I think the location of impact is having an effect on the killing power of a lot of these shots. Most of the hits shown here are coming down the centreline, where they'll be triggered on impact with the superstructure (note how many #2 turrets and funnels get broken), effectively exploding relatively harmlesslyy above the deck. Compare the shots that killed the Roma, which detonated inside or below the ship, causing fires and floods that rapidly dragged the ship down. Ironically, our pilot here may be being too accurate XD
Battleships as a whole may be obsolete. But you cannot deny the fact that their armour is anything but. (I never said the armour is invulnerable. Just more resistant to modern systems.)
She is hard to knock out, relativity. But now imagine facing more than one carrier, like few squadrons of those ground attackers. Even the Yamato, mightiest of the big seven, fell under the hands of endless waves of torpedo bombers.
@@user-do5zk6jh1k some modern missile like taurus KEPD which are configured for "Bunker Buster" purpose would plow through ww2 battleship deck armor though, would be a sight to see theme included in WT.
Fun fact. The Kirov Battlecruisers (Think oversized Destroyers the size of a small battleship) perhaps one of the most powerful warships ever put to sea crews were terrified of the prospect of taking on a IOWA. This was due to the ungodly amount of punishment the ship could tank. Lack of armor was also a factor. If a IOWA got close enough one shell was enough to put a one way trip to its new reef location.
IOWA's have re entered service because USA is terrified of Kirov Battlecruisers with it's Carrier killer missile the Granite. 1 missile could cripple or sink a Carrier.
@@johnbamba3052 To be honest most weapons by the 70s could cripple a carrier. Kirov officers in interviews actually had said when the IOWA"s were active again they were horrified of the possibility of encountering one cause there was nothing much in there arsenal that could reliably kill one even a nuke. Other than pissing it off. By the 80s it was worth more to cripple a ship not necessarily sink it.
@@AlphaBravoCheeseCake nope that's reality. There was interviews done with soviet seamen and they pretty much stated they were terrified of encountering a IOWA as much of the Kirov weapons couldnt reliably damage the Battleship enough to make a kill before it got close enough to hit them. Also the BBs had long range weapons as well not just the main guns. They had a variety of long range missiles as well and a helicopter. This was not something a Kirov would want to tango with. Sure they might be able to sink it, but more than likely the cruiser would be either joining the Iowa or be so crippled it might as well be a pyrrhic victory due to the damage the IOWA would have done to the Kirov and its crew. It's literally a battle not worth fighting and the Kirov captains and crews knew it
Most aircraft guided missiles aren't designed to sink something this big, and if on top one doesn't use the aim correction -to, say, go hit at the waterline, or ammo reserves, and target the superstructure, it's pretty normal none does actually do much damage, if at all. Still, nice to see what a targeting by default does.
True, but most ASMs aren’t built to sink ships period. They’re deigned to destroy critical components and start fires to force a ship to either be scuttled or disengage.
Except the Harpoon has a popup mode to strike the deck or superstructure. Hit an Iowa or any battleship with a dozen of these and she's limping home, on fire, and combat ineffective. You don't have to sink a surface combatant to kill it.
I wonder, could the modernized Iowa-class ships hold out against a Ticonderoga CG? It's certainly faster *if* it pushes the boilers to top speed and it has missile defense systems with tomahawks and harpoons ready and armed Not to mention it would probably take a lot of hits for it to sink
They spruance-class with the same whole form in engineering, could wind out to better than 40 knots! Iowa and her sisters could do 35 on a good day. A flight to Ticonderoga could conceivably be loaded with more than 50 Tomahawk and Harpoon missile, which could be set to home on Jam or home on radar to strike a Target like say in Iowa. And the Spy one on a ticonderoga-class could start picking up a track it better than 150 miles without using or helicopter to spot. Having steamed with two of the Iowa's, and with about fifteen of the ticonderoga-class and Iowa would scare the hell out of the bad guys but only when the big guns got in range, a Tycho can reach out past 200 miles with Tomahawk and nearly to 100 with harpoon, 32 standard missile, and over 125 with the helicopter and it's missiles
The Iowa probably wouldn't sink from getting bombarded by Tomahawks, but you wouldn't have much use for what's left of the Iowa anyway. Just because a ship floats doesn't mean you can fight with it.
Most modern weapons are not designed to penetrate 12 or more inches of armor . most ww2 battleships were sunk by torpedoes. the severe bomb damage done at Pearl Harbor was mostly done by battleship shells with bomb fins attached so it would drop as a bomb. Most modern weapons would damage the superstructure but probably would not penetrate the hull or the armored main turrets.
The Fritz X was a penetrator Bomb, the base was a PC1400, a "Panzerbombe Cylindrisch" with 1400kg. That means a thickwalled APHE Bomb with cylindershape. They adjustet the fuse not perfect and some of the fritz-X exploded under the warship.
As in principle, and not a specialized weapon. But I would like to see how anti-ship missiles work... Or even better-hypersonic. Hypersonic opened the ammunition storage with anti-atomic protection IRL
Maverick missiles are made to kill tanks, and some variants of them can hit ships. I find it hard to believe the maverick missile would have any trouble punching through the belt armored of a battleship. Sure, it won't do much damage because of the warhead size, but sending a dozen Hornets loaded with four a piece will put a hurting even on the most heavily armored ships. Second, laser guided munitions would gut any battleship especially if dropped from high altitude.
Kind of ridiculous. The Kongo wasn't really a Battleship, it was an up-gunned battlecruiser based on the British Splendid class and it had relatively poor protection, for a *battlecruiser*. It had a fraction of a real Battleships armour. Those Fritz-X sunk the Italian flagship the Roma and very, very nearly sunk the Warspite with a single hit.
While this is true, the Fritz X was a bit of a gimmick against which very easy countermeasures exist. The battleships sat on a steady course, didn't have modern radar AA fire control systems, and didn't know they were in danger. Simple radio jamming stops a Friz-X in its tracks, as would concentrated 5"/38 fire.
Yeah, the problem seems to be that he's striking center mass, which means that the Fritz-X has to go through multiple layers of superstructure before hitting the main belt and being stopped, but, well, that's just my theory
The Kongo class was not defensively deficient as a Battle cruiser, as shown in the following table. Invincible class (1909, 152mm) Indifatigable class (1911, 152mm) Lion class (1912, 229mm) Kongo class (1913, 203mm) Renown class (1916, 152mm) Hood (1920, 305mm) Furthermore, the Kongo that exists in War Thunder is from 1944, at which point the Kongo has already been converted to a battleship.
Harpoon has about a 500 lb warhead, comparable to some of the above bombs. Neptune is a 330 lb warhead. Against these armored monsters from WW2, probably won't be very effective, unless you get a lucky top hit and blow the magazines. Modern ships don't have armor like this anymore.
@@mackgiver875 I honestly don't think it'd be that much of a problem. Small aircraft carried bombs and torpedoes that could defeat battleship armor 80 years ago. It wouldn't take much for any modern navy to be able to do it again.
@@toddlytodd Not reading what I wrote. A modern navy won't have to "do it again" because nobody makes warships with 7000 tons of its displacement made up of steel armor plate. Modern naval ships are easier to kill than the old WW2 battleships...if you can hit them.
I know it's War Thunder, Fritz X was a 1,000 kg Glide bomb that did not have propulsion it did have a flare in the tail for the bomb aimer to be able to guide it
Rendering a ship combat ineffective rather then destroying outright is often preferable in a WWII scenario, as a damaged ship will continue to drain enemy logistics of space, manpower, and resources for an extended period and thus lessen same for fully operational assets. It’s a numbers game.
Yes but as to where the Damage is on the ship, it can still potentially fight back. Your view of an injured soldier that takes not only him but also the guys that have to take care of him doesn’t work in this case.
@@Cipher00007 / Whereas if you seriously damage 1 ship you require weeks or months of dry dock and displace other ships, massive resources that could be allocated elsewhere, and the specialized labor of hundreds of people that could have been contributing to offensive ops. You glossed over the key verbiage: COMBAT INEFFECTIVE.
Perhaps a modernized Kongo would have made the stakes higher? Since she's British built, it would interesting to see how she'd do with a Sea Cat, Sea Wolf, Sea Dart or even an Aster launcher to fight back with! Maybe a couple of CIWS mounts too?
@@chiefturion7134 , I did. She was built in Great Britain. I believe she was one of the last Japanese warships built there as well. The other 3 of the class were built in Japan though.
@@chiefturion7134 To further on his point he's correct. Kongou was the *last* Japanese warship built in a foreign port, her three sisters would be built at home and all ships from then-on would be built in the home islands. Just removing the uncertainty from his statement.
I don't know if modern fighters can carry torpedoes to attack battleships. I have to admit that the armor of the battleship is very strong, but it may still be difficult to defend against anti-ship missiles.
@@WT_Wolf a MK48 torpedo is a guided bomb. It is wire guided , using sonar . It also can be programmed to go after a ship's signature. That is a frequency generated by the vibrations of machineery through the hull and every ship has it's own frequency that is similar to a finger print on each human. A MK48 can miss a target but turn around and attack the target. Throw in a 50 mile range and the IJN Kongo is dead.
would be a big ass target for modern cruise /anti ship missile with bunker buster configuration, something like taurus KEPD (trust me it will plow through their deck armor), we shall learn something from sinking of Moskva cruiser...
@@IndoLiberation not really it would be a valuable asset like carriers it will have escorts.. when I say relevant meaning it has modern weaponry attack and defence capability.. and replace those main guns with rail guns.
@@adeptusastartes1392 As lightly armoured as ships are today, we wouldnt' need such big guns or even build them that big. We could just do Nuclear Pocket Battleships. Here's an idea for a ship. Displacement- 30,000 Tons Dimensions: Length- 240 Meters, Beam- 28 Meters, Draft- 9 Meters Crew- 2,000 Armament -Six 12-inch Guns on two Triple Turrets -Eight 5-inch Guns on Single Turrets -2 RUR-5 Anti-Submarine Rocket Launcher Turrets -4 Phalanx CIWS Cannons -4 SeaRAM Missile Launchers -1 Mk41 Vertical Launch Missile System (Tomahawk Missiles) -20 Dual M2 Browning Machine Guns Armour: Belt- 12 Inches, Deck- 6 Inches, Barbette/Turrets- 12 Inches, Bridge- 10 Inches Propulsion- 4 Propellors, 2 Rudders Speed- 32 Knots
In my Navy days late 80s my ship : Perry class Frigate was under way with the Missouri, between Long Beach and Pearl. The battle group was doing computer simulations of our ship attacking a battleship. According to the simulation we scored a lucky hit on the Missouri with a Harpoon missile causing minimal damage to the Missouri. The Missouri turned its 16 inch main battery towards us and flashed a message to our signal man advising: your dead. If we went to war against the Communist Russian Navy, they wouldn't have stood a chance taking on the Iowa class Battleships.
The Russians designed nuclear torpedoes because of the Iowa class battleship. Virtually nothing else in their inventory could significantly hurt an Iowa. Even today, most anti warship weapons would be ineffective against the heavy armor of a battleship. Yes, weapons exist that can kill a battleship, but we would have to redevelop them.
True but if I’m not mistaken, battleships of that era had an auxiliary command center where they would send shots somewhere within the hull, I’m not an expert & I’m certain not all ships had that but I digress
@@kahbronne7834 True in battle they would stear and command the ship from an auxiliary bridge wich was specialy fitted with loads of armor and there was a combat information center (CIC) or action information centre (AIC) wich was located on the main deck and center of ship and under the bridge sandwiched in alot of armor also. So that said modern weapons wouldnt be all that effective on taking out command, best option for a big battle ship like that is to do what they did to the Bismark take out its screws (propelleres) or rudder's or both then it's a sitting duck then you just keep on pummeling it until it's a floating inferno and no matter how hard they fight too take out the fires it will be in vane.USA's motto, hit hard hit fast hit often! Eventually something is gonna give. Most think that flooding is a ships worst problem no its not thats the easiest to overcome it's fires that are a real threat.
When I fire my Fritz-X at any kind of battleship, I aim for the aft citadel since the armor at a back of a battleship seems to be less effective. I need 1-2 bombs to kill any kind of battleship with a Fritz-X except I fuck up and miss my point I was aiming for.
yeah modern ships arent anywhere near as armored as even older cruisers were..... modern ships rely on not being seen or interception systems and manueverability.
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battleship-uss-missouri-bb-63 ? )))))
@@joaoguilherme9034 Нет! Это создатели азиатского порно!
青ぺジオの金剛だったらどうなるんやろうw
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考えてみりゃ14インチ級の主砲弾が800kgほどですからちょっとした誘導弾じゃ致命傷にならないのも無理ないですよね…
そもそものはなし上から狙ってるのが間違い。途中から水面下へ潜って魚雷みたいにどっかーんだったら逝ってたかもしれん
@@G_shikakata 甲板の方が装甲薄いんじゃないん？
@@user-oy6jj5pq6b 魚雷みたいに水面下からドカーンッて行けば大ダメージ与えれるやろなって(水雷脳
@@G_shikakata なるへそ
@@G_shikakata 水面下からドカンはアメリカの魚雷の話だな。センサー類が貧弱で成功例が少ないと聞いたけど。だけど金剛が作られた時代は水平装甲薄いから真上からは結構致命傷ですよ。問題は前期型なのか後期型なのかがわからん。
この中に一つだけ金剛と同世代のやつがいるってマ？
同世代というなら、大和型ですわ…金剛型自体は、オールド・レディのウォースパイトや、ガングートと同じ年代ですからね…世代でいうとかなりのオンボロ戦艦です(オンボロでも役に立ってる)ドイツでいうと、ケーニヒ級ですから
Surprised to see the Fritz X didn't do much, considering it did sunk the Italian Battleship Roma.
I think the location of impact is having an effect on the killing power of a lot of these shots. Most of the hits shown here are coming down the centreline, where they'll be triggered on impact with the superstructure (note how many #2 turrets and funnels get broken), effectively exploding relatively harmlesslyy above the deck. Compare the shots that killed the Roma, which detonated inside or below the ship, causing fires and floods that rapidly dragged the ship down.
Ironically, our pilot here may be being too accurate XD
More than one Fritz X was used-and the ship suffered a magazine explosion.
You can have luck or bad luck - Hood was blowed up by Bismark with first hits - bad luck. The Bismark took a lot of hits to sink - good luck.
because theres no bomb penetration in game, they just explode on the deck or superstructure
@@zvin1611 really? Why do I see penetration statistics on them? And air to ground missles?
太平洋戦争時は老朽艦で、榛名に至ってはレイテ海戦時全速発揮して26ノットしかでなかったり、金剛は魚雷2発で沈んだりと結構なロートル戦艦だったのに、現代航空兵器を打ち込んで中々沈まないとか……
Battleships as a whole may be obsolete. But you cannot deny the fact that their armour is anything but.
(I never said the armour is invulnerable. Just more resistant to modern systems.)
put CIWS on a battleship troll the libs
But IJN Kongo is a battlecruiser, not a battleship. Means she's medium armored.
@@kennethheres5643 でも途中で戦艦に艦種変更されてませんでしたっけ？
still outdated and obsolete.
@@kennethheres5643
She was modernized to a fast battleship.
金剛「戦艦がそう簡単に沈むか！」
それ金剛やなくてミズーリやwww
比叡｢そうっすね…｣
榛名｢まぁ……確かに｡｣
霧島(？)｢＼(^o^)／ｲｰｼﾞｽﾃﾞｽ｣
錨下ろしてドリフトですね笑
また俺得動画を…！
ありがとうございます…。
バイタルパートを貫通することは難しくとも、上部構造を破壊して戦闘不能にすることは出来そうだ。
理屈上、主砲と司令塔以外の上部構造物が更地になってもバイタルパートさえ無事なら戦闘能力喪失しないのが当時の軍艦ですがね…
戦艦が簡単に沈むか!
ってセリフを思い出します笑
バトルシップは良いよな…というより仮にもうん十年前の軍艦を砲撃で沈めれない異星人ェ……
@@ranhou1111CHAOS
まぁ技術の差があるとは言え、被弾を前提に建造されてる大型艦なんでね、簡単には沈まない
@@syrup-_-9858 ㄴㄴ 미국과 일본이랑 싸웠을때 야마모토 전함이 겨우 미국의 전투기의 폭탄에 ㅁㅏㅈ아서 침몰한 적도 있음.
そもそも極厚の装甲を持つ戦闘艦にミサイルが対応してないです。
今の戦闘艦なら機銃で沈むでしょうけど・・・
バトルシップ！。
実際の2000lb爆弾ともなると撃沈は無理でも戦闘不能に追い込むのは容易そうですね。
艦橋やられたら戦闘不能になるだろうな。それか船尾。
1tの爆弾なんて喰らえば現代艦ならよほど撃角が甘くない限り竜骨への損傷は免れない。竜骨が折れれば沈没は不可避だし、そうでなくとも高確率でバイタルパートに何らかのダメージを受ける。ただ、閉鎖措置をしっかりしておけば例え船体が二つに割れてもすぐには沈没しないのが軍艦なので、おっしゃる通り「撃沈は難しくとも戦闘不能は容易」だと思います。
ただ、艦橋がやられても即戦闘不能になる訳ではありません。
@@ddg1752 艦橋がやられても銭闘不能にならないんですか？
@@rondomika5562 理屈上、主砲と司令塔以外の構造物が全滅しても戦闘は可能です。特に戦艦のように大型で圧倒的な戦闘能力を持つ艦なら最低限戦力を発揮する電源や射撃用の計算機などは重装甲のバイタルパート内に集約されていますし、艦長がやられても副長が堅い司令塔にいるので指揮能力も失う事はありません。
艦橋のてっぺんにある測距儀が使えなくなるのは大変具合が悪いですが砲側にも測距儀がついているので射撃はできます。
@@ddg1752 戦艦でも艦橋を失ったらかなり厳しいのでは無いでしょうか。
アメリカ以外の国の戦艦は硬い装甲化された司令塔とは別に戦闘指揮所や艦隊指揮所、航海指揮所を設ける事が多いので無防備に近いです。なぜ装甲司令塔とは別の所に指揮所を設けるかと言うと、かなりの重量物である装甲指揮所によって船の重心が高くならないよう低い所に設置する必要があるので、砲塔が邪魔で航海や戦闘指揮には視界がかなり悪いためです。
航海指揮や戦闘指揮が不能に陥れば戦闘不能は免れないかと。
実例ではデンマーク海峡海戦のプリンス・オブ・ウェールズやソロモン海戦のサウスダコタは各武装や設備は健在だったのにも関わらず、戦闘指揮所や測距儀の被弾によって戦闘不能に陥ってます。青葉やサンフランシスコも艦橋の司令部に被弾して戦闘不能になってますね。
0:52無慈悲すぎて草
500キロを超える爆弾は、水平装甲の薄い大和型以前の戦艦には致命傷になります。大和型でも、測距装置や指揮装備は非装甲ですから戦闘継続力は削がれてしまいます。
500kg爆弾即ち
砲弾だと12inch(30.5cm)砲弾のやや重量弾位になるな。
250kg爆弾は10inch砲弾位として
@@corjioono7463 VP貫通出来るか知らんけど炸薬量が500ｋｇだから爆発力はもっとありそう
そうね、空から落下させて軌道を修整する意味合いが強い空対地ミサイルや爆弾と艦砲では意味合いが異なるから
5:38ちなみにこの爆弾は同世代で枢軸国から逃げたイタリアの戦艦ローマに直撃させて沈めたのが有名な戦果ですね。
枢軸国から逃げた（強調）
やはり戦艦は偉大な存在や
頑丈さしか取り柄がない
@@rakkasei622 あんたあの立派なモノが見えとらんのか！？
0:53
*missile boat runs out of ammo*
Kongo: “that’s cute” *literally evaporates the missile boat*
0:31
「えいえいｗ怒った?ｗ」
金剛「怒ってないよ」
「えいえいえいｗ」
金剛「このガキっ!ｵﾗｧ!!」
0:52 容赦のない反撃！ 笑った😆
Interesting thing about the IJN Kongo is that it's gunnery crews were superb shots.
機銃掃射のシーン普通にかっこいい
They named Kongo the "Indestructible Diamond" for a reason
She is hard to knock out, relativity. But now imagine facing more than one carrier, like few squadrons of those ground attackers. Even the Yamato, mightiest of the big seven, fell under the hands of endless waves of torpedo bombers.
US working torpedoes beg to see a difference
@@user-do5zk6jh1k exactly, torpedoes were meant to kill heavily armored vessels.
@@user-do5zk6jh1k but a B-2 will
@@user-do5zk6jh1k some modern missile like taurus KEPD which are configured for "Bunker Buster" purpose would plow through ww2 battleship deck armor though, would be a sight to see theme included in WT.
Fritz X 誘導爆弾は実際に降伏したイタリア海軍の戦艦ローマを２発での撃沈に成功しています
戦艦が簡単に沈むかって言葉を思い出した
敵弾が当たる前提でボディを造ってるね
バトルシップで有名なシーン。
The phantom gun run was super cinematic.
アメリカの戦後の報告書かなんかで超音速対艦ミサイルで戦艦の装甲は突破可能ってのがあった気がするから最近話題のツィルコンとかだと衝撃力だけで相当なダメージになりそう
あとマーヴェリックにも確か成形炸薬じゃない運動エネルギーを用いた徹甲榴弾タイプもあったしWTにはまともな大型対艦ミサイルもないからそれでまた変わりそう
F-1に来ないかな
一応シミュレートで超音速弾で大和の舷側ぬけるらしいです。
極超音速兵器とか実質AP系の砲弾に近い運動エネルギーを持ってるしな
バンカーバスターとかサーモバリック使えばいけそう
dude just showed off about $1000 worth of planes 😂
貫通能力の高い誘導爆弾だとかなりのダメは入れられそうだが。対艦ミサイルでも上部構造物は吹っ飛ぶだろうし、何より火災で痛めつけられる。
Fun fact. The Kirov Battlecruisers (Think oversized Destroyers the size of a small battleship) perhaps one of the most powerful warships ever put to sea crews were terrified of the prospect of taking on a IOWA. This was due to the ungodly amount of punishment the ship could tank. Lack of armor was also a factor. If a IOWA got close enough one shell was enough to put a one way trip to its new reef location.
IOWA's have re entered service because USA is terrified of Kirov Battlecruisers with it's Carrier killer missile the Granite. 1 missile could cripple or sink a Carrier.
@@johnbamba3052 To be honest most weapons by the 70s could cripple a carrier.
Kirov officers in interviews actually had said when the IOWA"s were active again they were horrified of the possibility of encountering one cause there was nothing much in there arsenal that could reliably kill one even a nuke. Other than pissing it off.
By the 80s it was worth more to cripple a ship not necessarily sink it.
@@johnbamba3052 Iowa's are not re-entering service.
Nice fan fiction.
@@AlphaBravoCheeseCake nope that's reality. There was interviews done with soviet seamen and they pretty much stated they were terrified of encountering a IOWA as much of the Kirov weapons couldnt reliably damage the Battleship enough to make a kill before it got close enough to hit them. Also the BBs had long range weapons as well not just the main guns. They had a variety of long range missiles as well and a helicopter. This was not something a Kirov would want to tango with. Sure they might be able to sink it, but more than likely the cruiser would be either joining the Iowa or be so crippled it might as well be a pyrrhic victory due to the damage the IOWA would have done to the Kirov and its crew. It's literally a battle not worth fighting and the Kirov captains and crews knew it
金剛が美しすぎる
ファントムが撃ち落とされるなんて😓
トマホーク一発の炸薬量が450kgで一発1.8億円に対して金剛は現代の価値に直して220億円くらい。似た炸薬のBGL-1000で瞬殺。
そりゃ戦艦が無くなるわけだ。
戦艦がそんな安いはずは・・・
@@St-wood いいえ当時の金剛の購入金額は2,417,100ポンドですので現代の価値に直しておよそレートにもよりますが約220億円です
なるほど。参考にさせていただきます。
古い時代の兵器のユニットコストを現代の価値に換算すると幾らになるのかと、その兵器を今造ったらいくら掛かるかでは、全く違う結果になりそうですね。
同じ読みでもこんごう型の値段は1200億円ぐらいしますから。
やっぱり確実に倒すにはF-4Eに750lbs〜2000lbsの無誘導爆弾ガン積みが正解か。
FAB-3000 exists for such situation
그냥 현대 전투기만 들어가도 침몰할듯
it would be cool if the ship had delayed and subsequent explosions instead of a all at once explosion.
Most aircraft guided missiles aren't designed to sink something this big, and if on top one doesn't use the aim correction -to, say, go hit at the waterline, or ammo reserves, and target the superstructure, it's pretty normal none does actually do much damage, if at all.
Still, nice to see what a targeting by default does.
True, but most ASMs aren’t built to sink ships period. They’re deigned to destroy critical components and start fires to force a ship to either be scuttled or disengage.
I think modern torpedoes though can still sink or disable a large ship. I heard most modern torpedoes are designed to break a ship's keel
@@josevictorionunez9312 True, but this was more about aircraft ordinance.
Except the Harpoon has a popup mode to strike the deck or superstructure. Hit an Iowa or any battleship with a dozen of these and she's limping home, on fire, and combat ineffective. You don't have to sink a surface combatant to kill it.
戦艦を沈めるのって本当に大変そう。
This video format is amazing and we need more of it for war thunder
「戦艦が簡単に沈むか！」
4:26～フォークランド紛争の時に駆逐艦が戦闘機に肉薄されてる映像思い出した
I wonder, could the modernized Iowa-class ships hold out against a Ticonderoga CG? It's certainly faster *if* it pushes the boilers to top speed and it has missile defense systems with tomahawks and harpoons ready and armed
Not to mention it would probably take a lot of hits for it to sink
They spruance-class with the same whole form in engineering, could wind out to better than 40 knots! Iowa and her sisters could do 35 on a good day. A flight to Ticonderoga could conceivably be loaded with more than 50 Tomahawk and Harpoon missile, which could be set to home on Jam or home on radar to strike a Target like say in Iowa. And the Spy one on a ticonderoga-class could start picking up a track it better than 150 miles without using or helicopter to spot. Having steamed with two of the Iowa's, and with about fifteen of the ticonderoga-class and Iowa would scare the hell out of the bad guys but only when the big guns got in range, a Tycho can reach out past 200 miles with Tomahawk and nearly to 100 with harpoon, 32 standard missile, and over 125 with the helicopter and it's missiles
The Iowa probably wouldn't sink from getting bombarded by Tomahawks, but you wouldn't have much use for what's left of the Iowa anyway. Just because a ship floats doesn't mean you can fight with it.
Most modern weapons are not designed to penetrate 12 or more inches of armor . most ww2 battleships were sunk by torpedoes. the severe bomb damage done at Pearl Harbor was mostly done by battleship shells with bomb fins attached so it would drop as a bomb. Most modern weapons would damage the superstructure but probably would not penetrate the hull or the armored main turrets.
The Fritz X was a penetrator Bomb, the base was a PC1400, a "Panzerbombe Cylindrisch" with 1400kg. That means a thickwalled APHE Bomb with cylindershape.
They adjustet the fuse not perfect and some of the fritz-X exploded under the warship.
As in principle, and not a specialized weapon. But I would like to see how anti-ship missiles work... Or even better-hypersonic. Hypersonic opened the ammunition storage with anti-atomic protection IRL
Maverick missiles are made to kill tanks, and some variants of them can hit ships. I find it hard to believe the maverick missile would have any trouble punching through the belt armored of a battleship. Sure, it won't do much damage because of the warhead size, but sending a dozen Hornets loaded with four a piece will put a hurting even on the most heavily armored ships. Second, laser guided munitions would gut any battleship especially if dropped from high altitude.
Fritz X sank the Battleship Roma with one hit and severely damaged HMS Warspite.
@@OverlordAntares I doubt a Maverick could go through 14 inches of armour.
ていうか、ミサイルの命中精度すごいな
Migの主翼ガタガタで怖すぎる()
金剛は「ダイヤモンドシールド」として生まれ変わったらミサイルや爆弾は迎撃出来るから無問題
大型の対艦ミサイルであれば、致命打になりそうですね。
尚大和型(チート級戦艦)は除く
@@fa_kindo1102 副砲にP700とか800ポーンで意外とダメージを与えれたりする
装甲厚で見たら対戦車兵器になら一通り貫通されるくらいなんだよね
@@user-km9qm8pp5r 貫通する(炸薬が足りない)
@@fa_kindo1102 装甲厚で見たら←ここ大事、有効打になるとは言っていない（めんどくさい奴）
じゃけんソ連の対空母ミサイル持ってきましょうねー
Kind of ridiculous. The Kongo wasn't really a Battleship, it was an up-gunned battlecruiser based on the British Splendid class and it had relatively poor protection, for a *battlecruiser*. It had a fraction of a real Battleships armour.
Those Fritz-X sunk the Italian flagship the Roma and very, very nearly sunk the Warspite with a single hit.
While this is true, the Fritz X was a bit of a gimmick against which very easy countermeasures exist. The battleships sat on a steady course, didn't have modern radar AA fire control systems, and didn't know they were in danger. Simple radio jamming stops a Friz-X in its tracks, as would concentrated 5"/38 fire.
to be fair warthunder crews are ridiculously good at fighting fires. That fire from the fritz would have burned for hours if put out at all.
Yeah, the problem seems to be that he's striking center mass, which means that the Fritz-X has to go through multiple layers of superstructure before hitting the main belt and being stopped, but, well, that's just my theory
@@jevinliu4658 Superstructure is pretty flimsy by comparison, only parts of it were armoured.
The Kongo class was not defensively deficient as a Battle cruiser, as shown in the following table.
Invincible class (1909, 152mm)
Indifatigable class (1911, 152mm)
Lion class (1912, 229mm)
Kongo class (1913, 203mm)
Renown class (1916, 152mm)
Hood (1920, 305mm)
Furthermore, the Kongo that exists in War Thunder is from 1944, at which point the Kongo has already been converted to a battleship.
次は第二次大戦時の米空母をトマホークで・・・
いえなんでもないです
「戦艦が簡単に沈むか！」
というか映画のセリフを思い出しました
I can't imagine how destructive are the harpoon and neptune against modern ship.
Harpoon has about a 500 lb warhead, comparable to some of the above bombs. Neptune is a 330 lb warhead. Against these armored monsters from WW2, probably won't be very effective, unless you get a lucky top hit and blow the magazines. Modern ships don't have armor like this anymore.
@@mackgiver875 so that..neptune that hits Moskva was very lucky
@@a_damska Moskva was a modern cruiser not a WW2 battleship with thousands of tons of steel armor plate plastered all over it.
@@mackgiver875 I honestly don't think it'd be that much of a problem. Small aircraft carried bombs and torpedoes that could defeat battleship armor 80 years ago. It wouldn't take much for any modern navy to be able to do it again.
@@toddlytodd Not reading what I wrote. A modern navy won't have to "do it again" because nobody makes warships with 7000 tons of its displacement made up of steel armor plate. Modern naval ships are easier to kill than the old WW2 battleships...if you can hit them.
500キロ級の爆発は美しいな
現代の水上艦と戦中の戦艦が戦ったら、引き分けになる理由が分かった気がする。
流石に現代の水上艦が影も踏ませず圧勝しそう
攻撃を当てられない船vs有効打を与えられない船=弾切れ
艦橋狙われたらなぁ…
@@mottii トマホークが命中すれば普通にめちゃめちゃ有効打では？
バイタルパートが貫通できなくても艦橋に一発で無力化できますし
@@Reverb_Fleet 艦橋がどうなろうが上官が死ぬだけで戦艦の機能に支障は無いだろ。
まぁこれ対艦ミサイルじゃなくて空対地ミサイルだからね。
装甲を打ち破るとか考えていないんだろうね。
地中貫通爆弾とか使えば即爆散なんだろうけど。
今の船は装甲薄いから対艦ミサイルもそこまで貫徹力はないと思うな
@@user-pd1bk5xo9w このコメントした後に一度調べてみたんだけど、一応、対艦ミサイルの主な弾頭は徹甲榴弾だからそれなりに貫徹力はある。
でも弾薬じゃなくてミサイルだから弾速=威力という兵器の世界では鉄鋼榴弾の弾頭でも対艦ミサイルが戦艦の装甲を貫通することはできないだろうね。
ブリムストーンとかの成形炸薬弾頭を積んだ空対地ミサイルのほうが貫徹力はあるかも。
でも艦船に成形炸薬が命中したところで意味ないから、戦艦にミサイルは意味ないってことになる。
要するに大艦巨砲主義は神って事。
@@user-hb9em7xc6c まぁ汎用性がないから廃れただけででかい船に分厚い装甲とどでかい大砲つければ強いっていうのは今も変わりませんからねぇ...
@@user-hb9em7xc6c
つ broach or 新型シーバスター or 旧ソ連のどでかおもおも超音速対艦ミサイル群
@@user-tu3lx5kg3m 超質量超音速対艦ミサイルなら余裕で抜けると思われる。
I know it's War Thunder, Fritz X was a 1,000 kg Glide bomb that did not have propulsion it did have a flare in the tail for the bomb aimer to be able to guide it
0:53 圧倒的な火力差を見せつけられる哀れな小舟
まさに
戦艦が簡単に沈むか！
だわ
でも実際ヘルファイア対艦ミサイルもボートとか小型艇向けだし……こういうことなんだろうなぁ
大和の４６サンチ砲弾も炸薬はわずか30~50kgですからね
2000ポンド級2発でようやく致命傷になるあたりほんと戦艦ってバケモンだな
フリッツX投下してるこの動画唯一のレシプロ機ドイツ爆撃機 He-117 A-5ってなってるけどこれHe177 A-5のミスでは？
報告ありがとうございます！正しくは177ですね。概要欄に訂正箇所についての追記しました。一応タイムスタンプではHe 177表示にしてあります。
So now imagine a yamato with modern ciws and missile silos.
i do like that the mig27 looked like it had shoddy wing structure lol added to the realism of russian Qaul control
戦艦には横からの攻撃より甲板の上に爆弾落とした方がいい
Rendering a ship combat ineffective rather then destroying outright is often preferable in a WWII scenario, as a damaged ship will continue to drain enemy logistics of space, manpower, and resources for an extended period and thus lessen same for fully operational assets. It’s a numbers game.
Yes but as to where the Damage is on the ship, it can still potentially fight back.
Your view of an injured soldier that takes not only him but also the guys that have to take care of him doesn’t work in this case.
@@Cipher00007 / Whereas if you seriously damage 1 ship you require weeks or months of dry dock and displace other ships, massive resources that could be allocated elsewhere, and the specialized labor of hundreds of people that could have been contributing to offensive ops. You glossed over the key verbiage: COMBAT INEFFECTIVE.
Perhaps a modernized Kongo would have made the stakes higher? Since she's British built, it would interesting to see how she'd do with a Sea Cat, Sea Wolf, Sea Dart or even an Aster launcher to fight back with! Maybe a couple of CIWS mounts too?
Did you say the Kongo was British built?
@@chiefturion7134 , I did. She was built in Great Britain. I believe she was one of the last Japanese warships built there as well. The other 3 of the class were built in Japan though.
@@albertoswald8461 wow I never knew that, thanks for the info
@@chiefturion7134 To further on his point he's correct. Kongou was the *last* Japanese warship built in a foreign port, her three sisters would be built at home and all ships from then-on would be built in the home islands. Just removing the uncertainty from his statement.
FritzX はローマを沈めてるし普通に通るかと思ってた
I don't know if modern fighters can carry torpedoes to attack battleships. I have to admit that the armor of the battleship is very strong, but it may still be difficult to defend against anti-ship missiles.
ミサイルに徹甲弾搭載できたらもっとダメージ出せそう（小並感）
ps5版のウォーサンダー
やってるけどこういうシュミレーター的な事ってどうやってやるのか、誰か教えてほしい
Four wire guided MK48 torpedos and she is toast. Apparently no one thought to use a submarine.
There is no submarine in this game, and the concept of the video is to attack Kongo with a guided bomb in the first place.
@@WT_Wolf a MK48 torpedo is a guided bomb. It is wire guided , using sonar . It also can be programmed to go after a ship's signature. That is a frequency generated by the vibrations of machineery through the hull and every ship has it's own frequency that is similar to a finger print on each human. A MK48 can miss a target but turn around and attack the target. Throw in a 50 mile range and the IJN Kongo is dead.
War
Has changed
IJN Kongo vs Asteroid next?
大艦巨砲時代の戦艦の凄さ
現代の巡洋艦、駆逐艦と戦っても一方的な負けにはならないんでしょうね
아닐수도있음 여긴 게임인데 실제에서는 미국의 전투기의 몇대맞고 침몰함 하지만
순양함은 거의 비슷비슷함 그리고 현대에 들어서 멀리있는 군함을 맞힐수있는 미사일이 있음
그냥 전함사정거리 밖에서 미사일을 쏘면 아무리 큰 전함이라도 빠른 미사일을 요격 할수없음.
@@user-dc8xg3lh5e 駆逐の火力じゃ直撃させても止められないってのが現実や(戦後の核実験で一回は核兵器にすら耐えていたからねえ)
と言っても射程と命中精度に雲泥の差があるしなぁ.......
何より撃沈せずとも「無力化」まで持ってけば、あとは演習の的状態ですしねぇ。
순양마일을단 구축함도 야마모토를 쳄몰시킬수 있음
戦艦が現代艦に損傷を与える手段が存在しない以上、｢良くて引き分け｣って時点で一方的に負けてると思うんですが
ミサイルもトップアタックならもう少し被害が増えるのでしょうか？
爆薬量100kg程度ではトップアタックをしても大して効果は変わらないです（破片が深部まで届かない為）副砲や対空砲が巻き込めるという点では有効ですね。本格的な対艦ミサイルが無い分、爆薬200kg以上の誘導爆弾で上部構造物（主砲や煙突）避けて狙えればもうちょっと被害増やせたかもですが500kg以上でやっと満足に対抗できるといった感じですね。
Weird, I just read the WT Wiki for the Fritz X, even that didn't say the weapon was rocket boosted.
Imagine if battleships is still relevant to this day.. with missile launchers and Ciws
would be a big ass target for modern cruise /anti ship missile with bunker buster configuration, something like taurus KEPD (trust me it will plow through their deck armor), we shall learn something from sinking of Moskva cruiser...
@@IndoLiberation not really it would be a valuable asset like carriers it will have escorts.. when I say relevant meaning it has modern weaponry attack and defence capability.. and replace those main guns with rail guns.
@@adeptusastartes1392 rail guns don’t work.
@@adeptusastartes1392 As lightly armoured as ships are today, we wouldnt' need such big guns or even build them that big. We could just do Nuclear Pocket Battleships.
Here's an idea for a ship.
Displacement- 30,000 Tons
Dimensions: Length- 240 Meters, Beam- 28 Meters, Draft- 9 Meters
Crew- 2,000
Armament
-Six 12-inch Guns on two Triple Turrets
-Eight 5-inch Guns on Single Turrets
-2 RUR-5 Anti-Submarine Rocket Launcher Turrets
-4 Phalanx CIWS Cannons
-4 SeaRAM Missile Launchers
-1 Mk41 Vertical Launch Missile System (Tomahawk Missiles)
-20 Dual M2 Browning Machine Guns
Armour: Belt- 12 Inches, Deck- 6 Inches, Barbette/Turrets- 12 Inches, Bridge- 10 Inches
Propulsion- 4 Propellors, 2 Rudders
Speed- 32 Knots
These guided bombs are difficult to defend against
Just think one plane can carry 24 and 12 planes in attack group that's alot of bombs to defend against
前例がイタリア戦艦ローマですね。
フリッツXで大戦末期に沈んでます。
英国製の金剛は、他の国産戦艦よりも鉄の硬さが違ったらしい。
工作用ドリルの歯がなかなか通らなかったとか。
How come Italian ships get to do it instead of U.S.S. Zumwalt?
Good question
@@ita_spartan_lover8458 do you think the Americans will give one of their Zumwalts to Ukraine to fight the Russians?
金剛級でこれなら長門級や大和級ならどうなるだろう❓
In my Navy days late 80s my ship : Perry class Frigate was under way with the Missouri, between Long Beach and Pearl. The battle group was doing computer simulations of our ship attacking a battleship. According to the simulation we scored a lucky hit on the Missouri with a Harpoon missile causing minimal damage to the Missouri. The Missouri turned its 16 inch main battery towards us and flashed a message to our signal man advising: your dead. If we went to war against the Communist Russian Navy, they wouldn't have stood a chance taking on the Iowa class Battleships.
14inch砲弾だと670kgからヘビーシェルで720kg位
15inch砲弾なら800kg〜880kg位だし
意外と耐えるんだな....
まぁ戦艦だからねw これくらいでやられちゃ戦艦同士の打ち合いもできないだろうし
戦艦が簡単に沈むか！
@@LXXXII_ausf.A アイオワ級は異星人の謎兵器に耐えたからね
The Russians designed nuclear torpedoes because of the Iowa class battleship. Virtually nothing else in their inventory could significantly hurt an Iowa. Even today, most anti warship weapons would be ineffective against the heavy armor of a battleship. Yes, weapons exist that can kill a battleship, but we would have to redevelop them.
In reality. Just 1 antiahip cruise missiles from no where and game over including all thick armored plating. Its a lol unreal video
どうしても戦闘不能にしたければミサイルで艦橋を狙えば簡単に戦闘不能になって降伏すると思う。前時代型の戦艦ならば砲台全てを壊すか沈没まで持っていく必要があるが近代的な戦艦は一箇所に指揮系統をまとめる以上そこを潰されるとほとんど何も出来ない。
True but if I’m not mistaken, battleships of that era had an auxiliary command center where they would send shots somewhere within the hull, I’m not an expert & I’m certain not all ships had that but I digress
@@kahbronne7834 True in battle they would stear and command the ship from an auxiliary bridge wich was specialy fitted with loads of armor and there was a combat information center (CIC) or action information centre (AIC) wich was located on the main deck and center of ship and under the bridge sandwiched in alot of armor also. So that said modern weapons wouldnt be all that effective on taking out command, best option for a big battle ship like that is to do what they did to the Bismark take out its screws (propelleres) or rudder's or both then it's a sitting duck then you just keep on pummeling it until it's a floating inferno and no matter how hard they fight too take out the fires it will be in vane.USA's motto, hit hard hit fast hit often! Eventually something is gonna give. Most think that flooding is a ships worst problem no its not thats the easiest to overcome it's fires that are a real threat.
TBF these aren't ASMs from the aircraft. We haven't seen those yet.
恐ろしいのがこれまだ実験台が老朽艦の金剛って事だよね、大和とかになったらどうかるんだろ
戦闘機ってあんなに翼が震えるもんですか？
ミグ27だから？
このゲームの仕様上過剰に揺れてる感じはしますね
Why do I get ace combat vibes from this video
現代のイージス艦のような艦船は一発当たれば戦闘不能になるからこれで充分なんだろう
Next time with the Soviet SS-N-19 try to launch from 150 km
やはり大和魂の前にミサイルなど無意味。
The programmers need to work on the weapon launch physics/graphics a bit methinks.
思いきって、ランカスターからグランドスラムを投下してみるのも良いかも鴨😁
Very nice content, but it would be better if the video have English in them (in terms of weapon's specs)
Thank you for your thoughts! I'll try to add English subtitles next time.
Two MOABs and 4 2000 lb JDAMS would no doubt sink it.
Most Japanese battleships before WWII were just built up in a way to circumvent the naval treaty sign after WWI.
When I fire my Fritz-X at any kind of battleship, I aim for the aft citadel since the armor at a back of a battleship seems to be less effective.
I need 1-2 bombs to kill any kind of battleship with a Fritz-X except I fuck up and miss my point I was aiming for.
PE-8の5t爆弾なら...
I ❤ The IJN Kongo Class (Battle cruises)
yeah modern ships arent anywhere near as armored as even older cruisers were..... modern ships rely on not being seen or interception systems and manueverability.