Nikola Jokic is CLOSING the GAP on Hakeem Olajuwon

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  • Опубліковано 27 кві 2024
  • In this segment we debate if Nikola Jokic winning back-to-back Finals MVPs would put him over Hakeem Olajuwon All-Time. What does Jokic have to do to rank over Hakeem?
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  • @kris9145
    @kris9145 Місяць тому +43

    Hakeem is a better all around player, jokic is amazing tho

    • @NBA_Z0
      @NBA_Z0 Місяць тому +2

      Cap 🧢 stay off the weeeeeeeeed

    • @Doknot-tb9ey
      @Doknot-tb9ey Місяць тому +6

      @@NBA_Z0 No 🧢 you stay off the weed.

    • @KxngKUDA
      @KxngKUDA Місяць тому

      Saying "all around" immediately disqualifies your opinion

    • @Retro_Playz1
      @Retro_Playz1 Місяць тому +2

      @@NBA_Z0what defense does Jokic play ?

    • @Dr.Zoidberg_2914
      @Dr.Zoidberg_2914 Місяць тому

      @@Retro_Playz1its not about the defense Jokic is way better on offense. This guy said all around but Jokic offense is so elite it honestly makes them kinda equals. If Jokic wins a third mvp I would probably take Jokic

  • @arronfrazier7873
    @arronfrazier7873 Місяць тому +14

    Its not close! Guys! Outside of passing! Hakeem is a the superior offensive player and a course, the superior defensive player! If you want to see how elite Hakeem was in the NBA. Forget the 94 and 95 playoffs runs. Go watch the 1986 NBA finals Rockets vs Celtics. Hakeem was facing, McHale, Bird, Parrish, Walton and Kite. Hakeem was Un guardable on offense. That wasn't were here was terrifying. He was elite on defense against the Celtics. He had to get in foul trouble in 3 those games for the Celtics to feel comfortable in the post and around the basket. Remember, that playoffs, the Rockets beat the Lakers to make the NBA finals! Hakeem was doing the same to Worthy, Kareem, Magic, Thompson and etc.

    • @howitzdone8992
      @howitzdone8992 Місяць тому +20

      Hakeem is not a superior offensive player 😂

    • @yrnquin1560
      @yrnquin1560 Місяць тому +2

      @@howitzdone8992he’s a superior scorer for sure

    • @arronfrazier7873
      @arronfrazier7873 Місяць тому +2

      @@howitzdone8992 Yes, he is superior!

    • @howitzdone8992
      @howitzdone8992 Місяць тому +1

      @@arronfrazier7873 no he is not

    • @howitzdone8992
      @howitzdone8992 Місяць тому +2

      @@yrnquin1560 to bad scoring isn’t the only thing on offense.

  • @tbtoosmoove
    @tbtoosmoove Місяць тому +5

    Hakeem would embarrass dude

  • @Jaydog94
    @Jaydog94 Місяць тому +15

    Chill cooking 🔥🔥🔥

  • @Youraveragebasketballfan
    @Youraveragebasketballfan Місяць тому +5

    Hakeem is way better. Recency bias is crazy, I got Hakeem at ten, joker at 24

  • @ubadman1
    @ubadman1 Місяць тому +6

    I get hakeem is the bettwr defender. But yall old heads dont seem to get that jokic is the offense. He directs traffic, seyup teammates, and is among the best passers ever. He has shot 50 percent from three for an entire playoff run and won a title as the only all star. Jokic on offense is so efge ient you barely see him have ganes under 45 percent from the field.
    Jokic defense isnt insane but it is effective and he isnt a negative there.

    • @tbtoosmoove
      @tbtoosmoove Місяць тому +4

      I'd rather my big man be a 2 way guy with all time great defense than my big man being a playmaker I honestly don't care bout that, I'd just go get a Chris Paul type guard if I wanted a playmaker I'm looking for my big man's most important trait to be a defensive stud that's way more important for a big man than playmaking.

    • @chauvintookaknee4blm268
      @chauvintookaknee4blm268 Місяць тому

      You don't know ball​@@tbtoosmoove

    • @curtiszyr
      @curtiszyr 23 дні тому +1

      You talk like Hakeem isn’t a reaper on offense

  • @Getdown8319
    @Getdown8319 Місяць тому +12

    Jokic is great in his era, comparing these players when they aren’t even playing the same game makes no sense. Jokic skillset perfectly fits his era.

    • @AlphaTSH
      @AlphaTSH Місяць тому +6

      It fits Hakeem’s era too

    • @Getdown8319
      @Getdown8319 Місяць тому +3

      @@AlphaTSH you think it’s a coincidence that jokic first 5 seasons were good then it magically became ridiculous in 2020-21. Is is a coincidence that so many players average high numbers of assists. No one is the same player in a different time. Team priority is different, team composition is different, rules, teammates, coaching, sets. It’s a lot deeper than oh ya he would be fine. I think he would good but a lot of this is inflation and the times not to mention players get more rest than anytime in history. There are a lot of factors at play. I personally believe jokic is a product of his time. Now don’t get me wrong I’m a jokic fan love his game he actually his teammates better unlike most of these fake stars they claim do just because they have a lot of assists.

    • @AlphaTSH
      @AlphaTSH Місяць тому +3

      @@Getdown8319 Jokic’s game still fits any era

    • @Getdown8319
      @Getdown8319 Місяць тому +1

      @@AlphaTSH I don’t think he’s as productive. He has no real competition at his position he doesn’t have physicality every possession, he gets plenty of rest he isn’t being attacked every possession. There is no boxing out, his team would not have had so manny shooters a lot of these cuts his teammates do aren’t there in the first place in packed paint. I think he would make all star I don’t think he would be running the league like he does today. But if will say this and these are to his benefit he’s coachable, he’s not selfish, and he’s intelligent those work in any era. I could be spot on or dead wrong I don’t have a Time Machine and these arguments are pointless because u cannot prove either way. Coulda, woulda, shouldas ain’t nothing.

    • @chay770
      @chay770 Місяць тому +2

      @@Getdown8319because he entered his prime? or they started playing around jokic? literally any player if you start to play around them then you can see their true potential, if you don’t play around hakeem then he won’t be good early simple

  • @LeftoverTake
    @LeftoverTake Місяць тому +4

    Jokic has the MVPs but Hakeem is arguably the greatest two way player ever. It’s hard to say jokic is better because of that

    • @LeftoverTake
      @LeftoverTake Місяць тому

      They’re both top 3 centers ever though.

    • @tbtoosmoove
      @tbtoosmoove Місяць тому +2

      ​@@LeftoverTake Jokic is not better than Hakeem, Kareem, Shaq or Wilt

    • @LeftoverTake
      @LeftoverTake Місяць тому

      @@tbtoosmoove 1. Hakeem 2 Shaq 3. Jokic
      None of us watched Wilt or peak Kareem but the games that you can watch of them just highlight how weak the competition was, including the 80’s.

  • @Nothimx11
    @Nothimx11 Місяць тому +16

    Jokic
    2x mvps or maybe 3x mvp
    2x finals mvp
    2x championship
    Hakeem
    1x mvp
    2x finals mvp
    2x championships
    2x dpoy
    It's close but hakeem takes the edge.

    • @DR-110
      @DR-110 Місяць тому

      ​@@ozarka1110 lol oldhead

    • @Boxhead16
      @Boxhead16 Місяць тому +1

      @@ozarka1110that’s LITERRALLY insane. He’s need 5 rings, the same number like Kobe and Duncan who are better?

    • @AveChristusRex789
      @AveChristusRex789 Місяць тому

      ⁠​⁠​⁠@@ozarka11105 is pretty wild. I would say 3

    • @javongreen2515
      @javongreen2515 Місяць тому +20

      How we just giving joker accolades though?

    • @abdullahimusahirsi395
      @abdullahimusahirsi395 Місяць тому +12

      When did joker get 2 rings

  • @rockiewhite8551
    @rockiewhite8551 Місяць тому +4

    Man this shouldn’t even be discussion!! What are they talking about of course it’s “The Dream”…

    • @tebra643
      @tebra643 Місяць тому

      King Jokić, EASY

  • @harissonbond7499
    @harissonbond7499 Місяць тому +3

    Same argument as Magic Vs Jordan
    Elite offense, avg defense vs elite offense, with elite defense. Guess who I'm taking.

  • @demondwilliams8542
    @demondwilliams8542 Місяць тому +19

    Are we going to ignore the defensive end?

    • @yvans.
      @yvans. Місяць тому +6

      In order to put Joker over Hakeem they got to ignore it 😂.
      I think Joker will end up being greater than Dream tho.
      But not right now

    • @dontAtMe69420
      @dontAtMe69420 Місяць тому +3

      or perhaps Jokic is just THAT good on offense, and not nearly as bad as at defense than you think...

    • @demondwilliams8542
      @demondwilliams8542 Місяць тому +3

      @@dontAtMe69420
      Dream was elite on both sides of the ball. Jokic is average at best on defense. Let's not get carried away because he's elite on offense.

    • @kris9145
      @kris9145 Місяць тому +4

      @@yvans. this is why I hate ring culture, we should be comparing players on their skills not what their team was able to do

    • @dontAtMe69420
      @dontAtMe69420 Місяць тому +3

      @@demondwilliams8542 Hakeem was an elite scorer 3-10ft thats it. Jokic does EVERYTHING on offense and is a 3 level scorer. Jokic's offense and ABOVE average defense >> Hakeems offense & defense.

  • @smike7309
    @smike7309 Місяць тому +12

    Just watched Marz troll for 9 minutes😭😭

  • @gorantamburic2000
    @gorantamburic2000 Місяць тому +4

    Jokic is a point center while Hakeem is a classical center ! Hakeem was my favourite before Jokic but now is Jok ! Jok is a Unicorn !

  • @Matthew-xl5bc
    @Matthew-xl5bc Місяць тому +39

    Hakeem is way better than Jokic. Accolades really undersold how good Hakeem was.

    • @nikolakrstic8079
      @nikolakrstic8079 Місяць тому +3

      How is he better

    • @kiwavy
      @kiwavy Місяць тому

      ​@nikolakrstic8079 Defens e

    • @donaldf9055
      @donaldf9055 Місяць тому +3

      Way better is d suck asf. HAKEEM is a way better defender but jokic is way better offensively.

    • @dontAtMe69420
      @dontAtMe69420 Місяць тому +3

      @@nikolakrstic8079 they'll just say 'defense' cause they are surface level fans lol

    • @denimjeg
      @denimjeg Місяць тому +1

      @@dontAtMe69420or because Hakeem is arguably the best defender ever

  • @nikolabojaj271
    @nikolabojaj271 Місяць тому +4

    I hope Marz is joking Nikola Jokic started to become good in 2017/2018-current that’s 7 NBA Seasons now averaging.
    23.2 points, 7.9 assists, 11.4 rebounds, 0.7 block
    1.3 steals, 82.8% FT, 35.3% 3p & 55.9% FG.
    While Hakeem averaged 20+ points and 10+ rebounds since his rookie season 1984/1985-1996/1997 which is 13 NBA season’s. Hakeem was still good the next 2 seasons, in year 15 averaged 19 points, 9.6 rebounds, 1.6 steals, 2.5 blocks, 71.4%FT and 51.4% FG coming off an injury the year before.
    Jokic is great, but has been doing this for 5-7 years only Hakeem did it longer and was good to great for 15 years. Hakeem is the only center in the top 15 in blocks and steals in NBA history. Hakeem went to the Finals 3 times in his career, in Hakeem’s 13 year prime he averaged: 24.2 points, 12.0 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 2.0 steals, 3.4 blocks, 71.6% FT, & shot 51.6% from the field. Hakeem has
    3 NBA Finals Appearances,
    2 NBA Championships,
    2 Finals MVP’s, 1 League MVP, 2 Defensive Player of The Year Award, 1 Olympic Gold Medal,
    12x All-NBA, 2x Rebound champion,
    3x block Champion,
    9x All-Defense, has 3 seasons averaging 4+ blocks and 1 season averaging 3.9 blocks. In his 15 seasons that he was great to very good Hakeem played 65+ games was 13 out 15 seasons. Played 70+ games 12 out of 15 seasons. Hakeem was playing higher minutes in a much more physical era with better big men. Hakeem averaged 37.7 minutes for 13 straight seasons, while Jokic is playing in the low 30’s. Hakeem was playing against better big men like… Shaq, David Robinson, Barkley, Karl Malone, Chris Webber, Juwan Howard, Alonzo Mourning, Brad Daugherty, Larry Nance SR, Patrick Ewing, Dikembe Mutombo, Kevin Willis, Shawn Kemp, Clifford Robinson, Dennis Rodman & more. Who’s Jokic competition ?? Anthony Davis, Embiid, Giannis and that’s it lol 😂😂😂 only reason we consider Jokic great offensively is due to his passing as a scorer he’s just very good. Jokic only averaged 25+ points 3 times in his career if you’re speaking in terms as a scorer Hakeem clears him he’s a better scorer, has more moves on the block and way better foot work. Hakeem can spread the floor as well and hit that midrange jump shot
    15-20 feet from the basket. Hakeem was in the top 13 MVP voting 12 times in his career. How the hell am I going to put a guy who plays below average defense, is not a presence down low on the defensive end & Hakeem is arguably the greatest defensive player of all time. Hakeem is the better athlete can switch out and defend guards where Jokic is not mobile enough to stay in front of quicker guards. Jokic needs sometime he’s only been an All-Star for 6 seasons now he’s way too young in his career give him some time. My top 5 centers all time are:
    1. Shaq
    2. Kareem
    3. Hakeem
    4. David Robinson
    5. Jokic or Wilt
    No disrespect to Wilt or Mr. Russell.
    Hakeem is so great I never hear Houston fans say I wish we drafted Jordan over Hakeem. If the roles were reversed people would say wish we had Jordan over Jokic. Like I said both players are great, but Hakeem at least plays dominant on both ends of the floor, where Jokic is only dominant on the offensive end. On top of that Hakeem was good to great for 15 seasons where Jokic was good to great for 6 seasons pump the breaks you’re just living in the moment relax.

    • @Spawnwatching
      @Spawnwatching Місяць тому

      you using stats and accolades when marz himself has said he doesn’t value those things

    • @BoosterGoldEarth6
      @BoosterGoldEarth6 Місяць тому

      You was cooking until the Disrespect to Russell and Chamberlain. 🤣🤣🤣

  • @jalilcook5113
    @jalilcook5113 Місяць тому +9

    I got Hakeem, he plays better on defense, and footwork only thing Jokic can do better is pass and shoot a little bit

    • @machoboys8884
      @machoboys8884 Місяць тому +11

      Jokic is by far the better offensive player and it’s not close

    • @Kendricktimes2
      @Kendricktimes2 Місяць тому +1

      Jokic is easily a better offensive player then Hakeem and easily the greatest offensive big man and arguable a top 5 offensive player of all time

    • @WembyMuse2024
      @WembyMuse2024 Місяць тому +9

      ​@@machoboys8884the gap is even BIGGER on defense

    • @machoboys8884
      @machoboys8884 Місяць тому

      @@WembyMuse2024 I wouldn’t say that. Jokic is a top passer of all time and makes the entire offense good, while Hakeem can only score himself. Jokic makes 4 players better while Hakeem only makes himself better in the offs. I would say the defensive gap is equal

    • @curtiszyr
      @curtiszyr 23 дні тому +1

      @@machoboys8884​⁠​⁠lmao go look at Hakeem 94 championship playoff run, he was the first player to lead the team in 5 major categories points rebound steals blocks and assist while so winning mvp dpoy and championship in the same season and being the only player in league history to do that, , “Hakeem only makes himself better” he was the TEAM you absolute CASUAL omg 😂 and when it comes to defense it’s not even remotely close hahaha

  • @Princecharisma111
    @Princecharisma111 Місяць тому +21

    Hakeem in this era would be embiid with better defense

    • @Doknot-tb9ey
      @Doknot-tb9ey Місяць тому

      Word.

    • @BT405
      @BT405 Місяць тому +8

      plus a playoff riser

    • @zukusenryu
      @zukusenryu Місяць тому +1

      Embiid is a better shooter.

    • @tayluc777
      @tayluc777 Місяць тому

      Swear! He’d be a monster

    • @BT405
      @BT405 Місяць тому +3

      @@zukusenryuso you don't think Hakeem would learn to shoot more in this era? He already had a midrange all he gotta do is work on his 3's

  • @tayluc777
    @tayluc777 Місяць тому +11

    Hakeem is literally the best center of all time to me alongside Bill Russell.

    • @lmnoph
      @lmnoph Місяць тому +1

      Why bill Russel? Because of rings

    • @vishtakes
      @vishtakes Місяць тому +1

      I agree with the Hakeem statement but I have Wilt over Bill

    • @tayluc777
      @tayluc777 20 днів тому

      @@lmnophhe was an athlete

  • @isakmaaan0326
    @isakmaaan0326 Місяць тому +18

    Jokic’s offense is arguably the greatest of all time. Offense>>>defense for individual players. Jokic’s impact is way more valuable

    • @yrnquin1560
      @yrnquin1560 Місяць тому

      You offensive nuthuggers don’t use any logic. Hakeem’s offense is way better than jokic’s defense so Hakeem as a whole is the better player. It’s very simple to understand but for some reason all you jokic meat riders care about is offense

    • @davidlyons6235
      @davidlyons6235 Місяць тому +2

      Isn't it strange how often Chill kept going on about the eye test but neglected to consider how much stylistically Jokic has in common with Bird who torched Hakeem?

    • @yrnquin1560
      @yrnquin1560 Місяць тому +2

      @@davidlyons6235 bird didn’t torch Hakeem, he had a better team stop it. The Celtics were terrified to go in the paint when Hakeem was in the game.

    • @davidlyons6235
      @davidlyons6235 Місяць тому

      @@yrnquin1560 go look up the channel Prime Larry Bird and he breaks down their match up. Based on the eye test, Bird torched him offensively and defensively. Stylistically Bird's game is a problem for Hakeem. Jokic is better at it than Bird. It's just facts. Go watch his video breakdown of it. Hakeem had no problem admitting it.

    • @davidlyons6235
      @davidlyons6235 Місяць тому

      @@yrnquin1560 go look up the channel Prime Larry Bird and his film on their match up. The eye test tells me Bird dominated Kareem offensively and defensively. Stylistically Jokic is similar to Bird and he's bigger and stronger than Bird.

  • @TaylorScobey
    @TaylorScobey Місяць тому +22

    It’s crazy that the world thinks Shaq is better than Hakeem 😂😂

    • @vvskev
      @vvskev Місяць тому +6

      Cuz Shaq in his prime was better

    • @machoboys8884
      @machoboys8884 Місяць тому +1

      Shaq ain’t lose in the first round 9 times

    • @thund3r682
      @thund3r682 Місяць тому +7

      Prime shaq was better tho. Hakeem is more skilled but the pure dominance of shaq elevates him above. Also, the league had to change rules because of shaq.

    • @TaylorScobey
      @TaylorScobey Місяць тому +6

      @@machoboys8884 from 1995-2010 Shaq played with 3 HOF guards(Kobe, Wade, Nash) and an ALL NBA guard who got hurt(Penny). Are you just lazy or you don’t watch hoops?

    • @TaylorScobey
      @TaylorScobey Місяць тому +1

      @@thund3r682 Giannis the most dominant player since 2018 and he still wasn’t the best player in the world from 2018 till now so?😂

  • @Dusty3967
    @Dusty3967 Місяць тому +13

    It’s crazy that just two years ago if you said jokic was better than Giannis people looked at you crazy now people saying he better than Hakeem the switch up is crazy 😂 btw I been saying he better than Giannis but he not better than Hakeem

    • @Big_talks.
      @Big_talks. Місяць тому +2

      He’s close to being better then Hakeem though might be top 10 end of his career

    • @anthonymalcolmcalan
      @anthonymalcolmcalan Місяць тому +1

      Jokic has just entered his prime. 2 years ago Jokic was a liability on defense, that’s no longer the case. Jokic used to not be able to get up and down the floor. Now he’s in better shape, that’s no longer the case. Players get better with time and when they get better our opinions should change.

    • @Thanosdidtherighthing
      @Thanosdidtherighthing Місяць тому

      @@Big_talks. Shaq>> both

    • @chauvintookaknee4blm268
      @chauvintookaknee4blm268 Місяць тому

      ​@@anthonymalcolmcalanhe wasn't lmao

  • @jus3278
    @jus3278 24 дні тому +1

    Love Joker but Dream at his prime was better. More dominate on both ends. Joker passes and shoots the three better and in all honesty Hakeem could shoot threes, he just rarely took them because he was a beast in the paint, mid range, face up, and pick and pop from 15-20 feet. On defense it's not even close. Hakeem outplayed Kareem, Shaq, Robinson, and Ewing in playoff series with his team beating all of them. Joker is absolutely great but Dream is at another level.

  • @philliprhinehardt6268
    @philliprhinehardt6268 Місяць тому +3

    I'm still taking Hakeem over Nikola Jokic.

  • @misteralfred459
    @misteralfred459 Місяць тому

    These comparing eras is getting real crazy

    • @Doknot-tb9ey
      @Doknot-tb9ey Місяць тому

      I agree, let's just appreciate greatness from both players.

  • @gennarommauriello
    @gennarommauriello Місяць тому +2

    Hakeem olajuwon along side wilt were the only ones to put up quadruple double

  • @DcDolo
    @DcDolo Місяць тому +3

    Hakeem was poetry in motion , but in 4 years Joker playing at this rate passing him 🤷🏾

  • @BIGMIKE-mk9ce
    @BIGMIKE-mk9ce Місяць тому +3

    Hakeem is the only center to win all the trophies in one year😂😂😂
    MVP
    DPOTY
    FINALS MVP
    CHAMPIONSHIP

    • @moneyball647
      @moneyball647 21 день тому

      How many MVPs does Hakeem have? lol

    • @Coldskin1
      @Coldskin1 13 днів тому

      @@moneyball647 u mean the 2 mvps jokic stoled 2021 giannis
      2022 embiid😖

  • @arronfrazier7873
    @arronfrazier7873 Місяць тому +2

    Hakeem defense plays in any era and it would be elite in any era! On offense, Hakeem would be Bam Adebayo on steroids on offense. Hakeem in this era could give you finesse and power in various ways of scoring. Also, he was an elite athlete.

    • @JaysPlayDays
      @JaysPlayDays Місяць тому +1

      Bam in his dreams could never be Hakeem

  • @berto2310
    @berto2310 Місяць тому +1

    I was watching a team and both teams were great offensively and it was a close game. Then 1 team put a defensive beast in the game and the lead went to 20

    • @machoboys8884
      @machoboys8884 Місяць тому

      What game and teams were this? I once watch a team that was good defensively blow a 30 PT lead to an 8th seed due to a player who couldn’t play defense cooking their defense

    • @berto2310
      @berto2310 Місяць тому

      @@machoboys8884 they weren’t good defensively if that was the case. A 30 point lead? And Hakeem was good offensively so he plays a player that’s not good defensively he’s cooking him

    • @machoboys8884
      @machoboys8884 Місяць тому

      @@berto23102019 Warriors were a good defensive team. They blew a 30 pt lead. The 1986 Celtics were an ELITE defensive team but allowed MJ to average 43 on them. Elite offense beats elite defense.

    • @berto2310
      @berto2310 Місяць тому

      @@machoboys8884 but the Celtics won right? I don’t get it. And the warriors aren’t on Hakeem’s level of defense so I still don’t get it. I’m just saying if Joker played a little defense AD would not be destroying him the way he is this series. The only reason they are up is because the lakers play small ball and it’s killing them. If they had a center to guard joker it would be over

  • @heavyd192
    @heavyd192 Місяць тому

    Lol these are glasses to help me read... But I can see just fine lmaaaoo

  • @Dame_301
    @Dame_301 Місяць тому +3

    Hakeem by far better than Jokic. Not even a conversation

    • @user-xb4fm5rx8h
      @user-xb4fm5rx8h Місяць тому

      Facts bro, Jokic is starting to become the most overrated player in NBA history😂 I thought it was Stockton and Malone but Jokic might be more overrated than both of em.

    • @dashawnballard52
      @dashawnballard52 Місяць тому

      @@user-xb4fm5rx8hthe mf has led every offense statistic for 5 straight years, if you call that overrated you a crackhead

  • @davidlyons6235
    @davidlyons6235 Місяць тому +1

    Didn't Larry Bird give him fits?

  • @trogdor1977
    @trogdor1977 22 дні тому

    I love Hakeem, my fav player ever, so it's hard to be objective here. Jokic is scary good as a playmaker, and i honestly don't know what the result would be if we could find a time machine to put these 2 against each other. If Jokic can do this for another 4 years he may just convince me he's Olajuwon equal. For now Olajuwon gets the nod based on doing it for well over 12 years. Ppl forget that he had the footwork of a guard in a center's body.

  • @BOBSo1o
    @BOBSo1o Місяць тому +1

    Thank you @ChillTown for reminding people who Hakeem da Dream iz…

  • @liquidswordz2797
    @liquidswordz2797 Місяць тому

    Nah I can’t go there yet.

  • @SHAKE-S-PIERRE
    @SHAKE-S-PIERRE Місяць тому

    Tarz always has good takes

  • @MOCdude
    @MOCdude Місяць тому +1

    Kareem Jabbar:
    10 scorer 5 playmaker 8 defense
    Shaquille O’Neal:
    9 scorer 5 playmaker 8 defense
    Nikola Jokic:
    8 scorer 9 playmaker 6 defense
    Hakeem Olajuwon:
    8 score 4 playmaker 10 defense
    you can argue a .5 for a few of these things but that’s how I see them overall as players…

    • @hassanbaig8734
      @hassanbaig8734 Місяць тому +1

      Hakeem was a better playmaker than shaq stop playing

    • @Pswayze23
      @Pswayze23 Місяць тому +1

      If jokic is 6 on defense, than Hakeem is 6 on passing. You're choosing to give jokic a lot of benefit of the doubt on defense considering that's what the nuggets have tried to cover up by trading for certain players. The few times Denver looks vulnerable is when jokics man is a skilled offensive player like Embiid.

    • @MOCdude
      @MOCdude Місяць тому +1

      @@hassanbaig8734 no tf he wasn’t, he’s the worse playmaker out of any top 15 list

    • @MOCdude
      @MOCdude Місяць тому +1

      @@Pswayze23 passing is not the only thing that makes up for playmaking, Hakeem isn’t even close to anywhere near the passer Shaq and Jokic are, most of his playmaking comes from screens when initiated in the offense

    • @Pswayze23
      @Pswayze23 Місяць тому

      ​@@MOCdudeif Hakeem isn't close to jokics playmaking, than jokic can't even comprehend the defense Hakeem could play. At least Hakeem utilized his playmaking to win two championships, one without another star player on his squad. Jokic needed Murray to win.

  • @DaintyBroom2233
    @DaintyBroom2233 Місяць тому

    If Jokic wants to be better than Hakeem, he's gonna have to show that his offensive prowess is just so impactful and so important to winning, that it outweighs the overall impact of Hakeem's game. Hakeem is in the mix for the best defender ever, Joker gotta win this year and probably one more before he retires to really solidify himself as the better player.

  • @babatunde4335
    @babatunde4335 Місяць тому +1

    Hakeem the greatest center of all time

  • @pimpnamedslickback7780
    @pimpnamedslickback7780 Місяць тому +1

    Chill cooked in this one. Marz was on some bs

  • @Reallybruh99
    @Reallybruh99 13 днів тому

    Hakeems rockets was the only team in the league that had a winning record against the bulls from 91-93
    Edit: dude trippin

  • @corvoattano7430
    @corvoattano7430 Місяць тому

    marz understands

  • @alvin081988
    @alvin081988 Місяць тому +1

    Assuming Joker wins 3 MVPS and multiple NBA Championships & Finals MVPS...His Position in the NBA All Time Great will be in the Top 10 or 7

    • @ozarka1110
      @ozarka1110 Місяць тому

      Who you taking out for jokic

    • @alvin081988
      @alvin081988 Місяць тому +1

      @@ozarka1110 it's hard but I have
      MJ
      LBJ
      Tim Duncan
      Kobe
      Larry Bird
      Magic
      SHAQ
      Wilt
      Bill Russell
      Hakeem or Curry
      That is my top 10 for now
      It's hard to remove anyone but Jokic has a chance

    • @dcgrace320
      @dcgrace320 Місяць тому

      @@alvin081988 Kareem not in your top 10 lol?

    • @alvin081988
      @alvin081988 Місяць тому

      @@dcgrace320 I forgot about him hahaha but he is there...Thank you for reminding

    • @ubadman1
      @ubadman1 Місяць тому

      ​@@alvin081988kobes spot will be the one threatened. Hes the one on the edge.

  • @moneyball647
    @moneyball647 21 день тому

    He's not yet there but to say he's not knocking on the door is just wrong. If he wins two titles there's an argument. THen if you add up his stats by the end of his career -- he'll clear Hakeem.

  • @xenoex9076
    @xenoex9076 Місяць тому +1

    Olajuwon cooks joker head to head

  • @berto2310
    @berto2310 Місяць тому +1

    All offense absolutely no defense makes you the better player. If he played any type of Defense this series would be over

    • @bmxney3143
      @bmxney3143 Місяць тому

      If you think he has no defense you don’t watch ball

    • @Alex-wz9ze
      @Alex-wz9ze Місяць тому +1

      @@bmxney3143AD is cooking him

    • @bmxney3143
      @bmxney3143 Місяць тому

      @@Alex-wz9ze Unless AD is selling, who in the league can stop AD on the defensive end?

    • @tbtoosmoove
      @tbtoosmoove Місяць тому

      ​@@Alex-wz9zefacts Jokic defense is below avg he stays getting cooked

  • @hooprealm
    @hooprealm Місяць тому

    People really overrate jokic …. He’s this dominant because there’s not many great bigs today …. Hakeem would cook jokic on one side and shut him down on the other …. Jokic would be passing all game less then 15 points guaranteed

  • @nykareem2001
    @nykareem2001 Місяць тому

    I need Ox and Chill to press Marz about his take of Luka being clearly better than Tatum. Kyrie looks like the best player in Dallas.

  • @jtimagesartDivergentFRST
    @jtimagesartDivergentFRST Місяць тому

    Right now, Jokic is not better than Dream but damnit it pains me to say, if he keeps at even just his current pace, I'm going to have to give him the edge. ATM though, Hakeem is easily better all time.

  • @Angryjenkinsdigital
    @Angryjenkinsdigital Місяць тому

    Hakeem did it when there were actually other skilled bigs.

  • @josephadams7301
    @josephadams7301 Місяць тому +1

    Hakeem to me clears every center.... ever. With that being said lets not pretend Joker doesn't compare (its a stupid take). Hakeem unarguably is top 3 best defensive players ever.... Jokic is top 2 if not the best offensive player ever. To be fair 90s post offense and defense was just......basic. Your job/responsibility was defend the paint and you did it against dudes that could only play in the paint. Jokic us dominant in the paint and 10,000 miles better than any center Hakeem ever saw outside of it.

  • @moneyball647
    @moneyball647 21 день тому

    That eye test explanation is BS -- sure some move more aesthetically but the bottom line is what did that produce? Jokic is generating historic numbers but he needs one more title -- he'll have a case over hakeem after 2 titles 2 finals mvps 3 mvps and just hte magnitude of his numbers.

  • @Pswayze23
    @Pswayze23 Місяць тому

    Hakeem wasn't weak by any means. He was more physically dominant in the 90s than every center besides shaq.

  • @bronxgmoney
    @bronxgmoney Місяць тому +2

    There both great offensively so they cancel eath other out in that category but defensively Hakeem clearlys him so im taking kakeem because hes does it on both sides ppl dont vaule defense any more they just want to see a offensive show but defense matters to me and idk centers are weak to me now a days i think joel is the most well rounded center in the leauge when healthy you could throw ad in there too when healthy

    • @howitzdone8992
      @howitzdone8992 Місяць тому +2

      They don’t cancel out on offense tho 😂 jokic is better

    • @DR-110
      @DR-110 Місяць тому +1

      Have you just said that they cancel each other on offense??? 😂

    • @bronxgmoney
      @bronxgmoney Місяць тому

      If he is its not by that much

    • @sergeistalin7916
      @sergeistalin7916 Місяць тому +1

      The thing si the dont cancel out in offense.
      Hakeem is giving you superstar production like 50 other guys in NBA history.
      Jokic is giving you an entire offensive engine that will your offense good even with bad players.
      Is easier to find 4 defenders to compliment Jokic than 4 good offensive player to put around Hakeem.

    • @bronxgmoney
      @bronxgmoney Місяць тому +1

      If you wanna go with better passer fine I'll give you that but that's all he clears Kareem in that category

  • @chauvintookaknee4blm268
    @chauvintookaknee4blm268 Місяць тому

    2:03 🃏 is goat offense. What's Hakeem defense ever carried a team to?? Imagine 🃏 w Ralph LMAO

  • @legendarywiimaster
    @legendarywiimaster Місяць тому

    Jokic has a long way to go but to me he's top 30 all time, top 25 if he wins this chip

    • @dashawnballard52
      @dashawnballard52 Місяць тому +3

      He’s already top 30 tf are you on , I’ll be damned mf was first in every offensive statistics for 5 straight years how is he not top 30 😂😂😂😂

    • @legendarywiimaster
      @legendarywiimaster Місяць тому

      @@dashawnballard52 I said he is top 30, but he has a LOOOOOOOOOONG way to go the reach Hakeem

  • @FortunateKidd
    @FortunateKidd Місяць тому

    Yall acting like Joker didn’t lead the playoffs in points rebounds and assists last year!
    Joker gonna have 3 MVPs and 2FMVPs

    • @curtiszyr
      @curtiszyr 23 дні тому

      Hakeem led in points rebound assist steals and blocks . Won mvp dpoy and finals mvp in the same season. That a separate level not even Micheal Jordan could touch. Hakeem is a SUPREME 2 way player

  • @kerhin
    @kerhin 14 днів тому

    Jokic isn’t in the same league with Hakeem. Two different eras and two different styles of play. Olajuwon would dominate Jokic on both ends of the court. These youngsters committing and probably never seen Hakeem play. I’ve seen both them play and there is no comparison.

  • @yrnsebastian7873
    @yrnsebastian7873 Місяць тому

    21 ppg and great great great best defense of all time I’ll take that to be honest

  • @AX5Terminator
    @AX5Terminator Місяць тому

    Mars is a prisoner of the moment. Recently bias to the max.😂

  • @dontAtMe69420
    @dontAtMe69420 Місяць тому +3

    starting a franchise and both players at their peak same age? I'm taking Jokic. EASILY.

  • @kris9145
    @kris9145 Місяць тому +1

    Americans arent the best players anymore, we had 3 nonamericans in mvp voting this year, and we about to have 6 straight years of nonamericans winning mvp.

  • @SabrumBaker
    @SabrumBaker Місяць тому

    If he wins it this year and gets FMVP he’s much better than Hakeem I think he’s already been a much more rounded out overall much more talented player than Hakeem. Jokic is able to provide his team with MUCH MUCH more than Hakeem could on both ends of the floor. I feel people see the name and automatically say no but if you slow down and look then you’d see that yea Jokic is definitely a much more talented player and better all around

  • @xcvsumextra
    @xcvsumextra Місяць тому

    Hakeem better than Shaq according to Shaq and according to 1994 playoffs

  • @igotjokes4ya340
    @igotjokes4ya340 Місяць тому

    Jokic a better offensive player because of his passing accuracy and iq. Hakeem a better scorer one on one. Hakeem is a better rebounder and not even close defensively. Hakeem is arguably the greatest defender in nba history.

  • @steezyfresh8
    @steezyfresh8 Місяць тому

    Hakeem Is top 10 player .. best defender ever .

  • @Alijahboi
    @Alijahboi Місяць тому

    If jokic wins another ring and mvp hr clears

  • @tebra643
    @tebra643 Місяць тому

    Nikola THE KING, THE REAL MVP Jokić, ALL DAY EVERY DAY

  • @welpbuddy4417
    @welpbuddy4417 Місяць тому

    Hakeem played against a better crop of interior talent

  • @DrZachyboi
    @DrZachyboi Місяць тому

    If the convo is greatness nah, jokic has statistic thresholds that have to be met still. But they aren’t as high as it seems. Bird has 21791 pts, 5695 ast and 8974 rebounds and he’s consensus top 8. I think jokic is gonna finish with like 5 mvps and 4 rings. But even with 2 rings and an mvp count like that, I’m sorry og but he will meet those stats if he doesn’t retire to raise horses and become consensus top 5 so long as we don’t rewrite history on guys like bird or magic who are there rn to make jokic seem worse

  • @Hennyguerrero
    @Hennyguerrero Місяць тому

    Hakeem wouldn’t have won if Jordan ain’t retire

  • @walidsbiri2855
    @walidsbiri2855 Місяць тому +1

    Hakeem defense better than Jokic offense, the f are u smoking ?

    • @tbtoosmoove
      @tbtoosmoove Місяць тому

      Hakeem is the best defender ever. Jokic is not the best offensive player ever.

    • @JUSTIN_SZN
      @JUSTIN_SZN Місяць тому

      @@tbtoosmoovehe is the best offensive player ever. Watch legend of winning’s video on it.

    • @parkerk06
      @parkerk06 Місяць тому

      ​@@JUSTIN_SZNso steph curry, Michael jordan, and kobe just disappeared

  • @ThaGreatCJ
    @ThaGreatCJ Місяць тому

    Joker is great in his own right…but even if he wins another ring with a Finals MVP he’s not better than Hakeem.

  • @twinnation8129
    @twinnation8129 Місяць тому

    If Jokic was drafted over MJ I’d be pissed as a Rockets fan. Hakeem is the only player you can put on the floor without a single all star and he’ll get you an MVP, FMVP, and a DPOY that same yr. Too much was asked of him and he delivered. Jokic is nice but naa

  • @rasliburd2179
    @rasliburd2179 Місяць тому +1

    Jokic ain't even close

  • @samuelpemberton
    @samuelpemberton Місяць тому

    Jokic’s offense is way better than Hakeem’s defense lmao

    • @tbtoosmoove
      @tbtoosmoove Місяць тому

      So your saying Jokic has the best offense ever? Hakeem is known as the greatest defender ever.

  • @BIGMIKE-mk9ce
    @BIGMIKE-mk9ce Місяць тому

    We don't know how good jokic is because he don't play against other centers 😂😂😂

  • @ruhkdiego
    @ruhkdiego Місяць тому

    So if Hakeem didn’t get back to back who got one 🤔

  • @tstamper1651
    @tstamper1651 Місяць тому

    Wait so jokic is top 10 all time?

  • @LaAmal-mj9ve
    @LaAmal-mj9ve Місяць тому

    Jokic in the 80's and 90's would be average .. Hakeem is the GOAT

  • @berto2310
    @berto2310 Місяць тому +4

    Marz don’t play sports he don’t understand the difference defense really makes

    • @howitzdone8992
      @howitzdone8992 Місяць тому

      🧢

    • @Big_talks.
      @Big_talks. Місяць тому

      It’s makes a difference but if you can’t lead a team it won’t

    • @dontAtMe69420
      @dontAtMe69420 Місяць тому

      he literally played sports overseas...

    • @Alex-wz9ze
      @Alex-wz9ze Місяць тому +2

      @@Big_talks.good thing Hakeem can a lead a team

    • @israel2hotty
      @israel2hotty Місяць тому

      this shitty ass argument.

  • @stephengarcia2315
    @stephengarcia2315 14 днів тому

    Hakeem has back to back finals mvp's

  • @louismclean6662
    @louismclean6662 Місяць тому

    And what world is joker stronger than Hakeem?

  • @vishtakes
    @vishtakes Місяць тому

    Keep going Marz Jokic better than LeBron, Larry, Tim Duncan, right?

  • @JT-km6th
    @JT-km6th Місяць тому

    So Jokic is better than Shaw already?

  • @Kalinbuggs
    @Kalinbuggs Місяць тому

    I have to say Marz won me over

  • @JohnBurgundy
    @JohnBurgundy Місяць тому

    Hakeem played defense? Who comes up with these questions?

  • @bdonell38
    @bdonell38 Місяць тому

    LMFAOOOO Chill tripping Jokic pushing top 5..

  • @SuperSikarlo
    @SuperSikarlo Місяць тому

    If Jokic wins 1 more MVP or FMVP, he is better than Hakeem. The best offensive and defensive center combo.

  • @himmie1
    @himmie1 Місяць тому

    When jokic becomes the beat defensive player of all time then he can be better than Hakeem

  • @DrZachyboi
    @DrZachyboi Місяць тому

    Jokic is dirk nowitzki bird and a 285 pound Kevin mchale all in one. Worthy just called him magic and Kareem on the court simultaneously. You guys love being on the wrong side of history with jokic. Give it 7 years ✌️

  • @5star1z
    @5star1z Місяць тому +50

    Jokic better

    • @JaysPlayDays
      @JaysPlayDays Місяць тому +20

      no. theres 2 legit Centers in todays NBA. one seems to be injured everytime you turn around, and the other one is Jokic. Hakeem would kill both of them. stop the BS

    • @5star1z
      @5star1z Місяць тому +13

      ​@@JaysPlayDays not jokic fault lil bro.

    • @corvoattano7430
      @corvoattano7430 Місяць тому +2

      @@JaysPlayDayscry

    • @JaysPlayDays
      @JaysPlayDays Місяць тому +6

      @@5star1z who mentioned fault? comprehend better. the comment is about lack of true competition slow one

    • @t-god2439
      @t-god2439 Місяць тому

      @@JaysPlayDaysI would also say that is my only nitpick about jokers dominance today. I hope he keeps tearing the league apart so these GMs realise. Basketball is a physical sport and you need real centers

  • @karimw.9954
    @karimw.9954 Місяць тому

    Jokic is one of my favourite players but his fan base is becoming as intolerable as Luka’s.

  • @zukusenryu
    @zukusenryu Місяць тому +3

    It’s way too soon but Jokić averages in the playoffs 27.6/12.2/7.4 on 53%
    1.1 steals and 1 block per game
    Jokić has a lot of prime left to increase these stats because the last 3 years his averages have been better and better.
    Hakeem in the playoffs 25.9/11.2/3.2
    On 53%
    1.7 steals and 3.3 blocks per game
    Hakeem was 7-8 in the first round playoff series which obviously isn’t great. 4-3 in the second round
    Jokić 18 triple doubles in the playoffs to Hakeem’s 1
    It’s a bit closer then people think

    • @JaysPlayDays
      @JaysPlayDays Місяць тому +1

      no. Jokic' triple doubles also give you an idea of the struggles he would have competing vs alot better competition at Center back then.

    • @tebra643
      @tebra643 Місяць тому

      It's close for sure(not for long) but Jokić ALL DAY EVERY DAY 💯

  • @matthewparker9802
    @matthewparker9802 Місяць тому

    Jokic is closing in on lebron

  • @RKM_DarKo
    @RKM_DarKo Місяць тому +15

    Believing Hakeem's defense is better than Jokic's offense is actually autistic. If you had a team with a big man that had Hakeem's defense... They're an 8th seed at best.. Jokic, without being even as good of a defender as he is now, took a G league roster to the western semi-finals. The goal of the game is to put the ball in the basket, and Jokic helps his team do that better than any other big man in the history of the sport.

    • @arronfrazier7873
      @arronfrazier7873 Місяць тому +2

      @@ynhoops2845 Don't forget! They were down twice, 2 to 0 in two of those series, in that playoff run!

    • @RKM_DarKo
      @RKM_DarKo Місяць тому

      @ynhoops2845 you don't know how to read, do you? Find where I was talking about Hakeem. I believe I said "a big with Hakeems defense"... meaning not the actual guy. I was speaking on the hypothetical that Ron brought up. Read and think before responding. It's good that you asked what I was talking about because you didn't actually know.

    • @RKM_DarKo
      @RKM_DarKo Місяць тому

      @@arronfrazier7873 irrelevant to my point regardless

    • @elmztana1201
      @elmztana1201 Місяць тому

      Rudy Hobert took Utah and t wolves 1st in the league and 1st in defence with no offensive bag.
      Hakeem is miles better then Rudy at defence

    • @JaysPlayDays
      @JaysPlayDays Місяць тому +1

      @@ynhoops2845 6th seed

  • @Sldumas1983
    @Sldumas1983 Місяць тому

    No debat, Hakeem was a 2 Way player and and ummmm nobody could stop him in the post and players like MJ and Kobe and a few others use the Dream Shake, Hakeem was a tough rough Dog and if you tried him he would put those hands on you like Shaq said I could break Hakeem I tried, I love Joker but let’s give him more time before we start comparing remember this NBA is very soft compared to yesterdays players.

  • @gb1style
    @gb1style Місяць тому

    Are you crazy people ???
    The best defensive center
    The best offensive arsenal
    The most physically gifted
    The most complete player not named MJ
    The 3rd best player of all time
    People you are crazy

  • @haraldurstad4786
    @haraldurstad4786 Місяць тому +2

    Classic, black guys putting Jokic down. Sorry but you will swallow the truth obe day that Jokic will ve the goat of centers