The pen he's using is a rotring 600. A very popular German made pencil used by many, especially engineers. I use one myself. Love the attention to detail.
The reason why Gus is impressed is because the first engineer he brought over and "interviewed' was (despite being smart) full of $#!+ saying that he could get it done lickedy split with no problems. Gus appreciated Werner's honesty and his ability to foresee and acknowledge so many of the potential complications. He didn't just tell Gus what he thought Gus wanted to hear.
I don't think it was that. The first engineer was yes, so cocky that he just revealed his former illegal tunnel project to Mike. This meth lab project needed to be in complete secrecy and the first engineer just have loose lips.
@@syrolddamn I never noticed that, I always thought it was the first theory of not buying what he was selling. I still think they both had a factor, but gus was suspicious of him before that for not being honest, and knew it was a no-go once he revealed past crimes
I love the simple story that the candidate who was the most negative and paranoid was the one who got hired. Because he's not just a "Yes man", and he's aware of everything that COULD go wrong. No BS'ing.
Werner was the equivalent of Gale from Breaking Bad. Genuinely a nice person, very passionate and skilled at their craft but they didn't have any street smarts to realise what kind of people they were getting in bed with.
Only exception to this comparison is Gale knew much more about what he was getting involved with, he knew he was helping Gus make refined/high purity meth and testing meth samples of competitors. I don't think the show ever portrays Werner as knowing exactly who/what he is working for, as a lot of his behavior would make no sense if he had even the faintest idea.
@@Dunkelz Fair, but unless Werner was a complete dumbass there were already a lot of red flags. They brought him to the sight in a hood, the requirements were to build a lab in complete secrecy. Any person with a common sense would pick up that something is not right. So I think he knew the kind of work he was getting into, but just didn't know how bad it was going to get.
3:49 Does gus actually know german or did he just learn that one line. It would've been so funny if Werner responded in german aswell and gus wouldn't know what to say
Pretty sure he learned that one line as professional courtesy. Unless you deal with the French, trying your best at someone's native tongue is usually appreciated.
As a german, i can confirm that Gus pronunciation is crap. But Werners is normal, as well as some of his crew members, but not everyone of werners crew speaks german as their first language, you can hear that from the pronunciation
One thing I never understood about this scene was why Gus went to such lengths to keep the location of the worksite secret from the Germans only to tell Werner his real name. If Werner had survived and felt compelled to he could’ve easily done some research into Gus and found out he does most of his business dealings in Albuquerque, and Gus seems to own the laundry in his own name which wouldn’t be hard to find out if Werner wanted to. Just seemed out of character for a man that is exceedingly cautious to the point it is one of his defining character traits.
I think the point was that Gus had already made up his mind that this was his guy. All of the previous caution had been to avoid complications if he wasn't the guy, just like with the previous person. Once he was involved, Gus knew he could probably sus it out the location anyways, so he dropped the secrecy.
@jesusnthedaisychain well it was also trust being a bigger issue. Not only did Warren escape, but iirc he was talking about project at a bar. Even if you put a ball and chain until the project is finished so he can't escape again, you can't let him go afterwards.
According to Vince Gilligan, ultimately the project is given to German engineer Werner Ziegler after he conducts more thorough measurements of the facility and devises ways to support the existing structure and machinery working in complete secrecy underground, which the French engineer did not take into consideration and was willing to openly brag about his previous projects. Gus wanted someone meticulous, honest and pragmatic.
I never understood how this could happen! Werner is portrayed as highly intelligent, very honest, he loves his wife and his men, and he’s just an all around respectable engineer and person. Someone like this would have no shortage of work building for people and companies that will not hide you in a warehouse for months/years and will not threaten your life if you breach your agreement. So how in the hell could he ever voluntarily put himself in this situation? When it was Gale (similar to Werner in many ways), we get a brief explanation when he converses with Walter (“I’m a libertarian and if people are going to use meth anyway, it might as well be good”) but I don’t recall anything like that here. I’m sure this job paid enormously, but again, Werner probably has no shortage of opportunities, and he doesn’t strike me as someone who would be materially happier having tens of millions of dollars (euros) instead of only millions. So how does this scene make sense? Why would someone who has worked for and earned stability, love, respect, and comfort ever get in bed with people like Gus and Mike?
"I'm sure this job payed enormously" there you have it. Mike mentioned that with the money he'd make from this he'd never have to work again. 10 months for a retirement that early is a pretty damn good deal.
@ I guess you’re right, that the ability to retire quick is the closest thing to an explanation we get. Man, the retirony angle twists the tragedy knife even deeper. Thank God it’s fiction.
Weren't there mentions that his dad built the Sydney opera house? Perhaps he wanted his own magnum opus, or something in that vein. Along with the truckload of dough of course :)
I'm glad to see the "this is the moment X became Y" comments dying, but the "I hope a thing we know ends badly ends well" comments replacing them are even worse. you're all making the same jokes
I'm glad to see the "this is the moment X became Y" comments dying. I'm sure they'll go away soon and subsequent comment sections will henceforth be chiefly comprised of intelligent and productive discourse.
Hiding this from the public eye is one thing, but perhaps the most important party to obscure the project from is the Salamancas and other related groups. Starting in a new place would still be much more difficult to hide from them.
New washery would have people watching it as it gets built, and noticing the rather large space being excavated. Even if they just built the walls and roof first then excavated/constructed internally, people would be wondering why so much dirt is being removed from a mostly-completed washery.
@toddkes5890 it would have been easy to hide, they could also have built a tunnell leasing to the washery. This cave under an existing building is just fiction.
In order to build anything, you need plans, approvals, and inspections to verify that you're following the plans. Regularly. Routinely. And all of these would be filed away in government offices. Building even a 1-family home brings a lot of government oversight, and building a commercial building brings even more. Gus wanted something that wouldn't show up on any plans and have no record of it even existing. You'll never get that following normal procedures.
yeah and soon as they mentioned it to one engineer and then rejected him, i feel like they would have to kill him, otherwise word of the project would definitely spread
@@104ist They took precautions. They had Mike deal with the engineers without Gus. They took them blindfolded from a second location so they wouldn't know where the real location was
See this is one of the big differences between Walt and GUs, can you imagine if Walt was leading the meeting, he would *bitch, haggle, threaten Werner for not just saying yes. and bitch about the cost the entire time.
These people look very professional, although M. Werner warns many things can go wrong, i'm sure they will be able to cooperate in good intelligence to carry out this project and nothing wrong will happen.
Surely this is the beginning of a prosperous relationship that will build the most profitable pharmaceutical lab in the heart of ABQ, and surely won't be destroyed by a 50-year old disgruntled man with lung cancer!
I never understood why Gale's Meth wasn't good enough. There is not much difference between 96% and 99%. And of course the blue color is a complete myth. But whatever.
What are Gus connections to Germany ? Having grown-up in Chille and then moved to Mexico in the mid 80s and then finally he moved to the United States of America in 1994.
There’s a huge amount of Germany references / connections with Germany throughout Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. There’s a youtube channel called “Better Watch TV” that has a well researched and very interesting behind-the-scenes series where he breaks down every episode.
Chile historical historically has close ties to Germany. The Prussians trained their military back in the day and in Chile they still wear the picklehabe
Feels like it would have been easier to just build a second laundry that the cartel knew nothing about. Not like there wasn't enough room in New Mexico.
The problem is that Gus can't build a second Laundry without that information being public. Doesn't matter where you built it, if it is a laundry that cleans clothes. Then the laundry would become public information, the Cartel would know and would be suspicious of why Gus hid this from them. And if Gus tried to build it with public info, the contractors would be suspicious of all the dirt being excavated out of a hole in the floor that a laundry doesn't need and too many people would know.
@@mlgamings6110 wtf ? Why ? He is a super criminal and the boss of a drug and restaurant empire, you really think he cant build or buy property that has no link to him.
One thing I never got in the whole Zeigler arc. They go thru all this effort of bringing in engineers and workers without letting them see where they are. They live indoors in a warehouse with no outside view. They're not supposed to know what state they're in, let alone what city. But once they kill Zeigler, Fring's team drive the workers out to a secluded location before having the workers all drive themselves to the airport. You can't get to where you wanna be unless you know where you are, right? Was this maybe a change in the original plan that was made once Zeigler died, or was Fring always planning to let everyone drive themself to the airport despite all the prior geographic secrecy?
@@Skinhound They don't show it in this video. There is an earlier scene where the first engineer comes and gives a half-assed and overly optimistic assessment of what to expect from the project. After the guy is done talking Mike gets a phone call though we don't hear the caller's voice, Mike essentially says "OK", hangs up and tells the engineer he didn't get the job. Combined with this scene we can infer it was Gus on the other end, and that he's listening in from outside the room somehow. After hearing Werner's assessment he's satisfied to comes out to meet him face to face.
@@M3ntok also, the other engineer boasted about having constructed cartel tunnels going across the border. Gus wasn't gonna hire an engineer with loose lips
The pen he's using is a rotring 600. A very popular German made pencil used by many, especially engineers. I use one myself. Love the attention to detail.
Not as good as the rotting 700 but still has the same shape and form of 600.. nevertheless it can still do its duty….and write
Don’t try to undermine me btw I went to college btw..
@@derpderps2669 I didn't, i just really like pencils.
@ no worries..
@@derpderps2669 your college sucks
Hope Werner gets hefty amount of money and lives the rest of his life peacefully with his wife.
spoiler, he does!
He gets his money lives to a ripe old age of 87 and dies peacefully staring at a German night sky full of stars
He does
maybe visit a local hot spring, I heard the Albuquerque ones are lovely in the summer evenings
There was a tagline for the show Oz. Something like “make sure you watch your fave character this week - they may not make it to the next episode”
The reason why Gus is impressed is because the first engineer he brought over and "interviewed' was (despite being smart) full of $#!+ saying that he could get it done lickedy split with no problems. Gus appreciated Werner's honesty and his ability to foresee and acknowledge so many of the potential complications. He didn't just tell Gus what he thought Gus wanted to hear.
He told the truth not what they wanted to hear.
I don't think it was that. The first engineer was yes, so cocky that he just revealed his former illegal tunnel project to Mike. This meth lab project needed to be in complete secrecy and the first engineer just have loose lips.
@@syrolddamn I never noticed that, I always thought it was the first theory of not buying what he was selling. I still think they both had a factor, but gus was suspicious of him before that for not being honest, and knew it was a no-go once he revealed past crimes
Yes we know. Thank you for telling us about a moment from the TV show earlier. Great work you are doing.
Who was the first engineer? What scene is that clip in
What a nice start of a work relationship. Nothing can go wrong between such nice people.
I love the simple story that the candidate who was the most negative and paranoid was the one who got hired. Because he's not just a "Yes man", and he's aware of everything that COULD go wrong. No BS'ing.
The first guy acted like a car salesman. Ziegler acted like an engineer. And you're right: two very good character moments.
"Was für ne Scheiße...."
"Difficult!"
Yep, that's an accurate translation 😂
Yeah that's basically WTF in German.
@@lpr5269I'd say the most accurate translation for this situation would be
"what a clusterf*ck"😂
Haha it means
What a shit
Ich habe heute eine neue Phrase gelernt. (Und meine Gymnasische Deutsch ist fast tot.)
What an interesting video! Surely the comments will be original, each having their own sense of fresh and original humour.
This is the part where Gus becomes impressed
Bravo, Vince!
This is the exact moment the comment section became Heisenberg. Bravo, Vince!
Shinebox. Varsity athlete.
@@martyjohnstone8226 This is the moment Quasimodo predicted it...
I hope Werner knows who he is working for.
stop. helping.
What did you say?
Like he doesn't already know that?
So you're saying he's stupid?
Are you saying... I'm stupid?
One of the smartest men in the show. But also the dumbest for not follow Gus's orders.
Werner was the equivalent of Gale from Breaking Bad. Genuinely a nice person, very passionate and skilled at their craft but they didn't have any street smarts to realise what kind of people they were getting in bed with.
Only exception to this comparison is Gale knew much more about what he was getting involved with, he knew he was helping Gus make refined/high purity meth and testing meth samples of competitors. I don't think the show ever portrays Werner as knowing exactly who/what he is working for, as a lot of his behavior would make no sense if he had even the faintest idea.
@@Dunkelz Fair, but unless Werner was a complete dumbass there were already a lot of red flags. They brought him to the sight in a hood, the requirements were to build a lab in complete secrecy. Any person with a common sense would pick up that something is not right.
So I think he knew the kind of work he was getting into, but just didn't know how bad it was going to get.
Eh Werner was just being dumb always trying to run away lmao. Gale was not close to that dumb.
@@MrGigglios Yeah Gale was less dumb and more unlucky.
I’m so tired of people treating gale and Jessie and all the other weirdos like misunderstood people.
They are criminals end of story.
3:49 Does gus actually know german or did he just learn that one line. It would've been so funny if Werner responded in german aswell and gus wouldn't know what to say
He probably does but his german is as good as his spanish
"Fring" is a German name so there's a very good chance Gus descends from a German family and so he knows a bit of the language as a result.
Pretty sure he learned that one line as professional courtesy. Unless you deal with the French, trying your best at someone's native tongue is usually appreciated.
Remember the parent company for Pollos Hermanos is German, as is Gus’ friend from Chile, so it’s likely he’s confident if not fluent in German
As a german, i can confirm that Gus pronunciation is crap. But Werners is normal, as well as some of his crew members, but not everyone of werners crew speaks german as their first language, you can hear that from the pronunciation
One thing I never understood about this scene was why Gus went to such lengths to keep the location of the worksite secret from the Germans only to tell Werner his real name. If Werner had survived and felt compelled to he could’ve easily done some research into Gus and found out he does most of his business dealings in Albuquerque, and Gus seems to own the laundry in his own name which wouldn’t be hard to find out if Werner wanted to. Just seemed out of character for a man that is exceedingly cautious to the point it is one of his defining character traits.
I think the point was that Gus had already made up his mind that this was his guy. All of the previous caution had been to avoid complications if he wasn't the guy, just like with the previous person. Once he was involved, Gus knew he could probably sus it out the location anyways, so he dropped the secrecy.
@@uncleanexecution Yeah, but if that wasn't an issue, then Fring wouldn't have had Mike take care of Werner later on.
@jesusnthedaisychain well it was also trust being a bigger issue. Not only did Warren escape, but iirc he was talking about project at a bar. Even if you put a ball and chain until the project is finished so he can't escape again, you can't let him go afterwards.
He also wanted the worksite kept secret from the government, the Salamancas and the cartel.
Kind of ironic that Werner was warning about all the potential issues and difficulties. And it was him in the end who almost endangered it.
According to Vince Gilligan, ultimately the project is given to German engineer Werner Ziegler after he conducts more thorough measurements of the facility and devises ways to support the existing structure and machinery working in complete secrecy underground, which the French engineer did not take into consideration and was willing to openly brag about his previous projects. Gus wanted someone meticulous, honest and pragmatic.
You want a solid job done, hire an anxious pessimist. They think of everything ahead of time😊
The 10 minutes leading up to this were so good. Seeing how the other guy took his measurements and talked about the job compared to Werner.
I never understood how this could happen! Werner is portrayed as highly intelligent, very honest, he loves his wife and his men, and he’s just an all around respectable engineer and person. Someone like this would have no shortage of work building for people and companies that will not hide you in a warehouse for months/years and will not threaten your life if you breach your agreement. So how in the hell could he ever voluntarily put himself in this situation? When it was Gale (similar to Werner in many ways), we get a brief explanation when he converses with Walter (“I’m a libertarian and if people are going to use meth anyway, it might as well be good”) but I don’t recall anything like that here. I’m sure this job paid enormously, but again, Werner probably has no shortage of opportunities, and he doesn’t strike me as someone who would be materially happier having tens of millions of dollars (euros) instead of only millions. So how does this scene make sense? Why would someone who has worked for and earned stability, love, respect, and comfort ever get in bed with people like Gus and Mike?
Any European should remember that those who build secret things for the powerful don't live to tell of them.
Challenge and excitement. He is bored and probably naive about the criminal risks.
"I'm sure this job payed enormously" there you have it. Mike mentioned that with the money he'd make from this he'd never have to work again. 10 months for a retirement that early is a pretty damn good deal.
@ I guess you’re right, that the ability to retire quick is the closest thing to an explanation we get. Man, the retirony angle twists the tragedy knife even deeper. Thank God it’s fiction.
Weren't there mentions that his dad built the Sydney opera house? Perhaps he wanted his own magnum opus, or something in that vein. Along with the truckload of dough of course :)
I'm glad to see the "this is the moment X became Y" comments dying, but the "I hope a thing we know ends badly ends well" comments replacing them are even worse. you're all making the same jokes
This is the moment the "this is the moment" comments get replaced with "i hope a thing we know ends badly ends well" comments.
Generally, people are morons.
What an innocent and honest comment. I hope you get your heartfelt desire of seeing original comments on Breaking Bad clips
I'm glad to see the "this is the moment X became Y" comments dying. I'm sure they'll go away soon and subsequent comment sections will henceforth be chiefly comprised of intelligent and productive discourse.
This is a good comment. Surely the replies will be original and civilised.
Why did they have to build the lab under an exitsing building? They could have made a new washery instead.
It will probably mean more exposure.
Hiding this from the public eye is one thing, but perhaps the most important party to obscure the project from is the Salamancas and other related groups. Starting in a new place would still be much more difficult to hide from them.
New washery would have people watching it as it gets built, and noticing the rather large space being excavated. Even if they just built the walls and roof first then excavated/constructed internally, people would be wondering why so much dirt is being removed from a mostly-completed washery.
@toddkes5890 it would have been easy to hide, they could also have built a tunnell leasing to the washery. This cave under an existing building is just fiction.
In order to build anything, you need plans, approvals, and inspections to verify that you're following the plans. Regularly. Routinely. And all of these would be filed away in government offices. Building even a 1-family home brings a lot of government oversight, and building a commercial building brings even more. Gus wanted something that wouldn't show up on any plans and have no record of it even existing. You'll never get that following normal procedures.
Was anyone else shocked by how hot his wife was?
Carajos, I think you broke one of my ribs. 😂
How would the lab project have been advertised back then internationally as it was without drawing unwanted attention?
yeah and soon as they mentioned it to one engineer and then rejected him, i feel like they would have to kill him, otherwise word of the project would definitely spread
@@104ist They took precautions. They had Mike deal with the engineers without Gus. They took them blindfolded from a second location so they wouldn't know where the real location was
@104ist But how to advertise a project like this in the first place?
@@DansChan995I'm guessing Lydia and Gus found the engineers through Madrigal Electromotive/ one of it's subsidiaries.
See this is one of the big differences between Walt and GUs, can you imagine if Walt was leading the meeting, he would *bitch, haggle, threaten Werner for not just saying yes. and bitch about the cost the entire time.
This is truly true moment where finger became gus, Bravo Thomas !
These people look very professional, although M. Werner warns many things can go wrong, i'm sure they will be able to cooperate in good intelligence to carry out this project and nothing wrong will happen.
"Was für 'ne Scheiße! ...errrm: difficult." 🙂
I really like the cut of this Werner guy's gib.
Looks like a good work relationship is going to happen. Hope everything goes well with the project.
I imagine VW Audi engineers to be like this
Hope Werner is upto poilos standards….
Impressive. Gustavo's German is just as good as his spanish
So not good?
Surely this is the beginning of a prosperous relationship that will build the most profitable pharmaceutical lab in the heart of ABQ, and surely won't be destroyed by a 50-year old disgruntled man with lung cancer!
A lung cancer
I never understood why Gale's Meth wasn't good enough. There is not much difference between 96% and 99%. And of course the blue color is a complete myth. But whatever.
@@lpr5269 Well, maybe if there's much competition of 96% , but no one else is able to make 99% you get the whole (premium) market segment
Werner: Many many things could go wrong
Gus: That's my guy!
was für eine Scheiße - ähm difficult
xD I love the German part, it is not often, that they have native speaker and good dialog in german
And so his fate was sealed.
The Germans need their own mini story
They already had two pretty big plotlines in the 20th Century
@@dillon5155 NEIN NEIN NEIN!!!
What are Gus connections to Germany ?
Having grown-up in Chille and then moved to Mexico in the mid 80s and then finally he moved to the United States of America in 1994.
There’s a huge amount of Germany references / connections with Germany throughout Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. There’s a youtube channel called “Better Watch TV” that has a well researched and very interesting behind-the-scenes series where he breaks down every episode.
Basically Madrigal
@@DerelictCountryI would imagine Lydia had a big role in Werner’s hire as well
Chile historical historically has close ties to Germany. The Prussians trained their military back in the day and in Chile they still wear the picklehabe
I mean Fring is literally a German name. So there's a very good chance Gus comes from a German family.
The subtitles went Left at the end
Can any engineers explain what is on the pad at 0:19 in Layman's terms?
Feels like it would have been easier to just build a second laundry that the cartel knew nothing about. Not like there wasn't enough room in New Mexico.
The problem is that Gus can't build a second Laundry without that information being public.
Doesn't matter where you built it, if it is a laundry that cleans clothes. Then the laundry would become public information, the Cartel would know and would be suspicious of why Gus hid this from them.
And if Gus tried to build it with public info, the contractors would be suspicious of all the dirt being excavated out of a hole in the floor that a laundry doesn't need and too many people would know.
@@mlgamings6110 wtf ? Why ? He is a super criminal and the boss of a drug and restaurant empire, you really think he cant build or buy property that has no link to him.
Gus speaks german better than spanish by far.
Gus's german males me laugh 😂😂
mery chirtsmas
ok borko schmuck
missmass
patience and self-control are typically german virtues
Im hoping Werner doesnt miss his wife so badly that he overcomplicates this and finishes the job so he can get home to his beautiful wife. 😂
Tragic character.😥😥
He dies.
so does everyone in this scene
@@SeaguIISoup i think that might've been the joke.
One thing I never got in the whole Zeigler arc. They go thru all this effort of bringing in engineers and workers without letting them see where they are. They live indoors in a warehouse with no outside view. They're not supposed to know what state they're in, let alone what city.
But once they kill Zeigler, Fring's team drive the workers out to a secluded location before having the workers all drive themselves to the airport. You can't get to where you wanna be unless you know where you are, right? Was this maybe a change in the original plan that was made once Zeigler died, or was Fring always planning to let everyone drive themself to the airport despite all the prior geographic secrecy?
*Ziegler
I believe Gus always planned to kill Werner. Why else would he reveal his identity to him?
How much did they spend on buiding it?
Why Gus speak chinese at the end ? 😂
_Spoiler Alert_ 🚨 - turns out he wasn’t up to Pollos standards 😔
👍
we need a spinoff about werner and the german lads
Wonderful video! surely the comments will not be cringe, by uneducated twats, failed attempts at humor.
first comment pin me!!!!
I can tell Werner is *NOT* German because he isn't speaking arabic 🤠
Gus literally walks in the last 5 seconds having no exposure at all to be impressed
He was listening the whole time, whole place is bugged lol
@ Oh where did it show that in the video ?
@@Skinhound They don't show it in this video.
There is an earlier scene where the first engineer comes and gives a half-assed and overly optimistic assessment of what to expect from the project. After the guy is done talking Mike gets a phone call though we don't hear the caller's voice, Mike essentially says "OK", hangs up and tells the engineer he didn't get the job. Combined with this scene we can infer it was Gus on the other end, and that he's listening in from outside the room somehow. After hearing Werner's assessment he's satisfied to comes out to meet him face to face.
@@M3ntok also, the other engineer boasted about having constructed cartel tunnels going across the border. Gus wasn't gonna hire an engineer with loose lips