4 guys watching 1 on 1 95% of the time and then a pick and roll to kick out three. It's a 3 point contest.
@@travisoshea Go watch 60 year olds at LA fitness for all of that super “fundamental” stuff. Don’t tell me the game was better when those guys couldn’t even do a simple CROSSOVER. Magic Johnson would get scared and turn his back when you reached for the ball instead of just simply countering with a crossover. They didn’t even know how to do simple shit like eurosteps lmao. If you turn on a 1980s game and a game today and think the 80s were more entertaining you are just clueless.
When talking about the Celtics sitting I think it's more disgusting that you know some kid's parents bought those tickets just because they thought they would get to see Jason Tatum and the other starters play and then had to waste their time and money because he was tired. That is going to stunt the sport from growing that's for sure.
That's why you'll NEVER see me at an NBA game or in an NBA jersey.
That’s not true he wasn’t “just tired” if you followed the Celtics or Jason Tatum at all you would know he has been dealing with the same right patella tendinopathy injury he had in last years playoffs.
Collin is usually pretty good with his takes but he made a mistake and I don’t think it was intentional but Tatum didn’t simply sit for a breather, he is still dealing with an injury.
Before going on and trashing a player for not playing maybe do even the most minuscule amount of research for why they didn’t play. The very last thing we need is Tatum risking himself getting an even more serious injury when it’s not necessary.
@@brockjensen2473 weak. He’s a superstar in his prime and his team is fighting for first against the team they lost to. I’m sure it won’t be a problem come all star weekend so he could participate. Players use to play way more despite injuries
@@SM-vx6zq remember that time MJ left A FINALS GAME because of some stomach cramps? But hes real tuff huh? Bro couldn’t even play through some cramps on the biggest stage but when Tatum sits out a regular season game because his shooting arm is hurt he’s weak? 🤣🤣
@@brockjensen2473 you also remember when MJ played in the NBA game with the flu or food poisoning
The top talent isn’t where the difference in the level of play is it’s the bottom talent where it makes a difference. I don’t see anything that blows my mind anymore than many players of the past . A bunch of unnecessary dribbling is skilled but is it even warranted. Flashy dunks when there is 1 guy under the hoop and finishes aren’t as spectacular to me. U should be doing amazing things at that point when u have all the space in the world .At some point all the moves to get the ball in the bucket there is only so much u can do and skills level off. Where players are skillled in one area they lack in other basic areas. Overall as a whole the league is more talented because the 7th and 8th man but don’t be mistaken the greats were just as good if not better in some instances. This is not the same game anymore is it better to some and not so much to others.
Just because players are more "athletic" doesn't make them better... when you don't defend or don't allow players to defend, stats inflate...
Jey Don know the game as well either. Stupid plays daily
They are 100000% better lmao watch a 1980s game and a game today. Basketball isn’t like the other sports bro. There’s 12 year olds in the gym right now creating new moves. Wingmen couldn’t even dribble side to side back then, they’d turn their back and back you down when you reach instead of crossing you over. They didn’t even know what a euro step was back then lmao. If you think players aren’t better you’re just confused
@@UserName-go7hm Allen Iverson like crossovers used to be called carries (because they are). The rules now allow carrying constantly, traveling constantly, it wasn't always like that. Shaq couldn't have existed in previous decades when charges were called. etc etc. The game is becoming more and more like an And1 ruleset.
@@gtg309v Again if you watch basketball and think players aren’t better now you don’t have a brain.
@@UserName-go7hm Pistol Pete was doing more impressive stuff than anybody today, and WITHOUT breaking the rules. Who in the game today has replaced Pistol, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Jordan? The things they did are better than what we see right now. All you got now is a bunch of guys chucking up 3s and uncontested dunks majority of the time. Not even close. Jokic and Luka have game, but that's about it. And they're white lol
There's a reason why Grand Theft grew a following even though he doesn't play starter minutes... Because he plays like he wants to be there. He plays like he's fighting for a spot in a roster every game.
There is not a single thing that players of the 80s or 90s do better than the players of todays era. Players of today’s era are more skilled, faster, quicker, stronger, more athletic, and evolved from those of the past. A thing called evolution exists. Back in Jordans era, players were allowed to hand-check which helped poor defenders hide their defensive weaknesses. Defense of todays era takes way more skill and IQ. They cover way more space and cannot use hand-checking to hide their defensive weaknesses. You were not allowed to double team out in the perimeter or anywhere else really. It was all man to man, everyone stands still. That’s why by the 90s when guards with actual good handle’s came into the league, Jordan started getting torched by defensively. AI, Jason Kidd, Rex Champan and others made a fool out of MJ. Bulls literally had to put someone else on Jason Kidd cuz Jordan was getting torched. Rex Chapman dropped all 39 points on MJs head. Imagine if Curry and Kyrie played in Jordans era 💀 nobody would stop them. Offense has also reached such a high level that great offense beats great defense.
Facts. The people who argue about the old days being better just don't want to let go of their heroes and the nostalgia. When we say that the players are far superior today, it's not to disrespect the old legend, but state the truth
Keep posting it and you might believe it eventually.
@@bandoogiemanz Everything that I said is factual and common sense 💀 great job not disputing anything that I said
Question how do you think a prime MJ would fare in the 2020s NBA?
Players overall are better today, the NBA overall is more talented than its ever been. I agree with Colin on his top 12 if we have to have a top 12 but then to add further the best players ever witnessed you have to throw in Hakeem, Kyrie, and Embiid is a top talent at center.
100% agreed. I don't disagree that the order comes from teams in certain situations, but on the other hand, if a star wants to play they will demand to play. Respect to Ant Edwards for calling out his competition
Why is it so much easier to score? These narratives are ridiculous! And False! Yes, the big can shoot the 3, but which team has won a chip with the big Killing you with the 3 ball?? SERIOUSLY! None! Other than Jokic, Giannis, and Embiid, where is the post up game in today's NBA? There is no wing in this current league that could stop Jordan. NOT ONE! Hell, they can't stop players of lesser stature. There is also no big man tjat Jordan couldn't dunk on. But if LeBron had to face the bad boy pistons , his psyche would not hold up, hell, he folded against a much less physical Mavericks team. And he's a horrible free throw shooter. Just because the whole team is CAPABLE of making a 3 pointer or 2 doesn't mean they are better basketball players. Because of the current style of play, there is really only a handful of guys that can beat you off the dribble. Only a handful of guys that have any resemblance of a mid-range game. Only a handful of guys would be significant contributors in previous tougher eras. That's real. These guys have these platforms and wanna sound so smart, but they are wrong af. I've played multiple sports from age 6 until 21. Played D1 football. Was a district long jump champ. Had multiple basketball scholarship offers. I have seen many dudes who were HELLA athletic but were not good. Weren't winners, for whatever reason. Many were one dimensional..just like in today's NBA .some lacked elite fundamentals, and two things can be true at the same time. You can have good athletic ability, but also not be fundamentally sound. You can be athletic, But also lack mental toughness. Prime example Ben Simmons is an Exceptionally gifted athlete..need I say more? I love Ben, and I constantly route for him . I used him because I was trying to make a point that you would all easily understand. Why you think some guys are career bench players, or career back up Quarterbacks, or career relief pitchers!??. These people use every excuse in the book to try and make LeBron better than Jordan, simply because his numbers resume doesn't add up ! That's it. Jordan was 40 yrs old, averaging over 20 points, vs. dudes like Young athletic Kobe, Tracy McGady, Vince Carter, etc.. Jordan is just built differently. Bobby Knight said that MJ would be the greatest before he played one tip of pro ball. I applaud LeBron for being able to play long enough to pass the total points record . Just because you play longer doesn't mean you are better. 13 full seasons Jordan had 32k points and 6 chips. In his first 13 seasons LeBron had 26k points and 3 chips. Man that's a whole 6k points in the same # of seasons played. Please let that sink in! A whole 6,000 points. 🤦🏾♂️. I saw both play at their absolute best, and Jordan is better. Jordan is the GOAT 🐐.
Players are better, teams are better and everyone admits it except the bitter old guys. Gary Payton said Damian Lillard would’ve torched the league back in his day because they’ve never seen a player like that and he isn’t top 5 today. Respect to GP but you think he takes that team to a finals anytime between 2010 - now? You’re DELUSIONAL if you think that’s true…
Damian Lillard is so good that nobody talks about him. You look at the star players back then they’re way more athleticZ
@@RetroNBA42 not what GP Bill Russell or Zeke thinks 🤷♂️
Also the hat just proves my point then….. an unknown player would bust their ass from the mouth of a LEGEND that played back then
Never thought I’d be called a bitter old dude because I have a difference of opinion. I usually
Lily like to support arguments with facts as opposed to insults.
I’d take Jordan’s bulls over golden state with KD in either era but especially old school rules.
@@michaellewis8245 lol hell nah. You are blind if you think those slow old players are doing anything in todays league. MJ was a current level player in a slow unathletic league
@@natureboyain24 No he wasn’t lmao yo u kids are so lost man… I don’t even know what to say. Jordan would eat these dudes alive just by trash talking them and getting in their heads alone. The greatest scorer ever is an avg player today… aahahaha you honestly should be banned from ever talking hoops. Nobody was stopping MJ’s fadeaway. Bro avg 41 ppg in the finals. He score more 40 point games in his career than he did games of less than 20 pts. He would cook these kids today. U act like any of these dudes today are even better than Kobe or Iverson. They were very athletic. Let’s stop acting like MJ played in the 60’s. It was the 90’s 💯💯💯 there’s a reason everyone wanted to be like Mike.. all his peers in the league knew who ‘The Man’ was. He isn’t called the ‘Goat of Goats’ for fun or because he’d be the avg star of today. You got a lot to learn
Players are better shooters but defense is non existent and everything is almost some sort of technical foul or regular foul
What he means Jordan was a "Average passer" lol as a point guard in 11 games in 88-89 season he average a triple double with averaging 11.4 assists a game and retired at 5.3 assists a game lol DF Colin talking about smh 🤦🏿♂️
You can get away with anything these days. As long as you have views and comments you are fine.
@@spyroskaziannis788 Facts lol
I would love to see today's players do half of those things they do today with the physicality back then...they have no opposition on defense.
Defense of todays era takes way more skill and IQ. They cover way more space and cannot use hand-checking to hide their defensive weaknesses. Back in Jordans era, you literally had illegal defenses. You were not allowed to double team out in the perimeter or anywhere else really. It was all man to man, everyone stands still. That’s why by the 90s when guards with actual good handle’s came into the league, Jordan started getting torched by defensively. AI, Jason Kidd, Rex Champan and others made a fool out of MJ. Bulls literally had to put someone else on Jason Kidd cuz Jordan was getting torched. Rex Chapman dropped all 39 points on MJs head. Imagine if Curry and Kyrie played in Jordans era 💀 nobody would stop them. Offense has also reached such a high level that great offense beats great defense.
@@CriusXI FACTSSSSSS
Rex Chapman averaged 14.3 points per game in 23 games vs. Michael Jordan. Chapman had one game where he was insanely hot (after all, Chapman was capable of putting up points in a hurry, a la Tyler Herro in today's NBA). After that 39-point game in 1996, Chapman had games of 12, 16, 0, 7 and 8 points in his final five meetings vs. Jordan.
By his early to mid-30s, Jordan occasionally defended point guard-types such as Allen Iverson and Jason Kidd but it was primarily in switches. Of course, we're talking about two hall of famers who at that time were each at least one decade younger than Jordan. Jordan wouldn't be defending point guards regularly in his era or in any era, especially in his mid-30s. Not to mention those Bulls' teams defensive weakness was very quick point guards such as Iverson and Kidd and the Bulls' top defenders were bigger wings (Jordan and Ron Harper were tall shooting guards, Scottie Pippen was a small forward, Dennis Rodman was a power forward).
Context matters.
@@CriusXI Like I said, I would love to see today's players, with that wonderful handle you're referring to, do half of those things they do today with a guy hand checking you and putting at least a forearm on you everytime you dribble. Plus, all those nice little floaters and drives to the lane would be met by body checks with nothing to show for it but two free throws. I've seen Lebron drive to the basket 8 feet away from the three point line and NO ONE would even step up and take a foul and put him on the foul line. And yes, Rex Chapman did score those 39....but in today's game no one can say they scored any points on anybody because its all pick and roll.
Funny how they can never name the players that the day are better.
Yeah somebody told me the QBS of today are SO great. I said oh yeah? Name 5 current Hall of fame worthy Players in the secondary. He never responded. Point was that we don’t even know who the defenders are these days. They are not stars anymore. Idk if that’s happening in basketball too but I remember Ben Wallace! That pistons team just purely defense!
Or maybe it is harder to be a hall of famer now because the skill level has increased
@@josephspencer9741 Newer is not always better. That’s just an assumption.
@@df6148Exactly!!!!
@@josephspencer9741 yeah to carrying and the traveling has also increased. The only thing guys today have over former players is their face up game because that’s all they do.
I feel Isiah Thomas never gets the respect he deserves when we talk all time greats
The NBA is a lot different then it was in the 90’s. The game moved from a defensive low post style to now a transition 3 ball game. This has forced 7 ft players to be more athletic, ball handle, and shoot 3’s consistently. The 7 ft players of the 90’s were never asked to do this. It was rebound and dominate down low. It’s unfair to compare eras because of this because the style of game was just so different.
Colin at the beginning mentioned the game is more international now. That happened because of Michael Jordan and his influence on the game. Not one player maybe outside of Muhammad Ali has impacted their respective sport more then Jordan. LeBron is a all time great player and has had a career to rival Kareem and Russell but no one has ever done what Jordan did.
I think we will see a player that’s better then Jordan in the next 20 years. Eventually we will get a player who is basically a 2k create a player that can’t be stopped.
I think Patrick Ewing, Hakeem and Shaq would have something to say about that. Many scoring bigs that could move the ball from the post.
David Robinson,Karl Malone,Charles Barkley,Dominique Wilkens,Magic Johnson,Larry Bird,Gary Payton,Shawm Kemp, isiah thomas,Dennis Rodman,Patrick Ewing,John Stockton,Reggie Miller,Shaquille O’neal,Hakeem Olajuwon and many others legends don’t tell me these guys wouldn’t dominate with these soft rules that allow you to do whatever you want offensively! these guys would cool all the players today.
It's a completely different game. The 3 point shot and the allowances of traveling and carrying the ball has ruined this once beautiful game.
@LBJ over MJ lmao when you reached for the ball they would get scared and turn their back and try to back you down instead of simply countering with a crossover. They didn’t even know what a euro step was back then 😂😂
The game today is so soft it is unwatchable! IMO. There are some great players but give me a break not even comparable.
What do you expect when your coach is a 34 year old rookie. Celtics are screwed and that's that
These guys confuse athleticism with being good. There is a difference. The only thing I would say is that today's players are better at the overall team shooting the 3 ball, that's it. Previous eras had better defenders, post up players, and mid range guys. Defense is about effort. And desire! If the 3 was a bigger part of the game in the past, then guys would have incorporated it into their game. Just because you're more athletic, that doesn't necessarily translate into being a better basketball player. Ask Larry Bird. Or Jokic!
Such a terrible and uneducated take, really shows that you didn’t watch 80s or 90s basketball. There is not a single thing that players of the 80s or 90s do better than the players of todays era. Players of today’s era are more skilled, faster, quicker, stronger, more athletic, and evolved from those of the past. A thing called evolution exists. Back in Jordans era, players were allowed to hand-check which helped poor defenders hide their defensive weaknesses. Back in that era, you had illegal defenses. Defense of todays era takes way more skill and IQ. They cover way more space and cannot use hand-checking to hide their defensive weaknesses. Back in Jordans era, you literally had illegal defenses. You were not allowed to double team out in the perimeter or anywhere else really. It was all man to man, everyone stands still. That’s why by the 90s when guards with actual good handle’s came into the league, Jordan started getting torched by defensively. AI, Jason Kidd, Rex Champan and others made a fool out of MJ. Bulls literally had to put someone else on Jason Kidd cuz Jordan was getting torched. Rex Chapman dropped all 39 points on MJs head. Imagine if Curry and Kyrie played in Jordans era 💀 nobody would stop them. Offense has also reached such a high level that great offense beats great defense.
@@CriusXI wrong wrong!
@@forza-kr4bx Great job not disputing anything
@@CriusXI people dont evolve in 20 years
@@CriusXI jordan played against a aI. Ai would have given curry and kyrie fits
100% agree. I’ve always believed that comparing players from different areas of a sport when clearly the athleticism and everything involved with athletes continues to improve with each proceeding era is completely pointless.
Agreed! Thus, top 10 of all time: Steph, Luka, LeBron, Giannis, KD, Joker, Kyrie, Embiid, Lillard + Harden. If MJ stepped out of 1993 time capsule he'd be Jaylen Brown. Not that that isn't great.
Young Shaq would put Yannis in the basket on a dunk. Did you see how athletic young Shaq was?! You all are a prisoner of the moment.
@@philwilson609 MJ has such an anomaly for his era he could transition into today's game and be one of the most productive players in the league aka like kawahii
80s 90s 2010s 2020s, great decades. 2000s were whatever.
Kobe Duncan Garnett LeBron D Wade Dirk Nash (Arenas.. Billups.. etc)..
Is whatever?? Lol 😆
It’s not just about players. It’s how players were allowed to play. Come on defense was allowed to do way more. Literally could fight and stay in a game. Jordan scored sometimes worrying his head would get take off. Lebron is spoiled by offense minded NBA rules. Makes allllll the difference
One team played that way
Absolutely Lebron whines and cries if he is barely touched....Jordan going against the pistons and those Knicks teams.... every time he would drive he would get absolutely hammered
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They tool out the physical play for MJ
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@@jasonchamberlain4459 MJ was one of the biggest recipients of referee "Superstar treatment"😶
Jordan made kids like LeBron and myself (35 yrs) fall in love with the game. two 3 peats after the first one a pause to play baseball then come back and win another 3 in a row! That shit is legend, Collin
Lemme correct the thumbnail. Players GET to be better today since defense is apparently a form of witchcraft no one wants any part of.
Players are better but the teams arent
I agree what Colin is saying about nfl players playing hurt. But do you think Mahomes would have been able to play quarterback and then play DB all game? Can’t compare the two when it comes to injuries.
lebron shoots at an all time level? are you kidding me?
Shooting bricks at an all time level. He will get the record for most 3point missed shots, if he continues at his current pace.
@@spyroskaziannis788 it's embarrassing and a bit gross to watch / hear lecucks spew this nonsense. vast majority of bullyball bron's points are close to the basket, where he's long gotten away with traveling and elbowing his way to the rim. he's the incredible hulk with a basketball..if you want that fine but it's not pretty to watch.
@@dantenewyork7380 if he could do that in clutch moments to win his championships, people would give him credit for it. But the only thing that mavericks and the spurs did was protecting the paint and offer him the three point shot. It was enough to win against him. He should pay a percentage of his contract to Ray Allen for saving his ass and his legacy .
@@spyroskaziannis788 yep. all the lecuks say he had no help. ray allen? bosh? solid role players. irving? love? give me a break. ill grant that one year he was short handed but he also has the help of the league and refs. he's such a diva whining bit..ch. gossips like a girl to get his way. just so off putting. that's why nobody cares about his sneakers.
The problem is the stars miss to many games and are too friendly. I like Giannis hes very competitive and plays physical basketball.
No way you're insane today's players are brittle they'd all be in the infirmary if they played two decades ago.
It’s huge today that players can drive the hoop with ease compared to Jordan’s era. That alone separates Jordan from everyone
U don't know basketball. They were allowed to drive in jordans era. U couldn't sag off your man (pause) and hang in the paint. It was illegal defense
There’s more guys who can put it on the floor and there’s probably 10 guys on each team who are as athletic as Jordan was. You can’t stay in this league by being able to foul hard you have to actually be skilled at multiple things
@@treecosmos386 Check Durant talking about how easy it is to play in NBA now because of small ball and spacing
@@treecosmos386 he said "with ease". they were allowed to drive in every era. you're right about the illegal defense. there's also no more hand checking and the emphasis on "freedom of movement".
Bruh, back then you were literally not allowed to double team out in the perimeter
You will never convince me, today over Jordan
MJ never beat Larry Bird 😂😂😂 and quit because Phil was not going to be the coach I used to think MJ was the goat but now I’m older and see he had it easy
@@ThedonofalldonsFla 🤡🤣
Proof Jdrs are delusional and will shut down their brain to protect MJ
@@ThedonofalldonsFlabird had 4 ball of famers when Jordan had how many during that period? Lebron and wade and Bosh Coukdnt beat Dirk? Kobe got knocked of multiple times in playoffs with gasol? Lebron can’t make the playoffs with AD AND RW.
Use your brain and quit hating. Context matters. Jordan carried those teams single handedly and once he got the pieces he needed - 6 ships with no finals series losses.
@@JeLifeCoach sound like lebron going against the spurs when he played in Cleveland..did u make tgat excuse for him??
The 3 point shot wasnt a big part of the game when MJ played, and had it been, MJ wouldve worked his ass off on it and excelled! LeBrhonda Karen James quits on his team, plays defense SOMETIMES, and blames everyone else when his team loses, even when LeGM puts his team together!
I would like to see the rule of not carrying the ball enforced, and then revisit the idea of people being able to "dribble" past people. Nonsense.
Colin is spending way to much time with nick wrong. Lebron is a great shooter. FMD. The nba has never been easier to play in. It’s awful to watch. Each game has turned into the equivalent of an all star game mixed in with the 3 point contest.
Yes!!! Absolutely
They don't even run plays at the end of games anymore. They just dribble, dribble, dribble the clock away and jack up a 3pointer at the end. Is that more supposed to be more skilled?
@@bandoogiemanz they do that throughout the whole game. So repetitive and dull. But apparently this is what skill looks like now. That’s why I don’t watch games anymore.
It was way harder to score in MJ;s era . Players are more athletic today and more players shoot 3's and sports medicine is better ... but overall players are less skilled in things like footwork , mid range and overall fundamentals ( mainly due I think to players playing less years in college. less skilled . its also way easier to score in todays league due to NBA rule changes over the years and most teams playing defense with all star game level intensity during the regular season
Exactly, they keep saying players today are better and more skilled, but when thinking of players of 90s and 00s everyone says oh! this player would be even better with todays rules and spacing.
For example, a player like Antonio McDyess or Rasheed Wallace, in todays game their stats would bump up and they would be almost MVP like players.
Let's put this in perspective: The talk of this year's All-Star Weekend was a G-League player who won the Slam Dunk Contest, because the so-called "bigger, better, faster" NBA stars didn't want to compete in it. The All-Star Game was horrible because we saw players jacking up nothing but 3s and taking uncontested layups with no one near them, which is how players play in the regular season (40 percent of all shots are 3-pointers).
The current players make so much money with guaranteed contracts and off-the-court endorsements that they don't want to compete in the regular season, All-Star Game, etc. Players are using load management to take games off (most infamously Kawhi Leonard) or using the guaranteed contracts as a leverage to get paid and not play (Ben Simmons, Kyrie Irving). Now the players are demanding the NBA cut 20 games off the schedule while still demanding $40 million-per-year contracts.
And no, there is no scientific proof that today's players are more athletic than in previous years. The human body has not evolved in hundreds of years. Michael Jordan and Darrell Griffith had 46-inch verticals in the 1980s. Spud Webb was 5-foot-6 and he had a 46-inch vertical back in the 1980s. David Thompson had a 44-inch vertical in the 1970s. Wilt Chamberlain reportedly recorded a 46-inch vertical in the 1960s. What has changed are external trappings (medicine, supplements, training methods).
If anything, players are shorter and smaller than they have been in decades. Not to mention there are plenty of unathletic-looking players in today's NBA as well. People need to stop acting like every NBA player today is athletic like LeBron James, Zion Williamson, Ja Morant or Zach Lavine.
@Goodguy1ful… I disagree. Players back in the 80s and 90s didn’t train nearly as hard or as often as today’s players do. The current crop of NBA players are absolutely more skilled in every facet of the game. What separates the old generation is their mental toughness and their will to compete. That’s missing from 95% of today’s players.
The rules have been changed to create more offense. Too many easy lay ups that didn't exist back then. Today whenever a player drives to the hoop, they end up at the foul line. If the defenders oxygen comes in contact with a player, he gets called for a foul. It's ridiculous. It has ruined the game. It is so lopsided. It makes today's players with average skill look impressive. If Jordan Magic Bird and Kareem played today they would be the most dominant players.
Your a causal
I think the gap between stars and the average player is closer today than back then.
Colin is clueless, MJ would score 45 a game in todays game and Kobe 40 , Bird would get about 35 a game easily 😂
Michael would average 45 points in his sleep in 2023. In his sleep.
No way
Jordan would clean up.
@LBJ over MJ They don’t understand
@Espo78 ur a mj fanboy, not realistic . LBJ will destroy mj in team basketball.
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It's Weird that Colin is using a guy that came in the league 20 years ago and still dominating, to prove that "today's" players are better. I mean then, why is a 38 year old man still a top 10 player? Maybe that irony is lost on Colin....
Better players who play 3/4 of the season at max...Make it make sense.
These guys might as well be playing volleyball today. It doesn't even look like the same sport. What if lebron had to guard Shawn Kemp he might have to be sedated afterward.
I see his point and I agree. But you can't compare Jalen Hurts, that plays hurt during the playoffs, with NBA players that do not play during the regular season.
The fact that NFL continues its savagery and players play hurt does not mean the NBA shoukd follow suit. Thats devolving... players now have real power. Good for them.
Meaning lebrons teammates were that much better than jordans
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Also means the players jordan played against were worse
An Jordan opponents was worse. You can't skip that part also.
@@queboogaveli right so it's not worth saying either way
@@queboogaveli It's just that MJ is so good that even in this era he will play, he will still be the GOAT in Offense and Defense compared to your Lebron.
When JORDAN PLAYED POINT HE AVG 30 pts 10 ast and 9 boards
They don't have the Grit of the men who paved the way 70's 80's 90's. Nah Bro as a huge Miami Heat fan. Air conditioner goes out dudes cramp up. Load management to much high grade weed being smoked. Then these NBA pros got do podcast cause the smoked their way out of the league. It's like comparing delicate Formula one cars with tough Nascar Rubbing and racing. They're not as tough and durable as the 80's and 90's players .
David Robinson, Dirk Nowinski, grant hill, penny Hardaway & iverson 😂
Players in the 80’, 90’ & early 2000 will crash any team you build with this era players
Players might be more skilled but game was better then. For the game to be be good there has to be a balance between the offense and defense. The game is one overcoming other. The rules being heavily favor for the offense defeats the purpose. Its like saying digital art is better than painting in museum
90s basketball is an atrocity to watch I’m sorry. Old heads suck man.
If you watch a game in 1988 and think it’s better basketball than today, your eyes don’t work properly. Lmao what type of bullshit did I just read man.
No defense. Just teams chucking up 30-40 3’s a game. No big men around the league except two or three. Cmon man. I can easily average 20 today. Easy.
Lebron James would average a 38 point Tripple Double in MJ's era. He would smash threw the 80s and 90s.
You cannot put KD and Giannis over Kareem. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Are players better or are the rules on defence harder .
Like most of us, I’m a fan first. I’ve been going to games and watching games since 1976. Dr. J is my all time favorite for a host of reasons. I watched him live in the Spectrum from the late 1970s until he retired. This game has evolved tremendously. Jordan was so far ahead of his so called peers it’s mind boggling. However, if Jordan was in the league today things would be different because the league is different. He would dominate, but he would have to contend with MORE skilled players. What I mean is more as in plural. There are a larger number of truly transcendant players from around the world today. In the end I think Jordan would become even better than he was. Having said that, I believe he would have a harder time off the court with the modern social media pressure. He’s still human and I do believe it would effect his game to some degree. I also think he would figure that part out and overcome it. That’s what winners do.
Did you say more transcendant players? The NBA is led by LeRoids and a bunch of lazy players that don't play defense.
It's a compelling argument. A hot take really. Skill, rules, sports science and medical advancement has made sports far more difficult to compare to in previous eras. I don't want to fall into the trap of saying it's easier. Because in many cases, the rules helped people be more successful in previous eras that current players don't have the same luxury and vice versa. I agree with him in part, but not completely.
Players today are way more skilled. They’ve stopped the hand checking and I understand back then was more physical. But some of the players today who aren’t all stars, would be superstars back then. Look at Bradley Beal
Today's game is built off athleticism not to many skilled players. The Floor is spread, no true centers. Stop degrading the past which was built on skilled and toughness..
Players have to adapt to the rules of their eras. Today's players would mug with the best of them if they played in Jordan's era.
Real question for y’all. If Jordan and Bron switched teams for the 8 years Bron was in Miami and Cleveland round 2, and 91- 98. Would the results be the same or different? And because it’s bron, he’d probably have played the two years since he grew up without pops and doesn’t gamble. I think assassin Jordan may have won 3-4 with Miami, but I don’t see him beating a Steve Kerr coached GSW. Jordan doesn’t like making the right play so he’s try to solo and GSW had some of the better defenses. He’s getting swept against KD GSW as well so it’s really do y’all think Bron can do 6 or 8 and 0. I just see what he’s doing with a healthy AD and can’t see him loosing if Scottie is healthy.
If Jokic wins the chip this year, he surpasses Giannis and KD in terms of all-time greatness, soo he should be on that list. This chip is so much more valuable than 2021 for example. way better competition
Agreed. But damn. Joel, Luka & the Jocker though...
They should shorten the season but taking days off without injuries should not be allowed. Less games would lead to less injuries.
Apart from 3th, what are they better at? Certainly not defence
Colin couldn't be more wrong. How the game is played has devolved in to what it is now. I dont think players today are learning how to play. If they're good enough they only play a year of college and go to the pros where they are learning on the job. I also disagree that players are more athletic today. It may appear that way because there isnt any defense.
Speaking truth...
30 years from now, some guy will be saying the same thing, “the science is better, the nutrition is better, guys are bigger, faster, blah blah. “Bigger and faster” in a small ball league where arguably the two best players (Luka & Jokic) are slow and unathletic. Players don’t practice as much as they used to, they don’t stay in college as long as they used to, yet they’re supposedly more “skilled”. They just shoot more threes now which any era could eventually adapt to. And we’ll never know what these guys would look like under the defensive rules of the 80’s & 90’s. They have free range to showcase their skills with little to no defense.
Players are better but can barely get on the court? What's better about them besides marketing?
Today, players are more athletic but not more skilled in the art of fundamentals....and something called being loyal to a team!!!
loyalty is overrated 💯
Did Colin really compare NBA regular season game to an NFL playoff game? Lol
The ball handling is better better athletes but… a lot of players can’t play without the ball way to much iso ball pick and roll drive and kick. And the way the game is officiated is pathetic 🤢👎😡
Colin must have been drinking whiskey and snorting coke when MJ played
He looks da part!😂
Where Colin was wrong.
They might be better at something but nobody will ever know since players refuse to defnd
Basketball without pads is in many ways as brutal as Football with pads.
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This season is the closest I’ve ever seen the West. NBA players are way more diverse and aren’t limited for he roles of playing one position. Players are more versatile and there’s so much stats. The sport has never been this popular
You weren’t around in the 90s? That shit was the most popular thing ever.
Offense and defense went hand in hand during the 1990s. Today's game does not have defense, therefore, the league lacks integrity.
From the bottom up, players are better. Defensive side of the game is less.
Players might be better today, but it's very close. The degrees of improvement are marginal, as any measurable athletic record shows; with the exception of improvements in equipment, the various world records are improved over time by tiny increments e.g. in 1972, Eddie Merckx set the "One Hour" record at 49.43 kms (30.72 miles). In 1996, Chris Boardman set the record at 56.38 kms (35.03 miles). However, 4 years later, in 2000, on the same equipment that Merckx had used, Boardman could only manage to beat Merckx's distance by 10 metres (32.8 feet), an improvement of just 0.02% in 48 years.
He lost me as soon as he said Giannis ability to bring the ball up the floor and hit a jumper. I'm all for this conversation but what game are you watching? Also, KD cannot be the hardest offensive player to stop. How many times has he been held to under 40% from the floor in a playoff series? Most of that is just media hype.
The Accurate 12 Greatest Players
1. MJ
2. Bron
3. Magic
4. Kareem
5. Kobe
6. Duncan
7. Bird
8. Shaq
9. Wilt
10. Hakeem
11. Steph
12. Russell
Giannis Needs Another Ring & KD Would Need His First Earned Ring In Order To Be In The Top 12
Thank you. Nothing against Mj as the goat but today's players are waay better.
I bet draymond green would not be in the top 20 in defense in the 90 and green is in the top list on defense in this era