Criticize him you can, but Colin does it as though he never accomplished anything. He keeps talking about Lebron like Lebron is perfect at everything. If he was he would not have been team hopping.
@@verlongrimes0971 Yes, I get what he means, Captain Obvious. Criticize anyone and there will always be people who will be in camps and claim "hating". This is not unique to Michael. I grew up in Chicago watching Jordan play ... believe me, there has ALWAYS been criticism of him ... Sam Smith's "The Jordan Rules" is over 30 years old now and it was a NY Times Bestseller. You're not making any special or insightful point whatsoever.
@@LawrenceAugust_ It sure didn't sound like you got it the way you made it seem like Cowherd was saying something so untrue. With the exception of the book "The Jordan Rules," Jordan wasn't criticized by the sports media nowhere near to the degree Lebron has been throughout his career. Athletes in Jordan's day weren't covered by the media 24/7 like they are in this social media age. Lebron hasn't been involved in any off the court scandals and he's been as close as a pro athlete can get to being an ideal role model, yet he is still one of the most polarizing athletes ever in the modern era, and a big part of that has to do with fan(atic)s of Jordan feeling the need to diminish him once people started putting him in the greatest ever conversation because in their eyes no one dare not be compared to Jordan. Bob Costas admitted that Jordan was protected by the sports media because he was the cash cow for the league and helped to grow the game globally, so they weren't allowed to probe his every move and report on it like they do now with Lebron. I'm not trying break new ground on anything, Sherlock, I'm just pointing out the facts.
Which Michael Jordan record has LeBron "smashed" Colin? Is it his 10 scoring titles ? How about his highest scoring average in the regular season? His highest scoring average in the playoffs? His record high postseason score of 63 against the Celtics? The season where he won the Dunk contest, All Star game MVP, steals title, DPOY, scoring title and league MVP all in one season? How about his record of leading the league in win shares 9 times (tied with Kareem for most all time). His record 6 Finals MVPs? Which record is it?
Collin is an disgrace to journalism and an idiot. James smashed every record of MJ. 😂 Lost respect for him. You can I say I like James better than MJ. It’s my opinion. That would be ok. You are entitled. But making idiotic statements based on nonsense is a sign he is trying to get attention like all the other idiots like Sharp, Perks, Write, Williams…
You forgot to mention that MJ was named to 1st Defensive Team 9 times which is also a record. (LJ - only 5 in 20yrs). Along with 10 nba scoring titles (LJ- only 1) This makes MJ not only the most lethal offensive threat in nba history, but also at the same time the most lethal defensive threat. This record is unmatched!!!
If MJ would have went 5-3 in the finals the mystique would be different. Back to back 3peats and hitting a game winner to win the finals doesn’t get much more fairytale then that.
Also, Both 3-peats were done ON THE ROAD by a SINGLE deciding point. Never for get this. first 3-peat, GOAT scored all 4th quarter points for his team until the game winning 3 pointer. 2nd 3-peat, GOAT scored last2 baskets (incl championship winner) and key defensive steal. That 6-0 wasnt easy. It could've easily been 4-2 as both game 7 were on the road.
@@mkhan8527 vs inferior teams compared to what Lebron played. Zero dynasties with MJ and 2 with Lebron. Lebron beat both dynasties while MJ lost to the 80s dynasties before they aged out or were rife with injruries.
Colin has crowned LeBron the G.O.A.T and over the last few years feels the need to dump on Jordan to elevate Bron. If Bron was undoubtedly the G.O.A.T you wouldn't have to do that. And it's nasty cause Colin didn't always say these things about Jordan. Nothing has changed wit Jordan in 20 years. Colin knew all this about Jordan prior. But since he's crowned Bron the G.O.A.T he critiques Jordan different then he did before. He's taking the same info he had when he spoke highly of him and is now using it to besmirch his reputation. Colin's credibility is in question.
You just proved Colin’s point. You can’t even criticize Jordan as an owner without fanboys whining about “LeBron”. If you’re gonna crucify Draymond for punching a teammate then crucify Jordan.
@@JohnDoe-xm8wi Jordan punched Kerr after Kerr punched him. I know people don't tell that part. And no one calls Jordan a great owner so that's false.
@@jamesmuhoozi5812 The same way LeBron fans try to prove he's the GOAT over Jordan. This isn't a Jordan thing this is what some fans do. Duncan vs Kobe, Wilt vs Russell, Magic vs Bird, Messi vs Ronaldo etc. You can do this with musicians and actors as well.
"Understand how powerful commercials are..." Okay, so why doesn't EVERY COMPANY and EVERY ATHLETE have anything remotely close to the Jordan brand? Is it because they somehow don't want to make more money? LOL... NO. It's because the brand is MJ. You can do any marketing campaign you want, but there's a REASON why Jordan's legacy is what it is. He was THAT GOOD. GOAT.
Exactly, there are brands with better commercials than the Jordan brand but they still can’t compare because like you said, MJ is the real deal. He is that damn good.
@@ramnuj6742 Why does everyone act like Pippin was some top draft pick that everybody wanted. He was lucky to even get drafted by the bulls. MJ took him under his wing and helped make him the great teammate he be came. And what had Phil Jackson won prior to coming to Chicago? Nothing
@@ramnuj6742 1982 NCAA title with game winner at age 18 when pippen was still equipment manager bagging bench players at local high schoo. Take that hater!.
'I’ve missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I’ve lost almost 300 games. Twenty-six times I’ve been trusted to take the game-winning shot and missed. I’ve failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.’ - Michael Jordan
6-0! Stop The only reason Colin Cowherd is criticizing Jordan is to get clicks. Colin is a football guy. He knows little about basketball. He crowned the Lakers as the next dynasty when they acquired AD to team up with LeBron. What happened? Colin changes his tune faster than the wind. Always shifting 180 degrees, hoping we don’t pay attention.
He was criticized extremely in his day..his winning diminished the criticism and Magic played with hall of famers immediately and the greatest marketing campaign was built on MJ’s ability in the court and Kerr hit MJ first so you’re just lying 😂
Loool Colin crazy, MJ was criticized heavily in the 80s for being selfish, saying you would never win a title with a player like him, at the time when the league was dominated by Big men, they said how the hell is this 6'6 shooting guard going to win anything? He literally proved everyone wrong
LeBron hasnt smashed every single MJ record. MJ is the only 10x scoring champ, 1 of only 2 players with 2 3-peats, highest ppg in NBA history (in the regular season, playoffs and finals). The only person to win DPOY, MVP and scoring title in 1 season, most finals MVP's, most combined total MVP's, highest P.E.R in NBA history etc etc. Lebron has broken a lot of all time records due to longetivity. But MJ didn't hold those records in the first place. He retired twice.
None of the marketing matters if the guy wasn’t dominant, and winning championship after championship. MJ deserves the majority of the credit. He had help along the way, as everyone does, but without his abilities on the court, nothing else works.
I agree but having the best shoes ever made has also helped him stay relevant. you have people killing each other for those shoes and some have never watched him play. The shoes definitely helped him a lot
Dude has the thing man… people like colin n nick is that y’all don’t judge him against his peers, y’all judge him against perfection. Y’all say bs like “well lebron made more finals” when in the hell did not winning become a standard
@@sirhoopalot1125 oh well yeah if your the goat or debatable the goat you get talked abt more I think it helps that there’s a current player with the best argument against him but yeah like they probably be ppl talking abt Tom Brady 100 years from now lol.
@@roselelouch3038 No not really they only talk about them if someone is closing in on one of their records. This guy is just trying to fan a unnecessary fire 🔥
Their is no mythology. MJ just won chips at 6-0 in the finals while lebron lose chips and is 4-6 in the finals. There is the difference. They want MJ to not be the goat so bad and it’s getting ridiculous at this point.
Jordan never beat a team in the finals or playoff series more talented than his team he always had the better team. That's why he only had one playoff series win before Phil.He could almost never drag his team higher than the 8th seed meaning he would play Boston and get whupped. LeBron ran up against better teams than his team but would drag his team to finals .Jordan also never beat the Celtics or prime Lakers with Kareem. The league was weak when he was winning. Prime Scottie was better than most the other teams number 1 guys and he was the 2nd best wing in the league. Reggie Miller, Patrick Ewing, Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp, John Stockton, Clyde Drexler. Scottie could guard 1-4 at elite level and be your point guard and give u twenty a night.
@tron williams not necessarily accurate. They were always thought of as the best because they won. It's like Chiefs. We know there roster isn't most talented but we regard them as best Team because with Mahomes we always expect them to win
@@tronwilliams8781 the 2016 cavaliers were more talented than the 2016 warriors without Kevin Durant. The Cavaliers had two number one draft picks. The Warriors had zero top five draft picks on their team. Both teams have three future Hall of Famer’s …Grow a brain
Lebron hasn't smashed every Jordan record. Jordan did more in a shorter amount of time. An entire hall of fame career stands between Jordan and Lebron - 2 championships, 2 finals MVPs, 9 scoring titles, 1 Defensive Player of the Year, 1 Regular season MVP.
This is such a clown take. MJ Has had bad games but NEVER had a bad series. MJ also HELPED develop scottie pippen. He constantly sacrificed his game to help his growing team get off and learn and picked up his scoring in the later half of the game when he was needed.
Yall keep forgetting that Scottie was a LOTTERY PICK coming in. He was drafted 5th overall and outplayed all the top picks the summer before the draft. Its crazy that the whole "MJ helped Scottie" has become apart of the narrative. We can thank the MJ hype machine for that I guess....
So how come people in the media bring up the following Loss to the Celtics in the playoffs Losses to the Pistons in the playoffs MJ retiring…twice His time with the Wizards as player His with with the Wizards as GM His ownership of the Bobcats (now Hornets) But you say MJ is never criticised? Nonsense Colin!!!!
Dean Smith had coached UNC to the Final Four seven times as of 1982, including the prior year. But after the '82 title led by James Worthy, Jordan couldn't get them to the Final Four as the team leader-- and only once to the round of 8 (lost in the first round the other year). Also as of 1982, UNC had won the ACC tournament 9x, including the year before (1981). Then, with Jordan leading the team, they didn't win again the next two years. Jordan is still not inducted into the National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame, now 16 years and over 200 players inducted, later.
@@phillipschuman4307 Dean Smith as UNC coach from 61 to 85 coached in an era were it was easier to win a championship 1 because you had less games to win and two all the good teams didn’t make it because only conference champions made it. Dean only has one championship in this era. Dean smith to win that one championship needed the talent of 3 players who would go on to be top 4 draft picks with two of them being NBA hall of famers. There is no question as to who needed who here.
Michael JORDAN never said he was perfect. He also said that he need pippen and others to aid and help him on his journey regardless of what it was. But the way folks come after him make it seem as though he said otherwise. That's the part I don't under. Makes it seem as though many have their own personal issues with Michael and more than anything else.
Yep, real Jordan fans love his story even his failures as he was an example during his playing days of overcoming personal/team challenges on the way to success.
@Ray Donovn disagree, Colin is a Lebron Stan. He will literally say Anything to discredit Michael Jordan. Idc about Lebron or Jordan but the nut jobs on both sides always try to shield there alternative motives,
@Ray Donovn trust me bro, watch ‘the herd’ clips from around 2016-17 Every clip is “how dare anyone win MVP, lebron should win it every year” and “steph won 73 games, lebron only won less because he doesn’t care about the regular season…. He should still win MVP tho” And while u might say his opinion “changed” once you know these past takes and hear how he speaks about… Lebron Or Jordan in certain cases it’s pretty obvious, he’s still a Stan and still pushes little subliminal agenda! Like when he said (a year ago or so) to Nick Wright that lebron is “clearly the better player, everyone knows that” but Blah Blah Blah about Jordan’s imagine!
I think what they mean is jordan never said he was perfect but his fans and other regular fans would be quick to critique lebron but when it comes to mj you can't touch him or people make him out to be perfect even tho he said it himself he ain't perfect same thing with youngboy hid fans are the problem not him
MJ has gotten A LOT of negative press, especially since the LeBron legacy project kicked in. Despite the revisionism pushed by Nick Wright, Shannon Sharpe, and other Klutch agents, Jordan's legacy holds up.
“Lebron legacy project” 😂😂😂😂Lmao mate I can’t stand either one of their stupid fan bases. The Jordan fans are weird and kind of 🌈 and the lebron James fans are delusional and kind of 🌈😂😂all of you sound ridiculous
Jordan is criticized. Being the greatest winner in NBA history kinda squelches a lot of crticism. Being the most graceful athlete to float through the air kinda does too.
He’s not the greatest winner and that’s why he’s being criticized. The mythology has to stop. He doesn’t have more Rings than Kareem or Russell. He’s started his career with multiple losing seasons and he ended his career with multiple losing seasons. The mythology has to stop. He never beat a Dynasty. 0-2 Vs Birds Celtics 1-3 Vs Zekes Pistons 1-1 Vs Shaqs Magic He was Fired by the Wizards for Losing and he’s selling his majority stake in the Hornets for Losing. His post-Bulls failures are proof that Jerry Krause, Phil Jackson and Tex Winter deserve more credit for the Bulls success.
Fake lamestream news. Trump was right. All they do is lie to create a narrative. The narrative is supposed to be love LeRoid like Jordan. Not happening one is real the other is phony.
This man lies; Lebron has not “smashed” every Michael Jordan record. In 20 years, Lebron still has not achieved 6 rings and 6 finals mvp’s. In 20 years Lebron has not achieved 10 scoring titles, nor he has achieved 9 first team all defense, nor he has ever earned DPOTY, nor Lebron has earned 5 league mvp awards. At the very beginning of the video he lied, so his credibility was zero as far as anything else he had to say. The moment he presented a lie, he was done at that time.
stop it… none of this has to do with 6-0 in the finals, and all of his clutch moments throughout his career…and the pre-Pippen stuff?… well obviously he isn’t gunna win a title by himself… no one can.
@@tfonn1582 Giannis is my favorite player, but he did it with Holiday, who is the best defender of any guard in the league…and the best structured team in basketball.
Bottom line is MJ is the greatest to ever play the game. He played it at the highest level like Mahomes is playing football right now. Colin can attack Jordan all he wants but anyone who had seen him play, knows this is a bunch of garbage. Horrible takes. I expect this crap from Nick Wright or Rob Parker...guys with no credibility. But I expect better from Colin. This seems like a personal gripe because maybe Jordan wasn't nice to Colin. Grow up.
There is no “greatest to ever play” I’m sick of people saying that. He was the best player of the 1990s without question. You can’t prove he’s the best player of every era/generation besides the ones he played in.
@@raymondsims7042 nobody has better stats than him when we look at averages and advanced stats. I know u Lebron fans are slow and wanna compare Lebron most point to MJ who played way less seasons lol.
@@bigazTV I’m not a lebron James “fan”🤷♂️actually not sure why you brought him or his stats up. I also didn’t say anyone had better stats that mj. So again not sure why you brought them up. I get it you want to suck mj off as much and as hard as you can, but there’s no need to here. I said “mj is one of the greatest basketball players to ever play, and the best player of the 90s” the “goat” thing to me is disrespectful to so many greats that whoever people are calling the “goat” never got to play against. That’s why I don’t like calling people the “goat”
@@raymondsims7042 literally nobody agrees with your statement that there's no goat. Only mentally weak people who are afraid to have an opinion think like this.
Advertising has little to nothing to do with Jordan’s hype. It’s the FACT he actually delivered - repeatedly, over & over. Even before winning he was delivering!!!
Im trying to understand the point in this video lol (sarcasm). MJ is critiqued as an Ahole a horrible owner, teammate and also flaming out in early play offs. The reason why he is mythical is because he gave us everything we wanted to see from a basketball player. He took Nike to another level and still remains the most influential sneaker ambassador of all time. MJ is the GOAT in all aspects as a basketball player. We cant say the same about the others you are caping for.
This is literally what he’s speaking on. Becoming “mythical” allows people to start stretching the truth and believing bulshit. Like praising MJ for being loyal to Chicago, when the GM and Owners treated him and Scottie like shit. People speak as if MJ never had a failures. Do you know people actually believe that MJ never played in a game 7 in the post season… yet he’s lost in a game 7.
Only for the 80s & 90s there’s a new sheriff and has been for the past 20 years that’s two (2) decades the real Greatest Of All Time LeBron James aka King James The King Of The Court mic drop 🎤 ( oh and don’t bother responding liking or disliking) it’s a wrap!
OK Colin what records that aren't longevity based has LEBRON beaten MJ in? Regular season MVP MJ 5 LEBRON 4 Finals mvp MJ 6 Lebron 4 DPOY MJ 1 LEBRON 0 All defensive Team MJ 9 LEBRON 6 Scoring Titles MJ 10 LEBRON 1 PER MJ Scored 51 as a 40 year old Lebron not even 40 yet. The list goes on MJ Did more in less time with fewer blemishes on his record. POOR FORM COLIN.
Michael has said that he failed many, many times, but that he never allowed failure to stop him from succeeding. Colin, and Nick Wright have made it their mission to prop up LeBron as the GOAT. It’s not gonna happen. It will never happen. The fact that LeBron is thirsty for GOAT status and begs for GOAT recognition is just sad.
You're spot on. They can't prop LeBron over Jordan by just LeBron's accomplish & skills alone so they try to knock Jordan down... and it's not working.
This is such a bad take, Michael has been criticized for all of these things Colin mentioned. But we also have to remember he retired over 20 years ago. 25 years from now, many of Lebron's shortcomings and failures will not be remembered and we will remember him as one of the greatest and most accomplished players of all time. People are more negative in the present, but once all time greats retire they will be given their flowers. The Steve Kerr punch was a great example. Jordan WAS criticized for this back when it happened, maybe less so than Draymond because back then (On average) people we're far less soft and it was more common for teammates to get into physical altercations.
@@chris.t.389 1. Because there is far less to criticize when talking about Jordans career vs LeBrons. 2. Jordan was heavily criticized before he won a championship the same way lebron was, if not to a greater extent
@@akaDOOD no its because ppl act like jordan was a god and they pick and choose what they want to criticize a particular player on. Ppl are afraid to go against the grain. And jordan was not criticized nowhere near the extent that lebron and kobe was esp in the social media time where ppl can criticize a player at an instance and it go viral. Be honest and stop the cap
@@chris.t.389 Mike retired 20 years ago. When he played, people critiqued his every move. From his early struggles with the bulls, to his retirements, etc. After Kobe retired less and less people talked about his bad performances in the playoffs, or called him a ball hog. and when bron retires over time people will forget about the 2011 finals or the decision. Jordan was human and he had bad games and bad performances but out of any all time great he has the least blemishes on his resume which is why it feels in retrospect he isn’t criticized. But he definitely is criticized appropriately, and was criticized appropriately during his era.
@@akaDOOD im not that young i remember jordan playing i seen kobe whole career. They are not and were not criticized to the extent as lebron. Even nba players admit to that esp i A social media era where thing go viral everyone got a podcast, everyone making theyvown narratives and hottakes. This did not happen in the 80s and 90s. And they same things ppl criticize 1 player they let pass for another player esp when it comes to jordan
So Lebron would be a myth without, Wade, bosh, Spoelstra, kyrie, love, AD? Magic would be a myth without Kareem, Worthy, Pat Riley? Steph would be a myth without Kerr, Klay, KD, and Dray? So basically let’s take away the additional components that makes great players as great as they are.. which one of these players still break through?
Magic? He didn't need Riley to win championships....Or Kareem or Worthy. He played through a 101 fever...Played center when Jabbar went down. Beat my Sixers. He was a rookie.
@@dnice4145 you didn't understand the point.. players like magic and LeBron.. will be stellar whoever there with. LeBron carried a bunch of nobodies to the finals... Where he was swept but that's besides the point.
Call what exactly? Colin has stated a bunch of straw man arguments and outright lies in his comments. I have never seen anyone say he never missed a shot or that he is the sole reason the bulls won championships.
@@dnice4145 I HAVE!!😂😂😂😂😂I’ve literally heard things like “Mj has never been outplayed by another teams player before” just rubbish like that😂it’s insane
@@raymondsims7042 people just need to realize that the goat of a sport won’t always be in your generation or lifetime. I genuinely feel bad for people that weren’t old enough to have seen MJ play. When he retired he left a massive void that still hasn’t been filled. A lot less people watch the game now that they did in the 90’s. It’s just not close. MJ had a finals series that was watched by almost 40 million people. Less than 12 million people watched the last finals. The tv viewing and streaming numbers are awful.
@@cotati76 mj was incredible you’d be an idiot to deny his greatness on the basketball court. He’s clearly in the top 0.2 percent of basketball players ever. I don’t call ANYONE the “goat” in any sport though lad🤷♂️simply because it’s impossible to know. I also think it’s kind of disrespectful and dismissive of so many incredible basketball players that earned their right to be in that conversation. So yes Michael Jordan is by far the best player of the 1990s! That we know for sure. And of course he’s one of the best to ever touch a basketball. I just think people need to stop taking about a man as if he’s a cartoon superhero 😂😂that’s when the conversation gets really silly.
Michael never gave the at his end of career 32 year old Dirk a ring while primary guarded by Shawn Marion and teaming up with two other US gold medalist all at their prime under 30. 😂
not just gold medalists. teaming up with 2006 FMVP wade and Raptors franchise Bosh. He needed 2 marquie franchises in their peak prime to loose 2011 ring to 32 yrs old Dirk. and again losing 2014 finals to FMVP Kawhi with 32 yrs old Wade still in his prime. Please understand, despite Lebron being with Bosh and Wade, he could not create a "breakfast" club like GOAT in chicago. This creates longevity til 34 yrs. Pippen back was done at 31 by 1997 just like wade knees in 2014. Its the GOATs "breakfast club" in his basement, that pushed pippens body til mid-30s (signed nice contract for $60 million) and wades faded hanging around with LBJ colluding rings.
@@j-short5431 after a “three peat” he retired. And then did another three peat again after. If that is quitting then the four ring and half of the time in shorten-season queen never even tried. Try harder. 😂
@@cudackedees3327 After his three peat, he still had less rings than Russel, Magic and Kareem. Same number as Bird. He hadn’t even surpassed his contemporaries. Checkmate
@@j-short5431 a three peat that only been done since Russell. 😂 check what? Check your head? Magic knees down begging him come back and he did another three peat. Yes check that! Better check it with that 2011 finals performance with two US gold medalist at their prime.
@@isaacmota2220 Leaders don't go around punching teammates. They lead by example. Kerr is a better human being and has shown empathy and kindness. Jordan? Not so much.
Steph has less MVPs, less defensive first teams, less all nba teams, less finals mvp, less all stars. What are we talking about here? If we just going on rings then Robert Horry has 6, is he better than Steph or Lebron?
@@pedroserrano4485 relax mate he also has more in a lot of categories than mj as well. That’s a more even debate. Steph isn’t even close to lebron James to be fair
I don’t think anyone says you can’t criticize MJ, THE PERSON. He’s not winning any humanitarian awards. People are just saying he was exactly as good as he was billed to be, not a marketing campaign
This dude literally chose the day that Michael sold his team to point out all his flaws. That’s the real problem with your take. You could’ve given this take anytime before that.
I don't think any under 6 years old can really say they saw anyone play, Even starting 'see him play' at 10 years old seems a little exaggerated. Someone who is now 25 could have 'seen him play' when they were under 1 year old (in 1998), and then again in '01 through '03, when they were 3 or 4 years old. Please. What Colin said makes a lot more sense than you, here.
this is a total straw man argument. people criticize MJ all the time but there is very little to criticize. he had very few flaws in this game and he kept his nose clean for the most part. He has always been good to the fans, and he still gives quality interviews. he was tough and competitive (old school) but seems pretty down to earth. RE: Green punching a teammate VS MJ. We live in a different society now and so some people think teammates punching each other is completely out of line.
There's a video of Draymond punching a teammate and not one of Michael Jordan. If Kobe punched a teammate, it wouldn't be a big deal. If Draymond and Dennis Rodman did, it would be a bigger deal because of their history.
Yep. Also, back in those days you could spank the hell out of your kids and it was considered good parenting. Now you're likely to get arrested. Physical fights on the court were common. Times have changed drastically in 30-40 years.
Agreed. Collin's analogy missed the video aspect. Ray Rice had a 2-game suspension before the video came out. Seeing shit and hearing about shit evoke different responses, right or wrong
Agree with Colin on marketing campaign but that was good for our generation the last dance sealed it for current generation especially because it was aired during pandemic. That put MJ in the legendary category for my kids. They youtubed all his games afterwards
Every big time athlete is heavily marketed, very few besides maybe 5-6 across all sports meet and exceed the hype when we watch them at their biggest moments in sports. Jordan, Woods from 98-06, Gretzky, Ali etc are the rare exception.
These cowards and his clutch sports NEVER mention NCAA ring let along COUNT it. Because LeTeamHopper skipped it. Kobe skipped it. cowardly because it was ultra competitive. sudden death NCAA games. and have to play in the system like MJ did at NCAA 4 corner offense. MJ still won being the 2nd most important player on UNC line-up. They hate that ring the most because it counts against LBJ, Kobe and particularly against narrative "what did MJ win without pippen" These are the slimy cockroaches we are dealing with on ESPN and Clutch sports these days. No wonder NBA is dying. nobody watches it. All-star game became a laughing joke too.
The last dance didn’t seal anything. People on lebrons side of this debate just use that so they don’t have to come up with anymore legitimate points for their case
Last dance was one of the best propaganda series of all time. They spent more time on pippens tantrum in 94 then they did Him bailing MJ’s ass out in game 6 of the 96 finals.
He was the most dominant and popular player when people actually enjoyed basketball in the 90's. The sport has sucked the last 20 years and currently is almost unwatchable. The shoes were higher quality when Nike actually made good shoes. Most kids had his poster in their rooms as teenagers. Not just Jordan but the players had personality and loyalty to their teams and cities. It was like watching gladiators who left everything on the court and played defense. These teams score 120pts like nothing with no defense. Jordan has this status because he made people like to watch basketball unlike Lebron. Stop acting all confused because it's not confusing and beyond obvious.
Agreed, jacking up a ton of 3s (even the bigs do this) has broken the nba game. There almost zero half court offence where players can really show their skill set beyond shooting from range or scoring around the basket. Load management has also killed the nba popularity, if the players don't care enough to play every night what should people care to watch consistently.
Colin: LeBron smashed every Michael Jordan record. Reality: LeBron passed Jordan on every longevity statistic. He's never surpassed his scoring titles, MVPs, DPOY, Championships, All defense selections and a few of others. The reason Jordan is hard to criticize is because he was once in a lifetime player that once he started winning, he didn't stop. He played with one all star his entire career and dominated his era. He can be criticize for punching Kerr and being a jerk to his teammates. In my opinion the reason Colin rides so hard for LeBron is the same reason Draymond Green does as well. Mutual financial interests. The Jordan vs Lebron debate ended a long time ago. Klutch's propaganda network just won't let it go. They want to pretend longevity beats accolades. It doesn't. It never has. Ask Kareem.
@@Drivenprogressive Having one good year means nothing. What was their record the year after before MJ returned? Also The Al Hortford hawks win 60 games during Lebron's heat years and we're not serious contenders. Also How many all star selections did Horace grant and BJ Armstrong make in total?
@Alex P they won 57 with Jordan and won 55 without Jordan and took the Knicks to 7 in the conference semis, how have LeBrons teams done when he left 🤔, stop acting like Jordan didn't have a great team and arguably the best coach to ever do it
@@Drivenprogressive you're focusing on one year with a reigning champions bulls team that developed chemistry playing together for years, they also added Ron Harper (20 ppg) and Toni Kukoc and had the same coach and same front office. When LeBron Left Cleveland the first time, Mike Brown left, the front office was replaced and aside from Verajao and Gibson nobody else in that team had a prolonged time playing with each other. Not to mention all the new players that were signed. The year after he left Miami they went from 54 wins to 37 wins. Chris Bosh also missed half the season and Wade missed 22. The following year they were 3rd in the east. The year after he left Cleveland the 2nd time, they had a brand new team and Kevin love missed 60+ games. Pick a better talking point.
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️this lebron James vs mj debate is never ending!!😞this is the worst debate in sports history!!! They didn’t even play at the same time. This is bloody stupid
Funny thing is, I buy his shoes not because of AJ ads, but because of what he was as a basketball player. Majority of AJ buyers have never seen him play, let alone his AJ ads
Your making his point. How much people say he’s the goat that has never watched him play? Not highlights an actual game. A lot of people act like cows. Just follow the herd. Everyone has Jordans. “Oh I need those too” Jordan is the goat. I don’t watch basketball but “yeah Jordan Goat. 6-0” 😂
@@ME-vy1sf How many people say Jordan isn't the GOAT without seeing him play? It goes both ways. They probably go off his stats, highlights, accolades, clutchness, players endorsement and team success. How many people seen Russell and Wilt yet rank them top ten or five? This isn't a Jordan thing.
The backlash is because Colin's take was sloppy and sounded written by Klutch Sports (agenda to place LBJ above MJ e.g. Dray flip flopping on LBJ from calling him a bitch, then signing with Klutch and now saying LBJ is the face of the league lol). At the very least be honest about how MJ was carving his own path with or without Pippen, with or without Jackson: MJ's achievements pre 91' Championship: 1x MVP, 4x Scoring Titles, 1x DPOY, 1x ROTY, 2x Steals leader, 4x All NBA First Team, 3x All Defensive First Team, 6x All Star, 1x AMVP, 2x Slam Dunk Titles. Pippen achievements pre 91' Championship: 1x All Star 1x All NBA 2nd Team You can't just diminish MJ the way Colin did and expect it to slide into next week lol
more like he rarely came up short when it counted the most. The true definition of a GOAT. His nike commercial clearly said, " I missed over 9000 FGs. I failed over and over and over again. Thats why I succeed"
The power of Nike doesn’t work for LeBron? Or the thousand other Nike athletes? Seems like a flimsy argument. Myopic take. LeBron couldn’t make the playoffs before Larry Hughes…… see how dumb that sounds.
Lebron smashed every Michael Jordan record? Really? The ignorance of the man is on another level. Try scoring titles, MVP's, championships, finals MVP's, defensive 1st teams, DPOY awards. Highest scoring avg of all time. Anyone else hear this?
Lebron shouldn't even be in the goat debate because he's been caught purchasing peds. But no one is allowed to mention that, and yet people talk about how you can't criticize Jordan. Smh.
Hey, I’m at a Motel 6 in Odessa, TX.... i got off my Southwest flight not far from here….I gave this young lady a ride about two miles out before I got here. She said she just needed a place to nap for a couple hours so I let her. I took a nap and when I woke up.... she and my wallet was gone!! I was just being nice, and I assure you I was not soliciting. I’ve can’t imagine paying for sex…. Noooo not me😶😶 You think I should call the cops? Someone help me…. PLEASE!!
Colin, In what ways has Lebron surpassed Jordan? Remember when Lebron set the All Time scoring records in a playoff game? (Sorry, that was Jordan in 86) Remember when Lebron won the scoring records, MVP and Defensive Player of the Year (Sorry that was Jordan in 88) Remember when Lebron led his team to sweep the defending NBA Champions (Sorry ,that was Jordan over the Pistons) Remember when Lebron set a record of 13 straight field goals in an NBA Finals (Sorry, that was Jordan in 1991) Remember when Lebron set a record in steals over a Finals series (Sorry, that was Jordan in 1991) Remember when Lebron set 3 point record in the Finals record (Sorry, that was Jordan in 1992) Remember when Lebron set a record for points in a Half in the Finals (Sorry, that was Jordan in 1992) Remember when Lebron set a scoring record in a Finals series (Sorry, that was Jordan in 1993) Remember when Lebron led his team to a record 72-10 (Sorry, that was Jordan in 1996) Remember when Lebron hit those game winners that won two Finals games(Sorry that was Jordan in 1997) Remember when Lebron won that Finals series where he made the defensive play and game winning shot (Jordan 1998) Remember how durable Lebron was that he never missed a single game during that three-peat (Jordan 1996-1998) Isn't it amazing how Lebron was the most watched NBA player ever (check ratings for Jordan games) Isn't it cute MJ wears Lebron's number? (who is chasing who?) And I'm a Lebron fan. I've seen Lebron live a lot. I've seen MJ live. It's not close. Saying Lebron has surpassed MJ doesn’t make it so.
Jesus...Colin compared Jordan to Draymond Green...he also praised the hell out of Phil Jackson who we still don't know if he's actually a good coach because he had the greatest load of talent of any coach in NBA history.
Things GOAT was criticised already by pathetic Established Media..... 1. A scoring leader can never be NBA champion (despite media knowing "traveling cocaine circus" can never be Lakers or Celtics) 2. His gambling issue in 1993 3. His gambling caused his dad's death 4. He doesn't get political, ignores his own race. GOATs dedication, loyalty, ultra hard work, singular vision towards victory or bust FAR FAR superceded his short comings. And his perfection of his craft spilled over to his brands particularly the jumpman, air jordan stuff. And in turn turned a garbage bulls franchise to NBA royalty not named Laker that ESPN still obsesses about. And fhats what really counts. case closed.
Jordan fans hate LeBron with a passion. They absolutely hate it when the two are compared and have to justify it by praising Jordan and/or lessening LeBron. The same thing happens when the 2017 Warriors are compared to the 1990's Bulls teams. They can't accept that they are all great we will never know what would really happen if they played each other.
Lebron fanatics hate Jordan a man who retired 20 years and who the bulk of his career is 25 years in the past. Many Lebron fanatics weren't alive or are too young to have witnessed MJs career, yet they think they can rewrite history to make Jordan look bad retroactively. Lol.
MJ turned a $180M investment into reportedly $1.7B ... any self-respecting and successful business owner will tell you that's a win; a Pretty damn big win.
This is such a weird weird take. Who is policing criticisms of Michael Jordan? Is the Nike advertising team of the 1980s really the real goat? We’re they already primed to launch the greatest most expansive advertising campaign of all time? And Jordan happened to be the lucky one they chose to be the face of it? I guess I was brainwashed into thinking Jordan’s 63pts v 5 HoFers and being called God by Larry bird then averaging 37ppg the next season had a lot to do with the popularity of the shoes. Should we stop giving him credit for being the face and the unanimous best player on the greatest team ever assembled? Should we also downplay his gold in 1984 with the all-collegiate team? Was Bobby Knight probly smoking crack when he called a college player the best basketball player he’s ever seen play after coaching him on that collegiate Olympic team? Is it really the “old heads” who saw MJ live who all agree Lebron is GOAT, but the younger generation won’t accept it bc of MJ’s UA-cam highlights? Is anybody even listening to me???? I was just about to tell ya who ate 40 bagged lunches…it’s that damn Sasquatch again…
Facts. When looking at Averages and advanced stats. Jordan beat Lebron is every category expect passing and one more. U can’t compare 13 years to 20 years. U have to check the abery and other advances stats
People will claim Jordan isn't the GOAT without seeing him play, goes both ways. How many people have seen Wilt or Russell but have them top 10 or 5? How many people have seen Ali but have him as the GOAT? This isn't a Jordan thing
@@sideshowbobsaget8876 you’re right, but I personally go off what I’ve seen. I grew up in the 80’s/90’s so Magic is my personal Goat in the NBA, Tyson is my all time fav boxer, and Lawrence Taylor is my all time favorite NFL player. People have their opinions but it loses merit if you depend on UA-cam or call some one the goat that played their last game before you were even born. Not saying you are but that’s just my opinion.
@@Natureboy8383 Have you seen Russell play? Do you think he isn't top ten because you haven't seen him play? Everyone has different criteria for who they think is the GOAT. I understand what you're saying though. You have to have some kind of knowledge of these athletes, but imo most fans seem to be casuals when ranking players. How many have seen Doc but based off everything he did it safe to say he's top 20. We can't exclude the past.
There are other players in the NBA that won more titles than him, scored more than him, won more gold medals than him. But why is he called the GOAT? Because Jordan is just a media creation.
Good points but mj was absolutely phenomenal on the court though lad. It’s not all “media creation” but i do agree he shouldn’t be called the “goat” though
@verlongrimes0971 yea right playing with Jordan pippen become 50 greatest was on the Dream team an hifer name the player lbj help improve they legacy to that extent?
It’s just that so many have only seen his highlights or heard his lore. And not seem him play. He’s the greatest nba player to most. But there were a lot of 10-33 nights in the playoffs. A lot of first round playoff exits. He won 6 rings but played many more years than that. His lord is built on just those 6 years and the rest of his career is disregarded by the masses. His off court behavior would be shunned in this social media era.
With the bulls he played 11 full seasons an won 6 titles name another player in the modern NBA that accomplished more or equal to in that amount of time?only player that can be magic 5 in 13
@@jonoak we get it he was phenomenal and I will never bash mj he was one of the greatest ever without question. But some of the super fans talk about him like he’s an anime character 😂😂😂lmao mate “His will to win was just so much higher than anyone has ever seen” “if ya made eye contact with him, he would rip your soul out” “ he’d knock his grandma out to win a basketball game”😂😂rubbish like that is just silly
@raymondsims7042 just from watching for myself he was the closest thing in basketball terms I've ever seen with my own 2 eyes an I've been watching since 87
Having the HIGHEST scoring avg in NBA History is not a myth. Having the HIGHEST playoff scoring avg in NBA History is not a myth. Winning 10 scoring titles is not a myth. Leading the league in steals 3 seasons isn't a myth. Having the HIGHEST P.E.R in nba history is not a myth. Stop it Colon. Imagine if this same type of so called " marketing campaign" was used for a player like say, Ben Simmons 🤔, it doesn't hit the same. Basketball was dominated by Addidas and Converse before Jordan. NIKE WAS NOTHING in the NBA before Jordan. Phil Jackson had ZERO series wins before Jordan. He wasn't even a head coach. And it was Tex Winters offensive system, not Phil Jackson 🙄. Colon, just stop it, man. You are to good of a reporter for this video. Or are you? You are just blatantly omitting FACTS! Jordan even gave the " LEGENDARY " Dean Smith his 1st title....so in reality, who made who? It seems to me that Jordan gave them all their 1st
Say what you want about mikes pettiness as a person but this still doesn’t deny the facts Tht Hes the 🐐 the new era of the NBA has been 🗑️ as far as people teaming up.MJ won it with what he had and eventually got from the Bulls. Mind you I never saw Mj play with the Bulls only for the Wizards. I respect Lebrons career but the MIA thing was a reason we saw the KD GS thing which really ruined basketball and if you don’t believe tht you don’t know basketball 💯
"You can't criticize Michael Jordan", says man criticizing Michael Jordan
Right!!
Criticize him you can, but Colin does it as though he never accomplished anything. He keeps talking about Lebron like Lebron is perfect at everything. If he was he would not have been team hopping.
He's saying you can't criticize him without people accusing you (or him) as "hating" on Jordan even when the critique or criticism is valid.
@@verlongrimes0971 Yes, I get what he means, Captain Obvious. Criticize anyone and there will always be people who will be in camps and claim "hating". This is not unique to Michael. I grew up in Chicago watching Jordan play ... believe me, there has ALWAYS been criticism of him ... Sam Smith's "The Jordan Rules" is over 30 years old now and it was a NY Times Bestseller. You're not making any special or insightful point whatsoever.
@@LawrenceAugust_ It sure didn't sound like you got it the way you made it seem like Cowherd was saying something so untrue. With the exception of the book "The Jordan Rules," Jordan wasn't criticized by the sports media nowhere near to the degree Lebron has been throughout his career. Athletes in Jordan's day weren't covered by the media 24/7 like they are in this social media age. Lebron hasn't been involved in any off the court scandals and he's been as close as a pro athlete can get to being an ideal role model, yet he is still one of the most polarizing athletes ever in the modern era, and a big part of that has to do with fan(atic)s of Jordan feeling the need to diminish him once people started putting him in the greatest ever conversation because in their eyes no one dare not be compared to Jordan. Bob Costas admitted that Jordan was protected by the sports media because he was the cash cow for the league and helped to grow the game globally, so they weren't allowed to probe his every move and report on it like they do now with Lebron. I'm not trying break new ground on anything, Sherlock, I'm just pointing out the facts.
Which Michael Jordan record has LeBron "smashed" Colin? Is it his 10 scoring titles ? How about his highest scoring average in the regular season? His highest scoring average in the playoffs? His record high postseason score of 63 against the Celtics? The season where he won the Dunk contest, All Star game MVP, steals title, DPOY, scoring title and league MVP all in one season? How about his record of leading the league in win shares 9 times (tied with Kareem for most all time). His record 6 Finals MVPs? Which record is it?
This is facts
Collin is an disgrace to journalism and an idiot. James smashed every record of MJ. 😂
Lost respect for him.
You can I say I like James better than MJ. It’s my opinion. That would be ok. You are entitled. But making idiotic statements based on nonsense is a sign he is trying to get attention like all the other idiots like Sharp, Perks, Write, Williams…
Which one of those is a record? 10 scoring titles isn’t. Wilt got that haha
@@SBSBuckeyeG actually 10 is the record. Wilt had seven. Basic arithmetic
You forgot to mention that MJ was named to 1st Defensive Team 9 times which is also a record. (LJ - only 5 in 20yrs).
Along with 10 nba scoring titles (LJ- only 1)
This makes MJ not only the most lethal offensive threat in nba history, but also at the same time the most lethal defensive threat. This record is unmatched!!!
If MJ would have went 5-3 in the finals the mystique would be different. Back to back 3peats and hitting a game winner to win the finals doesn’t get much more fairytale then that.
Same with Joe Montana and Tom Brady, one was perfect and the other lost to Eli Manning twice and a backup QB, along with some cheating scandals.
Also, Both 3-peats were done ON THE ROAD by a SINGLE deciding point. Never for get this.
first 3-peat, GOAT scored all 4th quarter points for his team until the game winning 3 pointer.
2nd 3-peat, GOAT scored last2 baskets (incl championship winner) and key defensive steal.
That 6-0 wasnt easy. It could've easily been 4-2 as both game 7 were on the road.
@@mkhan8527 vs inferior teams compared to what Lebron played. Zero dynasties with MJ and 2 with Lebron. Lebron beat both dynasties while MJ lost to the 80s dynasties before they aged out or were rife with injruries.
Colin has crowned LeBron the G.O.A.T and over the last few years feels the need to dump on Jordan to elevate Bron. If Bron was undoubtedly the G.O.A.T you wouldn't have to do that.
And it's nasty cause Colin didn't always say these things about Jordan. Nothing has changed wit Jordan in 20 years. Colin knew all this about Jordan prior. But since he's crowned Bron the G.O.A.T he critiques Jordan different then he did before.
He's taking the same info he had when he spoke highly of him and is now using it to besmirch his reputation. Colin's credibility is in question.
Same way Jordan fans try to prove he is the goat over LeBron
Facts
You just proved Colin’s point.
You can’t even criticize Jordan as an owner without fanboys whining about “LeBron”.
If you’re gonna crucify Draymond for punching a teammate then crucify Jordan.
@@JohnDoe-xm8wi Jordan punched Kerr after Kerr punched him. I know people don't tell that part. And no one calls Jordan a great owner so that's false.
@@jamesmuhoozi5812 The same way LeBron fans try to prove he's the GOAT over Jordan. This isn't a Jordan thing this is what some fans do. Duncan vs Kobe, Wilt vs Russell, Magic vs Bird, Messi vs Ronaldo etc. You can do this with musicians and actors as well.
Hes leaving out that Nike was nothing until Michael Jordan...
exactly! the fact that Jordan signed with Nike was a small miracle for a brand that mostly sold track shoes back then.
"Understand how powerful commercials are..." Okay, so why doesn't EVERY COMPANY and EVERY ATHLETE have anything remotely close to the Jordan brand? Is it because they somehow don't want to make more money? LOL... NO. It's because the brand is MJ. You can do any marketing campaign you want, but there's a REASON why Jordan's legacy is what it is. He was THAT GOOD. GOAT.
IKR EVEN LeBUM NOT EVEN CLOSE🤦♂
Exactly, there are brands with better commercials than the Jordan brand but they still can’t compare because like you said, MJ is the real deal. He is that damn good.
Phil: "Michael, do you want to be a champion or win scoring titles?"
MJ's response: wins 6 rings and 6 more scoring titles. xD
and as aligned with what Colin has said... none without Pippen
@@ramnuj6742 Why does everyone act like Pippin was some top draft pick that everybody wanted. He was lucky to even get drafted by the bulls. MJ took him under his wing and helped make him the great teammate he be came. And what had Phil Jackson won prior to coming to Chicago? Nothing
@@ramnuj6742 - Pippen or Phil.
@@ramnuj6742 how many did lebron win without wade Bosh kyrie k love n ad
@@ramnuj6742 1982 NCAA title with game winner at age 18 when pippen was still equipment manager bagging bench players at local high schoo. Take that hater!.
'I’ve missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I’ve lost almost 300 games. Twenty-six times I’ve been trusted to take the game-winning shot and missed. I’ve failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.’ - Michael Jordan
COMPARE THAT TO LeBUM WHAT DO YOU GET??????🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
6-0! Stop
The only reason Colin Cowherd is criticizing Jordan is to get clicks. Colin is a football guy. He knows little about basketball. He crowned the Lakers as the next dynasty when they acquired AD to team up with LeBron. What happened? Colin changes his tune faster than the wind. Always shifting 180 degrees, hoping we don’t pay attention.
Lol you see how defensive you got when he criticized MJ? 😭😭😭
Why must they bring Jordan down to lift that Akron bum up?
He was criticized extremely in his day..his winning diminished the criticism and Magic played with hall of famers immediately and the greatest marketing campaign was built on MJ’s ability in the court and Kerr hit MJ first so you’re just lying 😂
Colin is really fake news. He just tried to sell us his whack narrative. He gotta do better than that.
No he wasn’t
@@abzda1700 you’re wrong as fk beat it liar I was there in Chicago..they used to kill MJ in the media cuz of fan boys like you
Loool Colin crazy, MJ was criticized heavily in the 80s for being selfish, saying you would never win a title with a player like him, at the time when the league was dominated by Big men, they said how the hell is this 6'6 shooting guard going to win anything? He literally proved everyone wrong
Trust me Colin old ass remembers that very well but these guys are on Lebron dick heavy and tryna start a narrative
LeBron proved everybody wrong as well
@@kennytheking418 LeBron choked in the NBA Finals multiple times.I don't ever recall Jordan losing a series in the NBA Finals
I don't remember anyone saying that Jordan was a great owner
i would certainly hope not
I have and usually are that kind of people that will defend him to no end
If you wanna see stupid MJ takes just go to any LBJ video on YT. I had a guy tell me that MJ could shut down Shaq Prime in the post.
@@Chaoskaebro don’t even reply to shit like that 💀
Cause he ain't he knows that now
LeBron hasnt smashed every single MJ record. MJ is the only 10x scoring champ, 1 of only 2 players with 2 3-peats, highest ppg in NBA history (in the regular season, playoffs and finals). The only person to win DPOY, MVP and scoring title in 1 season, most finals MVP's, most combined total MVP's, highest P.E.R in NBA history etc etc. Lebron has broken a lot of all time records due to longetivity. But MJ didn't hold those records in the first place. He retired twice.
Lebron broke mj point record will less shots and less games
@@abzda1700 if Lebron has a lower PPG how did he surpass MJ's point total in less games?
@Evan i agree!
@@abzda1700 Jordan got his 32,292 career points in 1,072 games. It took James 1,190 games to pass him
MJ IS THE GREATEST EVER‼️‼️
Greatest plumber
@@jamesmuhoozi5812 Better than being Greatest colluder and bubble ring winner.
None of the marketing matters if the guy wasn’t dominant, and winning championship after championship. MJ deserves the majority of the credit. He had help along the way, as everyone does, but without his abilities on the court, nothing else works.
Straight Facts!
Great take
He was never superteam nor did he want to. He made Scottie an All Star, Dream Teamer, top 50, and hall of fame.
@@jacklane7489Scottie made himself. Scottie came in the league knowing how to play basketball.
I agree but having the best shoes ever made has also helped him stay relevant. you have people killing each other for those shoes and some have never watched him play. The shoes definitely helped him a lot
Dude has the thing man… people like colin n nick is that y’all don’t judge him against his peers, y’all judge him against perfection. Y’all say bs like “well lebron made more finals” when in the hell did not winning become a standard
LeBronze is also tied for the most finals games lost in a career with 33 finals games losses. Pathetic.
@@cotati76 come on man are you serious?😂😂😂
Bill Russell is the goat then followed by horry
😂😂😂😂
FACTS!!!!
He just did a whole bit criticizing MJ about how you can’t criticize MJ. What a clown.
Colin trended the whole weekend and said na let me clean this up 😂😂
That's because like JJ Reddick said, they created stupid narratives for clicks.
The fact that he’s still talked about says a lot
I mean so is wilt and Kareem 😂 like if your a top 10 player of all time your gonna be talked abt lol
@@roselelouch3038 just not labeled the goat lmao
@@sirhoopalot1125 oh well yeah if your the goat or debatable the goat you get talked abt more I think it helps that there’s a current player with the best argument against him but yeah like they probably be ppl talking abt Tom Brady 100 years from now lol.
@@roselelouch3038 No not really they only talk about them if someone is closing in on one of their records. This guy is just trying to fan a unnecessary fire 🔥
That fact says IT ALL!!
Their is no mythology. MJ just won chips at 6-0 in the finals while lebron lose chips and is 4-6 in the finals. There is the difference. They want MJ to not be the goat so bad and it’s getting ridiculous at this point.
Jordan never beat a team in the finals or playoff series more talented than his team he always had the better team. That's why he only had one playoff series win before Phil.He could almost never drag his team higher than the 8th seed meaning he would play Boston and get whupped. LeBron ran up against better teams than his team but would drag his team to finals .Jordan also never beat the Celtics or prime Lakers with Kareem. The league was weak when he was winning. Prime Scottie was better than most the other teams number 1 guys and he was the 2nd best wing in the league. Reggie Miller, Patrick Ewing, Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp, John Stockton, Clyde Drexler. Scottie could guard 1-4 at elite level and be your point guard and give u twenty a night.
@tron williams not necessarily accurate. They were always thought of as the best because they won. It's like Chiefs. We know there roster isn't most talented but we regard them as best Team because with Mahomes we always expect them to win
@@tronwilliams8781 MJ never lost when he was favored like LeCHOKE.
@@tronwilliams8781 the 2016 cavaliers were more talented than the 2016 warriors without Kevin Durant. The Cavaliers had two number one draft picks. The Warriors had zero top five draft picks on their team. Both teams have three future Hall of Famer’s …Grow a brain
@@tronwilliams8781 it’s plenty of greats who don’t have rings because of mj, we can’t say the same for Bron.
Draymond has a history of hurting people for no reason. Ball kicking, punching. Don't compare MJ to the erratic Draymond Greene
Mindful
As Steve Kerr if that matters.
Draymond never got his Dad killed.
Yet again, more excuses. Proving Colin's point.
@@CreativeBigL 🤨
@@tomsea6017 right?😂😂😂😂lmao they don’t even realize they’re making Colin’s entire point lmao. This is actually hilarious
Because he's the GOAT
"Michael had the power of Nike adverts and media shield narratives"
BUT NOT LEBRON???
You saying Nike hate LeBron??
MJ made Nike what it is today not the other way around.
Lebron has China
Nike have never ran a Lebron the goat advert they run them for mj all the time
Just look at the quality of trainer they produce for both of them
Mike didnt have youtube, Facebook, instagram and twitter. Imagine if
Lebron hasn't smashed every Jordan record. Jordan did more in a shorter amount of time. An entire hall of fame career stands between Jordan and Lebron - 2 championships, 2 finals MVPs, 9 scoring titles, 1 Defensive Player of the Year, 1 Regular season MVP.
This is such a clown take. MJ Has had bad games but NEVER had a bad series. MJ also HELPED develop scottie pippen. He constantly sacrificed his game to help his growing team get off and learn and picked up his scoring in the later half of the game when he was needed.
Yall keep forgetting that Scottie was a LOTTERY PICK coming in. He was drafted 5th overall and outplayed all the top picks the summer before the draft. Its crazy that the whole "MJ helped Scottie" has become apart of the narrative. We can thank the MJ hype machine for that I guess....
He was a high pick but if u watched his early yrs he was a non factor bruh So lottery pick don't mean jack,go ask kwame brown or Adam Morrison
@@sonnyallagonez5776 There's always a "but" regarding any MJ conversation......
@@iampioneer81 2 3peats and 6 Finals MVPS no ands,ifs or buts bout dat bruh
This idea that MJ "NEVER had a bad series" just isn't true. . .
His team just won those series regardless.
Colin you just criticized mike with this HOT TAKE. And now you’re going to find out
So how come people in the media bring up the following
Loss to the Celtics in the playoffs
Losses to the Pistons in the playoffs
MJ retiring…twice
His time with the Wizards as player
His with with the Wizards as GM
His ownership of the Bobcats (now Hornets)
But you say MJ is never criticised?
Nonsense Colin!!!!
NEVER EVER CRITICISED!!!
Well, for starters, MJ never criticized the president, law enforcement, wasn’t anti-white anything, pretended to read books, shall I continue?
Dean Smith at UNC did not win a title until MJ
Dean Smith had coached UNC to the Final Four seven times as of 1982, including the prior year. But after the '82 title led by James Worthy, Jordan couldn't get them to the Final Four as the team leader-- and only once to the round of 8 (lost in the first round the other year).
Also as of 1982, UNC had won the ACC tournament 9x, including the year before (1981). Then, with Jordan leading the team, they didn't win again the next two years.
Jordan is still not inducted into the National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame, now 16 years and over 200 players inducted, later.
@@phillipschuman4307 Dean Smith as UNC coach from 61 to 85 coached in an era were it was easier to win a championship 1 because you had less games to win and two all the good teams didn’t make it because only conference champions made it. Dean only has one championship in this era. Dean smith to win that one championship needed the talent of 3 players who would go on to be top 4 draft picks with two of them being NBA hall of famers. There is no question as to who needed who here.
won one without him as well so what is your point?
@@mr.christopher79 he won one with him and one after him the titles didn’t start until MJ got there
@@Jmay51 so what exactly are you trying to say because youre not really making a point other than a timeline of things
Michael JORDAN never said he was perfect. He also said that he need pippen and others to aid and help him on his journey regardless of what it was. But the way folks come after him make it seem as though he said otherwise. That's the part I don't under. Makes it seem as though many have their own personal issues with Michael and more than anything else.
Yep, real Jordan fans love his story even his failures as he was an example during his playing days of overcoming personal/team challenges on the way to success.
@Ray Donovn disagree, Colin is a Lebron Stan. He will literally say Anything to discredit Michael Jordan.
Idc about Lebron or Jordan but the nut jobs on both sides always try to shield there alternative motives,
@Ray Donovn trust me bro, watch ‘the herd’ clips from around 2016-17
Every clip is “how dare anyone win MVP, lebron should win it every year” and “steph won 73 games, lebron only won less because he doesn’t care about the regular season…. He should still win MVP tho”
And while u might say his opinion “changed” once you know these past takes and hear how he speaks about… Lebron Or Jordan in certain cases it’s pretty obvious, he’s still a Stan and still pushes little subliminal agenda!
Like when he said (a year ago or so) to Nick Wright that lebron is “clearly the better player, everyone knows that” but Blah Blah Blah about Jordan’s imagine!
I think what they mean is jordan never said he was perfect but his fans and other regular fans would be quick to critique lebron but when it comes to mj you can't touch him or people make him out to be perfect even tho he said it himself he ain't perfect same thing with youngboy hid fans are the problem not him
You right he never said he was perfect but y’all jordanites sure act like he was perfect lol
MJ has gotten A LOT of negative press, especially since the LeBron legacy project kicked in. Despite the revisionism pushed by Nick Wright, Shannon Sharpe, and other Klutch agents, Jordan's legacy holds up.
“Lebron legacy project” 😂😂😂😂Lmao mate I can’t stand either one of their stupid fan bases. The Jordan fans are weird and kind of 🌈 and the lebron James fans are delusional and kind of 🌈😂😂all of you sound ridiculous
Jordan is criticized. Being the greatest winner in NBA history kinda squelches a lot of crticism. Being the most graceful athlete to float through the air kinda does too.
He’s not the greatest winner and that’s why he’s being criticized.
The mythology has to stop.
He doesn’t have more Rings than Kareem or Russell.
He’s started his career with multiple losing seasons and he ended his career with multiple losing seasons.
The mythology has to stop.
He never beat a Dynasty.
0-2 Vs Birds Celtics
1-3 Vs Zekes Pistons
1-1 Vs Shaqs Magic
He was Fired by the Wizards for Losing and he’s selling his majority stake in the Hornets for Losing.
His post-Bulls failures are proof that Jerry Krause, Phil Jackson and Tex Winter deserve more credit for the Bulls success.
Colin really compared draymond green to Michael
Jordan. Sports media is trash now 😂😂😂
Fake lamestream news. Trump was right. All they do is lie to create a narrative. The narrative is supposed to be love LeRoid like Jordan. Not happening one is real the other is phony.
This man lies; Lebron has not “smashed” every Michael Jordan record. In 20 years, Lebron still has not achieved 6 rings and 6 finals mvp’s. In 20 years Lebron has not achieved 10 scoring titles, nor he has achieved 9 first team all defense, nor he has ever earned DPOTY, nor Lebron has earned 5 league mvp awards. At the very beginning of the video he lied, so his credibility was zero as far as anything else he had to say. The moment he presented a lie, he was done at that time.
Gottem😂
we are still waiting for a 3 peat lol
stop it… none of this has to do with 6-0 in the finals, and all of his clutch moments throughout his career…and the pre-Pippen stuff?… well obviously he isn’t gunna win a title by himself… no one can.
ever heard of giannis?? did it a couple years ago
@@tfonn1582 Giannis is my favorite player, but he did it with Holiday, who is the best defender of any guard in the league…and the best structured team in basketball.
Bottom line is MJ is the greatest to ever play the game. He played it at the highest level like Mahomes is playing football right now. Colin can attack Jordan all he wants but anyone who had seen him play, knows this is a bunch of garbage. Horrible takes. I expect this crap from Nick Wright or Rob Parker...guys with no credibility. But I expect better from Colin. This seems like a personal gripe because maybe Jordan wasn't nice to Colin. Grow up.
LeCHOKE is goat…. Winning don’t matter. Only girls wear rings anyway
There is no “greatest to ever play” I’m sick of people saying that. He was the best player of the 1990s without question. You can’t prove he’s the best player of every era/generation besides the ones he played in.
@@raymondsims7042 nobody has better stats than him when we look at averages and advanced stats. I know u Lebron fans are slow and wanna compare Lebron most point to MJ who played way less seasons lol.
@@bigazTV I’m not a lebron James “fan”🤷♂️actually not sure why you brought him or his stats up. I also didn’t say anyone had better stats that mj. So again not sure why you brought them up. I get it you want to suck mj off as much and as hard as you can, but there’s no need to here. I said “mj is one of the greatest basketball players to ever play, and the best player of the 90s” the “goat” thing to me is disrespectful to so many greats that whoever people are calling the “goat” never got to play against. That’s why I don’t like calling people the “goat”
@@raymondsims7042 literally nobody agrees with your statement that there's no goat. Only mentally weak people who are afraid to have an opinion think like this.
You guys forget that Steve Kerr said he hit MJ first ... you guys just can't get it right at all?
Advertising has little to nothing to do with Jordan’s hype. It’s the FACT he actually delivered - repeatedly, over & over. Even before winning he was delivering!!!
And I’ve never heard criticism of Kareem or Magic, or Bird!!! Maybe it’s also the era. Advertising has virtually nothing to do with it.
Im trying to understand the point in this video lol (sarcasm). MJ is critiqued as an Ahole a horrible owner, teammate and also flaming out in early play offs. The reason why he is mythical is because he gave us everything we wanted to see from a basketball player. He took Nike to another level and still remains the most influential sneaker ambassador of all time. MJ is the GOAT in all aspects as a basketball player. We cant say the same about the others you are caping for.
Exactly
This is literally what he’s speaking on. Becoming “mythical” allows people to start stretching the truth and believing bulshit. Like praising MJ for being loyal to Chicago, when the GM and Owners treated him and Scottie like shit. People speak as if MJ never had a failures. Do you know people actually believe that MJ never played in a game 7 in the post season… yet he’s lost in a game 7.
Only for the 80s & 90s there’s a new sheriff and has been for the past 20 years that’s two (2) decades the real Greatest Of All Time LeBron James aka King James The King Of The Court mic drop 🎤 ( oh and don’t bother responding liking or disliking) it’s a wrap!
@@Chaoskae who are these "people" and how is your point or anything else on this topic relevant?
@@mjsolom nobody likes Lebron besides his looney fanbase.
Colin swinging for fences with this take and missing like your drunk buddies at the wiffle ball game at the park
Yeah, he figured he double down and get him some views.
he is stupid,simple
He's not wrong though
@@princemjbp695 Thank you! He told the TRUTH! 2 people you can NEVER Criticize in Pro Sports. 1) Tom Brady and 2) Michael Jordan. FACTS!
OK Colin what records that aren't longevity based has LEBRON beaten MJ in?
Regular season MVP MJ 5 LEBRON 4
Finals mvp MJ 6 Lebron 4
DPOY MJ 1 LEBRON 0
All defensive Team MJ 9 LEBRON 6
Scoring Titles MJ 10 LEBRON 1
PER MJ
Scored 51 as a 40 year old Lebron not even 40 yet.
The list goes on MJ Did more in less time with fewer blemishes on his record. POOR FORM COLIN.
Michael has said that he failed many, many times, but that he never allowed failure to stop him from succeeding.
Colin, and Nick Wright have made it their mission to prop up LeBron as the GOAT. It’s not gonna happen. It will never happen. The fact that LeBron is thirsty for GOAT status and begs for GOAT recognition is just sad.
You're spot on. They can't prop LeBron over Jordan by just LeBron's accomplish & skills alone so they try to knock Jordan down... and it's not working.
This is such a bad take, Michael has been criticized for all of these things Colin mentioned. But we also have to remember he retired over 20 years ago. 25 years from now, many of Lebron's shortcomings and failures will not be remembered and we will remember him as one of the greatest and most accomplished players of all time. People are more negative in the present, but once all time greats retire they will be given their flowers. The Steve Kerr punch was a great example. Jordan WAS criticized for this back when it happened, maybe less so than Draymond because back then (On average) people we're far less soft and it was more common for teammates to get into physical altercations.
Michael jordan has not been criticized at the level lebron has stop the cap.
@@chris.t.389 1. Because there is far less to criticize when talking about Jordans career vs LeBrons.
2. Jordan was heavily criticized before he won a championship the same way lebron was, if not to a greater extent
@@akaDOOD no its because ppl act like jordan was a god and they pick and choose what they want to criticize a particular player on. Ppl are afraid to go against the grain. And jordan was not criticized nowhere near the extent that lebron and kobe was esp in the social media time where ppl can criticize a player at an instance and it go viral. Be honest and stop the cap
@@chris.t.389 Mike retired 20 years ago. When he played, people critiqued his every move. From his early struggles with the bulls, to his retirements, etc. After Kobe retired less and less people talked about his bad performances in the playoffs, or called him a ball hog. and when bron retires over time people will forget about the 2011 finals or the decision. Jordan was human and he had bad games and bad performances but out of any all time great he has the least blemishes on his resume which is why it feels in retrospect he isn’t criticized. But he definitely is criticized appropriately, and was criticized appropriately during his era.
@@akaDOOD im not that young i remember jordan playing i seen kobe whole career. They are not and were not criticized to the extent as lebron. Even nba players admit to that esp i A social media era where thing go viral everyone got a podcast, everyone making theyvown narratives and hottakes. This did not happen in the 80s and 90s. And they same things ppl criticize 1 player they let pass for another player esp when it comes to jordan
I find myself not being able to get through most of these videos anymore
I left at 30 seconds. Clowns don’t entertain me anymore
Me too!
Lol He's human. But on the court was different. Ask Larry Bird. 🤷🏽♂️
Smashed every Michael Jordan record? Wut? 🤡
So Lebron would be a myth without, Wade, bosh, Spoelstra, kyrie, love, AD? Magic would be a myth without Kareem, Worthy, Pat Riley? Steph would be a myth without Kerr, Klay, KD, and Dray? So basically let’s take away the additional components that makes great players as great as they are.. which one of these players still break through?
Magic? He didn't need Riley to win championships....Or Kareem or Worthy. He played through a 101 fever...Played center when Jabbar went down. Beat my Sixers. He was a rookie.
@@davejohn255 don't be dumb, it takes a team effort to win a championship. Magic had all the talent in the world surrounding him same with Bird etc.
Why do y’all try to make basketball a sport that it’s not? Y’all try so hard to make it seem like it’s a one man sport and it’s simply not.
@@dnice4145 you didn't understand the point.. players like magic and LeBron.. will be stellar whoever there with. LeBron carried a bunch of nobodies to the finals... Where he was swept but that's besides the point.
@@Trvllumanati is that what I’m doing or is that what’s Colin doing?
My god, this is the first time I have seen someone actually call it as it is. It is not just not buying this MJ stuff.
Call what exactly? Colin has stated a bunch of straw man arguments and outright lies in his comments. I have never seen anyone say he never missed a shot or that he is the sole reason the bulls won championships.
@@dnice4145 I HAVE!!😂😂😂😂😂I’ve literally heard things like “Mj has never been outplayed by another teams player before” just rubbish like that😂it’s insane
@@raymondsims7042 people just need to realize that the goat of a sport won’t always be in your generation or lifetime. I genuinely feel bad for people that weren’t old enough to have seen MJ play. When he retired he left a massive void that still hasn’t been filled. A lot less people watch the game now that they did in the 90’s. It’s just not close. MJ had a finals series that was watched by almost 40 million people. Less than 12 million people watched the last finals. The tv viewing and streaming numbers are awful.
@@cotati76 mj was incredible you’d be an idiot to deny his greatness on the basketball court. He’s clearly in the top 0.2 percent of basketball players ever. I don’t call ANYONE the “goat” in any sport though lad🤷♂️simply because it’s impossible to know. I also think it’s kind of disrespectful and dismissive of so many incredible basketball players that earned their right to be in that conversation. So yes Michael Jordan is by far the best player of the 1990s! That we know for sure. And of course he’s one of the best to ever touch a basketball. I just think people need to stop taking about a man as if he’s a cartoon superhero 😂😂that’s when the conversation gets really silly.
@@cotati76 exactly golden age of NBA basketball. I feel sorry for all those that missed it.
I thiink Colin was doing some sort of illicit substance when making his comments.
Michael never gave the at his end of career 32 year old Dirk a ring while primary guarded by Shawn Marion and teaming up with two other US gold medalist all at their prime under 30. 😂
not just gold medalists. teaming up with 2006 FMVP wade and Raptors franchise Bosh. He needed 2 marquie franchises in their peak prime to loose 2011 ring to 32 yrs old Dirk. and again losing 2014 finals to FMVP Kawhi with 32 yrs old Wade still in his prime.
Please understand, despite Lebron being with Bosh and Wade, he could not create a "breakfast" club like GOAT in chicago. This creates longevity til 34 yrs. Pippen back was done at 31 by 1997 just like wade knees in 2014. Its the GOATs "breakfast club" in his basement, that pushed pippens body til mid-30s (signed nice contract for $60 million) and wades faded hanging around with LBJ colluding rings.
He gave Hakeem a ring by quitting
@@j-short5431 after a “three peat” he retired. And then did another three peat again after. If that is quitting then the four ring and half of the time in shorten-season queen never even tried. Try harder. 😂
@@cudackedees3327 After his three peat, he still had less rings than Russel, Magic and Kareem. Same number as Bird. He hadn’t even surpassed his contemporaries.
Checkmate
@@j-short5431 a three peat that only been done since Russell. 😂 check what? Check your head? Magic knees down begging him come back and he did another three peat.
Yes check that! Better check it with that 2011 finals performance with two US gold medalist at their prime.
Steve kerr punched him first; to be fair.
Rewriting history? Show us all an article that says Kerr punched first.
@@rocketfighter8 Watch The last Dance, steve said it himself.
@@isaacmota2220 If Kerr punched first why did Jordan apologize to him and not the other way around? Show us the article.
@@rocketfighter8 Because Jordan has principle and was the leader.
@@isaacmota2220 Leaders don't go around punching teammates. They lead by example. Kerr is a better human being and has shown empathy and kindness. Jordan? Not so much.
Steph and Bron have the same amount of rings
Steph has less MVPs, less defensive first teams, less all nba teams, less finals mvp, less all stars. What are we talking about here? If we just going on rings then Robert Horry has 6, is he better than Steph or Lebron?
@@jeanjacques7874 you didn’t even need to explain why lebron James is better than steph mate💀call an idiot an idiot and keep moving
Same between MJ and LBJ, Lebron has less MVP, rings, Finals MVP, less defensive teams, less scoring titles...
@@pedroserrano4485 relax mate he also has more in a lot of categories than mj as well. That’s a more even debate. Steph isn’t even close to lebron James to be fair
@@pedroserrano4485 Who mentioned Jordan? I was talking about Steph and Lebron. You MJ D riders always have to mention the man’s name in everything.
I don’t think anyone says you can’t criticize MJ, THE PERSON. He’s not winning any humanitarian awards. People are just saying he was exactly as good as he was billed to be, not a marketing campaign
This dude literally chose the day that Michael sold his team to point out all his flaws. That’s the real problem with your take. You could’ve given this take anytime before that.
The take is bullshit so that makes it even worse
Lies lies lies
Did this guy just say that people 35 and under, never saw him play? Can this man do math? He should have said 25 and under.
I don't think any under 6 years old can really say they saw anyone play, Even starting 'see him play' at 10 years old seems a little exaggerated.
Someone who is now 25 could have 'seen him play' when they were under 1 year old (in 1998), and then again in '01 through '03, when they were 3 or 4 years old. Please. What Colin said makes a lot more sense than you, here.
There’s a term for people who knit pick, and are critical of athletes well after their careers ended: haters.
What a stupid comment
this is a total straw man argument. people criticize MJ all the time but there is very little to criticize. he had very few flaws in this game and he kept his nose clean for the most part. He has always been good to the fans, and he still gives quality interviews. he was tough and competitive (old school) but seems pretty down to earth.
RE: Green punching a teammate VS MJ. We live in a different society now and so some people think teammates punching each other is completely out of line.
There's a video of Draymond punching a teammate and not one of Michael Jordan. If Kobe punched a teammate, it wouldn't be a big deal. If Draymond and Dennis Rodman did, it would be a bigger deal because of their history.
Honestly what Kobe did to Smush Parker was worse than anything dray or MJ did
Yep. Also, back in those days you could spank the hell out of your kids and it was considered good parenting. Now you're likely to get arrested. Physical fights on the court were common. Times have changed drastically in 30-40 years.
Agreed. Collin's analogy missed the video aspect. Ray Rice had a 2-game suspension before the video came out. Seeing shit and hearing about shit evoke different responses, right or wrong
Agree with Colin on marketing campaign but that was good for our generation the last dance sealed it for current generation especially because it was aired during pandemic. That put MJ in the legendary category for my kids. They youtubed all his games afterwards
Every big time athlete is heavily marketed, very few besides maybe 5-6 across all sports meet and exceed the hype when we watch them at their biggest moments in sports. Jordan, Woods from 98-06, Gretzky, Ali etc are the rare exception.
These cowards and his clutch sports NEVER mention NCAA ring let along COUNT it.
Because LeTeamHopper skipped it. Kobe skipped it. cowardly because it was ultra competitive. sudden death NCAA games. and have to play in the system like MJ did at NCAA 4 corner offense.
MJ still won being the 2nd most important player on UNC line-up.
They hate that ring the most because it counts against LBJ, Kobe and particularly against narrative "what did MJ win without pippen"
These are the slimy cockroaches we are dealing with on ESPN and Clutch sports these days.
No wonder NBA is dying. nobody watches it. All-star game became a laughing joke too.
The last dance didn’t seal anything. People on lebrons side of this debate just use that so they don’t have to come up with anymore legitimate points for their case
Last dance was one of the best propaganda series of all time. They spent more time on pippens tantrum in 94 then they did Him bailing MJ’s ass out in game 6 of the 96 finals.
@@nickjones5495 makes sense lebron will have a propaganda series much better now that he has a template to emulate 🤣. You're right
He was the most dominant and popular player when people actually enjoyed basketball in the 90's. The sport has sucked the last 20 years and currently is almost unwatchable. The shoes were higher quality when Nike actually made good shoes. Most kids had his poster in their rooms as teenagers. Not just Jordan but the players had personality and loyalty to their teams and cities. It was like watching gladiators who left everything on the court and played defense. These teams score 120pts like nothing with no defense. Jordan has this status because he made people like to watch basketball unlike Lebron. Stop acting all confused because it's not confusing and beyond obvious.
The NBA is trash. I only tune in to watch the Finals and it's hard to watch. I can't even sit through a game.
Agreed, jacking up a ton of 3s (even the bigs do this) has broken the nba game. There almost zero half court offence where players can really show their skill set beyond shooting from range or scoring around the basket. Load management has also killed the nba popularity, if the players don't care enough to play every night what should people care to watch consistently.
Colin: LeBron smashed every Michael Jordan record.
Reality: LeBron passed Jordan on every longevity statistic. He's never surpassed his scoring titles, MVPs, DPOY, Championships, All defense selections and a few of others.
The reason Jordan is hard to criticize is because he was once in a lifetime player that once he started winning, he didn't stop. He played with one all star his entire career and dominated his era. He can be criticize for punching Kerr and being a jerk to his teammates.
In my opinion the reason Colin rides so hard for LeBron is the same reason Draymond Green does as well. Mutual financial interests.
The Jordan vs Lebron debate ended a long time ago. Klutch's propaganda network just won't let it go. They want to pretend longevity beats accolades. It doesn't. It never has. Ask Kareem.
The year Jordan left the Bulls they won 55 games and had 3 all stars
@@Drivenprogressive Having one good year means nothing. What was their record the year after before MJ returned? Also The Al Hortford hawks win 60 games during Lebron's heat years and we're not serious contenders. Also How many all star selections did Horace grant and BJ Armstrong make in total?
@Alex P they won 57 with Jordan and won 55 without Jordan and took the Knicks to 7 in the conference semis, how have LeBrons teams done when he left 🤔, stop acting like Jordan didn't have a great team and arguably the best coach to ever do it
@@Drivenprogressive you're focusing on one year with a reigning champions bulls team that developed chemistry playing together for years, they also added Ron Harper (20 ppg) and Toni Kukoc and had the same coach and same front office.
When LeBron Left Cleveland the first time, Mike Brown left, the front office was replaced and aside from Verajao and Gibson nobody else in that team had a prolonged time playing with each other. Not to mention all the new players that were signed.
The year after he left Miami they went from 54 wins to 37 wins. Chris Bosh also missed half the season and Wade missed 22. The following year they were 3rd in the east.
The year after he left Cleveland the 2nd time, they had a brand new team and Kevin love missed 60+ games.
Pick a better talking point.
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️this lebron James vs mj debate is never ending!!😞this is the worst debate in sports history!!! They didn’t even play at the same time. This is bloody stupid
Stay off sniffing glue Colin!
Terrible take. Mythology? More like FACT. 6x FMVP, 9x 1st team All Defense, 10x 1st team All NBA, DPOTY, 10x scoring champ, highest ever PPG, highest ever playoff PPG, 3x steals leader
Colin has been talking to Nick too much it seems
Why cause he doesn’t believe that Micheal Jordan poops gold and pee rainbows?
@@TrueAnakinSkywalker Facts! Crazy how this is the 1st comment. The power of Nike smh. LeBron is better than jordan period
Funny thing is, I buy his shoes not because of AJ ads, but because of what he was as a basketball player. Majority of AJ buyers have never seen him play, let alone his AJ ads
Straight Facts! I bought his shoes back in the days because he was a bad MF on the court!
Your making his point. How much people say he’s the goat that has never watched him play? Not highlights an actual game. A lot of people act like cows. Just follow the herd. Everyone has Jordans. “Oh I need those too” Jordan is the goat. I don’t watch basketball but “yeah Jordan Goat. 6-0” 😂
@@ME-vy1sf nah the people who havent seen him play are the younger generation and lean towards lebron
@@ME-vy1sf How many people say Jordan isn't the GOAT without seeing him play? It goes both ways. They probably go off his stats, highlights, accolades, clutchness, players endorsement and team success. How many people seen Russell and Wilt yet rank them top ten or five? This isn't a Jordan thing.
The backlash is because Colin's take was sloppy and sounded written by Klutch Sports (agenda to place LBJ above MJ e.g. Dray flip flopping on LBJ from calling him a bitch, then signing with Klutch and now saying LBJ is the face of the league lol).
At the very least be honest about how MJ was carving his own path with or without Pippen, with or without Jackson:
MJ's achievements pre 91' Championship: 1x MVP, 4x Scoring Titles, 1x DPOY, 1x ROTY, 2x Steals leader, 4x All NBA First Team, 3x All Defensive First Team, 6x All Star, 1x AMVP, 2x Slam Dunk Titles.
Pippen achievements pre 91' Championship: 1x All Star
1x All NBA 2nd Team
You can't just diminish MJ the way Colin did and expect it to slide into next week lol
People actually told me MJ never missed a shot when I was growing up thats hilarious 🤣
more like he rarely came up short when it counted the most.
The true definition of a GOAT.
His nike commercial clearly said, " I missed over 9000 FGs. I failed over and over and over again. Thats why I succeed"
It took Jordan 7 seasons to win his first division title. Even the "GOAT" needed great teammates to win championships.
That’s literally how team basketball works
@@Trvllumanati Not when you're supposed to be the GOAT.
He should’ve joined a super team with Ewing, Barkley and Zeke.
@@rocketfighter8 ok meat rider
@@Trvllumanati they make it seem as if it was just him
The power of Nike doesn’t work for LeBron? Or the thousand other Nike athletes? Seems like a flimsy argument. Myopic take. LeBron couldn’t make the playoffs before Larry Hughes…… see how dumb that sounds.
Who is you to criticize anybody
Facts, this whyteboy is talentless
Lebron smashed every Michael Jordan record? Really? The ignorance of the man is on another level. Try scoring titles, MVP's, championships, finals MVP's, defensive 1st teams, DPOY awards. Highest scoring avg of all time. Anyone else hear this?
Always count on Colin to come in with some wack capitalist philosopher's take
Fake capitalist fake journalist
Lebron shouldn't even be in the goat debate because he's been caught purchasing peds. But no one is allowed to mention that, and yet people talk about how you can't criticize Jordan. Smh.
why would nike talk shit about the man that made basically made them lol let use our brains for a second
Hey, I’m at a Motel 6 in Odessa, TX.... i got off my Southwest flight not far from here….I gave this young lady a ride about two miles out before I got here. She said she just needed a place to nap for a couple hours so I let her. I took a nap and when I woke up.... she and my wallet was gone!! I was just being nice, and I assure you I was not soliciting. I’ve can’t imagine paying for sex…. Noooo not me😶😶 You think I should call the cops? Someone help me…. PLEASE!!
Really he’s smashed ALL his records???? I don’t think so.
Colin consistently lies/misleads when giving his phony narratives. His arguments almost never stand up to scrutiny. He's just not that bright.
Only thing got smashed is his teams in the finals,by record margins hahahaha
@@sonnyallagonez5776 💀💀💀
@@sonnyallagonez5776 the jordashians are out in full force
@@MrBarborosa U must still be a puppy boi wid dat kinda tok bruh
Colin, In what ways has Lebron surpassed Jordan?
Remember when Lebron set the All Time scoring records in a playoff game? (Sorry, that was Jordan in 86)
Remember when Lebron won the scoring records, MVP and Defensive Player of the Year (Sorry that was Jordan in 88)
Remember when Lebron led his team to sweep the defending NBA Champions (Sorry ,that was Jordan over the Pistons)
Remember when Lebron set a record of 13 straight field goals in an NBA Finals (Sorry, that was Jordan in 1991)
Remember when Lebron set a record in steals over a Finals series (Sorry, that was Jordan in 1991)
Remember when Lebron set 3 point record in the Finals record (Sorry, that was Jordan in 1992)
Remember when Lebron set a record for points in a Half in the Finals (Sorry, that was Jordan in 1992)
Remember when Lebron set a scoring record in a Finals series (Sorry, that was Jordan in 1993)
Remember when Lebron led his team to a record 72-10 (Sorry, that was Jordan in 1996)
Remember when Lebron hit those game winners that won two Finals games(Sorry that was Jordan in 1997)
Remember when Lebron won that Finals series where he made the defensive play and game winning shot (Jordan 1998)
Remember how durable Lebron was that he never missed a single game during that three-peat (Jordan 1996-1998)
Isn't it amazing how Lebron was the most watched NBA player ever (check ratings for Jordan games)
Isn't it cute MJ wears Lebron's number? (who is chasing who?)
And I'm a Lebron fan. I've seen Lebron live a lot. I've seen MJ live. It's not close.
Saying Lebron has surpassed MJ doesn’t make it so.
I never watch the NBA….until M.J. Came along…….haven’t watched since he retired……he was exciting to watch😀
What do you get lying?
Richard
Did you enjoy watching Jordan get BOUNCED in the first round back to back?
So you're not a basketball fan, why are you here?
@@charleseleeiii Freedom!…..isn’t it wonderful 😎👍
I will say this about MJ. He did work his ass off. None can deny that. He was an excellent defensive player and a team defensive player.
Grew up in the 90s. MJ was legit mythology. People acted like he went 5 on 1 and scored 100 points a game.
Yeah you clowned yourself, LeBron didn't win squat until he went to the Heat...
MJ has the aura, mythology of perfection. By complaining, colin you are not going to change that😂
Who is he talking about?? Who says you can't criticize Mike?? We only say he's the best player we ever saw. The dude's just making up an argument 👎🏾
Jesus...Colin compared Jordan to Draymond Green...he also praised the hell out of Phil Jackson who we still don't know if he's actually a good coach because he had the greatest load of talent of any coach in NBA history.
Kobe and MJ never won without him
@@dparks2856 Phil with MJ: 6 rings. Phil without MJ: 4 finals losses 😂
@@kingtrawal
Huh? PJ got 5 rings without MJ
@@dparks2856 how many losses?
@@kingtrawal
He lost 2x in the finals. 11 and 2 in nba finals
Things GOAT was criticised already by pathetic Established Media.....
1. A scoring leader can never be NBA champion (despite media knowing "traveling cocaine circus" can never be Lakers or Celtics)
2. His gambling issue in 1993
3. His gambling caused his dad's death
4. He doesn't get political, ignores his own race.
GOATs dedication, loyalty, ultra hard work, singular vision towards victory or bust FAR FAR superceded his short comings. And his perfection of his craft spilled over to his brands particularly the jumpman, air jordan stuff. And in turn turned a garbage bulls franchise to NBA royalty not named Laker that ESPN still obsesses about. And fhats what really counts. case closed.
Damn Colin... You just can't stop yourself sometimes🤦♂️
He’s right tho y’all need to stop acting like he’s some god
He does it on purpose for clicks
@MO - AB not God but GOAT
@@dimitrythomas4158 it's getting old
Jordan fans hate LeBron with a passion. They absolutely hate it when the two are compared and have to justify it by praising Jordan and/or lessening LeBron. The same thing happens when the 2017 Warriors are compared to the 1990's Bulls teams. They can't accept that they are all great we will never know what would really happen if they played each other.
Lebron fanatics hate Jordan a man who retired 20 years and who the bulk of his career is 25 years in the past. Many Lebron fanatics weren't alive or are too young to have witnessed MJs career, yet they think they can rewrite history to make Jordan look bad retroactively. Lol.
Read the comments here about the two. Vast majority prove my point.
@@rocketfighter8oh we would know I saw Jason terry do it put that on steroids .
MJ turned a $180M investment into reportedly $1.7B ... any self-respecting and successful business owner will tell you that's a win; a Pretty damn big win.
This is such a weird weird take. Who is policing criticisms of Michael Jordan? Is the Nike advertising team of the 1980s really the real goat? We’re they already primed to launch the greatest most expansive advertising campaign of all time? And Jordan happened to be the lucky one they chose to be the face of it? I guess I was brainwashed into thinking Jordan’s 63pts v 5 HoFers and being called God by Larry bird then averaging 37ppg the next season had a lot to do with the popularity of the shoes. Should we stop giving him credit for being the face and the unanimous best player on the greatest team ever assembled? Should we also downplay his gold in 1984 with the all-collegiate team? Was Bobby Knight probly smoking crack when he called a college player the best basketball player he’s ever seen play after coaching him on that collegiate Olympic team? Is it really the “old heads” who saw MJ live who all agree Lebron is GOAT, but the younger generation won’t accept it bc of MJ’s UA-cam highlights? Is anybody even listening to me???? I was just about to tell ya who ate 40 bagged lunches…it’s that damn Sasquatch again…
LJ DIDN'T SMASH EVERY JORDAN RECORD CAP!!!!
Facts. When looking at Averages and advanced stats. Jordan beat Lebron is every category expect passing and one more. U can’t compare 13 years to 20 years. U have to check the abery and other advances stats
Jordan and kobe are the most inefficient players in the top 10 they will jack up 50 shots to score 60 points
This all facts, people will argue mj but haven’t seen an inkling of him play lol.
Learn the,definition of "facts" before making your dumb comments.
Exactly
People will claim Jordan isn't the GOAT without seeing him play, goes both ways. How many people have seen Wilt or Russell but have them top 10 or 5? How many people have seen Ali but have him as the GOAT? This isn't a Jordan thing
@@sideshowbobsaget8876 you’re right, but I personally go off what I’ve seen. I grew up in the 80’s/90’s so Magic is my personal Goat in the NBA, Tyson is my all time fav boxer, and Lawrence Taylor is my all time favorite NFL player. People have their opinions but it loses merit if you depend on UA-cam or call some one the goat that played their last game before you were even born. Not saying you are but that’s just my opinion.
@@Natureboy8383 Have you seen Russell play? Do you think he isn't top ten because you haven't seen him play? Everyone has different criteria for who they think is the GOAT. I understand what you're saying though. You have to have some kind of knowledge of these athletes, but imo most fans seem to be casuals when ranking players. How many have seen Doc but based off everything he did it safe to say he's top 20. We can't exclude the past.
There are other players in the NBA that won more titles than him, scored more than him, won more gold medals than him. But why is he called the GOAT? Because Jordan is just a media creation.
Good points but mj was absolutely phenomenal on the court though lad. It’s not all “media creation” but i do agree he shouldn’t be called the “goat” though
Guy says the mythology around Michael Jordan leaving out the fact that he said LeBron makes all his teammates better which is definitely a myth
Ok but he's better at making his teammates than Jordan was. I don't think that's even debatable. It's easier to play alongside Lebron than Jordan.
Bigots can rarely see their own bigotry...
He said "MJ takes care of them and they create a shield/myth"
But LeBron DOESN'T??
This ISN'T THAT??
@verlongrimes0971 yea right playing with Jordan pippen become 50 greatest was on the Dream team an hifer name the player lbj help improve they legacy to that extent?
@@jonoak
LeBron made Kyle Korver a great shooter
@@darrengordon-hill lol
Colin Cowherd is right, Jordan's the only guy that rocked a Hitler mustache and got away with it.😮
It’s just that so many have only seen his highlights or heard his lore. And not seem him play. He’s the greatest nba player to most. But there were a lot of 10-33 nights in the playoffs. A lot of first round playoff exits. He won 6 rings but played many more years than that. His lord is built on just those 6 years and the rest of his career is disregarded by the masses. His off court behavior would be shunned in this social media era.
With the bulls he played 11 full seasons an won 6 titles name another player in the modern NBA that accomplished more or equal to in that amount of time?only player that can be magic 5 in 13
@@jonoak we get it he was phenomenal and I will never bash mj he was one of the greatest ever without question. But some of the super fans talk about him like he’s an anime character 😂😂😂lmao mate “His will to win was just so much higher than anyone has ever seen” “if ya made eye contact with him, he would rip your soul out” “ he’d knock his grandma out to win a basketball game”😂😂rubbish like that is just silly
@raymondsims7042 just from watching for myself he was the closest thing in basketball terms I've ever seen with my own 2 eyes an I've been watching since 87
You the only one sitting behind a desk talking about players
Colin is speaking facts💯…This the Colin we’ve been waiting on🐐
This is why LeCHOKE is goat… winning don’t matter. Only girls wear rings anyway.
speaking like a true Klutch sport agent. LOL 🤣 🤡
Having the HIGHEST scoring avg in NBA History is not a myth. Having the HIGHEST playoff scoring avg in NBA History is not a myth. Winning 10 scoring titles is not a myth. Leading the league in steals 3 seasons isn't a myth. Having the HIGHEST P.E.R in nba history is not a myth. Stop it Colon. Imagine if this same type of so called " marketing campaign" was used for a player like say, Ben Simmons 🤔, it doesn't hit the same. Basketball was dominated by Addidas and Converse before Jordan. NIKE WAS NOTHING in the NBA before Jordan. Phil Jackson had ZERO series wins before Jordan. He wasn't even a head coach. And it was Tex Winters offensive system, not Phil Jackson 🙄. Colon, just stop it, man. You are to good of a reporter for this video. Or are you? You are just blatantly omitting FACTS! Jordan even gave the " LEGENDARY " Dean Smith his 1st title....so in reality, who made who? It seems to me that Jordan gave them all their 1st
Say what you want about mikes pettiness as a person but this still doesn’t deny the facts Tht Hes the 🐐 the new era of the NBA has been 🗑️ as far as people teaming up.MJ won it with what he had and eventually got from the Bulls. Mind you I never saw Mj play with the Bulls only for the Wizards. I respect Lebrons career but the MIA thing was a reason we saw the KD GS thing which really ruined basketball and if you don’t believe tht you don’t know basketball 💯
Why do you have a platform? I’m so confused…