I’ve always found the stunned silence of that cop one of the funniest things in this very, very funny film. Plus the round of applause that Spock gets for neck pinching the punk.
Screenrant says “a real-life San Francisco police officer eyes him suspiciously…” unaware it’s a movie being made. It can’t be wrong, it’s on the internet!
The cultural crashes made this the funniest Star Trek movie by far. People from a highly advanced future would indeed feel lost and confused in the late 20'th century. Fact is most kids born in the 21'st century would feel lost in 1986. :)
+Wez Marauder Totally true! There are vids, here on UA-cam, featuring today's generation, trying to figure out how to use technology from the 70's and early 90's.... pure comedy! XD
I was born in 1986 and all most 32 years old, I feel more lost in to days culture and generation then my grand parents generation was during the 70s after WW2 and the attacks on pearl harbor because I am from a war time generation 9/11 and Iraq and Afghanistan because I second brother was in that war and all most got killed and most of it I am kind of old fashioned.
if I remember rightly, Nimoy was actually pissing himself with laughter behind the set whilst Koenig was saying "Nuclear Wessels" to everyone because if I recall, it was at the height of the cold war between Russia/Soviet Union and USA, hence why the people who walked by in the shot just looked at Koenig and walked away in disgust.
1986? No, Gorbachev was already in power and the fall of the Berlin wall was a little less than three years off. (Star Trek IV was a Christmas release, I think). The Cold War was definitely winding down at that point.
Joseph Dunphy -- Maybe. If it was released in 1986, chances are that it was shot in 1985, during, or only shortly after, Konstantin Chernenko's brief reign. Chernenko was a hard-liner. There was a little uncertainty in the beginning about whether Gorbachev was really a true reformer or just put up an act.
@@BooksandCaffeine True, in hindsight this all became clear but back in 1986 they didn't know whether Gorbachev was going to be overthrown and replaced by somebody wanting to turn the clock back. There were people in the former USSR who didn't like his reforms at all. Also, as far as the (ignorant) public was concerned it took them over 20 years to finally understand that there wasn't any Soviet Union anymore so they kept living in the Cold War some 20 years after it was over. I don't think your average movie going audience back in 1986 had the faintest clue about the world affairs.
@@Yngvarfo "There was a little uncertainty in the beginning about whether Gorbachev was really a true reformer or just put up an act." No, he was the real deal. The uncertainty was whether he'd maintain control or get deposed in some coup by fanatics in the military or some "old guard". There were political big shots who considered him a pushover and there was the attempted 1991 coup attempt which failed. In 1986 however there was no telling which way things would go and the public lived in Cold War paranoia for a good 20 years after the Cold War ended.
+Armesyd The woman who stopped to help just so happened to be an actress. She kept adding lines for more screentime and Nimoy (also the director) didn't like it and wanted to cut her scene out of the picture. She was a member of the actor's guild/union and threatened to sue if they didn't use her scene.
+Jaime Dacal That's completely false. Literally everything you said is wrong. She was an extra trying to earn money for the tow bill she got after she didn't see filming notices and they towed her car to shoot ST IV. There was no lawsuit of any kind, nor would she have had legal grounds to do so. Source: An article quoting the original StarTrek.com piece... www.cbr.com/movie-legends-revealed-the-accidental-star-trek-actress/ (the whole story is there).
I love how both Nichelle and Walter react with surprise once the lady starts talking -- luckily they stayed in character (despite their obvious surprise) and played along with it, and in the end it worked beautifully :)
The lore is, that woman was an extra who got a parking ticket and needed the extra pay for a speaking role to pay of her ticket subsequently they had to get her into the screen actors guild to keep the scene in the movie.
For those of you that might not get the humor in the "nuclear wessels" joke, keep in mind it was 1986 and we still had the cold war going on with the soviet union. Today in order to make the joke work, you would probably have to have an Arab guy in a pilot uniform in NY asking where the tallest building is.
well, nowerdays you pobably would get shot or arrested if you ask that
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Great idea. I'd love to see that, a Middle Eastern type guy ask for directions to the WTC. People would be freaking out. The director would be spending the rest of the day explaining it's a movie they're filming.
Funny enough, not an extra. She was a local who accidentally wandered into the scene but the interaction worked. They got her info so they could keep that cut.
@@MiglowThat’s Walter Koenig’s story which has been … embellished. She WAS an extra, not a local who wandered in, but the extras were instructed not to speak and she didn’t follow directions. They ended up liking the scene the way it worked and this ended up in the film.
@@Ericwvb2 She was both, a local AND an extra. They hired her to be an extra because she was in the area when they were filming. The extras were instructed to not talk, but she did anyway and they kept it in because it fit the scene.
@@DeusExAstra I would imagine nearly all extras are locals. I was an extra (and a local) in the film "Contagion" and the scene I was in was filmed at the now demolished Candlestick Park. The point (which I thought was obvious) was that she didn't just wander into the scene. She was an extra, but she didn't follow the directions, but they kept the scene as filmed.
Chekhov's scene here has lost some impact over time. 1986 the Soviet Union was still alive and strong and the single biggest threat to the US. The cop's absolute unwillingness to respond to Chekhov's question about nuclear vessels was hilarious.
The cop was actually a cop! He was there to protect the actors while they improvised with complete strangers on the sidewalk, in case anyone got out of hand. Their conversation with him was also improvised.
The tensions between the Soviet Union and America are _almost_ as intense as what we feel with Russia now (because pewton has a thing for the good ol' days) and China's significant prominence. We're not out of it juuuust yet, and this scene may remain more relevant than you thought.
The best part about this famous scene is that it was, for the most part, totally improvised. The police officer was there to control the crowds during filming and had no idea the two actors were going to approach him. Better still, the woman who actually stops to talk to them was a real pedestrian who had no idea they were filming because the cameras were across the street (on purpose), so her response to their question was genuine. In the end, it would appear Nimoy's gamble to have Nichols and Koening just go out there and "wing it" paid off in spades! :)
Nice story, but no. Everyone (including the cop) was hired as an extra for the film. However... they were *NOT* supposed to speak or respond to Chekov and Uhura. But the lady at the end decided to ad-lib her line and Nimoy & co. thought the scene was so funny that they decided to keep it in the film. They even had to induct the lady who spoke into the Screen Actors Guild as a result so they wouldn't get in trouble with the union.
Luficarius Ratspeed - That lady at the end sounded like she'd been dubbed.
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I never knew that. But you're correct. The only other person who could have had the same idea would have been the late Stanley Kubrick, IMO. Nimoy's decision was pure genius. Out of all the films, this one, IMO, was meant to be more of a family type film. It's also my favorite, with Generations.
Whats also nice about this movie as though it was modern times then now it really does feel like a time capsule piece really captures the mood and aesthetic of the times.
Going to Alameda. Take Line 20 (no longer running but in 1984 it ran on Columbus -- today you would take the 41) to Embarcadero Station. Take BART to 12th Street Oakland and then transfer to AC Transit Line 31. It would have taken Chekov and Uhura to the old Naval Base on Alameda.
I love the optics of seeing them walking around in San Francisco. Showing off the city in a beautiful way and also the juxtaposition of them in it. Star Trek is full of awesome visuals, but this one is one of the best, and the comedy is an added bonus.
Time travel missions get easier once you're past 2007 or so. Along with replicating you period clothing, the transporter can disguise your tricorder as a smartphone and your PADD as a tablet, and you'll look just like everyone else walking on the pavement.
Or could you? The mobile phone was inspired by the Star Trek communicator. In a universe with no Star Trek, mobile phones may have been developed a lot later. After all, by 2350 odd they still had flip phones and iPad mini equivalents.
Please. Join reality. If you're even serious to begin with. Listen, *nothing* in our world was inspired by Star Trek. Nothing. As soon as the technology existed for small enough portable phones to be built the impetus existed. That has everything to do with a market, people's needs, the technology available and progress - and absolutely nothing to do with Star Trek. Grow the heck up. OP better be kidding too.
Yeah in sci-fi but ironically even tho scientists constantly underestimate how long for this or that technology, sci-fi writers overestimate how long before we have a given tech.
My dad was an electronic technician in the Navy stationed at Alameda on the Enterprise in 83. He and some other guys from his shop were there that day and Walter and Nichelle came up behind them and Walter said "pardon me, can you tell me where to find the nuclear wessels." Of course they recognized them right away. I'm not sure if the crew was filming it or if Walter was just practicing. Later that night they heard someone asking for directions to somewhere else and when they turned around to answer they saw that it was Walter and Nichelle again
They had a scene which ended up on the cutting room floor where Sulu meets his great - grandfather ( great great great great, etc. ) as a child. This movie has special meaning to me. Personal reasons.....
When George Takei looks into the saloon window at 0:50, it was reported in an interview that a random woman inside flashed him during filming. That's why he's walking away smiling in this shot.
Fun fact, the extra that told them it's across the bay at 1:56 she wasn't meant to be in the film but the production crew impounded her car because of filming and she offered to be an extra to get her car back, the director said act naturally and she did. They even put her name in the film guild Hall in order for them to keep her lines in the film.
My mom is a Trekkie, so I saw this movie a few times as a kid. I didn't get this scene when I was watching it back then (I was too young when the USSR collapsed to remember it), but now? Hilarious.
Unfortunately for Chekov, the Cold War was still a few years away from ending. And even more unfortunately for everyone else, right after that, a group of supermen would simultaneously seize power in over 40 nations.
I always forget while watching this film that in the Trek universe the world was on the edge of a major crisis, and a major technological boom. It's also easy to forget that the Eugenics Wars were on during the events of VOY "Future's End (1 & 2)" and ENT "Carpenter Street."
You can briefly see both of them almost break character when the extra ad-libbed, but they recovered so well it created a perfect scene created by all three.
islandperson I know, but what good does the history of the Cold War do someone from the 23rd century? It would realistically (if it was real) be history probably within the past 100-200 years, space travel and such
***** Yeah, the space race n all. If you want my opinion it was just two nations wanting to make the other look bad lol. The Russians were the first into space The Americans were the first on a planetary surface other than earth
In the novel, the Asian couple arguing were Sulu's great-great-great grandparents. Also, the scene with Chekov and Uhura was completely ad-libbed with actual pedestrians and cop, not actors.
There was supposed to be a scene where Sulu met a little boy who turned out to be his great grandfather. Unfortunately the boy who was picked for the part wasted so much time messing around on set that the scene was never filmed.
In reality, this being close to the height of the Cold War, the cop would have been shocked by a Russian seeking out a military institution. He would have called his higher-ups, been given the order to detain Chekov and Uhurah, and there would have been an attempt to take them into custody.
It's true the lady that told them where it was was not meant to talk. She lived on the street where they was filming and her car was trapped so she went and asked if she could be an extra. She was meant to stay silent but gave that reply which the liked so much they decided to keep it in the movie. Apparently they had to sign her up to the writers guild or something because you need to be a member to have a speaking role in movies.
Just read that The women who answered was just a bystander who was walking by. Koeing made sure they got her info so they could use it in the film. Just searched the clip to see it.
This is something where Star Trek falls flat a lot. If they have extensive databases about so many cultures at different times, then it seems it would have been a good deal easier to, for instance, print more money (including exact change!), or enough to get a cab out to Alameda. And yeah, sending a Russian in to ask about nuclear wessels during the Cold War should be laughable not just to us, but to any student of history. I know they needed it to work that way in order for it to be funny, but since they are so conscientious about everything else...
In my opinion the best of all movis. IT was pure comedy and amazingly entertaining. Who needs Khan as villain when you can have the past as main villain.
I just assumed he had on his universal translator. I wonder if some of the humans in Starfleet speak primarily a language other than English like Swahili, German or K'iche (a Mayan language) but rely on the UT to function.
I read how the woman who directed Uhura and Checkov to go across the bay to Alameda wasn't supposed to actually say anything, but she ad libbed because she thought speaking would make her more money and she needed to pay a parking ticket or something. Mr. Nimoy liked it so much, he left it in (and paid her more money).
... I'm sorry, what? My apologies, I didn't hear a single thing that was said because I was too busy staring at DEFOREST KELLEY'S LEGS. OH MY LORD. LEGS FOR DAYS! P.S. Mr. Sulu looks great in that cape.
Star fleet academy is in Marin. Chekhov would have spent some time in the SF Bay Area at least during his academy days. Why would he not know where Alemeda Island is?
The thing is, they're probably *very* familiar with San Francisco in the 23rd century, since Starfleet Academy is located there. But, Alameda is no longer there, not even a memory. So what happened to it in the Trek timeline? It must have been completely destroyed in World War III.
Here is something I never really understood: Kirk and Spock are ordered off the bus because they don't have exact change and the bus drives away. In the next scene that shows them, they are on a bus (possibly the same bus). How did they get on the bus and how did they get exact change. From the back, it almost looked as if they were on the subway, instead of a bus.
+MichaelBrookham That is actually a good question, I always thought they had gone and bought something to eat or drink and got the change there. Also, it could have very much have been the same bus as you said.
A scene was written and attempted to be filmed where Sulu meets a young boy who turns out to be an ancestor of his. However, the child who was hired for the role was having trouble performing the scene, and it had to be scrapped. The film establishes that Sulu was born in San Francisco.
“They were all extras except for one,” Koenig said of the bystanders in the scene. “One young woman came by with her dog ... She wasn't supposed to get into the scene, but she walked into the scene, and she was one of the people that I saw, and I didn't know that she was not part of our group. So I asked her the question, and she started telling me where Alameda was, and they kept it. They kept it. I made sure. When they finally said, ‘Cut,’ the first thing I did was I went to the, I think it was the assistant director, and said, ‘Get her information. Make sure we have her so we can use this footage if indeed it works out in the film.’ And the hysterical irony is that she wasn't an actress. She ended up signing autographs at conventions!
Still not getting over how Chekov pronounces “vessels”. The Russian accent is upside down, he’d pronounce “wine” like “vine” but he’d never do it the other way around. Maybe it’s supposed to be over-correction since he keeps being told “w, not v” all the time… 😂
I read where there was a deleted scene where a lady yells out to a young "Hikaru Sulu", which was obviously an ancestor of Sulu's. I think that scene would have been good. Where they lady yells out to someone might be the scene, but we really don't know what she is saying.
Saw hilarious interview with Walter Koenig, who's very fun to watch , he was saying that even the Federation high tech computer could never predict when you go back to 1980s Earth you shouldn't have a Russian guy walking around San Francisco asking about nuclear devices 😅
"Yeah, there's a Russian Beatle here trying to find nuclear weasels." "The beetle speaks English?" "No, no; not the bug beetles. The rock band Beatles." "Well, does it have to be a radioactive weasel? Tell him we'll get him a weasel if he gives us tickets to wherever his cover band is playing." "10-4. I'll keep you posted."
In 1787, Hamilton argued before the New York General Assembly that a proposed Senate amendment to an act regulating elections violated both the state’s law-of-the-land clause and a recently passed statutory provision guaranteeing due process of law. The act disqualified the owners of British privateers of vessels of war that had attacked the “vessels, property or persons” of the United States....
It’s a shame no one ever bothered to pick up a loaf of sourdough bread, especially considering that the Klingon food packs were giving Scotty a sour stomach😂
I wonder if the production crew got in touch with the San Francisco police department just to ask what an officer would actually do in that situation, because this is hilariously accurate.
So Starfleet headquarters is set in San Francisco, but Chekov and Uhura don't know where Alameda is located? I guess Alameda doesn't exist in the 23rd century.
The United Federation of Muni does not have a route going to Sausalito. The only Muni route to Marin County is the 76 Marin Headlands Express and it does not run on Columbus Ave. Had this been a realistic, Kirk and Spock would have probably taken Golden Gate Route 10, 70, or 80 on Van Ness Ave or Blue and Gold Ferry from Pier 41. The Voyager crew didn't have time for the bus in the Episode "Future's End", Paris and Tuvok do not take LA public transit and steal a car instead.
Brilliant scene and brilliant expression by the cop. What's changed though? There are a few comments that this war at the height of the cold war. By all means try asking for directions to the nearest "nuclear wessel" base in a thick Russian or even an East European accent and see if you get a more favourable response. Maybe try asking what time their visiter centre opens.
I’ve always found the stunned silence of that cop one of the funniest things in this very, very funny film. Plus the round of applause that Spock gets for neck pinching the punk.
Screenrant says “a real-life San Francisco police officer eyes him suspiciously…” unaware it’s a movie being made.
It can’t be wrong, it’s on the internet!
He wasn’t stunned..A cop in SF in 1986 wasn’t stunned by much😂He just figured if he stood there they wouldn’t away👍
The cultural crashes made this the funniest Star Trek movie by far. People from a highly advanced future would indeed feel lost and confused in the late 20'th century.
Fact is most kids born in the 21'st century would feel lost in 1986. :)
+Wez Marauder Totally true! There are vids, here on UA-cam, featuring today's generation, trying to figure out how to use technology from the 70's and early 90's.... pure comedy! XD
If you want send me some. I know VHS and so on but everything before 1992 is totally new to me :D
I was born in 1986 and all most 32 years old, I feel more lost in to days culture and generation then my grand parents generation was during the 70s after WW2 and the attacks on pearl harbor because I am from a war time generation 9/11 and Iraq and Afghanistan because I second brother was in that war and all most got killed and most of it I am kind of old fashioned.
If you were born in at least 2000 you'd still probably get around if you were raised by 40 year old parents
Some of these jokes are lost, even today. "Yellow Pages? What the hell are those?"
if I remember rightly, Nimoy was actually pissing himself with laughter behind the set whilst Koenig was saying "Nuclear Wessels" to everyone because if I recall, it was at the height of the cold war between Russia/Soviet Union and USA, hence why the people who walked by in the shot just looked at Koenig and walked away in disgust.
The fact it was improvised, with a real cop and the last women not even knowing what's going on, doesn't hurt.
1986? No, Gorbachev was already in power and the fall of the Berlin wall was a little less than three years off. (Star Trek IV was a Christmas release, I think). The Cold War was definitely winding down at that point.
Joseph Dunphy -- Maybe. If it was released in 1986, chances are that it was shot in 1985, during, or only shortly after, Konstantin Chernenko's brief reign. Chernenko was a hard-liner. There was a little uncertainty in the beginning about whether Gorbachev was really a true reformer or just put up an act.
@@BooksandCaffeine True, in hindsight this all became clear but back in 1986 they didn't know whether Gorbachev was going to be overthrown and replaced by somebody wanting to turn the clock back. There were people in the former USSR who didn't like his reforms at all. Also, as far as the (ignorant) public was concerned it took them over 20 years to finally understand that there wasn't any Soviet Union anymore so they kept living in the Cold War some 20 years after it was over. I don't think your average movie going audience back in 1986 had the faintest clue about the world affairs.
@@Yngvarfo "There was a little uncertainty in the beginning about whether Gorbachev was really a true reformer or just put up an act." No, he was the real deal. The uncertainty was whether he'd maintain control or get deposed in some coup by fanatics in the military or some "old guard". There were political big shots who considered him a pushover and there was the attempted 1991 coup attempt which failed. In 1986 however there was no telling which way things would go and the public lived in Cold War paranoia for a good 20 years after the Cold War ended.
When I first saw this movie, I didn't understand why people were ignoring Chekov. Now that I'm older, I understand perfectly XD
Yup but they could have given him the directions come on
you must have raised in area where the cold war was non existent!?
Nowadays I'm pretty sure the police would be called about suspicious Russians. 😳😂
@@TheEDFLegacy meanwhile real Russian spies manage to live here for 10+ years
@@TheEDFLegacy how right
The woman with the long hair was not supposed to stop and talk to them. It was a mistake, but the actors pulled it off without ruining the scene.
I read that all the people they stopped to ask where just strangers passing by.
+Armesyd The woman who stopped to help just so happened to be an actress. She kept adding lines for more screentime and Nimoy (also the director) didn't like it and wanted to cut her scene out of the picture. She was a member of the actor's guild/union and threatened to sue if they didn't use her scene.
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+Jaime Dacal That's completely false. Literally everything you said is wrong. She was an extra trying to earn money for the tow bill she got after she didn't see filming notices and they towed her car to shoot ST IV. There was no lawsuit of any kind, nor would she have had legal grounds to do so. Source: An article quoting the original StarTrek.com piece... www.cbr.com/movie-legends-revealed-the-accidental-star-trek-actress/ (the whole story is there).
She was a hottie
I love how both Nichelle and Walter react with surprise once the lady starts talking -- luckily they stayed in character (despite their obvious surprise) and played along with it, and in the end it worked beautifully :)
The lore is, that woman was an extra who got a parking ticket and needed the extra pay for a speaking role to pay of her ticket subsequently they had to get her into the screen actors guild to keep the scene in the movie.
No, it was a genuine member of the public.
@@NeonVisual No, listen to the commentary on the dvd. She was one of the extras who broke the rules and replied to them. She got paid SAG as a result.
@@OpenMawProductions i stand corrected, said the man in the orthopaedic shoes.
@@NeonVisual😅 very funny
For those of you that might not get the humor in the "nuclear wessels" joke, keep in mind it was 1986 and we still had the cold war going on with the soviet union. Today in order to make the joke work, you would probably have to have an Arab guy in a pilot uniform in NY asking where the tallest building is.
+Amun Ra also apparently it was Nimoy's idea for Nichelle and Walter to stand there asking for Nuclear Wessels
The sad things is you have to explain that to people ....
Explaining those days is a good thing. I'd rather those times be ancient history.
well, nowerdays you pobably would get shot or arrested if you ask that
Great idea. I'd love to see that, a Middle Eastern type guy ask for directions to the WTC. People would be freaking out. The director would be spending the rest of the day explaining it's a movie they're filming.
Walter's ad lib to the extra's ad lib is classic, "That's what I said.... Alameda. I know that!" Makes me laugh every time.
Funny enough, not an extra. She was a local who accidentally wandered into the scene but the interaction worked. They got her info so they could keep that cut.
@@MiglowThat’s Walter Koenig’s story which has been … embellished. She WAS an extra, not a local who wandered in, but the extras were instructed not to speak and she didn’t follow directions. They ended up liking the scene the way it worked and this ended up in the film.
@@Ericwvb2 She was both, a local AND an extra. They hired her to be an extra because she was in the area when they were filming. The extras were instructed to not talk, but she did anyway and they kept it in because it fit the scene.
@@DeusExAstra I would imagine nearly all extras are locals. I was an extra (and a local) in the film "Contagion" and the scene I was in was filmed at the now demolished Candlestick Park. The point (which I thought was obvious) was that she didn't just wander into the scene. She was an extra, but she didn't follow the directions, but they kept the scene as filmed.
@@Ericwvb2 Yup, I agree.
Chekhov's scene here has lost some impact over time. 1986 the Soviet Union was still alive and strong and the single biggest threat to the US. The cop's absolute unwillingness to respond to Chekhov's question about nuclear vessels was hilarious.
@@markusnashorn1145 she was with Checkhov
I think it's still hilarious as long as you know that the Cold War was a thing. I died laughing when I saw this just a few years ago.
The cop was actually a cop! He was there to protect the actors while they improvised with complete strangers on the sidewalk, in case anyone got out of hand. Their conversation with him was also improvised.
Nuclear wessels*
The tensions between the Soviet Union and America are _almost_ as intense as what we feel with Russia now (because pewton has a thing for the good ol' days) and China's significant prominence. We're not out of it juuuust yet, and this scene may remain more relevant than you thought.
The best part about this famous scene is that it was, for the most part, totally improvised. The police officer was there to control the crowds during filming and had no idea the two actors were going to approach him. Better still, the woman who actually stops to talk to them was a real pedestrian who had no idea they were filming because the cameras were across the street (on purpose), so her response to their question was genuine. In the end, it would appear Nimoy's gamble to have Nichols and Koening just go out there and "wing it" paid off in spades! :)
But what about sound equipment? Booms? This wasn't dubbed.
Wow! I didn't know this! Cool.
Nice story, but no. Everyone (including the cop) was hired as an extra for the film. However... they were *NOT* supposed to speak or respond to Chekov and Uhura. But the lady at the end decided to ad-lib her line and Nimoy & co. thought the scene was so funny that they decided to keep it in the film. They even had to induct the lady who spoke into the Screen Actors Guild as a result so they wouldn't get in trouble with the union.
Luficarius Ratspeed - That lady at the end sounded like she'd been dubbed.
I never knew that. But you're correct. The only other person who could have had the same idea would have been the late Stanley Kubrick, IMO. Nimoy's decision was pure genius. Out of all the films, this one, IMO, was meant to be more of a family type film. It's also my favorite, with Generations.
Whats also nice about this movie as though it was modern times then now it really does feel like a time capsule piece really captures the mood and aesthetic of the times.
Star Trek IV: The Comedy.
Indiana Jones and the Comedy Crusade
Star Trek IV: The One With The Whales
Star Trek IV: The Comedy in the Time.
Star Trek IV: Free Willy
@@professionalnerd4055 They're not... the hell... your whales.
Going to Alameda. Take Line 20 (no longer running but in 1984 it ran on Columbus -- today you would take the 41) to Embarcadero Station. Take BART to 12th Street Oakland and then transfer to AC Transit Line 31. It would have taken Chekov and Uhura to the old Naval Base on Alameda.
Where the nuclear wessels are.
@Dickum N Lickum the V: Emperor Of UA-cam. they had $20 each. that would have been plenty for a bus ride, even today.
Or get in your Tesla and say, "Computer, take me to Alameda Naval Station."
@@a.hollins8691 Hello computer??
They hit every comic moment perfectly and there are many of them. Most original and entertaining of the Star Trek films.
I love the optics of seeing them walking around in San Francisco. Showing off the city in a beautiful way and also the juxtaposition of them in it. Star Trek is full of awesome visuals, but this one is one of the best, and the comedy is an added bonus.
Time travel missions get easier once you're past 2007 or so. Along with replicating you period clothing, the transporter can disguise your tricorder as a smartphone and your PADD as a tablet, and you'll look just like everyone else walking on the pavement.
Or could you? The mobile phone was inspired by the Star Trek communicator. In a universe with no Star Trek, mobile phones may have been developed a lot later. After all, by 2350 odd they still had flip phones and iPad mini equivalents.
Please. Join reality. If you're even serious to begin with. Listen, *nothing* in our world was inspired by Star Trek. Nothing. As soon as the technology existed for small enough portable phones to be built the impetus existed. That has everything to do with a market, people's needs, the technology available and progress - and absolutely nothing to do with Star Trek. Grow the heck up.
OP better be kidding too.
Aren't you a ray of sunshine.
Yeah in sci-fi but ironically even tho scientists constantly underestimate how long for this or that technology, sci-fi writers overestimate how long before we have a given tech.
@@jamesshunt5123 You must be fun at partys.
So funny having a Russian dude asking for nuclear Wessels lmao the end had me lmao “that’s what I said Alameda”
This clip left off her last line, "But where is Alameda?"
Soviet not Russian
My dad was an electronic technician in the Navy stationed at Alameda on the Enterprise in 83. He and some other guys from his shop were there that day and Walter and Nichelle came up behind them and Walter said "pardon me, can you tell me where to find the nuclear wessels."
Of course they recognized them right away. I'm not sure if the crew was filming it or if Walter was just practicing.
Later that night they heard someone asking for directions to somewhere else and when they turned around to answer they saw that it was Walter and Nichelle again
when was the movie made?.
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Boy... that would be something. Then he must have seen this film later and he got to see how the footage was used. I'm assuming your dad's a trekkie?
This was one of the best Star Trek movies in my opinion. The clever wit all through it was so great. 😅 And it was a real feel good movie too.
They had a scene which ended up on the cutting room floor where Sulu meets his great - grandfather ( great great great great, etc. ) as a child. This movie has special meaning to me. Personal reasons.....
"What does he mean 'Exact Change'?" Lol
Two people who had previously visited the 20th century TWICE before should know it.
@@rc1982 Did they ride on a bus during those visits?
No one would know what this means nowadays since buses only take card/smartphone.
When George Takei looks into the saloon window at 0:50, it was reported in an interview that a random woman inside flashed him during filming. That's why he's walking away smiling in this shot.
Oh my!
"I believe I shall begin by making use of this map."
Genius comic timing there.
brilliant
Fun fact, the extra that told them it's across the bay at 1:56 she wasn't meant to be in the film but the production crew impounded her car because of filming and she offered to be an extra to get her car back, the director said act naturally and she did. They even put her name in the film guild Hall in order for them to keep her lines in the film.
I don't think that's quite the case. She was already had an SGA card.
My mom is a Trekkie, so I saw this movie a few times as a kid. I didn't get this scene when I was watching it back then (I was too young when the USSR collapsed to remember it), but now? Hilarious.
Unfortunately for Chekov, the Cold War was still a few years away from ending. And even more unfortunately for everyone else, right after that, a group of supermen would simultaneously seize power in over 40 nations.
I always forget while watching this film that in the Trek universe the world was on the edge of a major crisis, and a major technological boom.
It's also easy to forget that the Eugenics Wars were on during the events of VOY "Future's End (1 & 2)" and ENT "Carpenter Street."
fortunately for him his french accents doesn't sound even remotely like russian or he would be in trouble
You can briefly see both of them almost break character when the extra ad-libbed, but they recovered so well it created a perfect scene created by all three.
You'd think Chekov a Russian would know about the Cold War. Probably shouldn't be going around asking about nuclar vessels with a Russian accent!
He comes from a time 300 years after the Cold War. Maybe his history was a little off.
islandperson
I know, but what good does the history of the Cold War do someone from the 23rd century? It would realistically (if it was real) be history probably within the past 100-200 years, space travel and such
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Yeah, the space race n all. If you want my opinion it was just two nations wanting to make the other look bad lol.
The Russians were the first into space
The Americans were the first on a planetary surface other than earth
islandperson I thought Chekhov said nuclear whistle
I don't get why he says "wessels". It's not like they don't have a V in Russian.
In the novel, the Asian couple arguing were Sulu's great-great-great grandparents.
Also, the scene with Chekov and Uhura was completely ad-libbed with actual pedestrians and cop, not actors.
@DrinkwithaMexican What book was that in?
@DrinkwithaMexican Wouldn't that make him an immortal up until that point?
There was supposed to be a scene where Sulu met a little boy who turned out to be his great grandfather. Unfortunately the boy who was picked for the part wasted so much time messing around on set that the scene was never filmed.
This must be the first time Cantonese appeared in the Star Trek Canon. I wonder what that argument was about.
@@olicityfan1150 pretty sure that was the novelization of the movie
“What does it mean- exact change?”
Priceless
A terrific main stream Trek film that doesn't insult the intelligence of the general audience or fans.
Sulu is right in his element. He's probably walked these streets many times.
In reality, this being close to the height of the Cold War, the cop would have been shocked by a Russian seeking out a military institution. He would have called his higher-ups, been given the order to detain Chekov and Uhurah, and there would have been an attempt to take them into custody.
that moment when you are walking on the street and someone asks you have you seen any nuclear vessels ?
the cops dead impression made this scene golden
@@Emigdiosback Lol 😂
I know I need to call it in; best wait until after they go away.
HAH! I love how Pacific Bell (now AT&T) was featured so prominently in this film. hahahha! XD
No matter how many time i watch this part i up end up laughing like a madman lol.
Absolutely love this movie. Leonard, miss you always!
It's true the lady that told them where it was was not meant to talk. She lived on the street where they was filming and her car was trapped so she went and asked if she could be an extra. She was meant to stay silent but gave that reply which the liked so much they decided to keep it in the movie. Apparently they had to sign her up to the writers guild or something because you need to be a member to have a speaking role in movies.
lol I quote that line all the time when I'm looking for something.
Just read that The women who answered was just a bystander who was walking by. Koeing made sure they got her info so they could use it in the film. Just searched the clip to see it.
I totally would've given Uhura a ride to Alameda.
Kirk made a bad choice sending a RUSSIAN of all people to find the US's Nuclear Vessels in the 60s...
1980s, actually.
Bad choice for him, classic comedy GOLD for us! :D
Eighty's, actually, but the Cold War was still a thing, so yeah.
It was the mid-1980s, and Cold War was still going on.
This is something where Star Trek falls flat a lot. If they have extensive databases about so many cultures at different times, then it seems it would have been a good deal easier to, for instance, print more money (including exact change!), or enough to get a cab out to Alameda. And yeah, sending a Russian in to ask about nuclear wessels during the Cold War should be laughable not just to us, but to any student of history. I know they needed it to work that way in order for it to be funny, but since they are so conscientious about everything else...
In my opinion the best of all movis. IT was pure comedy and amazingly entertaining. Who needs Khan as villain when you can have the past as main villain.
Of all things: Chekov and Uhura get an airheaded flower girl chic, to provide the most help. THAT'S DAMN CALIFORNIA FOR YOU! 😟
@Dickum N Lickum the V: Emperor Of UA-cam. This is the best insult I've heard in days! 😂 Your totally right though
I'm pretty sure Sulu is Japanese and those arguing couple are talking Cantonese
They were just there to get his attention anyway
I just assumed he had on his universal translator. I wonder if some of the humans in Starfleet speak primarily a language other than English like Swahili, German or K'iche (a Mayan language) but rely on the UT to function.
Sulu was born in San Francisco, he mentions it earlier in the film.
I read how the woman who directed Uhura and Checkov to go across the bay to Alameda wasn't supposed to actually say anything, but she ad libbed because she thought speaking would make her more money and she needed to pay a parking ticket or something. Mr. Nimoy liked it so much, he left it in (and paid her more money).
0:52: sweet Pontiac Fiero!
I love it when spock says what ones it mean exact change,
Cop was getting ready to help then was all like 'this nigga right here'
Yeah some guy with a thick Russian accent in the mid 1980s going around asking about Nuclear vessels might get the side eye.
And we all learned an important lesson today: Exact change.
... I'm sorry, what? My apologies, I didn't hear a single thing that was said because I was too busy staring at DEFOREST KELLEY'S LEGS.
OH MY LORD. LEGS FOR DAYS!
P.S. Mr. Sulu looks great in that cape.
He's like 70% legs
Star fleet academy is in Marin. Chekhov would have spent some time in the SF Bay Area at least during his academy days. Why would he not know where Alemeda Island is?
The thing is, they're probably *very* familiar with San Francisco in the 23rd century, since Starfleet Academy is located there. But, Alameda is no longer there, not even a memory. So what happened to it in the Trek timeline? It must have been completely destroyed in World War III.
Chekhov looks like a doll in the thumbnail lol
Notice that the last woman they talked to had Vulcan/Romulan ears.
I saw that.
While everyone is talking about the Cold War, I just think Chekov is absolutely adorable.
Always cracks me up when Chekhov at that in a Russian accent asks where the Nuclear Weapons are.
Here is something I never really understood: Kirk and Spock are ordered off the bus because they don't have exact change and the bus drives away. In the next scene that shows them, they are on a bus (possibly the same bus). How did they get on the bus and how did they get exact change. From the back, it almost looked as if they were on the subway, instead of a bus.
MichaelBrookham they pawned some of their stuff.
+MichaelBrookham That is actually a good question, I always thought they had gone and bought something to eat or drink and got the change there. Also, it could have very much have been the same bus as you said.
Maybe they bummed the money.
Maybe Spock gave the bus driver a quick Vulcan mind meld...
That last woman they talked to was not an extra, she accidently walked on the set unawares and gave an honest answer.
0:52 A Fiero, LMAO
I have a good friend whose last name is Wessels, so after this movie came out we circle of friends all gave him the nickname "Nuclear"!
A scene was written and attempted to be filmed where Sulu meets a young boy who turns out to be an ancestor of his. However, the child who was hired for the role was having trouble performing the scene, and it had to be scrapped. The film establishes that Sulu was born in San Francisco.
The nebula cloud in Futurama approves.
“They were all extras except for one,” Koenig said of the bystanders in the scene. “One young woman came by with her dog ... She wasn't supposed to get into the scene, but she walked into the scene, and she was one of the people that I saw, and I didn't know that she was not part of our group. So I asked her the question, and she started telling me where Alameda was, and they kept it. They kept it. I made sure. When they finally said, ‘Cut,’ the first thing I did was I went to the, I think it was the assistant director, and said, ‘Get her information. Make sure we have her so we can use this footage if indeed it works out in the film.’ And the hysterical irony is that she wasn't an actress. She ended up signing autographs at conventions!
"What does it mean, 'exact change'?" 😂
Such a funny film,bus scenes and Checkov asking where are the nuclear vessels!
Can anyone understand what the people outside of the Pacific Bell building are yelling at each other about?
as a child this went over my head but now days i know why no one would talk to chekov
In Soviet Russia, Nuclear Wessels find you.
You had to be alive during the Cold War to appreciate the "nuclear wessels" joke.
According to Sulu, they filmed the nuclear wessels scene live, with hidden cameras.
Because of this movie, I pronounce vessels as "wessels" sometimes to see if anyone gets it. XD
Still not getting over how Chekov pronounces “vessels”. The Russian accent is upside down, he’d pronounce “wine” like “vine” but he’d never do it the other way around.
Maybe it’s supposed to be over-correction since he keeps being told “w, not v” all the time… 😂
I love that Picard s2 is riffing on this. "Cellular photograph" indeed 🤣
Still waiting on this 'transparent aluminum'
The woman in white was actual a real person. They liked the reaction so much they kept it.
wtf lol
"Nuclear Wessles"
I read where there was a deleted scene where a lady yells out to a young "Hikaru Sulu", which was obviously an ancestor of Sulu's. I think that scene would have been good. Where they lady yells out to someone might be the scene, but we really don't know what she is saying.
+MichaelBrookham The child actor was apparently suffering stage fright.
+MichaelBrookham The child actor was apparently suffering stage fright.
The Girl at the end adlibbed her line and they kept it in.
0:55 thats the same street Will Smith takes his kid to daycare in The Pursuit of Happiness.
That T1000 is not sure what timeline these visitors from the future are from.
Did you see her ears when she pulled her hair back? Vulcans on earth in the 20th century.
Are you sure she wasn't a Romulan or an elf?
Looked like a nice place back then.
Saw hilarious interview with Walter Koenig, who's very fun to watch , he was saying that even the Federation high tech computer could never predict when you go back to 1980s Earth you shouldn't have a Russian guy walking around San Francisco asking about nuclear devices 😅
@MF Nickster good point... I don't expect there would be much on social studies in the 20th century human Earth for them
@MF Nickster Good point...an explanation is Vulcan would not want any karma tied to any enemy gear, ship or object ...they would want it gone .
"Yeah, there's a Russian Beatle here trying to find nuclear weasels."
"The beetle speaks English?"
"No, no; not the bug beetles. The rock band Beatles."
"Well, does it have to be a radioactive weasel? Tell him we'll get him a weasel if he gives us tickets to wherever his cover band is playing."
"10-4. I'll keep you posted."
Had to see this clip again with all the talk of nuclear weapons lately. lol
1:28 NuClEaRa WeSsElS
Star Trek never cease to amaze me
In 1787, Hamilton argued before the New York General Assembly that a proposed Senate amendment to an act regulating elections violated both the state’s law-of-the-land clause and a recently passed statutory provision guaranteeing due process of law. The act disqualified the owners of British privateers of vessels of war that had attacked the “vessels, property or persons” of the United States....
Shouldn’t they know where Alameda is since Star Fleet is in San Francisco?
very good point
@@Island_Line_Rail_Productions Maybe Alameda was wiped out in World War III.
Nuclear wessles i almost cracked up laughing
It’s a shame no one ever bothered to pick up a loaf of sourdough bread, especially considering that the Klingon food packs were giving Scotty a sour stomach😂
I wonder if the production crew got in touch with the San Francisco police department just to ask what an officer would actually do in that situation, because this is hilariously accurate.
"Nuclear wessels" It's hilarious watching a Russian ask around for a Nuclear ship!
So Starfleet headquarters is set in San Francisco, but Chekov and Uhura don't know where Alameda is located? I guess Alameda doesn't exist in the 23rd century.
Don't forget that in the intervening period there have been the eugenics wars and a nuclear war on Earth just before First Contact.
The United Federation of Muni does not have a route going to Sausalito. The only Muni route to Marin County is the 76 Marin Headlands Express and it does not run on Columbus Ave. Had this been a realistic, Kirk and Spock would have probably taken Golden Gate Route 10, 70, or 80 on Van Ness Ave or Blue and Gold Ferry from Pier 41. The Voyager crew didn't have time for the bus in the Episode "Future's End", Paris and Tuvok do not take LA public transit and steal a car instead.
+Marc Parella Stealing a car. HAH! Trying to stay true to life in L.A., i suppose. XD
Kirk and Spock stole a car in the original series episode a piece of the action.
In the words of Lorerunner: “he just staaares.”
Brilliant scene and brilliant expression by the cop. What's changed though? There are a few comments that this war at the height of the cold war. By all means try asking for directions to the nearest "nuclear wessel" base in a thick Russian or even an East European accent and see if you get a more favourable response. Maybe try asking what time their visiter centre opens.
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (1986) Is one of My Favorite Movies from the 1980's !