As a fellow operator of 30 years my heart goes out to the family. Its unfortunate and could have been prevented. Im curious to know if a engineer was involved in the design and a geotech was inspecting it...
@@russvoight1167 you should never have a shear wall 90 to 100 ft tall It's called benching Your bench should never be higher than 30 ft tall per say Was at least 100 ft still As they do in any typical mining Any other questions let me know please
@@jimallen5850 When "should never" meets "that costs too much" this is the result. Profitability is far more important to owners and shareholders than than cost of doing business, which is just peoples lives.
As a professional dump truck driver I've made thousands of trips into hundreds of different quarries and have never seen anything like this because they're so strictly regulated safety wise this is absolutely horrible and it breaks my heart that they can't get this guy out until the site is made safe can't even imagine how his family and those who witnessed it as well as the first responders are going through mentally praying for everyone involved 🙏😥❤️
It’s always sad when someone passes but it’s extra sad when it happens at work when you are out trying to provide for your family my condolences to his loved ones💐💐💐
Pretty good news coverage except for the big parts left out. The permit grantees and overseers should be scrutinized. How is it you see it necessary to point out the excavation company has past violations and you do not emphasize they were legally performing this work. Please make the public aware of how many construction workers die a year to make the roads work, the water get to your faucets, the waste to go away, the lights to turn on, the products to get to you. Let the public know the Fire & Police brotherhood’s do a very good job at protecting themselves and loved ones afterwards, but put the number of construction deaths out to understand and hopefully truly appreciate what is being done out there in industry to make your world go around. We hardly ever see engineers held accountable. Occasionally but rarely they get fired, yet they get to go home. This guy didn’t get to go home, yet there is all sorts of mandated oversight that says rely on them to approve work. Yeah they come in afterwards and say you shouldn’t have done that, levy fines and pat themselves on the back and they go home too. How about you stop by and work with us and suggest helpful prevention if you know everything, instead of peering over to catch and fine people making mistakes. How about the fines levied going to the loved ones. Wouldn’t that make the point?
@@Snowman379-g9y Unfortunately no cage would have saved that mans life but safety costs money and America puts profit above all else so avoidable accidents will continue to happen.
@@wheressteve I filled whistleblower before and both the corporate and government where falling me around. Very creepy situation. This was a clean water act problem . I don’t want to end up on a milk carton so I just left the country.
Yep…we always hear what “heros” cops and firefighters are, and how dangerous their jobs are, yet very little is ever said about the numbers of construction workers, miners, loggers etc who are killed every year. Cops love to say they “put their lives on the line every day!”, but those of us who work in the listed industries know who is REALLY at risk at work every day!
There's absolutely no way someone would have survived that 😢 I've driven my dump truck into hundreds of different quarries just like this one thousands of times and as a former advanced first responder given the size of those boulders that cab was crushed instantly some of those boulders weigh upwards of 7 tons or more nothing could withstand that impact 😢😢
@@writerconsidered yes it is. You are so correct. In over a 30+ year career, I have seen some crazy $#!t happen even following the strictest MSHA rules. We are literally moving earth, and it can be very unpredictable and unforgiving!
The individual human cost of modernization and progress are often forgotten when building civilizations.. Think workers on the Pyramid, Great Wall or any of the "wonders" of the world. Same thing happened then, same people complained about 'safety', same people died. We benefit.
Unfortunately this was probably just going to be an overpriced row of condos. I wouldn’t have minded dying for something magnificent like the pyramids.
@@Jay-is2jy yeah the news crew was kind of fouled up. This was a mining operation, the material being mined Was being transported and used for a retaining wall.
I don't know if it was preventable, but there are definitely things that need to be considered in how you dig in a quarry. They probably are supposed to monitor for cracks (which might show up days or weeks before the failure) and they also are supposed to consider how the rock is being supported and not remove too much from certain areas. Maybe all that was done here and it still happened but that's not made clear in the report.
@@sbreheny it’s a rock cut. Not really doing much digging. it is a very dangerous operation. You basically drive on the top with a drill rig, drill into the rock, set your explosives in the holes and blast. Then you pick up the pieces below. You pile the pieces which are called Shot rock into appropriate piles based on size. The pieces that won’t be sold as shot rock will be sent through a crusher to produce gravel and crush stone of Various sizes. This is where the risk happens, when you’re working below, picking up the pieces. There is no question there is cracking in that face after your blast. It’s also very dangerous when you go back up and start drilling again. Unfortunately, it’s a risk that is just part of life. It’s no different when you’re traveling on a highway you see a vertical wall of rock on the shoulder. Sometimes you might see a warning sign saying fallen rock zone. This is how the highway is built, just like a rock cut operation in a quarry. At any time those rocks can collapse onto the highway, and they do. Just a few years ago this happened 60 miles from me in Lake George, New York. It killed several people traveling on the Adirondack Northway. The next time you travel a highway with rock close to the road, take a look at the face, and you will see grooves running vertically. These grooves are actually what’s left of the holes that were drilled for the explosives.
@@blusnuby2 unfortunately not as well as many people think. My operators on construction sites get paid a lot more than operators at material suppliers in quarries such as this situation. Not saying safety should be overlooked either type of site, or that it’s the operators choice to do this work. I’m just dispelling a myth that a lot of people have. These guys in the quarry make about half of what the guys using the material make on the job site.
@@howlandexcavating Thank You for enlightening me on this. I actually thought it was 'the other way around.' At any rate, these heavy equipment operators earn more than $20 hourly/minimum wage, hey ? Work Safely !
@@blusnuby2 The local Quarry where I am located pays around $18hr - $21hr. Our state ( New York) min. Wage is $15hr. Construction operators in my area make $30 - $35 depending on the earthmoving machine. Crane operators make more.
OSHA doesn’t regulate this industry. However MSHA does, and they are usually very strict. Typically higher standards than OSHA if the same operation was performed outside of a mine or quarry on a construction project. I have dealt with both agencies in my 30+ years in the excavation business. This kind of thing usually doesn’t have the opportunity to happen when the regulating agency is MSHA Such as this situation. It is quite surprising actually.
My heart-felt condolences to the family and friends of the lost.
A 90' wall is ridiculous, these require cable netting and soil nailing, totally preventable with proper engineering.
As a fellow operator of 30 years my heart goes out to the family. Its unfortunate and could have been prevented. Im curious to know if a engineer was involved in the design and a geotech was inspecting it...
Safety culture comes straight from the top.
Preventable😢
How do you know
@@russvoight1167 you should never have a shear wall 90 to 100 ft tall
It's called benching
Your bench should never be higher than 30 ft tall per say
Was at least 100 ft still
As they do in any typical mining
Any other questions let me know please
Thanks for that information, I see your point@@jimallen5850
@@jimallen5850
When "should never" meets "that costs too much" this is the result. Profitability is far more important to owners and shareholders than than cost of doing business, which is just peoples lives.
@@russvoight1167how don't you know
As a professional dump truck driver I've made thousands of trips into hundreds of different quarries and have never seen anything like this because they're so strictly regulated safety wise this is absolutely horrible and it breaks my heart that they can't get this guy out until the site is made safe can't even imagine how his family and those who witnessed it as well as the first responders are going through mentally praying for everyone involved 🙏😥❤️
Me too but we don't know what's going on way back in the new cuts
It’s always sad when someone passes but it’s extra sad when it happens at work when you are out trying to provide for your family my condolences to his loved ones💐💐💐
Pretty good news coverage except for the big parts left out. The permit grantees and overseers should be scrutinized. How is it you see it necessary to point out the excavation company has past violations and you do not emphasize they were legally performing this work. Please make the public aware of how many construction workers die a year to make the roads work, the water get to your faucets, the waste to go away, the lights to turn on, the products to get to you. Let the public know the Fire & Police brotherhood’s do a very good job at protecting themselves and loved ones afterwards, but put the number of construction deaths out to understand and hopefully truly appreciate what is being done out there in industry to make your world go around. We hardly ever see engineers held accountable. Occasionally but rarely they get fired, yet they get to go home. This guy didn’t get to go home, yet there is all sorts of mandated oversight that says rely on them to approve work. Yeah they come in afterwards and say you shouldn’t have done that, levy fines and pat themselves on the back and they go home too. How about you stop by and work with us and suggest helpful prevention if you know everything, instead of peering over to catch and fine people making mistakes. How about the fines levied going to the loved ones. Wouldn’t that make the point?
Probable is that the company and employees don’t care. It’s a culture trend in America.
Plus the cage safety laws are not like Canada or Europe
@@Snowman379-g9y
Unfortunately no cage would have saved that mans life but safety costs money and America puts profit above all else so avoidable accidents will continue to happen.
@@wheressteve I filled whistleblower before and both the corporate and government where falling me around. Very creepy situation. This was a clean water act problem . I don’t want to end up on a milk carton so I just left the country.
Buy a news network and get busy! Mister know-it-all
Yep…we always hear what “heros” cops and firefighters are, and how dangerous their jobs are, yet very little is ever said about the numbers of construction workers, miners, loggers etc who are killed every year. Cops love to say they “put their lives on the line every day!”, but those of us who work in the listed industries know who is REALLY at risk at work every day!
What if he wasn't deceased??? That's a hell of an assumption.
They probably were able to insert an instrument which allowed them to see him or listen for breathing.
There's absolutely no way someone would have survived that 😢 I've driven my dump truck into hundreds of different quarries just like this one thousands of times and as a former advanced first responder given the size of those boulders that cab was crushed instantly some of those boulders weigh upwards of 7 tons or more nothing could withstand that impact 😢😢
Ohh man. Nothing worst then a Man getting killed at work. So tragic ! may his Family and friends find Peace. 😞😞
Condolences, hope the company is offering everything,
4’ BENCHCUT’s
FAQ’D up mang.
All their sites are shutdown.
Sad 😢
Stupid! Guaranteed!
RIP HEARTS OUT TO THE PERSON AND THEIR FAMILY.( JUST TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING!! ) ❤
Nobody should have been working near that high wall like that totally against osha rules.
Site supervisor needs arrested!
😢😢😢😢,it’s a dangerous work
Not if you are intelligent, mature and responsible.
@@JB91710 Those are attributes that can mitigate danger but that doesn't make it safe. Its still dangerous work.
@@writerconsidered yes it is. You are so correct. In over a 30+ year career, I have seen some crazy $#!t happen even following the strictest MSHA rules. We are literally moving earth, and it can be very unpredictable and unforgiving!
The individual human cost of modernization and progress are often forgotten when building civilizations.. Think workers on the Pyramid, Great Wall or any of the "wonders" of the world. Same thing happened then, same people complained about 'safety', same people died. We benefit.
The "Great Pyramid"? "Same people, same safety complaints"? Lmfao what!?
Unfortunately this was probably just going to be an overpriced row of condos. I wouldn’t have minded dying for something magnificent like the pyramids.
How was this preventable?
The rock face cracked unexpectedly and fell over.
They said they were building a retaining wall and it collapsed?
@@Jay-is2jy yeah the news crew was kind of fouled up. This was a mining operation, the material being mined Was being transported and used for a retaining wall.
I don't know if it was preventable, but there are definitely things that need to be considered in how you dig in a quarry. They probably are supposed to monitor for cracks (which might show up days or weeks before the failure) and they also are supposed to consider how the rock is being supported and not remove too much from certain areas. Maybe all that was done here and it still happened but that's not made clear in the report.
@@sbreheny it’s a rock cut. Not really doing much digging. it is a very dangerous operation. You basically drive on the top with a drill rig, drill into the rock, set your explosives in the holes and blast. Then you pick up the pieces below. You pile the pieces which are called Shot rock into appropriate piles based on size. The pieces that won’t be sold as shot rock will be sent through a crusher to produce gravel and crush stone of Various sizes. This is where the risk happens, when you’re working below, picking up the pieces. There is no question there is cracking in that face after your blast. It’s also very dangerous when you go back up and start drilling again.
Unfortunately, it’s a risk that is just part of life. It’s no different when you’re traveling on a highway you see a vertical wall of rock on the shoulder. Sometimes you might see a warning sign saying fallen rock zone. This is how the highway is built, just like a rock cut operation in a quarry. At any time those rocks can collapse onto the highway, and they do. Just a few years ago this happened 60 miles from me in Lake George, New York. It killed several people traveling on the Adirondack Northway. The next time you travel a highway with rock close to the road, take a look at the face, and you will see grooves running vertically. These grooves are actually what’s left of the holes that were drilled for the explosives.
Another company who puts profits before staff safety.
This company is done for. Multiple violations before…now a death happened.
RIP and condolences.
Lets hope they don't try and find a way to avoid paying the family
90' without any benching or slope is asking for trouble
RIP 🙏
Who would have saw that coming. Looking at that shelf they made would fall?🤔
He probably didn't have his hardhat on that day.
Mr Slate can we leave early today? Yaba daba do lets go bowling bonnie
Thats the big news?? All work has been halted? No sh$t.
Who digs at the bottom of a cliff
How does someone that does this for a living NOT see what’s going to happen
It`s a dangerous world; these fellas get paid well for their daily risks.....
@@blusnuby2 unfortunately not as well as many people think. My operators on construction sites get paid a lot more than operators at material suppliers in quarries such as this situation. Not saying safety should be overlooked either type of site, or that it’s the operators choice to do this work. I’m just dispelling a myth that a lot of people have. These guys in the quarry make about half of what the guys using the material make on the job site.
@@howlandexcavating Thank You for enlightening me on this. I actually thought it was 'the other way around.' At any rate, these heavy equipment operators earn more than $20 hourly/minimum wage, hey ? Work Safely !
@@blusnuby2 The local Quarry where I am located pays around $18hr - $21hr. Our state ( New York) min. Wage is $15hr. Construction operators in my area make $30 - $35 depending on the earthmoving machine. Crane operators make more.
You can see all you want doesn't mean you can't get out of your seat in time and run
OSHA has entered the chat.
Terrible news 😢
Well there ya have it a company that works unsafe
Not yet identified, you know what that means.
Yeah, means they haven't officially identified the person
Where the hell is OSHA for once?
Yea! They had multiple violations before !!!!!!
OSHA doesn’t regulate this industry. However MSHA does, and they are usually very strict. Typically higher standards than OSHA if the same operation was performed outside of a mine or quarry on a construction project. I have dealt with both agencies in my 30+ years in the excavation business. This kind of thing usually doesn’t have the opportunity to happen when the regulating agency is MSHA Such as this situation. It is quite surprising actually.
Sad
Things are going to go downhill at times 😢😢😢
Another sacrifice
This was preventable which means someone's responsible.
thAt been A CAt excAvAtoR? Steel.? but...
Wow
Msha violation
Yeah dude bud. Mutha nature is wins again
No way they could know that he was already was dead there is always a chance
Dont bother calling OSHA. They do nothing. How many workplace deaths in this small state?
it come MSHA mine safety
Massachusetts has seven million people. Not so small. Almost ten times the population of Alaska.
Brutal
🕊️💔✝️🕊️. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
😮
I bet nobody else was there....
U smart enough to run a #cat u should be smart enough to run a 45° not st8 up and down...duh
A 6 year old can run a cat. It doesn’t take much more than physical coordination.
No way I would have worked on a job site like that.
@@JimsEquipmentShed Sure pops😂
@@Oldschoolrules123sad because it’s true?
@@JimsEquipmentShed Sure 😂😂😂😂
@@JimsEquipmentShed RIGHT 😂😂😂😂
Imigrant ?
early in shift too…… damn…… the worst.
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