Here’s my coverage from my weekend at NCM, sadly it ended early and not by my hands. Seems to be mostly cosmetic damage luckily but we will see how it unfolds.
Damn…that sucks. You took it well and kudos to you. I instruct and this is inexcusable. First, the instructor looked like a total amateur trying to catch the slide. Second, instructors need to be patient and find a way to instruct people without driving a student’s car. As an instructor for 10 years, I’ve only driven a student’s car twice. Once because he begged me all weekend. The other was at COTA and wasn’t sure if there was an issue with the car or if it was the driver. I drove extremely cautious both times. Didn’t enjoy it at all.
Seriously the comments giving a hard time about rev matching and such get a life keyboard warriors... this is the man's first track day. He is actually getting out there to learn and improve. Everyone starts somewhere. So sorry to see this happen to a fellow s2k owner. I really hope everything works out as this is NOT the norm of Gridlife. The people and the culture is so different than most other groups I've run with. As DJ said I hope to see this car and you back out at a future event!
100%. Props to going out and running it! Shit, i didn't know how to heel-toe for the longest time, even on track. Hope to see ya out there again soon Formula!
52 years in racing here. In car instructors are inherently dangerous. Ask any pro driver. And history proves it. And whether the group allows it or not. Not investing in Nomex is just ignunt
So sorry to see this! We were admiring your S2000 from our tent and then noticed the damage! What a crappy way for it to happen! Good luck getting it fixed and we hope to see you out at another event! 🤘🏼
Thanks guys! Yea you had the red civic hatch right? Don’t worry I’m already working on the plans to fix her up and upgrade in the process. I’ll be back out!!
I’m very sorry to hear that this happened to you and your car. As an instructor I can say that this is really not normal for any organization. Glad to see that this didn’t/hasn’t soured track days for you.
Tough turn at NCM no doubt. I hope the instructor learned his lesson about banging gators / curbs while instructing someone on his first track day. I hope you guys get this stuff situated and fixed. It was nice to see how you handled it on camera, your level of patience amazed me.
My dad is an Instructor at Porsche club east coast. This is the exact reason, he will do one slow lap in his students cars, to show them lines and thats it. He has a car, he pushes that because its his car and he can afford to fix it. He wont push other peoples cars.
Looks like you had the opportunity to learn a lot! Great job! You got your first love mark and you don't even have to feel the immeasurable guilt of doing it yourself! All joking aside, you seem to have handled the situation well. I think "prepare for the worst, hope for the best" really should be any track drivers mantra, even HPDE. I am sure your instructor just couldn't help but want to show you that last little thing you could have picked up and gained a bunch of time and feels absolutely awful. Get it fixed, get back on track, and continue to build pace at your own speed. Most importantly, have fun and be safe :)
From the looks of it, running over that rumble strip at that speed unsettled the car and made your s2k lose traction, along with the sudden change in angle and slight downward slope...Sorry to hear man! Hopefully everything goes smoothy with the repairs and whatnot... Nuthin but battle scars baby... you’ll be back in no time.
@@TheVCRoflcopter "generally" you hit that curb as hard as you want to. There is nothing wrong with jumping the curb at Deception, just not like this and I definitely don't hit it when it's not my car. See ~1:34 in this video ua-cam.com/video/DRg0dF5F7WI/v-deo.html
Bummer man, hope he covers the damages. That snap over steer can be tricky to deal with, especially on deception. No room for error. I would think open drift event practice would help with snap oversteer situations. I'd like to rip on the NCM skid pad a few times a year to develop those quick hands skills and throttle control.
S2000s are not forgiving or easy to catch. I lost one on a public road. Pulled out of a intersection and hit damp tram tracks the same time as the VTEC cam. It was backwards in a nanosecond. Completely impossible to catch it. It was past 90 degrees before I could even get a quarter turn of lock on.
That really sucks , I don't know why those "instructors" are even driving your car . They should be passengers and let you know where you can improve based on your driving not showing of trying to impress you in your own car. Specially if they are that good to crash students cars. Hopefully organize will pay for damages .
No fun to end a weekend like that! Bent metal does happen but it shouldn't like this. An instructors role is to give you guidance on how to be safe and understand the track day rules. A driver coach tells and shows you how to compete and drive fast. Im sure he had the best intentions but taking a students street car to the limit with a new to track student is definitely not the way. Sounds like he is manning up and hope to see you out again!
Thanks man! Yea we are trying to work it out, these things can get ugly but it’s not to that point so far. I’ll be back out! Be sure to subscribe to watch the transformation!
Nice build. Watched your other video. Sorry to hear about the track day mishap. In watching the guy instructing while driving your car he didn’t seem confident driving your car. Things happen. Glad your safe.
Hey I seen your post on FB, didn't realize it was your instructor that crashed the car. That really sucks man. Hopefully you get it fixed up and get back out there!
I once had an instructor that had 5 track days under his belt. I figured he must have been a prodigy or something, but it turns out some orgs just don't ask for much out of an instructor. Definitely something to be cautious about.
Are you sure these people know how to drive because his reaction time to the oversteer was terrible. Most people that drive hard is expecting it to kick out so when they counter steer its like a reflex this guy was still turning into the turn when it started to slide
@@TheVCRoflcopter super sad to see S take a beating like that :(. Its 3 instructors in total that drove your car right? In my opinion the 2nd guy was NOT good either. The guy with black helmet. Also the bloke who crashed your S, I think main problem asap I can see with him is his sitting position. Its strange with S but due to 50/50 weight distribution and short wheel base you can feel a lot of feedback from the car itself while taking corners, even under breaking you can feel the car rotate ever so slightly with you, thus its very important how far in/back you are to get that feedback from the car dialled-in for you as a driver. 2nd dude was correcting all the time as he was sliding a bit you can definitely see that around 5:54-5:58 mark. Also its super clear you can't flat out the apex the bloke crashed at, it literally catapulted the car, I can tell the right rear wheel lifted, lost all the tractions, the RPM spiked. I won't criticize his reactions times etc, cause no-one ever expects to crash.. but if something like that happens to you, the split second you feel/see the world turning upside down, you lift the throttle for a split second and your next split seconds should be, decision making process do I floor it back again to recover or to I hold off the power and let it recover(if recovery is even the case). I think had he lifted the throttle did sharp left and hit it again for power, he had potential chances of saving it from hitting the wall. Don't the instructors there have the the cars available to them to show you around the track and teach you the corners? I would be super worried letting anyone drive S or my car in general. It takes some time to learn any car just surprised these dudes do it like that .. Hope you get it fixed and enjoy many happy days with it!
@@WishPL Yeah, the S2K, MR2, and Rear Engine Porsche cars are not cars you let just anyone drive regardless of how skilled they are. You would have to own *and* have extensive racing experience with one of those snappy cars to be able to have the skills to handle snap over-steer and not crash.
Actually lifting the throttle is the worst thing he can do. The instructor's mistake was getting the throttle so abruptly while he was still turning and the car hadn't settled yet after that curb. Pretty poor driving from the instructor.@@shenqu1983
@@sdwella Makes me think the instructor really likes S2K's and just wanted an excuse to the enjoy the car a little too much. You can clearly see how hard he was driving the car. If I asked to drive someones car I would not be doing multiple over-steer corrections and hitting curbs regardless of my skill level because everyone's car is setup differently.
That guy shouldnt be an instructor That car is not set up well- looks very snap happy With that said, that was completely savable by a decent driver. Given his first response was "OMG! Full lock the wheel!," he probably isn't super experienced. I saw it coming a few turns earlier- and I have no business instructing anyone.
Sucks to see this. Instructor should not be driving your car at the limit like that in my opinion. He doesn't need to go 10/10. He definitely could've let off the throttle earlier as soon as he felt it slipping. He knew it too after the crash.
Lmao I knew exactly what happened before I watched the video. Every video when somebody snaps an S2k THEY IMMEDIATELY LET OFF THE GAS and you can’t do that, u gotta hit the gas and ride the slide cause it’s not gonna correct itself with sheer counter steer.
Gridlife doesn’t even do in car instruction so I’m not sure why this guy was even in the car let alone behind the wheel. S2000s are snappy as it is not to mention this one has way too much power for a beginner driver.
Yea it was my first time out and I wasn’t aware the instructors weren’t supposed to drive the cars. Also I’ve pulled the super heron the car and will be NA for a while until I learn this cars limitations. I’m also adding lots of safety equipment
Could it be possible that the guy was *not* an actual instructor and just made himself out to be one just because he really wanted to race in the S2K? Something seems off...
@@SI0AX being a certified instructor doesn’t mean someone’s a pro level driver. The guy made a mistake in an overpowered, incredibly twitchy car at a track where there’s no margin for error. No he shouldn’t have been behind the wheel. That has been established
Yea he was too heavy on mid corner throttle and stayed in it, I track my S and if someone is not familiar with s2000 snap oversteer and maintenance throttle through mid corner it will come out extremely quick. Tough lesson for your first track day, fix it no time and make them sit passenger from now on!
You handled it well my dude. I know how this shit can feel - literally had the same type of damage but worse on the passenger corner. You can just have a good shop do a bunch of pulling and primering, or you can have a quarter replaced (which is expensive and lengthy). It was a clean car, and it's shame for it to go that way, but if you commit to race car mode - it won't matter that it was crashed a time or two :) Very likely it would've died on track anyway.
Thanks man, yea I’m more and more sour about it as a watch more footage. It will need a quarter because where it hit warped the rear taillight assembly and quarter unfortunately
@@TheVCRoflcopter I promise you - it can be pulled out and primered with the right body guy, though won't look as good :) just keep that in mind if you have to pay out of pocket and need some cash saved. You'll be alright - it's just a piece of metal and nobody was hurt.
Outside of a few early apexes and some crabbing in i think you were doing well. #1 rule from my first instructor Danny sullivan in 1980 is Don't try to hard sometimes you need to slow down to go faster
Did you have track insurance? Some covers the instructor driving. Look into that if you did. What's the context of the first two people driving in the first ~5 mins?
I did not, but you bet I will going forward! The first 2 are a couple friends of mine that just took me out on the track a day early to see it since it was my first time.
Sometimes friendship needs to be redefined at the track. Especially when it's your car. The second driver in black helmet drive the fastest part of the track (backstretch by the tower) with only one hand on the wheel. If a buddy wants to drive your car, discuss with him first and unless he's willing to pay for damages to the car and the track, don't let him drive.
This is why I would never let someone else drive my car, even an instructor. If you wreck my car, I'll probably try and kill you, if I wreck it, I can only blame myself and I can handle that. lol
Because S2000 are snappy and now cheap enough for the newly wfh crowd to buy as first sports cars. In my opinion a peaky engine and a snappy chassis makes for a terrible first sports car. I6 z3 is a much better platform for a beginner.
I’d hope that the organizers gave you a break on track fees since you didn’t get any seat time through no fault of your own. It’s a shame that instructor was trying to barge that berm so hard in a vehicle that wasn’t his. At least he taught you how not to drive another person’s car. Good luck with him fixing it. Hope it all works out in the end.
Yea the dudes at GL were super nice and offered to move my credits to Mid-Ohio if I wanted in august if I want. Yea he really shouldn’t have driven it like that so I’m not sure what happened.
Beginner does amazing, instructor aka experienced messed up your car. Moral of the story don't judge a beginner on his first time on the track. Stay blessed.
Technically the instructor doesn't have to pay a penny. But if he's willing to pay it but say he refuses to after seeing the bill. You can take him to court and go from there. The instructor should know better to dial it down. Next time buy HPDE insurance, Lockton Motorsport HPDE Insurance or Hagerty HPDE Insurance. It covers both driver and instructor if somthing was to happen. Sucks it had to happen to such a awesome looking car.
Sorry to see this. On the plus side the car is for sure not a bring a trailer $5000000 example anymore, so you can send it without any regrets. I'd prefer starting with a track with no walls/barriers/objects to hit in the event of an off or spin. Even if that means driving far for a track day.
NASA specifically says instructors are not allowed to drive student's cars. Guess they have had some issues like this as well. Hope the instructor will compensate you for the damages.
Sub just to see if he does pay. Seen another youtuber with his s2k let his sub drive on the street and hit a motorcycle. My daddy always said of you loan your car you'll loan your women too. Best of luck to you✌🏽🙏🏽
At least now the tremendous driving skills of these supposed instructors are on full display for all to see. ignoring for now the lack of heal toe ,what's with all the down shifting? That's not a sequential. Brake, downshift to desired gear and go. Great to hear that you had a good time in spite off. My suggestion would be to go with another group that has some real instructors that can help instead of showcasing their supposed skills.
LOL @ the instructor! he should not be driving your car. he should be guiding you on the passenger seat. sorry for the accident bro. that hurts coming from a fellow s2k owner specially if its not your fault.
@@TheVCRoflcopter Okay, to practice without risk you can practice rolling onto the throttle when coming to a stop on the street. Light turns red, stab clutch, and just practice hitting your target with the throttle while you brake. You can also do it when stopped, just hold the brake and blip the throttle at a stop. Just program the muscle memory. Then once that feels boring and useless, start adding in the gear changes on the way to the stop. Once you nail that, start practicing it with skipping gears. For example, if you're deep into the brakes in fifth, wanting to end up in third you can delay the downshift and just target third. If you match it properly there's no extra strain on the synchronizes. -Ex driving instructor. Good luck. Your lines were decent, but you can tell you're not totally comfortable with the task or environment. My wife is at the same stage.
No shame in not rev-matching. You're out there learning, and that's what it's all about. It's such a damn shame that the instructor crashed your car. I just hope this doesn't sour you on track driving. You drove well within your limits, and it looks like you learned a lot. You seemed so excited to finally be out there. Keep us posted on the repairs. I'm going to sub so I can see your triumphant return!
Another way to practice rev-matching/heel and toe: drive down the road at a steady speed. Put the clutch in and blip the throttle. Select the next lower gear and let off the clutch. The goal is to rev the motor to where it will be in the lower gear. Ie: Say at 40 mph in 5th gear, you're at 2,000 RPM, and 3,000 in 4th. Rev the engine to 3,000 select 4th and let off the clutch. You'll know you did it right when the car doesn't shutter or buck when you let off the clutch. When you master that, you can move to heel and toe: which is the same thing, but you're braking and blipping the throttle at the same time.
well that's S2000 snap oversteer for you. That slide looked just about impossible to recover in my opinion. I have experienced this in my Fiero (with myself behind the wheel) and I had a crash that did some significant damage. It's fixed up now but not a good day by any means
So it was your 1st track day as stated. I'm trying to figure out why you were driving solo. You would be considered a novice being your 1st track day and I believe most track groups would require you to have an instructor. Can you explain why you didn't?
Dang this sucked, sorry man. Even thought it was 2 years ago, but lowkey you could have still drove for the weekend lol. I would have just taken the rear bumper off.
What kind of cost is involved? Could be a good thing. Sucks about the S2K scratch’s tho. Super sad. Agree wasn’t your “actual” ugly duck award. 1 car 2 drivers.
@@TheVCRoflcopter it's for valid reasons. unacceptable not to revmatch, especially at the track. you risk crashing your car again by losing control upsetting its suspension while downshifting by not doing so.
The crash was caused by the driving instructor(dressed in black). The guy with the fuzzy green jacked and white helmet is the owner of the vehicle and he was taking it very easy. The instructor is the one who got carried away but over-steering multiple times.
@@TheDwightMamba LMAO, I didn't read the *sticker* part! Yeah, it makes sense, you are totally right! The instructor saw that sticker and figured the owner was cool with "full sends"! XD
@@TheDwightMamba Never heard of Nelk. The article I read said that the slang term "full-send" was created by the brand which I find a bit strange, but the fact that they are Canadian and I've seen a Canadian car YT channel "Speed Academy" use the term "send it" etc, it makes sense and seems true.
Disconnect rear sway bar that will never happen again. Add more grip in the front and stiffen the rear suspension. Trust me makes you look good. Also join my Boosted s2000 group 👍
@@TheVCRoflcopter it messes up the balance - the car starts understeering quite a bit. You can get a front miata sway bar temporarily to make things softer, but tbh the AP2 is pretty well balanced out on its own. I would just learn how to feel/catch/hold oversteer to rotate the car well. I have an AP1 and have a miata sway bar to help with snap oversteer, but that's just an AP1 problem.
The instructor is stepping up and paying for repairs, was genuinely upset with is actions, yet there's a need to post this video twice and not getting hashed out over multiple forums, UA-cam, FaceBook??? Honestly, not sure who I feel more bad for at this point. Having this up really isn't necessary and is in bad taste given the circumstances. But hey, that's just me. Dave
Unfortunately, the term "instructor' is extremely loose in the hpde/track day world. Too often I see the blind leading the blind. If this guy is supposed to have been setting an example for you, he should not sending your car over kerbs, over a crest, on throttle. Just that short clip is enough to tell me he is operating way above what he is capable of. Sorry for your car getting shunted. Be extremely wary of anyone driving your car. If the person that is supposed to be instructing you cannot be talking the whole time and explaining what they are doing, they do not have the capacity to instruct and driving too quickly.
I know I'm late to this party, but what group allows you out solo on your first track day? And these instructors that you're riding with look like terrible drivers. You need to find a better org to ride with, just saying from experience. This looks like a bunch of hyped up wannabes out there - looks dangerous, and sure enough they wrecked your car..
I wasn't impressed with any of the 3 instructors. You don't take someone else's car and drive it like any of them did. And 2nd instructor placing his right hand on his leg - that's never taught at any PCA event. Who were the organizers? Was there classroom training too?
The instructor should not pay one dime it was a on track incident. If they want to help out of good faith that is between the 2 parties but people should be aware if a incident happens no one is obliged to pay anything.
Damn…that sucks. You took it well and kudos to you.
I instruct and this is inexcusable. First, the instructor looked like a total amateur trying to catch the slide. Second, instructors need to be patient and find a way to instruct people without driving a student’s car.
As an instructor for 10 years, I’ve only driven a student’s car twice. Once because he begged me all weekend. The other was at COTA and wasn’t sure if there was an issue with the car or if it was the driver. I drove extremely cautious both times. Didn’t enjoy it at all.
considering my first track day soon, how do i make sure to get a thoughtful instructor like yourself? lol
11:42 is what you're looking for.
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Seriously the comments giving a hard time about rev matching and such get a life keyboard warriors... this is the man's first track day. He is actually getting out there to learn and improve. Everyone starts somewhere. So sorry to see this happen to a fellow s2k owner. I really hope everything works out as this is NOT the norm of Gridlife. The people and the culture is so different than most other groups I've run with. As DJ said I hope to see this car and you back out at a future event!
100%. Props to going out and running it! Shit, i didn't know how to heel-toe for the longest time, even on track. Hope to see ya out there again soon Formula!
funny fucking thing It says #fullsend on the damage lmaoo
terrible tho its def gonna be a costly fix unlucky best of luck
Well now he knows what to start with. It ain't all that serious.
52 years in racing here. In car instructors are inherently dangerous. Ask any pro driver. And history proves it. And whether the group allows it or not. Not investing in Nomex is just ignunt
So sorry to see this! We were admiring your S2000 from our tent and then noticed the damage! What a crappy way for it to happen! Good luck getting it fixed and we hope to see you out at another event! 🤘🏼
Thanks guys! Yea you had the red civic hatch right? Don’t worry I’m already working on the plans to fix her up and upgrade in the process. I’ll be back out!!
@@TheVCRoflcopter yep! That’s us!
I’m very sorry to hear that this happened to you and your car. As an instructor I can say that this is really not normal for any organization. Glad to see that this didn’t/hasn’t soured track days for you.
Thanks man, yea it was unfortunate but it was made right and I’ve moved right along
Tough turn at NCM no doubt. I hope the instructor learned his lesson about banging gators / curbs while instructing someone on his first track day. I hope you guys get this stuff situated and fixed. It was nice to see how you handled it on camera, your level of patience amazed me.
I just know that getting upset accomplishes nothing, I am upset about the situation but your right I did stay cooler than most I’d say.
@@TheVCRoflcopter Revisiting the video. Did you guys end up working out a deal to fix the S2000? Do you still have the car?
My dad is an Instructor at Porsche club east coast. This is the exact reason, he will do one slow lap in his students cars, to show them lines and thats it. He has a car, he pushes that because its his car and he can afford to fix it. He wont push other peoples cars.
Dang this one hurt my feelings. I feel bad for you. You handled that way better than I could.
Hope you get this car back 100%
Thanks man, yea the car is fixed and better that ever now! Check out the most recent videos to see it all done!
Ouch! I'd be pissed out of my mind. Glad everyone was ok.
Sorry for the incident. Glad you had a blast on first track day and hope you go back and enjoy the fun
Sorry to see this man. Keep your head up champ.
Thanks man!
Looks like you had the opportunity to learn a lot! Great job! You got your first love mark and you don't even have to feel the immeasurable guilt of doing it yourself! All joking aside, you seem to have handled the situation well. I think "prepare for the worst, hope for the best" really should be any track drivers mantra, even HPDE. I am sure your instructor just couldn't help but want to show you that last little thing you could have picked up and gained a bunch of time and feels absolutely awful. Get it fixed, get back on track, and continue to build pace at your own speed. Most importantly, have fun and be safe :)
Absolutely awesome words brotha !! I will get her back on track soon enough!
@@TheVCRoflcopter GOOD! But if not... lemme know if you wanna sell that trailer 🤣it's nice!
From the looks of it, running over that rumble strip at that speed unsettled the car and made your s2k lose traction, along with the sudden change in angle and slight downward slope...Sorry to hear man! Hopefully everything goes smoothy with the repairs and whatnot... Nuthin but battle scars baby... you’ll be back in no time.
Yep it was not a good line and he should not have hit wot in my car anyway
@@TheVCRoflcopter "generally" you hit that curb as hard as you want to. There is nothing wrong with jumping the curb at Deception, just not like this and I definitely don't hit it when it's not my car.
See ~1:34 in this video ua-cam.com/video/DRg0dF5F7WI/v-deo.html
Bummer man, hope he covers the damages. That snap over steer can be tricky to deal with, especially on deception. No room for error. I would think open drift event practice would help with snap oversteer situations. I'd like to rip on the NCM skid pad a few times a year to develop those quick hands skills and throttle control.
S2000s are not forgiving or easy to catch. I lost one on a public road. Pulled out of a intersection and hit damp tram tracks the same time as the VTEC cam. It was backwards in a nanosecond. Completely impossible to catch it. It was past 90 degrees before I could even get a quarter turn of lock on.
@@richardhoulton4016 curious if nannies would catch it?
@@madmiata1887 They’d have to be quick
That really sucks , I don't know why those "instructors" are even driving your car . They should be passengers and let you know where you can improve based on your driving not showing of trying to impress you in your own car.
Specially if they are that good to crash students cars. Hopefully organize will pay for damages .
Man I know it, I had super bad luck with this situation for sure
I don't remember ever hearing about an organizer that did...
Hey man sorry this happened to you :(
Hope to see you back out on track soon.
I’ll be back out soon!
No fun to end a weekend like that! Bent metal does happen but it shouldn't like this. An instructors role is to give you guidance on how to be safe and understand the track day rules. A driver coach tells and shows you how to compete and drive fast. Im sure he had the best intentions but taking a students street car to the limit with a new to track student is definitely not the way. Sounds like he is manning up and hope to see you out again!
Thanks man! Yea we are trying to work it out, these things can get ugly but it’s not to that point so far. I’ll be back out! Be sure to subscribe to watch the transformation!
Nice build. Watched your other video. Sorry to hear about the track day mishap. In watching the guy instructing while driving your car he didn’t seem confident driving your car. Things happen. Glad your safe.
Thanks man
Better you then me! That's for sure.. Hopefully you can bring new life to the s2k. Hate to see another thrashed...:/
Hey I seen your post on FB, didn't realize it was your instructor that crashed the car. That really sucks man. Hopefully you get it fixed up and get back out there!
Thanks man, yea it’s a poop 💩 situation and I hope it works out as clean as possible. I’ll be back out there soon!!
Bummed for you, I hope you get back on the track.
I will! I plan on filming the whole process of fixing and upgrading the car as well.
I once had an instructor that had 5 track days under his belt. I figured he must have been a prodigy or something, but it turns out some orgs just don't ask for much out of an instructor. Definitely something to be cautious about.
Are you sure these people know how to drive because his reaction time to the oversteer was terrible. Most people that drive hard is expecting it to kick out so when they counter steer its like a reflex this guy was still turning into the turn when it started to slide
I honestly don’t know but he was an “instructor” so I’m new and didn’t know any better sadly 🤦🏻♂️
he also lifted the throttle too late
@@TheVCRoflcopter super sad to see S take a beating like that :(. Its 3 instructors in total that drove your car right? In my opinion the 2nd guy was NOT good either. The guy with black helmet. Also the bloke who crashed your S, I think main problem asap I can see with him is his sitting position. Its strange with S but due to 50/50 weight distribution and short wheel base you can feel a lot of feedback from the car itself while taking corners, even under breaking you can feel the car rotate ever so slightly with you, thus its very important how far in/back you are to get that feedback from the car dialled-in for you as a driver. 2nd dude was correcting all the time as he was sliding a bit you can definitely see that around 5:54-5:58 mark.
Also its super clear you can't flat out the apex the bloke crashed at, it literally catapulted the car, I can tell the right rear wheel lifted, lost all the tractions, the RPM spiked. I won't criticize his reactions times etc, cause no-one ever expects to crash.. but if something like that happens to you, the split second you feel/see the world turning upside down, you lift the throttle for a split second and your next split seconds should be, decision making process do I floor it back again to recover or to I hold off the power and let it recover(if recovery is even the case). I think had he lifted the throttle did sharp left and hit it again for power, he had potential chances of saving it from hitting the wall. Don't the instructors there have the the cars available to them to show you around the track and teach you the corners? I would be super worried letting anyone drive S or my car in general. It takes some time to learn any car just surprised these dudes do it like that ..
Hope you get it fixed and enjoy many happy days with it!
@@WishPL Yeah, the S2K, MR2, and Rear Engine Porsche cars are not cars you let just anyone drive regardless of how skilled they are. You would have to own *and* have extensive racing experience with one of those snappy cars to be able to have the skills to handle snap over-steer and not crash.
Actually lifting the throttle is the worst thing he can do. The instructor's mistake was getting the throttle so abruptly while he was still turning and the car hadn't settled yet after that curb. Pretty poor driving from the instructor.@@shenqu1983
I've instructed for Gridlife several times and I've never driven a student's car. It's not part of the program. Why was he driving your car?
Basically he asked to show me the lines in my car and that’s what happened
@@TheVCRoflcopter don't take that guy's advice
@@sdwella Makes me think the instructor really likes S2K's and just wanted an excuse to the enjoy the car a little too much. You can clearly see how hard he was driving the car. If I asked to drive someones car I would not be doing multiple over-steer corrections and hitting curbs regardless of my skill level because everyone's car is setup differently.
That guy shouldnt be an instructor
That car is not set up well- looks very snap happy
With that said, that was completely savable by a decent driver. Given his first response was "OMG! Full lock the wheel!," he probably isn't super experienced. I saw it coming a few turns earlier- and I have no business instructing anyone.
You saw it coming a few turns earlier? Was you there or something? It only shows the turn he crashed in.
This man was too calm
Fuckin sucks this happened! hopefully you'll get this bad girl back up and ready for more events!
I will for sure!!
I feel for you mate you look genuinely gutted
It might polish out
Sucks to see this. Instructor should not be driving your car at the limit like that in my opinion. He doesn't need to go 10/10. He definitely could've let off the throttle earlier as soon as he felt it slipping. He knew it too after the crash.
No, lifting off the throttle makes it much worse and only compounds the error the instructor made.
Lmao I knew exactly what happened before I watched the video. Every video when somebody snaps an S2k THEY IMMEDIATELY LET OFF THE GAS and you can’t do that, u gotta hit the gas and ride the slide cause it’s not gonna correct itself with sheer counter steer.
Yea I’m inexperienced and even I know not to lift mid corner in these cars lol 😂
Gridlife doesn’t even do in car instruction so I’m not sure why this guy was even in the car let alone behind the wheel. S2000s are snappy as it is not to mention this one has way too much power for a beginner driver.
Yea it was my first time out and I wasn’t aware the instructors weren’t supposed to drive the cars. Also I’ve pulled the super heron the car and will be NA for a while until I learn this cars limitations. I’m also adding lots of safety equipment
Could it be possible that the guy was *not* an actual instructor and just made himself out to be one just because he really wanted to race in the S2K? Something seems off...
@@SI0AX being a certified instructor doesn’t mean someone’s a pro level driver. The guy made a mistake in an overpowered, incredibly twitchy car at a track where there’s no margin for error. No he shouldn’t have been behind the wheel. That has been established
Yea he was too heavy on mid corner throttle and stayed in it, I track my S and if someone is not familiar with s2000 snap oversteer and maintenance throttle through mid corner it will come out extremely quick. Tough lesson for your first track day, fix it no time and make them sit passenger from now on!
Sorry man. Lucky it didnt seem to bad, and unless you really really trust and know someone dont let them drive your car!
Lesson learned 🙃
You handled it well my dude. I know how this shit can feel - literally had the same type of damage but worse on the passenger corner. You can just have a good shop do a bunch of pulling and primering, or you can have a quarter replaced (which is expensive and lengthy). It was a clean car, and it's shame for it to go that way, but if you commit to race car mode - it won't matter that it was crashed a time or two :) Very likely it would've died on track anyway.
Thanks man, yea I’m more and more sour about it as a watch more footage. It will need a quarter because where it hit warped the rear taillight assembly and quarter unfortunately
@@TheVCRoflcopter I promise you - it can be pulled out and primered with the right body guy, though won't look as good :) just keep that in mind if you have to pay out of pocket and need some cash saved. You'll be alright - it's just a piece of metal and nobody was hurt.
Build. Wreck. REBUILD. WRECK AGAIN! Sorry to hear man. Youll come back harder than before!
Plan on it!
I mean,good on you for staying so calm I guess....
Outside of a few early apexes and some crabbing in i think you were doing well. #1 rule from my first instructor Danny sullivan in 1980 is Don't try to hard sometimes you need to slow down to go faster
Did you have track insurance? Some covers the instructor driving. Look into that if you did. What's the context of the first two people driving in the first ~5 mins?
I did not, but you bet I will going forward!
The first 2 are a couple friends of mine that just took me out on the track a day early to see it since it was my first time.
Sometimes friendship needs to be redefined at the track. Especially when it's your car. The second driver in black helmet drive the fastest part of the track (backstretch by the tower) with only one hand on the wheel. If a buddy wants to drive your car, discuss with him first and unless he's willing to pay for damages to the car and the track, don't let him drive.
why does the instructor have to drive the car?
This is why I would never let someone else drive my car, even an instructor. If you wreck my car, I'll probably try and kill you, if I wreck it, I can only blame myself and I can handle that. lol
Sadly it’s a lesson I had to live through and learn first hand
@@TheVCRoflcopter We all learn a few lessons the hard way, just glad everybody was okay
How did I get to here?
I get such a kick out of seeing how the best drivers in the world are here in the comment section not in the video. 🤣🤣😂😂😂😂
Hey instructor, at least doing some proper rev-matching downshift would you....
Lol 😂
also is there a full clip of the lap before the crash?
I do have the full lap and I’ll be posting it soon, make sure to subscribe to see it!
Why do I keep getting Honda S2000 crashing videos in my recommendations?
Lol 😂 idk 🤷🏻♂️
Because S2000 are snappy and now cheap enough for the newly wfh crowd to buy as first sports cars. In my opinion a peaky engine and a snappy chassis makes for a terrible first sports car. I6 z3 is a much better platform for a beginner.
I’d hope that the organizers gave you a break on track fees since you didn’t get any seat time through no fault of your own. It’s a shame that instructor was trying to barge that berm so hard in a vehicle that wasn’t his. At least he taught you how not to drive another person’s car. Good luck with him fixing it. Hope it all works out in the end.
Yea the dudes at GL were super nice and offered to move my credits to Mid-Ohio if I wanted in august if I want. Yea he really shouldn’t have driven it like that so I’m not sure what happened.
wow that sucks. anyway, can happen to the best. an s2000 is not easy at the limit. keep it up!
btw....where did you get that shift knob? what is it?
Thanks man! Yea it’s a Renegade motor sports extended Titanium knob
I love it!
@@TheVCRoflcopter thanks man! love the teardrop shape. like the original nsx Type s/r knob. greetings from germany 👋
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How does that, will the instructor pay for the damages??
It’s on him, he’s said he will take care of it in full so we will see how it goes
@@TheVCRoflcopter That's rare. Usually it's just chalked up to the cost of playing the game. That's a solid guy.... if he follows through.
big lesson to be learned here.. you first gotta tell your instructor.. please take it easy. lol
If you need to tell your instructor this, they have no business being a HPDE instructor
Beginner does amazing, instructor aka experienced messed up your car. Moral of the story don't judge a beginner on his first time on the track. Stay blessed.
Who ended up paying for the damages?
Why is he not coaching you from the passenger seat?
Hopefully the instructor will get some more training for his job so this doesn't happen again.
Damn dude, you had to do that to a GPW S2k? Shoulda got a Suzuka or Silverstone to trash. You better hold that dude accountable
I know right lol it was the right car at the time. I’m hoping it all works out 🤞🏻
The instructor Kinda sounded like Jesse from F&F😂
Oh man i just realized that haha
Who needs a cabinet when the comment section holds so many tools
Lol 😂
The famous S2000 rebound & snap oversteer! You running stock suspension?
No I was running a set of Feal 441+ with swift spring upgrades
he got bit by the oversteer of the s2k, which is snappier than most cars, i daily drive mine so i know what its like to snap out on the rain at 90 lol
He intentionally pressed the throttle down at the apex to try and drift and impress you,
but it bit him hard.
He was already around the apex
Technically the instructor doesn't have to pay a penny. But if he's willing to pay it but say he refuses to after seeing the bill. You can take him to court and go from there. The instructor should know better to dial it down.
Next time buy HPDE insurance, Lockton Motorsport HPDE Insurance or Hagerty HPDE Insurance. It covers both driver and instructor if somthing was to happen.
Sucks it had to happen to such a awesome looking car.
Absolutely, he’s said he will take rare of it so we will see!
Sorry to see this. On the plus side the car is for sure not a bring a trailer $5000000 example anymore, so you can send it without any regrets. I'd prefer starting with a track with no walls/barriers/objects to hit in the event of an off or spin. Even if that means driving far for a track day.
Any track you go to just don't listen to your instructor. Talk with the corner workers and stewards theres a ton of experience there
Man that sucks. Did either of you have insurance?
Track insurance no
NASA specifically says instructors are not allowed to drive student's cars. Guess they have had some issues like this as well. Hope the instructor will compensate you for the damages.
He’s supposed to so we will see!
Sub just to see if he does pay. Seen another youtuber with his s2k let his sub drive on the street and hit a motorcycle.
My daddy always said of you loan your car you'll loan your women too. Best of luck to you✌🏽🙏🏽
At least now the tremendous driving skills of these supposed instructors are on full display for all to see. ignoring for now the lack of heal toe ,what's with all the down shifting? That's not a sequential. Brake, downshift to desired gear and go. Great to hear that you had a good time in spite off. My suggestion would be to go with another group that has some real instructors that can help instead of showcasing their supposed skills.
LOL @ the instructor! he should not be driving your car. he should be guiding you on the passenger seat. sorry for the accident bro. that hurts coming from a fellow s2k owner specially if its not your fault.
That panel is structual to the s2000
Yea it needs a rear quarter for sure, no frame damage at this point though
Jesus dude, rev match.
I’m new lol I have excuses haha 😂
@@TheVCRoflcopter Okay, to practice without risk you can practice rolling onto the throttle when coming to a stop on the street. Light turns red, stab clutch, and just practice hitting your target with the throttle while you brake. You can also do it when stopped, just hold the brake and blip the throttle at a stop. Just program the muscle memory.
Then once that feels boring and useless, start adding in the gear changes on the way to the stop. Once you nail that, start practicing it with skipping gears. For example, if you're deep into the brakes in fifth, wanting to end up in third you can delay the downshift and just target third. If you match it properly there's no extra strain on the synchronizes.
-Ex driving instructor.
Good luck. Your lines were decent, but you can tell you're not totally comfortable with the task or environment. My wife is at the same stage.
No shame in not rev-matching. You're out there learning, and that's what it's all about.
It's such a damn shame that the instructor crashed your car. I just hope this doesn't sour you on track driving.
You drove well within your limits, and it looks like you learned a lot. You seemed so excited to finally be out there.
Keep us posted on the repairs. I'm going to sub so I can see your triumphant return!
Another way to practice rev-matching/heel and toe: drive down the road at a steady speed. Put the clutch in and blip the throttle. Select the next lower gear and let off the clutch.
The goal is to rev the motor to where it will be in the lower gear. Ie: Say at 40 mph in 5th gear, you're at 2,000 RPM, and 3,000 in 4th. Rev the engine to 3,000 select 4th and let off the clutch. You'll know you did it right when the car doesn't shutter or buck when you let off the clutch.
When you master that, you can move to heel and toe: which is the same thing, but you're braking and blipping the throttle at the same time.
@@jsternberg I just realized I didn't make it clear that my practice suggestions were to be done under braking, thus assisting him into heel&toe.
well that's S2000 snap oversteer for you. That slide looked just about impossible to recover in my opinion. I have experienced this in my Fiero (with myself behind the wheel) and I had a crash that did some significant damage. It's fixed up now but not a good day by any means
Wait that’s an instructor what slow response to counter steer from an instructor
The damage looks like Forza 3 graphics
Ikr 😅
I mean, the helmet sticker is "Twerk Team Racing". You should have seen it coming... jokes aside, hope you get it fixed and back soon!
So it was your 1st track day as stated. I'm trying to figure out why you were driving solo. You would be considered a novice being your 1st track day and I believe most track groups would require you to have an instructor. Can you explain why you didn't?
Structural or cosmetic? You said both. It’ll buff out
Yea I know lol 😂
It appears to only be cosmetic at this point is what I meant to say. The rear quarter is iffy tho since it buckled on Impact
Don’t let instructor drive da boat
Fuck paying me.
Were throwing hands.
Lolol
Man that s2k was really tailgating you
Dang this sucked, sorry man.
Even thought it was 2 years ago, but lowkey you could have still drove for the weekend lol. I would have just taken the rear bumper off.
Ill never let anyone drive my car especially around a race track.
it will buff out
I dont why the instructor was pushing so hard while trying to teach a student
most of that looks cosmetic... tyre marks make it look worst than it is but if thats the case then keep racing!
lol seems like it's the trend of the year crashing other peoples s2000s
11:35 wreck
What kind of cost is involved? Could be a good thing. Sucks about the S2K scratch’s tho. Super sad. Agree wasn’t your “actual” ugly duck award. 1 car 2 drivers.
....the no rev match bothers me...
Seems to bother everyone 😂
@@TheVCRoflcopter it's for valid reasons. unacceptable not to revmatch, especially at the track. you risk crashing your car again by losing control upsetting its suspension while downshifting by not doing so.
It’s my first weekend out so I was honestly testing the car out and leading the track. It was a bit overwhelming but I’ll get better
So trust the guy with dirty on his helmet but don't trust the guy with a NOS sticker. 👍got it.
The first 2 guys are personal friends of mine that both have owned and tracked s2000’s for years and years.
Dont trust no one lol even the best can crash
Especially when it's a snap over-steer happy car like MR2 and rear engine cars.
Full Send sticker for your 1st track day.
I almost want to say you deserved this.
The crash was caused by the driving instructor(dressed in black). The guy with the fuzzy green jacked and white helmet is the owner of the vehicle and he was taking it very easy. The instructor is the one who got carried away but over-steering multiple times.
@@SI0AX , The Full Send sticker.
You won't be able to change my mind on this.
@@TheDwightMamba LMAO, I didn't read the *sticker* part! Yeah, it makes sense, you are totally right! The instructor saw that sticker and figured the owner was cool with "full sends"! XD
@@SI0AX , I really can't stand those Nelk dudes and codependent UA-camrs like them.
@@TheDwightMamba Never heard of Nelk. The article I read said that the slang term "full-send" was created by the brand which I find a bit strange, but the fact that they are Canadian and I've seen a Canadian car YT channel "Speed Academy" use the term "send it" etc, it makes sense and seems true.
Poor driving on both accounts.
He's new. The instructor.... yeah he has no excuse. The bad placement and over correction really compounded the issue. Big shame.
Yes first track day ever out so very new lol 😂
Yeah thats why you don't early apex genius
so who paid for this ?
The instructor is at fault
@@TheVCRoflcopter let’s hope he ends up paying
@@TheVCRoflcopter so he said he'd cover all damages 100% out of pocket?
Disconnect rear sway bar that will never happen again. Add more grip in the front and stiffen the rear suspension.
Trust me makes you look good.
Also join my Boosted s2000 group 👍
I’ve heard that as well. Do most people ditch the rear sway bar or just get a stiffer front one to offset it?
@@TheVCRoflcopter if you're not very good ditch it.
Way faster/ safer 😁
@@TheVCRoflcopter it messes up the balance - the car starts understeering quite a bit. You can get a front miata sway bar temporarily to make things softer, but tbh the AP2 is pretty well balanced out on its own. I would just learn how to feel/catch/hold oversteer to rotate the car well. I have an AP1 and have a miata sway bar to help with snap oversteer, but that's just an AP1 problem.
The instructor is stepping up and paying for repairs, was genuinely upset with is actions, yet there's a need to post this video twice and not getting hashed out over multiple forums, UA-cam, FaceBook??? Honestly, not sure who I feel more bad for at this point. Having this up really isn't necessary and is in bad taste given the circumstances. But hey, that's just me.
Dave
Unfortunately, the term "instructor' is extremely loose in the hpde/track day world. Too often I see the blind leading the blind. If this guy is supposed to have been setting an example for you, he should not sending your car over kerbs, over a crest, on throttle. Just that short clip is enough to tell me he is operating way above what he is capable of. Sorry for your car getting shunted. Be extremely wary of anyone driving your car. If the person that is supposed to be instructing you cannot be talking the whole time and explaining what they are doing, they do not have the capacity to instruct and driving too quickly.
I don't let anyone drive my car, I don't care if you're Lewis Hamilton, if its gonna crash, I'm gonna crash it.
Big fax
From now on lol 😂
I know I'm late to this party, but what group allows you out solo on your first track day? And these instructors that you're riding with look like terrible drivers. You need to find a better org to ride with, just saying from experience. This looks like a bunch of hyped up wannabes out there - looks dangerous, and sure enough they wrecked your car..
You just don’t lift 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
I wasn't impressed with any of the 3 instructors. You don't take someone else's car and drive it like any of them did. And 2nd instructor placing his right hand on his leg - that's never taught at any PCA event. Who were the organizers? Was there classroom training too?
The instructor should not pay one dime it was a on track incident. If they want to help out of good faith that is between the 2 parties but people should be aware if a incident happens no one is obliged to pay anything.